Daredevil w/ Ed Brubaker (Classic)

19:05Jason Mantzoukas:H-I-Y-M fans do not strike out against this podcast. We cannot have you guys against us. Guys, we do not want to go to war with H-I-Y-M versus H-D-T-G-M. Oh, H-I. Okay, yes, you're right. It's Himya. Himya. Himya versus Hiddikum. Why does he sleep in that? So he needs a sensory deprivation thing. And this is the coolest thing in the director's cut, actually, is he's getting into it. The first time you see him getting into it, he hears a crime that's too far away for him to get to. And that's the Coolio murder. And he has this vision of the murder happening, like, on the floor. Like, it's crawling towards him as he, like, sinks into the thing.

19:46And it's really creepy.

19:48Jason Mantzoukas:Ooh, so he is, like, that's more interesting. Like, see, that's what you were missing. Well, you would like – I mean, you're never going to love the Daredevil movie other than June. But, like, guys who've ever read the Daredevil comic are never going to love that movie. But the director's cut is closer to what you expect from the movie. It's still got too many stories and too much stuff in it. Well, it seems like a lot to put, like, Kingpin, Bullseye, and Elektra. Those are all giant characters for a first movie where you're not even really growing with the character. And also, did it not seem weird to you that the movie opens and then like within three minutes you're in a flashback that goes the length of the entire movie?

20:28Yes. It's really odd. The last 20 minutes are the only part that's not a flashback. Yeah. And the other thing is in that original, I feel like they were like, you know what? Nobody's going to watch this opening with the dumb church and stick with this stupid movie. So I have a bunch of flash forwards where we see stuff that's going to happen. In that opening scene where you're coming in. It's like, and there'll be little images that are going to be in the movie later. As if to say, don't worry. We know this is opening on a shot of a city. But don't worry, guys. There's going to be fights and bullseyes in this.

21:06It was really crazy. It's horrible.

21:09Jason Mantzoukas:It's a dumb way to be like, we've got to keep them entertained. It's like, you just were 30 seconds into the film. Yeah, they're showing you glimpses of fights from the last 10 minutes of the movie. Now, what was going on with all of the medicine he's taking? Well, he's hurt. I think that was something that they added for the movie because they wanted to make it feel – because he's supposed to just be a real guy like you and I. Yeah. But he's leaping around all night long and, like, getting in fights with people. And, by the way, he's not even leaping at certain times in this movie. He's, like, flying.

21:40Jason Mantzoukas:Yes. Him and Elektra. They have superhero jumps. They're not believable. There's that scene at the end where he's fighting Bullseye, and he leaps 20 feet up into the air. Up into the air, yeah. In the comics, he's usually like, I mean, it's a comic book. He leaps more than you should. But he's got stuff that he's, he is like, propelling him. I feel like they have that scene in Nolan's Batman, too, where he has to recover from the fights that he has. because, and those two. He's like taking like Vicodin. Yeah, he's taking Percocet was one of the more. I love the idea that he was just taking a million.

22:16Why does he chew them like that? I found that upsetting. They always chew pills in movies. It's really, really upsetting. Have you ever taken a dry pill? Never, and just chew it up. Have you ever accidentally bit an aspirin? It's the worst feeling ever.

22:28Jason Mantzoukas:Was that in the director's cut, him chewing an aspirin? Oh, blah, blah. It was chewing on time. Guys, have you ever pulled out your own tooth in the shower? I totally forgot that. What was that? No, okay. Why does he pull his own tooth out? I have had a lot of dental work in the last several years. If you're pulling a molar out, you're going to the dentist the next day. You've got to get another molar put in. That made no sense. He's going to develop TMJ problems. Here's the other thing. If he had been dealing with that, when you have pain like that in your teeth, you can't focus on anything else but that pain until that tooth is out.

23:02Unless you're Daredevil, man. Yeah. He's able to block out tooth pain but not the subway. Yeah. for his entire life.

