Cobra LIVE! w/ Brian Posehn & Rhett Miller (HDTGM Matinee)

29 Jul 2025 · 50 min · 16 chapters

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This episode of HDTGM Matinee is a live discussion of the 1986 action film Cobra, framed as “How Did This Get Made.” Hosts and guests roast the movie’s Dirty Harry ripoff structure, incoherent dialogue, and recurring “food through-line” (Cobra obsessing over what others eat; pizza cut with utensils; cheese/cake talk; ketchup-on-fries gag). They highlight the film’s “new world order” villain gang, the Night Slasher/Night Stalker premise (police think it’s one killer, but it’s a gang), and the gaunt “Schwarzenegger” antagonist who taunts “pretty hair.” Notable examples include the supermarket hostage sequence, a four-minute robot/wig modeling shoot music-video break, and the axe gang’s incompetent attacks.

Key claims

the movie is loaded with product placement (Pepsi, Toys R Us), has a loose book adaptation with author-name removal, and features a “fingerprint computer” scene that’s nonsensical.

Guests

Brian Posehn (comedian/actor) and Rhett Miller (musician, frontman of Old 97’s).

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Chapters

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Cobra Movie Overview

0:24 to 0:57

Discussion about the movie Cobra and its similarities to Dirty Harry.

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Cobra Movie Overview

2:57 to 4:25

Discussion about the movie Cobra and its similarities to Dirty Harry.

“Man, I haven't seen this movie since I was a kid, and I forgot.”

Cobra's Food Obsession

4:25 to 6:04

Analyzing Cobra's peculiar relationship with food throughout the film.

“And he is obsessed with what every other character eats.”

Cobra's Cop Tactics

6:04 to 8:48

Examining Cobra's methods and the police department's responses.

“I feel like it's like, look at this thing over here.”

Cobra's Hostage Situation

8:48 to 10:34

Discussion about the supermarket scene and Cobra's actions during it.

“He has like a composite done of what does the guy look like.”

Cobra's One-Liners and Dialogue

10:34 to 14:00

Critique of the film's dialogue, one-liners, and character interactions.

“This guy in the supermarket has killed children, people at point-blank range, and they can't get into the supermarket.”

Exploring Cobra's Plot Twists

14:00 to 18:06

Unpacking the bizarre elements and plot inconsistencies of the movie Cobra.

“I don't think he knows when he's saying a line.”

Exploring Cobra's Plot Twists

18:13 to 19:45

Unpacking the bizarre elements and plot inconsistencies of the movie Cobra.

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Cobra's Quirky Characters and Product Placement

20:24 to 28:01

Discussing character quirks and blatant product placements in Cobra.

“Could anybody else figure out the time frame of this movie?”

Cobra's Outrageous Antics

28:01 to 37:38

Discussion on the absurd portrayal of characters and their actions in the movie 'Cobra'.

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Cobra's Outrageous Antics

37:42 to 39:00

Discussion on the absurd portrayal of characters and their actions in the movie 'Cobra'.

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Police Station Shenanigans

40:00 to 42:00

Analysis of the ridiculousness surrounding police procedures depicted in 'Cobra'.

“One shot for each other is like, bang, bang, bang.”

Cobra Movie Discussion: Characters and Lines

42:00 to 48:28

Exploration of memorable characters and their outrageous lines in 'Cobra'.

“Like, that's how he's convincing her to sleep with him.”

Box Office Performance and Cultural Impact

48:28 to 52:20

Discussion about the box office performance of 'Cobra' and its cultural references.

“When gone Arnold Schwarzenegger kills the janitor to take his uniform, why does he also take the janitor's glasses?”

Viewer Questions and Movie Analysis

52:20 to 55:56

Engagement with audience questions and further analysis of the film's absurdities.

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Viewer Questions and Movie Analysis

56:39 to 57:05

Engagement with audience questions and further analysis of the film's absurdities.

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1:40Jason Mantzoukas:Imagine Dirty Harry, but more violent and with robots. We saw Cobra, so you know what that means. Now it's time for How Did This Get Made. We're gonna have a good time, celebrate some failure, not just be a hater. Cause you know you wonder, how did this get made? Let's follow in the mediocrity of subpar art. Perhaps we'll find the answer to the question, how did this get made? Hello, people of Earth and hello, people of Seattle. We are live at Bumbershoot, and you guys are in for a treat. We have an amazing, we have two guests today, two special guests, plus my two amazing co-hosts. Please welcome June Diane Raphael and Jason Manzoukas.

2:33Jason Mantzoukas:Also welcome our first special guest. You know this guy, amazingly funny guy, Brian Posehn.

2:48Jason Mantzoukas:And our second amazing guest, a musical genius. Please welcome Rhett Miller. Have a seat. There we go. All right. Here we are. Cobra. All right. Man, I haven't seen this movie since I was a kid, and I forgot. I feel like today watching it, I was like, this is really just a ripoff of Dirty Harry in many respects, right? I mean, because it's like he's chasing a killer, a serial killer, but he's just way more badass. Well, he's just like, he doesn't, it's all the setup of Dirty Harry. Like, I don't like your tactics. You're too much, blah, blah, blah. But instead of fighting one serial killer, he's fighting an insane army of maniacs.