23:11Jason Mantzoukas:Again, the subway was a shock to him. And I felt like in this movie, the rain was also a shock. He's like, oh, the rain kind of helps me out here. Yeah. He doesn't need the rain. That's what I thought, right? He doesn't need the rain in the comics. Radar sense works. The only time his radar sense doesn't work is if there's nothing to bounce off of. So if he's above the skyscrapers falling from a plane, he would have no idea where he's going. Right. But his radar sense, in the comic books at least, Basically, he has like a 3D picture and he can see. The reason it's an advantage is because he can see what's in the next room.

23:44Jason Mantzoukas:Right. He can kind of see. Otherwise, it would just be like, oh, he can see behind him too, which would be better. I also want to talk about really getting into the meat of the romance here. Oh, yeah. Electra. First of all. I want to just wrap up the one thing about Quesada when he lets Quesada get killed. Yes. And Joey Pants' Ben Yurick shows up. Yeah. And he's like, oh, it's Daredevil. And they're like, how do you know that? That's an urban legend. And then he goes, oh, I don't know. And he flicks his cigarette. And Daredevil has apparently left a gasoline double D in the ground. Which, by the way.

24:15I was like, what the fuck? Is in the comic, right? It is.

24:19Jason Mantzoukas:The way it should be reflected in his glasses is the mirror image. But in his glasses, it's the forward image, which someone just pointed out is a, since it's a digital effect, that's a$10 ,000 mistake. Like somebody did not figure out the right way to put it in his glasses. That just, to me, didn't seem like the Daredevil I know and love. Like, I feel like he's not. He's not that cocky. He's not that cocky. When did he have that chance to, like, yeah. But by the way. Also, if you're going to be Daredevil and let a guy die, that's the time to not sign your work. Yes. Sign your work when you've, like, when you've got the rapist hanging from the thing outside City Hall with a confession.

24:56Like, then you're like, by the way, this is done by Daredevil.

24:58Jason Mantzoukas:Not like not have killed someone in cold blood. It's like, that's when you run away. Now, my eyes definitely glazed over a few times in this movie, and I'm wondering, did they ever draw the parallel of how, which one called, Ben Urich, had he found out it was Matt Murdock? Yeah, the Kevin Smith scene. Yeah, the Kevin Smith scene. Just from that, he's able to figure it? Yeah, because he sees, he meets Matt Murdock, and Matt Murdock is like, hold this for a second. At the ball. Right. Hold this for a second. He looks at it, and he goes, oh, nice color. Nice color. And then he sees it again. I wouldn't know.

25:32Oh, got it. And then he sees it again with Kevin Smith, also a Daredevil writer. Yeah, who I guess wrote the stuff that the imagery was taken from.

25:41Jason Mantzoukas:And Kevin Smith is the reason why Ben Affleck is Daredevil. Apparently recommended him. Oh, interesting. Originally the part was offered to Vin Diesel. Really? Yes. Oh, sorry. No, I'm sorry. I got confused. Wow. Bullseye was. Bullseye. Oh, bullseye. But Matt Damon was one of the people. Oh, Matt Damon. Yes, I had a few Daredevils. I've got to find them now. But yes, well, here it was. Let's see. It was Matt Damon, Ed Norton, and Guy Pearce were all up for Daredevil. And Cuba Gooding Jr. wanted the lead but was never approached. I would have loved a Guy Pearce. I think all of those people would have been just as good as Ben Affleck, except for Vin Diesel, would not have been a good Daredevil.

26:21Jason Mantzoukas:No, Vin Diesel would have been a good one. Having seen him as a lawyer in that other movie, find me guilty. I will say this, though. I don't think that Ben Affleck is bad in this movie. No, I don't think so at all. We're all doing, we all are doing like, I don't think he was that bad at all. We're all doing high-pitched voice. He's an Academy Award winner, Jason. That means we're lying. It means we're afraid of him. He would not, I would not have picked him for my choice, I don't think. But I actually don't think he was. He doesn't ham it up or anything. No, he doesn't ham it up. He plays it pretty straight.

26:56The director's cut he's actually really good in, I think, because there's a lot more of him in it. And apparently that was the original studio cut that everybody was happy with. And I think that's the one that Kevin Feige, who now runs Marvel Studios, was working on this movie in a lower capacity as a producer.

27:13Jason Mantzoukas:Before they realized that superhero movies are the future. Yeah, exactly. And before Kevin got to the point where he could actually be in charge and go, let's not just like, you know, let's follow the comics a little bit more and build our own world. But I read something like Affleck had to wear contact lenses. Yes, so he was actually blind. So he was actually blind in all those scenes, which is kind of amazing. I actually, for one sketch of Human Giant, I wore those milky contacts. Oh, really? Because my eyes were supposed to be burnt out. And it is the most frightening thing ever to put things into your eye.

27:46Jason Mantzoukas:That make you blind. And then you are blind. It is so... Could you see shapes even? You just seem white. It's basically like white. like someone just spray painted over your eyes like you can see you white but nothing else so it is he did a good job I think that must have been what I really connected to because to see a man be so vulnerable like that and to be blind and he's also a superhero to me and maybe other women feel this was like what could be better what could be better because he's also I know he can see certain things but he's not basing his feelings on like women's looks He's very Atticus Finch, too.

28:27He took payment in a wheel of cheese or something.

28:30Jason Mantzoukas:My favorite joke of the whole movie, which is when Foggy and Matt Murdock are in their office, and they're complaining about people paying him in fish and cheese. And Favreau's like, yeah, I'm expecting Lamont from Sanford and Son to come in here. I was like, that's a really funny joke. I don't know. That's totally improv. That had to be, right? That really made me laugh. That sounds exactly like Favreau. And by the way, Favreau, lucky to get two sidekick characters in Marvel films. Oh, yeah. I was wondering, when I realized he was in this, I was wondering, like, oh, is this the beginning of, like, him and Kevin's relationship that then leads to Iron Man?

29:06Yeah, what did he do that got him Iron Man? Jumanji 2. Jumanji 2. Yeah, that guy.

29:12Jason Mantzoukas:Zasrustra or whatever. Zathura. Zathura, yeah. Oh, yeah, that thing. Yeah. Because before that, his last movie was Elf. Yeah. Yeah. But then look at the Captain America movie. It's the Russo brothers you wouldn't have picked. And everything I've seen from that movie looks amazing. It looks badass. I'm jazzed about that. I'm so excited. Well, let's not get off topic. So what I was going to say is, so the director's cut version, apparently, they screened that. And every woman in the audience connected to the romance and wanted more of that. And that's why they cut a half an hour of the movie. and they added in a book.

29:46The director's cut doesn't have like two or three scenes that are in the theatrical. They're all the romance stuff.

29:51Jason Mantzoukas:Well, it makes sense because there's some weird ass shit in there. Like he pretty much meets Elektra. And then the next scene is like, I've always wanted to bring you up here to the roof. It's like, wait, you just met her. You've always wanted to bring her to this roof in Hell's Kitchen. Like there's a couple like weird connections like that. And then for me, I'm not as well versed in Elektra. So you guys can maybe help with this. it seems to me like where are her superpowers coming from because she is a ninja she's trained ninja okay but is she a trained ninja before her father is killed because it seems like then she has like that little montage scene in the comic book she was Matt Murdock's girlfriend in college pre-law okay and her dad was a Greek ambassador who got murdered during like some sort of terrorist standoff that was very similar to the Munich thing where it was like these guys seized the building he was in and he stood up at the wrong moment and got shot and then Elektra leaves and 10 or 15 years later she comes back and she's an assassin who used to be a ninja.

30:57Okay. And that's how she's introduced in the comic as Matt's ex-girlfriend who's now a bad girl. Because she's a villain. Okay. She's a villain. She's a villain for many years. She's a villain and then she goes good because she realizes Daredevil is Matt. Murdoch, who is the one love of her life. And so she starts to become good. And in the comic, she actually dies trying to save Foggy. Oh, really? That's why Bullseye ends up killing her in the comic. That image of Bullseye from killing Foggy. Putting the side through her. In the director's cut, that's actually in the movie. It's in the movie, too.