3:35Which makes no sense. And it's Dirty Harry without the wit. Yeah. Somebody will say, just even in that trailer moment of, you've got an attitude problem, just a little bit. Really? That's the best you have? They didn't hire any punch-up guys? No, they did. Try this. Nope, I'm sticking with it. I'm going to go with just a little bit. It's not that strong. I think we can come up with something better. Fuck it. Just a little bit. What about all his hilarious banter with his partner over eating sugary food? I mean, really funny stuff. Oh, yeah. You should eat chicken and rice. I've actually come to the conclusion that Cobra has an eating disorder in this movie.

4:21The way he cut that pizza was nuts, right?

4:24Jason Mantzoukas:Yeah, he cuts a pizza with a fork and knife. Yeah, but he's so... That's the only thing he sees. Scissors. He cuts him with scissors. And he is obsessed with what every other character eats. And we've only seen him eat one, not even a whole slice of pizza, but a bite of it. Yes, we watched him eat an apple. I think that's what Stallone was going through at that moment. Like, he was really obsessed with food. And so they were like, well, we don't have any dialogue for this scene. He's like, let's talk about food. Well, there's a scene... I'll make fun of the food that guy's eating. And they'll tell him he should eat better like me.

4:59there's a scene when Brigitte Nielsen is in the hospital she has been assaulted and the whole plot all of the plot pieces fall out and they know what's going to happen next and at the end of the scene inexplicably Stallone picks up the food off of her food tray and starts trying to offer cheese to his partner and his partner wants cake and he's like come on you gotta eat the cheese it's healthy by the way cheese is not healthy no So in 1986, though, they thought it was.

5:28Jason Mantzoukas:My favorite moment with food was they're in this diner. He's protecting Brigitte Nielsen. And they have this prop hamburger sitting on a shelf. And it's big. It's very large. And he carries it over. Hey, you want this hamburger? It was a big fit for a big family. And then he puts it back. It was sort of like a prop work that he would do. I was obsessed with that scene because, well, my question to everybody is, do you think that when he got on set, he saw that prop hamburger and thought, I want to do a bit with this? I've got an idea for something. That wasn't written in the script. I feel like it's like, look at this thing over here.

6:08What if I come back and pick this up and I come back and blah, blah, muggy burger. I'm kind of doing a food through line, so this will work perfect with my whole running food theme thing. But isn't that what makes... It starts in a grocery store where there's a lot of food. that's where they make food, right? By the way, though, in that scene, he's drinking a beer. Yes, next to a Pepsi sign. Pepsi is all over this movie, by the way. Pepsi definitely sponsored Cobra. It's warm. It's just sitting out. He grabs it. It's not a cold beer. It's refreshing. Well, they show an entire Toys R Us commercial.

6:42They show a whole commercial. As he's sitting there cleaning his gun.

6:47Jason Mantzoukas:To me, I thought, I was like, why is Toys R Us and Pepsi going, we need to get into the R-rated Sylvester Stallone market. Like, we need to get some... Toys R Us, we need to get that out there. Well, Toys R Us then did carry a line of Cobra guns, I'm sure. I'm sure there was with laser sights. This was like a movie that was built on, well, there's a laser sight on the gun, as if people were like, I've never seen that! What is happening? This is amazing! First of all, Cobra is a man of a lot of different sides, obviously. We've already explored some of it, the food. I do want to show the opening of the movie.

7:27Jason Mantzoukas:This just kind of sets the tone for the world in which Cobra lives in here. In America. What's that? Is that a Cobra? Every 11 seconds. An armed robbery. Every 65 seconds. A violent crime every 25 seconds. A murder every 24 minutes. This is a dick. And 250 rapes a day. And then the movie starts. Here's the weird thing, though, about the way that character's set up. He's set up as this cop who's really just like this renegade cop who won't follow the rules and goes off on his own. We never see him do anything that's that unreasonable. No. And not only that, he's doing legitimate police work where the rest of the police department is acting like dildos.

8:28They literally keep contending that there is a single serial killer. Meanwhile, dozens of people keep attacking both Brigitte Nielsen and Stallone. They don't want to acknowledge it. It's easier to catch one than an army. But his tactics are completely reasonable. He looks through photographs. He talks to people on the street. He has like a composite done of what does the guy look like. I have no problem with that. But he's the zombie squad.

8:59Jason Mantzoukas:He's part of the zombie squad, which they never thoroughly explain what the zombie squad is. Well, they thought this was going to do well enough for there to be a zombie squad sequel where you meet all the other zombie squad guys. But it didn't do well enough. Because, yeah, the zombie squad just seems to be like the people who get shit done. It's just him and the other dude. It's just him and the dude that likes cheese. Yeah. And the other guy, his partner, can't be more unlike Cobra. That guy just is like, you know what I want? Gummy bears. Like, literally, that's a line in the movie. That's a line in the movie.

9:35That's a line. I looked it up. That guy played a partner. Gummy bears had just come over to America then, so that was like a new thing.

9:41Jason Mantzoukas:He was in a Dirty Harry movie, Gonzalez. And he had the same name. Same name in the Dirty Harry movies. He potentially transferred down from San Francisco. Wait, the character had the same name? Are you saying he's like Munch? He's like he plays the same cop in everything? Whenever there is a cop who's going against regulations, he is their partner. He's got to transfer all across the country. And he just shrugs a lot and eats gummy bears. I guess Cobra's going to do what Cobra's going to do. But there is a... I like my gummies. I guess the question I would ask the other lieutenants and stuff in that police department is, after the hostage situation at the supermarket, Cobra kills the guy who's holding these people hostage.

10:23He's already killed one person in the supermarket. And they really rip him a new one after that about how he did it.