31:30No, in the director's cut, there's a wide shot. You can see the back of her shirt sticking out. Because they were trying to get a PG-13. Yeah, they were trying to get a PG-13. because that's like a very violence is much more intentional

31:42Jason Mantzoukas:but that's a weird thing it's like you're taking images from a lot of disparate things and go oh we'll recreate that image but it's out of context in the world of the theatrical cut so we're just to believe that she has these skills doesn't she mention when they're walking on the street that her dad sent her to a different sensei every year she's had kung fu training where'd you learn to fight like that and she goes my dad something something and he makes me train with a different sensei every year since I was five. Each one just hangs a bag of sand. Didn't you guys love all of her? I mean, that had to be her doing all of that.

32:17Wake me up inside. She was amazing. Open up your eyes.

32:20Jason Mantzoukas:All the emo bullshit music. Yeah, she was already kick ass. But here's my issue with that character, and it's a big, big flaw, which is, and again, maybe I missed it. I don't think I did. I don't think you did. Bullseye clearly Bullseye clearly kills her father Yeah And then she is blaming Matt Like she's like She's shooting Or daredevil I don't think she saw I don't think she saw How did she not see it They're all in the street I know but it's very clear She's on the ground She's on the ground She sees it go over her head But she didn't She didn't notice That there was another guy He throws the throwing stars As he's standing On the motorcycle Which for some reason Yes Can still steer Yes I could spend an hour talking about just Bullseye.

33:03Yes. And the insanity that was this character. The peanut on the plane or the pecan? What is that? Yes, that was crazy. Also, how do you kill someone with one nut? Was it a nut allergy? She chokes on it. You can't choke on something that small.

33:17Jason Mantzoukas:It hit her so hard in the back of her throat. That's what I imagined. She just died of shock. He's a real jokester. Oh, I kind of liked his performance. I thought it was so insane. It was like hiring Orson Welles to play Bruce. I felt like he was so overdoing it. I felt like he was like, I'm a cartoon. Yeah. Like, you know, it's like, he's like, oh, yeah, this is a cartoon movie. I'm a cartoon. He has a move, which he does throughout the movie, that I feel like he went up to the director beforehand. And he was like, hey, you know what I figured out? The thing on my head, I'm going to treat it like a nipple.

33:50So I'm going to, like, touch it. I'm going to touch it, like, ooh, yeah. He multiple times fingers the bullseye on his head and is excited. That and the sound effect they put in for when he puts his jacket on, there's like a rattlesnake sound. I was like, what the fuck is going on? He might have a rattlesnake in there that he throws accurately. I would love that. That would be amazing. Now, how does he get that bullseye imprint in the comic books? Or is it ever? That was for the movie, actually. In the comic book, he wore a costume that had a bullseye right there. Oh, okay. And then when the movie came out, actually, my friend Brian Bendis was writing the comic at the time.

34:28And to try to make Bullseye match the character from the movie more, he had a scene where Daredevil beats the crap out of him and then takes a rock and carves the Bullseye into his forehead. Oh, really? Which I thought was really badass at the time.

34:40Jason Mantzoukas:I don't mind that scar on his head. I thought that was a cool look. That's pretty cool because you can't have a lot of people in costumes running around in a movie, especially when you've got like – Yeah. Daredevil's costume looked, you know – Somewhat real. Less ridiculous than you'd expect. It was just red leather and it just was like a cowl, but not – And Elektra is never in a costume. Like she never wears the signature kind of red kind of Elektra costume. Yeah, she doesn't have her headgear or anything. And Michael Clarke Duncan is dressed like Kingpin who – Yeah, basically looks exactly like Kingpin.

35:11Jason Mantzoukas:By the way, best performance. Great. Michael, when he gets his knees kicked out in the final fight scene, that scream, I want that image just frozen for life. Is it a gif or a jif? A gif. Make a gif of that for Paul, please. Just his knees being broken and that scream, that monster scream. But he's an intimidator. I liked it when he went mano a mano with Daredevil. Yeah. But again, that's always a great fight. Why is he the one who kills Matt Murdock's dad? That's like that first Keaton Batman movie where it turns out the Joker. It's like, no, the Joker didn't make Batman. Yeah, you don't have to tie it.

35:54Jason Mantzoukas:Everything has to be a loose end that you tie together. They made a bunch of Batman references in this. It felt like Batman with a boner. Daredevil is Marvel's Batman. He's Marvel's kind of human vigilante kind of character, morally ambiguous. It's street level. Yes. Swings around. But here they like they kill his dad out in the back alleyway, just like that happened. Just like. But I feel like it went down more like the alleyway shooting of the parents. Then there are a bunch of bats that fly out of the church organ. I was like, what the fuck is going? This is weird. Enjoy the sunshine with sales on grill ready favorites from Whole Foods Market.

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37:26Jason Mantzoukas:guesswork to run your business with smart business buying innovative ai tools optimize your purchasing experience paired with delivery options built for business empower your team today learn more at AmazonBusiness.com. How bad must you feel? If you're Ben Affleck and you've got this good script and then all of a sudden this is what it's becoming. Because the director's cut is better, right? The director's cut is a better movie. It's still a bit of a mess. It still opens with him starting to talk to a priest and then cuts to – in fact, the flashback is an extra 20 minutes longer. Yeah. Because it literally – it's only when after Elektra gets killed and Matt drops into that church that it comes back to where the movie began.

38:08And I remember the first time I was watching the movie, I literally called my wife and I'm like, look at this. This is an hour and 15 minutes into a 90-minute movie. And the flashback that started at the beginning of the movie just ended. And she was like, really?

38:23Jason Mantzoukas:That's impossible. Well, I kept on waiting for the main narrative to kick in too. Yeah. And that was it. And I was like, okay, now I know. Now we're going to start. Now I know. And it's like, oh, there's only 20 minutes to go. Okay, well, I guess this is it. Okay, what the hell happens in that opening bar scene? What is he doing to that guy when he's sticking something? Paperclips. Paperclips. Yeah, paperclips. Paperclips at the guy's throat? Yes. Does that kill him? Yes. Yes. I guess a lot of acupuncture. I thought it was just acupuncture. It was like he's just passing out. No, he kills him. He definitely kills him.

38:54But there's no blood or anything. Bullseye repeatedly does what I would consider to be amateur magic tricks. Yes. Like he shows the guy a paperclip, then he puts his hand in front of it, pulls his hand away, and the paperclip is unfolded. Yes. And everybody's looking at him like, what the fuck is this about? And then he like flicks the paperclip at the guy and it goes into his throat.

39:13Jason Mantzoukas:But he has also 20 of them. Then he has 20 more undone, unfastened paperclips. Don't let him into your office. He's a big stealer of office supplies. Again, there are certain versions of this comic that I have read. And again, Daredevil is not, does he do that with every, like is he, can he? Bullseye is deadly with anything in his hand. Okay, anything. What's weird is though. He kills someone with a pencil. He did do the thing where he rubber band, paper clipped a fly that was bugging him. Okay, so, all right. So he, anything, anything is a weapon for him. He could kill you with a peanut. Yes.

39:43Got it, okay. But what's weird is he throws a card at one point, which is a gambit move.

39:48Jason Mantzoukas:Yes, I thought that was so bizarre. I thought that was really weird. Pre-gambit. Oh, is it? He's used cards pre-Frank Miller even. Oh, wow. The throwing cards, yeah, it was like, I guess whoever created Bullseye, I think it was Marv Wolfman, the guy who created Blade. I think when he was doing Daredevil, he created Bullseye. Okay. And I think he's thrown cards the entire time because he must have known of Ricky Jay. Got it. Because I was like, I saw that and I was like, that's a gambit move. Bullseye has become Ricky Jay. That's how he retired. He uses his cover to travel the world to kill people.

40:23He just rigged it with bangs.

40:27Jason Mantzoukas:But yeah, I'm just looking through some of my notes. I wrote down that this movie feels like a shitty video game version of a good movie. It just feels like I'm watching weird cut scenes. The sex scene? Do we want to talk about the playground fight dance scene? A scene that took four days to shoot. Really? Four 12-hour days were committed to that sequence, which looks like garbage. Garbage. Like you said. Let's just check through it. Let's walk through it. All the fight scenes look a little bit slower than they should be. Oh, very slow. That's why they didn't just speed it up in the edit. That's what I thought, too.