10:31Jason Mantzoukas:Meanwhile, this guy is killed. What would you have him do? This guy in the supermarket has killed children, people at point-blank range, and they can't get into the supermarket. He goes in there and he kills them. They're like, oh, how dare you? How dare you? Can we talk about before he kills anybody, he kills a lot of groceries? Yes! He doesn't even shoot people until like 10 minutes in because first he's like blowing up produce and then he sees some sodas he's mad at. And then he tells what? He's like the guy in The Jerk. He hates those cans. The one time he shoots it at a shopping cart, and it explodes like there was C4 in it.

11:16Jason Mantzoukas:There was. That's because there was. They do sell C4 at that supermarket. I've been there. I do. That's why Cobra, what does he once say? Yeah, he goes, I don't shop here. Oh, yeah, I had this clip. This is Cobra taunting the villain, and then, spoiler alert, killing him. Here we go.

11:37Hey, dirtbag. You're a lousy shot. I don't like lousy shots. You wasted a kid for nothing. Now I think it's time to waste you.

11:55Here he goes.

12:01Come on, man. I got a bomb here. I'll kill her. I'll blow this whole place up. Go ahead. I don't shock her.

12:18Hey, just relax, amigo. You want to talk? We'll talk. I'm a sucker for good conversation. I don't want to talk to you. Now you bring in the television cameras in here now. Come on, bring it in. Can't do that. Why? I don't deal with psychos. I put them away. I ain't no psycho, man. I'm a hero. You're looking at a fucking hunter. I'm a hero of the new world. You're a disease. And I'm the cure. Die. Hey. Drop it.

13:05Jason Mantzoukas:I just want to point out that in between saying drop it and shooting there's no time

13:15well also doesn't the dialogue feel like it was written by five different people yes it was like that game where you write a line then I'll write a line because it doesn't fucking connect it's almost as if they're like well we need a one liner here everybody write a one liner and then it was like, ooh, I love all of these. It doesn't make sense together, though. Why don't we just run them through? Just run them through. We'll pick one. Oh, wait, we'll pick them all? Okay, good, great.

13:42Jason Mantzoukas:And he doesn't say them with too much, like, everyone has heard that, like, you're a disease and I'm the cure. He doesn't even say it with too much panache. He's just kind of like, you're a disease. I'm the cure. And I'm the cure. It's sort of like he's not even doing the I'll be back. He's just like, yeah, I'm just saying this. I don't think he knows when he's saying a line. I just throw out my catchphrases with nothing behind them. I don't care. Stick around. Stick around. So curious about this gang because they say over and over that they're preparing for the new world. Yes. For the new world.

14:21We see them underground in some sort of warehouse space all doing a group exercise together. Where they're clanking. It's a music video. Axes and sled jammers. It's a music video. Literally, they clank. And there's only like 16 of them, so how are they really going to take over the world with 16 people with axes? This, to me, is one of those 80s things like, oh, wait, there are secret killer gangs out there, right, guys? Just like the Russians. They're all the same. There's something about that to me. When I was a kid, it was clowns. like clowns rode around in vans and would abduct kids with candy.

14:58Did anybody else have the clowns? Wait, no. What is that? Where did you grow up? What's happening? Wait, hang on. I'm having one of those moments where... There was John Wayne Gacy, but that's one guy. I'm having one of those moments where I feel like something I assumed we all shared. Oh, Jason. It's unique to me. You may have just seen

15:16Jason Mantzoukas:Stephen King's It on TV and mistaked it for a... No, no, no. Guys, we were all abducted by clowns. You guys all thought the mushroom people were going to kill us, right? You guys all were afraid of the mushroom people. I gotta ask you, Jason, when you say you were scared of being abducted by clowns, do you mean like killers in clown costumes? Correct. Okay, alright, so not just like crazy clowns. No, no, no, not real clowns, guys. John Wayne Gacy? Like, that? Yeah, that's what I asked. Yeah, that's about it. That's one dude. Yeah. Because people would be like, oh, I heard the clowns were around after school yesterday.

15:45The clowns. This is a real thing. You guys are fucking assholes. You know what? You know what you guys could be doing? supporting me. You know what you're not doing? You're against me. You're against me now.

16:01Jason Mantzoukas:Basically the entire movie, the plot of it is that Brigitte Nelson looked at, like caught a fleeting glance of one of these killers. One in the army of killers and then they decide that they must kill her at all costs. Even though she doesn't really know what he looks like and the police drawing is not even that good. They don't know that. I mean, they draw so much more attention to themselves by trying to get her. Yes, in order to not be revealed. The thing is, they are committing all of these acts of murder. They are called the Night Stalker, the Night Slasher. Yes. Right? But the police think it's a single person.

16:36They're actually a gang. And because she's seen them, they're like, we have to kill her. But then they out themselves as an army of people in pursuit of killing her, which is exactly against what they want. Oh, guys. Well, I think, I have a theory that that main killer guy, who, by the way, is super creepy. He's really creepy. Oh, yeah. I think he was in love with Brigitte Nielsen. First of all, why would he walk towards her car so that she could see his face with no mask on and the way he looked at her and then when he goes in to murder her, what does he say? He says, pretty hair. That was upsetting.

17:08That was really upsetting. That's what I used to say to girls to get them to not talk to me. Just to establish how creepy you were, you would start with pretty hair.

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20:34She's driving by the underpass. She sees them murdering someone, right? Yes. She keeps driving. Right. She goes and then does her modeling shoot. There's a day in between. There is? Yes. I thought it was the same night. Because he said, tell me what happened tonight. And she said, when did you see them around 10 o 'clock? Then she goes and does a whole modeling shoot. Then they find out where she is in the meanwhile, attack her. Then he saves. It's like four days of activities appears to happen in 90 minutes.