41:04There's a scene where Electra's shooting at him after she thinks he killed her dad for some reason. And she picks up that gun and just starts blam, blam, blam. And he's running away and very slowly leaping up a wall. And I was like, that's the slowest parkour I've ever seen. And if he was moving that slowly, you would 100 % shoot him. Yeah, she couldn't have missed. By the way, she's a ninja. She's a ninja. But not a gun ninja. Okay, yes. If she had thrown a knife at him, she probably would have hit him. I'd buy that. All right. That's a good one. They have the dance scene. The dance scene. They have a meet cute where they meet in a bar, in a coffee shop rather.

41:44and he follows her out and she's like, why are you following me? Wait, but he senses her before she walks in, remember? And Foggy is like, she's hideous. Yeah. And he's like, that good, huh? And then he stalks her. Yeah, he really does. Like a real grosser. Stalking. He asks her her name and she won't give it to him so he goes after her. But Jude has now made me know that if I were ever single, which I will never be again, thank God, I could just totally do that and that's totally fine. Only if you're blind. Well, here's, what if I'm fake blinding like Ben Affleck was. What if I just have contacts?

42:16Jason Mantzoukas:Just put in those things. But then I'm going to have to commit to that for an entire relationship. That would be terrible. Somebody, our clip puller who does a great job, she actually cut, they really want to emphasize the blind thing and she actually put together a compilation of how many times they reference his blind hair. They reference it a lot. Yeah, have a listen to this. They say your whole life flashes before your eyes when you die. And it's true. Even for a blind man, What I saw, I'll never forget. Because it would be the last thing I'd ever see. I had lost my sight, but I got something back in return.

42:52Oh, my God.

42:52Jason Mantzoukas:That was all in the first two minutes. They just are always referencing, and then when he meets her, we can play that coffee shop scene. Again, they really hit it home. It's like, this is a blind guy. This is not the Ben Affleck. I'm sorry. Excuse me. Sure. I was just looking for some honey. Did you help me out? Right in front of you. Dick. Well, could you be a little bit more specific? What are you? Blind? Oh! That's how they fall in love. By the way, have you ever said, what are you, blind to somebody? Yeah, never. That is just like. She's kind of rude. Like, there's another scene when at the ball, at the big ball, she shows up or he walks up to her and she does look amazing.

43:39But she says to him, I really wish you could see me tonight. Well, he can. That's mean. I know you look great and stuff. But he's already seen her in the rain, and does she know that? Does she understand that the rain explains the whole concept of his sonar to her? So all she needs to do is turn on the sprinklers.

43:57Jason Mantzoukas:Yeah. By the way, if I was Daredevil, I would just move to Seattle because then you get to see all the beautiful women all the time. How does he see people in the rain? It doesn't make any sense. In the comic, he just sees shapes. Yeah. Right. He sees the person inside. Let me throw this out at you. See, it's even more beautiful. I love that June loved it. I know. It's amazing. I was not expecting that at all. I also recognize the story problem and all of that, but I enjoyed it quite a bit. But it's so true that at the heart of it was a love story. If Elektra hadn't been involved, would you have liked that movie?

44:30Yeah. That's what I think. I don't think you would like the director's cut because the director's cut is way more. Or it's just about being a superhero and the troubles of doing it, kind of.

44:41Jason Mantzoukas:So they're talking about a reboot, and these are some interesting names been attached to it. Jason Statham has expressed interest in playing Daredevil. Yeah. Vin Diesel wants to play Kingpin. Yeah. And so someone had pointed out that maybe we should get the guys that directed The Crank, The Command, and get Nicolas Cage to be another villain. That's a movie. Oh, I would fucking love Nicolas Cage. Kevin Feige has confirmed that the rights are now back to Marvel, so they can do this. This is, I think, a movie that could be really cool. I think it's a great character, though. Do people not like this character?

45:14Oh, no, people are just like a beloved character. And he couldn't figure out how to get it going at Fox, I think. A friend of mine was attached to direct it like a couple years ago, and it was just a situation of, you know, too many notes, too many different ideas. It's such a simple movie.