21:01Jason Mantzoukas:Yes. From 7 to 10. You know, you might be right. Because, yeah, they don't go to the daylight again for a long time. Do you have that modeling shoot? Yes, I do. Oh, my God. Get ready. This is part of the music video modeling shoot. So Stallone and his partner from the zombie squad are out investigating. Brigitte is doing a model shoot. And this is kind of what happens for four minutes. I cut it down a little bit, so enjoy. And I dare you to not jerk off during this. Can I? Watch the wigs. These wigs are great. Robots.

21:51Hey, you have tattoos here? Combs is here. Yeah, we're looking for a tattoo. Oh, you got more tattoos up there, huh? She has nine outfit changes.

22:07Jason Mantzoukas:So this is four minutes of this month. Hey, do they have tattoos here? Hey! What do you know about the Night Slasher? By the way, it looks like he is just beating, I mean, he just beats up that bartender for no reason. Just grabs him. That's Cobra for you. Hey, I don't like visors. It was Angel of the City by Robert Tepper. A great song. but I've never seen a movie or at least an action movie take a four minute break for a music video there's a lot of plot he knows the streets that's the thing that's been set up because he's on the zombie squad he knows the streets his name is Cobretti by the way Marion Cobretti which the interesting thing about this was his name originally was Axel Cobretti and this was Beverly Hills Cop but it became so expensive that he just took all of his ideas for Beverly Hills Cop and then made this movie instead.

23:07Yeah, Beverly Hills Cop was written originally for Sylvester Stallone. That's true. And they added all the comedy in after when he left and Eddie Murphy came on. Yeah. And then there's another crazy fact. I think it would have been just as funny with Stallone. This is the better comedy.

23:24Jason Mantzoukas:I would have liked to see Sylvester Stallone play all those characters that Eddie Murphy does. Hey, is that a banana in your tooth? fuck. That is a banana in your tailpipe. Victor Maitland gave me herpes. Do you think the photos for this photo shoot were for, like, a magazine or... Yeah. A hundred percent. They're for, like, Robot Monthly or Robot Digest. Robots and food were big in 1989. And there's a beat at the end of the photo shoot where it's empty and just the robots are there and it goes, and the robot lights up and I thought for a second, dude, this is going to be like a robot movie. They come alive and stuff.

24:05I thought the same thing.

24:06Jason Mantzoukas:They shut down the whole thing and the robot is alive. I do want to bring up one interesting point. The actual, I guess, movie of Cobra is based on a book and the book's author after Sylvester Stallone wrote this film, which he did write he asked the author to take his name off the book and re-release the book with his name as the author of the book. What? Yes. That's hubris. But you didn't write the book. Yeah, but I wrote the movie, so no. People are going to know the movie, so I should write the book too. By the transitive property of mathematics, I've now written your book.

24:48Jason Mantzoukas:He asked the author to take his name off the book. Not even shared credit for the book. Off it. I'm also going to fuck your wife. I'm you. I'm you now. I live life as you. I've got to live in your house. You never existed. Is that okay? They were married at this point, I guess, Brigitte and Sylvester Stallone. They were together as a couple. I don't even want a picture. And she would carry him around in a backpack. He's like, she's enormous and he's miniature. Yeah, she carried him around like Luke and Yoda on Dagobah. He's listed as 5 '10", but then they say, oh, he can't be above 5 '7". But I stood next to him once.

25:38I'm saying 5 '2". Really? I'm going to say Stallone is 5 '2".

25:42Jason Mantzoukas:He's also another guy who's probably always on Apple boxes because he did not look like he was short next to her. He's always standing on a... It's like the Hobbit. It's all forced perspective. there's a great one of my favorite bits in this movie is when he is doing good police work and he has her describe gaunt arnold schwarzenegger they do the world's worst composite sketch of him to be like oh that's the bad guy right and then he's like i want to take this i'm gonna go to my apartment and look through my files he goes to his apartment with the sketch right and he has the most crude rudimentary computer and he's holding the sketch in one hand and he's beeping through, and what he's going through is fingerprints.

26:30Nope. Not it.

26:33Jason Mantzoukas:He's comparing fingerprints to a face. The two things I want to point out here too is he goes to his apartment to look at fingerprint books like, that's what the police station is for. I got my own shit. I got my own file back at the house. I don't got the right scissors to cut my pizza at the police station. Now if I can just intuit this dude's fingerprints, I'll know who he is. It's mental. By the way, the composite sketch, and this is a deep reference, looks like the guy from Justice League of America cartoon, the big Native American guy who could grow really tall. It is not a good... Apache Chief?

27:13Yes. He looks like Apache Chief?

27:15Jason Mantzoukas:It looks like Apache Chief. Also, you know, Stallone, not only do you see Pepsi prominently in that scene at the supermarket, but you see it prominently because apparently his house shares a balcony where there is a giant neon Pepsi sign on his balcony. Like an enormous Pepsi billboard, basically. On his, not like off the front. It's like he has a patio and one of the walls of the patio is a giant Pepsi sign. Well, there's also outside of his apartment, there's always one car parked outside with a gang of Hispanic people who are packed in the car. I was about to say clown car. Uh-oh. Don't bring back memories for Jason.