45:31Jason Mantzoukas:It could be done like the Batman movies and it would be just as effective and really cool. It would be really easy. You do Born Again and then you end Born Again. Oh, yeah. But you do like a different ending where you throw him in prison. And you do that, the reveal story. Yeah. And then the next one is like Daredevil in prison, which was like my first storyline. Yeah, that's how you got him out of prison. Daredevil was like Daredevil's in prison with all the bad guys. That's never been done before. That would be an amazing movie too. That would be a really great street level, you know, because Kingpin's in there and Bullseye's in there.

46:00and throw the Punisher in, which Marvel owns the Punisher again.

46:03Jason Mantzoukas:People love Arkham Asylum and all that kind of stuff. It's like, you know, that would be a cool movie. Is there, what happened to Daredevil after his father died? Like, where did he go? I know he was training, but like. They trained together, it seemed like. Yeah, and they trained, training montage, by the way, where he's sitting and reading, and his dad's just boxing on the roof. But somehow Matt also learns, like, that whole wire food. Like, he's sliding down. I'm sorry, like, just because you have radar sense, why are you a perfect, like, ballerina all of a sudden? No. I could not walk on, like, a bar.

46:37And if I knew where everything was. He just does it, too. He's like, I bet I could slide three stories down a bar. I'm no longer afraid. I'm a child.

46:46Jason Mantzoukas:In the director's cut, do they try to explain that or no? Okay. In the director's cut, that scene stands out even more because everything else, I mean, it's not realistic, but it's grittier. Yeah. And that scene, and the scene where he beats up Tony Soprano's kid. Yeah. With the stick thing. Oh, my God. How can he know those poses? Yeah, he really is posing. Yeah, he's literally, he's like an eight-year-old doing, like, kung fu movie poses. Well, obviously, we had an opinion about this movie, but there are other people who had a slightly better opinion. June was one of them. June is one of them.

47:21Jason Mantzoukas:June is, are we going to read a second opinion from June? This is time for Second Opinions with a brand new theme song. Second Opinions! From top to bottom, crazy movies are fun. They're not your first, but they're gonna be a second. From the depths of Amazon, they come. Second Opinions for everyone. Second Opinions! Did we get more theme songs? Oh, a lot of great ones. Oh, good. I love that theme song. We got new ones. Thank you guys for sending in that theme song. Okay, here's some great ones. I actually pulled a few. This is from Ronald W. Knight. He writes, I love this movie, and so did my ex-wife.

48:05Jason Mantzoukas:She never liked comics, so that's a great recommendation. I wish I had her back. I wish she hadn't left me. Sometimes I watch this movie and cry because I miss my ex-wife. I don't know who I'm going to go see, Guardians of the Galaxy. This is from Dixie Elder. Michael Clark Duncan is strong. Whenever life is walking all over me, I just watch any scene with bullseye and laugh my ass off and get back in the groove. Five stars. Wow. All right. This is these. There's so many great ones here. This one. This is from Marion Wilson. This film's got to be the best action movie I've ever seen. Barring Fast and the Furious Tokyo Drift.

48:48A lot of people come down for Tokyo Drift. Yeah, really? I like Fast Five. Five and six. Five and six. And seven, I'm just assuming. Seven is going to be amazing. Kurt Russell, come on.

49:00Jason Mantzoukas:It's James Wan. Yeah, it's going to be amazing. I especially like Evanescence's Bring Me to Life video. The story is original, and I haven't seen any other films about blind superheroes. Have you? Five stars. Wait, is that the song that's played during the montage? The training montage? Yes. Oh, God, I hate that song. It's so terrible. And then here are just, I got to keep on reading these because they're so good. Jake Edelstein writes, it reminds me that justice is blind in the sense. Oh, my God. In the sense that there's no discrimination against the rich and the poor, the mighty and the lowly.