27:56Jason Mantzoukas:Bad memories. Uh-oh. They had candies, guys. The clowns would pull up and they would offer you candy in a van. All right? This shit is real. There's always about seven people in broad daylight on, Well, it looks like a nice day packed into that car every time he pulls up. And they're parked in such a way that he can't get his car into his spot. So they have a little... I'll show it to you here. Well, I don't even have to beat around the bush. This is exactly what happens. Great news. This is not an offensive portrayal of Hispanics. So that's good. JK, it's a horrible portrayal of Hispanics. Here we go.

28:46Jason Mantzoukas:By the way, his car looks like that Tucker. Oh, there. I'll skip it. He's pretty cavalier with his car here.

29:04It really isn't nice of him. Yeah. He's being a T. Kind of an aggressive move. Yeah.

29:13Jason Mantzoukas:What's your problem, Cece? You touched my car, man.

29:20Get up for your health, you know? What is, pinche? Yeah, it's all. Yeah, it's all. Me.

29:31Jason Mantzoukas:Clean up your ass. What? Clean up. He's wearing a wire, right? Is he wearing a wire? He's wearing a wire. I watched this ten times. That's his mic. That's his love. Oh, wait, I gotta do that. But it does look like he's wearing a wire. Wait, that's his mic for being an actor? Yeah, right there. You can see it. I was like, he just outed an undercover cop. That's a godless. No. That is a wire. That looks like a wire. It looks like the tape over the front of it. It absolutely is mic, and the sound guys went, hey, I think the mic, and then they went, it's a good take. We're just going to leave it. So this wasn't planned at all.

30:14That's the only take tub we got, so that's what we're using. It's definitely not a necklace. What I love is their badass Vantos, and they're listening to Gloria Estefan, which has never fucking happened, ever.

30:31Jason Mantzoukas:By the way, though, it doesn't, like, that makes you not want to like Cobra. These guys are just parked in a space. They're not even parked badly in a space. They're just parked. Who knows the situation that created it that he can't get his car perfectly parallel parked. It's fine. He goes there and rams them. This isn't a part of his police work. He may be an asshole, but again as a part of the zombie squad, which my tax dollars are paying for, I don't mind the work he's doing. And I don't have a problem with it. So you think he's an asshole in real life but he's a great cop. Yeah. But again, again, his dialogue doesn't matter because he says that's not good for you.

31:13It's not good for your health. That's not good for your health and the guy goes, what? And he goes, me. Wait. That's not good for your health. Well, he ripped a joint out of his mouth. Yeah, no, I know that. Oh, does he mean the cigarette or whatever? But then him connecting it to me. He's saying, that's not good for your health and the guy goes, what's not good for my health? Me. Maybe he was really looking at... If you wrote that on the page, somebody would go, that doesn't make any sense. Here's the thing. He wrote it on the page.

31:46Jason Mantzoukas:But I believe, I firmly, firmly believe, because I saw Expendables 2 just a little while ago. Oh God, me too. Don't you think that there are just jokes that they think are funny on set? Absolutely. There's so much of that shit in that movie. The dialogue doesn't make any fucking sense at all. Well, like Dolph Lundgren's like writing down some of that piece of paper, like, hey, what's that? It's a quantum... He's like, it's like the theory of relativity, but better. Then he blows his nose in it. And everyone's like, ah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! What's hilarious about that is the idea that Dolph Lundgren can write adorable.

32:21He might have been looking at his own reflection in the other guy's eyeballs.

32:24Jason Mantzoukas:I do feel like it's all just Stallone just being like, that's funny, right? I'll do that. I'll do that. I'm going to tell him to clean up his act and I'll rip his shirt, but I'm not going to tell anyone so he can hide his mic. If at this point anybody's wondering if Stallone takes the sunglasses off, he really doesn't. Because that's what you want when you're watching an actor in close-up, is to be looking at mirrored lenses, not their eyes. And he barely takes off the leather gloves either. I swear to God, this was so modeled after the George Michael Faith video. And at one point, they're driving in the car and she goes, how do you know we're going to make it there?

32:58And he goes, you gotta have faith. Yeah, that happens. Oh my god, I didn't even catch that. That happens. Are you sure George Michael wasn't modeled after this?

33:12Jason Mantzoukas:The one thing that I think is so interesting in this movie too is every chase sequence traverses so much space. Like, they start a chase in downtown that ends in Venice and it only happens in like five minutes. Oh, they go from like cityscape to the docks. Yeah. And it's like as if they're like, they turn a corner, they're in a very densely populated area, and they're just in like empty, desolate desert. They might as well go, it might as well be the cannonball run in sections where they go across state lines. It's so crazy. Hey, we're at Mount Rushmore. Oh, hey, we're over here now. Space Needle, hey.

33:51Jason Mantzoukas:The Alamo. No one will notice. Just fucking nerds. The final fight scene also traverses a bunch of... It starts off in a small town, then it continues into an orange orchard, and then goes into a steel factory, which none of it... It's not like an orange pressing plant. It's like a steel factory. Everything in that factory is not making orange juice. That's all I know. It's like smelting metal. I want lava. I want there to be lava around. It'd be cool if there was fire and lava. Oh, man. It's so, so... Oh, the other thing I loved is the guy, the killer, Gaunt Schwarzenegger. She's in the hospital.

34:40Brigitte Nielsen's in the hospital. So he goes in to kill her. But instead of going and killing her, he just decides to kill, like, ten people along the way. New world order. He delays himself for so long just to allow Sylvester Stallone to find out he's in the hospital, drive across town to rescue her.

34:57Jason Mantzoukas:It's so easy for him to kill her. Just go in, go to the room, be done with it. But he is so excited to kill because even when he steals the janitor's uniform, he's in the elevator where the woman's like, you can't be in this elevator. Right on the service elevator. He's like, oh, I've got to get my knife out. I'm going to kill her. It's like, no, man, keep it cool. Just do your job. Don't start laying the body count out here. But instead he has to kill the elderly woman and leave a bloody mop in bed with her. Yeah, he puts the mop in there. A bloody mop. He didn't want to carry that around anymore.

35:28Then the nurse comes in, he kills her. He's just like on a kill. He's like, ooh, there's just too much juicy killing to be done before I kill pretty hair. He is, but then the unattractive cop is really bad at killing because she has all these opportunities to just kill everybody because they don't even know she's the killer. Oh, of course. So she could kill Stallone, like, when the movie would be over halfway through. Sure, instead of leaving the gang to arrive in broad daylight. The most inept axe gang ever. They are professional axe murderers, and every time they swing their axe, they hit a pipe.

36:02Yes. Or a wall, or a car door.

36:05Jason Mantzoukas:It just shows you should not be an axe murderer, because you can never figure out where the height is going to be if you're running around. Unless you've really vetted the space before you get to the killing space. Yeah, I do a dry run. This also has those kind of car chases that I become obsessed with because I'm like, in the time it took to have this car chase and all of the action in it, at least 100 pedestrians were murdered due to indiscriminate machine gun shooting and giant multi-car car wreck. Like, there's shit that's happening that is so, they are just oozy spraying bullets around cars and people constantly.

36:47Jason Mantzoukas:It's like bad boys style death toll here. Also, there are accidents. I don't even know how they happen. In the end, when they're having their big chase scene, there's just three cars on the road on fire, but it didn't seem like that was set up before. Was the Axe gang like, oh, let's set up these three cars here, just in case our plan goes horribly bad and we have a big chase that leads us far away from where we were supposed to do the killing. This will be our backup, these three cars on fire. There's no reason for those cars. And after every time the gang has come after him. Like they've been in multiple cars with machine guns after every time his superiors are like, Cobra, what are you doing?

37:25Your tactics are out of control. It's just one guy out there. And he's like, no, I think it's a gang of people. And they're like, that's what you say. But there's no proof. There's a million people to prove it.

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39:03Jason Mantzoukas:I do want to talk about these police, the police station also they go from a scene that starts in the morgue they walk out into a police station and then he walks into a shooting range 10 feet away from the chief of police's office yes, it's all within 15 feet away from each other and they're all clear windows so you can see in, like, who's in the shooting range that'd be the most annoying office like, poof, poof, poof And there was no paperwork. He didn't have to sign in. He walks in, picks up a gun, and starts shooting. It's like an Aaron Sorkin walk and talk is basically what it is. And it's Cobra and his partner and the chief of police and his lackey.

39:45Those two peel off into the chief's office, and Cobra and the other guy go into the shooting range, and in the background is just the chief like... Just watching him shoot.

39:56Jason Mantzoukas:But it's good that he took that practice, because when the gang of 90 axe murderers come, he doesn't miss a single one ever. One shot for each other is like, bang, bang, bang. Never does he miss. He's an amazing shot, Cobra. And they're horrible shots. Yeah, they're horrible shots, and not even good bikers. They're just flying off their bikes. Well, they start, they leave Los Angeles. They're the axe murdering gang. They leave Los Angeles on motorcycles. To take her upstate. Yeah. And that's his idea, right? Yeah, that's Cobra's idea. Yeah, so they're going to get to Cobra and the girl and everything upstate now.

40:33They ride all night wearing masks, wearing crazy ski masks. And that would be the most suspicious thing anybody would see on the road.

40:45Jason Mantzoukas:Oh, a gang of 60 bikers wearing ski masks? Yeah. It seems like the New World Order gang is out there. But you know what? I bet you, though, they probably attacked at night, right? No. I'm sorry. No. They drove during the night, and then they attacked at daytime. Interesting. Oh. They drive all night. Let's wait until they wake up instead of just murdering them in their sleep. It's the craziest sequence. Let's Cobra get some caffeine in him before we go and get him. Let's make sure they can see us very clearly in the broad daylight. I want them to have a nice breakfast before. I also want to give them a chance to bang first, which is what happens.

41:23By the way, no boobies. Does he wear sunglasses when he bangs that horrible monster? He definitely fingers her with leather gloves on. That's for sure. That is for sure. Just to the knuckle. Just to the knuckle. Just to the knuckle? Yeah, yeah. Well, he's wearing those gloves. So she doesn't feel it. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. They're those knuckle-free gloves or whatever they call them. In that scene, in that same scene, they're in like a cabin. Figureless gloves is what they call them, I think. Not knuckle-free.

41:57they're in a cabin and he's like you should get some sleep and she's like trying to sleep at which point he loudly assembles a gun yeah that's my favorite he's like yeah why aren't you sleeping yeah and then he's like you're building a rocket launcher you're fucking making the most noise I've ever heard I

42:19Jason Mantzoukas:speaking of fingering the the model photographer also has a good line when he wants to sleep with her. He's like, come on, come on. Don't do it for me. Do it for your career. Like, that's how he's convincing her to sleep with him. He's like, come on. Like, he has the worst lines to sleep with her. He's like, and he also, at one point, he's like, I don't even want this for me. I want this for you. Because you should be doing bigger layouts or something is what he says. You shouldn't be doing robots and wigs. He says, look, I'd want to be sick not to sleep with you. Can we talk about how I own this?

43:00Oh, yes! Paul, we were trying to figure out what movie I was going to talk about with you guys, and you gave me a list. What was the other two?

43:11Jason Mantzoukas:The other two might have been... Oh, I forget. But I go, right away, I said, oh, Cobra, we have to do Cobra. and then you, Paul very nicely sends me a link, hey, you can check out Cobra on Amazon.com and I photograph myself holding up my copy of the movie and send it back to him minutes later. It was amazing and I was so psyched. Now that I've seen it, I now own it as well and I will revisit it a lot. It is great. You should all buy the shit out of this movie and then Stallone next week is going to be like, we sold like a thousand copies of fucking Cobra. See, I told you. What the fuck? We're going to get a sequel greenlit based on your purchases of this movie.

43:57Jason Mantzoukas:He's been rebooting everything. Cobra Part 2. People are clamoring for this. It's going through the roof on Amazon. Just in Seattle we saw it, so it must be happening in other places. It's hot. Cobra goes to Seattle. This movie cost$25 million to make. How much money do you think it made at the box office? I don't remember if it was a hit or not. $11 million. $25 million to make. It got a 13 % on Rotten Tomatoes. Is there another baby here?

44:32Jason Mantzoukas:What is going on with these babies? Babies like podcasts. Does that baby know I've been saying fuck a lot? That baby really got into the fingering discussion. The baby's going to be like, what's fingering? I'm going to guess 30. 30. Is it the same baby? What? There was a baby at another show? There was a baby yesterday after I talked about vaginal discharge. Well, that is what a baby is, right? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's true. That's true. Yeah. All right. So we heard 11 million. We heard 30 million. Any other guesses? I didn't guess. Take a guess. I don't even know. $25 million was made in 1986.

45:18Jason Mantzoukas:1986. 42. $160 million.

45:26Jason Mantzoukas:$160 million. So it was a big hit. It was a huge hit. Why was there not a Cobra 2? He said that he was going to make one, but he never got around to it. Man,$160 million. We're going to open it up to you guys. If we haven't covered anything that you guys want to hear answered, Any questions about Cobra? Things that you saw? Oh, good. We have a good hand right here. All right. What's your question? Is that a baby? What about where Bridget Nielsen is pouring ketchup on fries for like a minute and a half straight? And he's like, you're going to need a life preserver. And she's like, for what? It's like your fries are drowning.

46:02Another? Well, here's the thing about that, though. That's the only line that makes sense in the entire movie. Yeah. He actually has a payoff to his stupid set up. But that's a weird part of his food arc because it seems like he should be just upset about the fact that she's eating fast food and french fries. But this is a strange detour. He's just upset about the ketchup.

46:29Jason Mantzoukas:But I would argue, Brian, too, that that comment doesn't really work because he goes, you need a life preserver. But then he goes, the french fries are drowning. The french fries would need a life preserver. Well, no, but I meant for the fries is what I was saying. I don't think he understands. No, when I said you, I meant, fuck it. I don't think he understands, like, nouns and pronouns and how they work. I don't think basic sentence structure is a problem for him. Yeah. It's a good one. All right, so what's your question? I haven't seen the movie, but it seems in the trailer like there's a ton of focus on his car.

47:03Jason Mantzoukas:Is there any, like, explanation why he's drawing a matte black 1940s Phantom something? Well, yeah, that car looked like Tucker, a man in his dream, if you remember that car. Nope. What's the license plate say? Awesome 54? Awesome 52. Yeah. It's like an old, like a retiree car. Yeah. And it's got a, in one chase, he's like, buckle up! And she puts on a racing harness. She puts on a, like, six-thinged racing harness, and he has a nitrous booster in the car. Yeah. That's from the others. That's from Tales from the Zombie Squad. It all makes sense. Yeah, what's your question? Now, has anybody read the novel?

47:48Is it possible that all of this makes so much more sense? I mean, this might have been this guy's tale of two cities.

47:54Jason Mantzoukas:I will argue the novel was called Fair Game. It was remade later, I think, with Richard Gere and Cindy Crawford. Oh, yeah. Holy shit. And there's no character named Cobra in it. So I think it's a very loose adaptation of this book. I wrote a book. We're gonna make a movie of it. What's it about? I forget. Wouldn't be cool if I was called Cobra. I want a guy with a car and he hates Hispanics. And he's got a cobra on his gun. We should call him Cobra because of the gun. Even though that's not in the book. When gone Arnold Schwarzenegger kills the janitor to take his uniform, why does he also take the janitor's glasses?

48:38Jason Mantzoukas:Yes. Yeah, he kills someone and puts on the glasses because the uniform's not enough. He needed to... Well, now I'm sort of understanding. Maybe he thought that old woman was Brigitte Nelson. Maybe it was just in prescriptions. The prescription was too strong. He couldn't see through. She did have pretty hair. She did. That's the other thing is, in the final showdown between that guy and Stallone, that guy's going, come on, pig. I want your eyes. Yeah. I want your eyes, pig. And I was like, what? Is this a thing? Is this guy harvesting eyeballs? Is this a thing I missed? I want your eyes. It's set up in the director's cut.

49:20There's a lot of other scenes. Oh, guys, I hope there's a director's cut.

49:24Jason Mantzoukas:The movie is roughly like an hour and like 27 minutes. Roughly. Roughly. It's pretty exact. How many people do you think were killed in this movie? Take a guess. 100. How many? 50. How many? 180. Wow, 180. 52. 52. 52 people. That's a person killed every other minute. That doesn't include, though, pedestrians and passing by. Well, yeah, those are people who weren't counted. Collateral damage is enormous. So obviously we had an opinion about this movie, but now it is time for a second opinion. These are reviews cold from Amazon.com. Five-star reviews. Now, Rhett, I know that you have a... You found one that you wanted to talk about.

50:11Well, I really loved the music in this. I would love to meet the music supervisor that put all this stuff together. It was so bad. I think it was Stallone. He was like, I like these songs. You know the big... The Cobra theme was by John Cafferty and the Beaver Brown Band, which is Eddie and the Cruisers. That's pretty... Oh, really? Yeah, it wasn't Frank, which everybody I'm sure thought, this one review on Amazon.com of the soundtrack was called, the review is titled in quotes, Feel the Heat. And that becomes a catchphrase in the review that he uses always in quotes. So he goes, if this is not the best movie that Stallone has made, then I don't know what is.

50:49Feel the heat. The soundtrack is, if not as good, better than the movie because unlike others, soundtracks, it features all the songs from the movie and basically doesn't waste your time, exclamation mark. Feel the heat. I won't waste anyone's time with listing what songs are on the soundtrack because it may be looked up by one's self. Feel the heat. In summary and in true 80s fashion, this soundtrack is sure to deliver maximum listening pleasure. Feel the heat.

51:18Jason Mantzoukas:What I love about it, it's almost like a professional wrestler wrote that. Feel the heat. The ones that I pulled, this was a good one. Aspiring filmmakers, take heed. Commit Cobra to memory or take up bricklaying.

51:41Jason Mantzoukas:This one, a lot more disturbing, by G.C. Garner. I gave it five stars because you actually feel like you're witnessing horrific acts being perpetrated upon innocent people.

51:59Jason Mantzoukas:All right, that's something people like that, I guess. And this is my favorite one. It's a little bit long, but it is worth it. It's no wonder people who care for rights of criminals more than the rights of victims hate this movie. Imagine that. Here's a cop who not only says openly what he thinks of criminals and civilized judges, but puts his words into action. The human rights, criminal rights, that is. People call this movie fascist. It's their favorite epitaph for anything that's not compatible with their way of thinking. Don't listen to that babble. I'm not sure about the USA these days.

52:42Jason Mantzoukas:But boy, my country could sure use a few Cobras.

52:50Five stars. There was a huge Reagan poster in Cobra's office, too. Did you see that? Yeah, when Gonzalez was in there being... There really was a Reagan poster? Huge Reagan poster. When he's talking to his partner on the phone and he's looking at fingerprints on his computer. He's checking fingerprints with photos. No, Gonzalez goes back to the station and Cobra calls him. So how's it going in the hospital? He's like, well, I'm back at the station. They sent me back here. He's next to this huge picture of Ronald Reagan's face.

53:20Jason Mantzoukas:I love that. I also love that they are guarding Brigitte Nielsen, who they think is going to be attacked. And then a simple phone call just gets that to go away. Hey, don't worry about guarding that girl. I'll just come back to the station. Oh, okay, cool. Yeah, see ya. Just leave her there. We'll let her be? Okay, cool. If Cobra says it, I'm out. Is there anything that we have not talked about that anyone wants to, any final thoughts? There's a wonderful moment at... I do. There's a gorgeous moment of levity when Cobra's outside. They go to some rest stop on their way upstate, and Cobra's outside this stand full of weird little trinkets, and there's a bobblehead.

54:01You know what I'm talking about. There's a bobblehead of... Who is it of? I don't even remember.

54:06Jason Mantzoukas:It's a Philadelphia Phillies baseball player. There's an unbelievable shot of Cobra playing with the bobblehead. It looks like he's trying to figure it out and bobbling his own head with it. Yeah, and then he ends it by saying to the guy, no sale today, sorry. Yeah. You don't have to explain to a clerk when you don't buy something. But I also thought that he spent an obscene amount of time there touching all that stuff but not to buy anything. Sorry I touched all your baubles but I don't like them enough. At the end of the movie, Cobra kills everybody and Brigitte Nielsen is saved and then, of course, there's a time jump and all of the police are there now including the chief, including the weaselly chief's guy who hates Cobra's tactics.

54:59And the chief says, well, Cobra, you did good today. If there's anything the department can do, it's yours. If there's anything we can do to make your work easier, we'll do it. And he gives them this whole speech about how they're going to be behind him, right? And Cobra goes, well, I would like it if you replaced my car because he destroys his car in the movie. And they're like, we can't do that. Yeah. And then they just gloss over it. Didn't have it in the budget. But you just said you would do anything.

55:32Jason Mantzoukas:Not on the budget. Sorry, Cobra. And that's the whole sequel. Him trying to figure out who can fix his car. I would highly recommend seeing this movie. You should seriously all buy it and do what I said. You can buy it on Amazon. It's like six bucks on Amazon. That's a worthy investment. Six dollars. Come on. Put it on your shelf. Enjoy it for the rest of your lives. It's amazing. Thank you guys so much for coming out. Good night.

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Imagine Dirty Harry, but more violent and with robots. Brian Posehn (The Big Bang Theory) and musician Rhett Miller help Paul, Jason, & June cover the 1986 Sylvester Stallone action thriller Cobra. LIVE from Bumbershoot in Seattle, they discuss everything from Stallone’s obsession with food, the modeling shoot music video, and the New Order’s decision to attack in bright daylight. Plus, Jason reveals his childhood fear of killer clowns. Feel the heat! (Originally Released 11/13/2012)

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