49:34Jason Mantzoukas:Unfortunately, that's only in the comic book universe. Rob a 7-Eleven and you'll get 15 years in jail. Swindle billions out of investors. Oh, boy. Plea bargain and a slap on the wrist. Wall Street needs a daredevil. Five stars. Amazing. Well, he's a street-level character, so he could just exist. Just move to New York, Jake Edelstein. And then finally, from MaxiCat, he writes, Forget Ben Affleck. That guy's getting married soon. Well, maybe not too soon. Anyway, see this movie to check out the spanking new Hollywood golden boy, Irish heartthrob Colin Farrell. This man is as hot as Chili Wings in Palm Springs.

50:12Jason Mantzoukas:Grind in. Plus he has the acting abilities of a serious, talented actor. That's the best. He has the acting abilities of a seriously talented actor. Oh, my God. Five stars. Holy shit. Is that from IMDb from when the movie was out? From 2003, January 30th, 2003. Why does, at the end of the movie, why does Bullseye get stigmata in the church? Oh, yes. He's shot through the hands and strikes a Christ pose. Yes. I was like, what is this imagery? But they kind of pulled away from it, too. Like, he kind of does it. They basically make him a Christ figure, and then Matt Murdock literally throws him out a window.

50:49But remember, they're doing the fight. After he kills Elektra, he starts fighting bulls. Daredevil bulls, I start fighting. And then there's, like, a police chopper, and there's cops everywhere. So apparently, that sniper was just shooting. It was like a police sniper just shooting at both of them. But shooting just through a wall. He couldn't see through the stained glass window. Yeah, exactly. I don't understand. That was crazy. I'm going to take a shot. Whatever. I don't know if there's anyone in this church. I think I got a shot of something. And Daredevil, his radar scent, sees it coming, and that's how he...

51:21It's so random. You've forgotten those cops are even there. Oh, yeah. No reason. I had to rewind it several times to get to the point where there were cops there even, because I was like, who is this sniper? Is this a kingpin sniper?

51:34Jason Mantzoukas:And why are they... It doesn't matter. Bullseye has backup for the first time in history? And then also, in the theatrical version, the priest relationship is like, Oh, and it's here and it's gone. Because I thought in the beginning, oh, does he sleep in the church in this? Because it seems like he's, yeah. The other thing that I loved was in the church when Bullseye breaks the stained glass window above him and catches pieces of glass. Oh, yes. Like they're plates. Like Chili Lily. Like in a pile. Like Chili Lily catching pancakes. He literally catches stacks of glass and then uses them to like throw and spin.

52:09And I was like, this is so stupid. And this is in the era where they had already made all three Lord of the Rings movies and people knew how to do green screen. Yeah. Where you're reacting to things that aren't there and they're still having him just catch falling plates.

52:24Jason Mantzoukas:Well, there was something really interesting. They said that because Superman did such a good thing, they raised the budget from$50 million. That was the shooting budget. And they pushed it to$80 million for$30 million special effects to enhance the visuals. Which, you know, look, that stained glass window scene really showed that off. Half the – like the early stuff when he's a kid when his dad is – I can't remember. Who plays his dad? I forget his name. Oh, I don't know. I'll find out right now. It's – He's got a name that sounds exactly like another actor. It's David Keith. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, David Keith and Keith David.

52:57I always get confused. So David Keith is doing like a Popeye face. Yeah. Like, eh, Matt, you can't fight with people. But like all those scenes look like they're filmed on green screen to me. Yeah. Like all the hard line around all the characters. Like it almost felt like someone was putting their hand on you and pushing you away from this from the movie. Don't be connected to this. Don't be connected to this. Don't be engaged. I'm going to tell you what this movie is about. And then at some point that just stops and he's like an adult and a lawyer. Yeah.

53:24Jason Mantzoukas:That's why it's like it's so confused. It was like they didn't commit to just doing a Daredevil movie without an origin story. Because in a way I almost feel like I could go without an origin story. You don't need to really know. I think it felt like that's what they were doing. Would you recommend this movie? That's the question. You know, I did not watch the Director's Cut. Maybe I would do that. I don't know. I thought the movie, I mean, maybe it's also like if you're a Daredevil fan, which I very much consider myself one. I was profoundly disappointed when I saw this at the time. And when I watched it again for this, I was like, yeah, this is a bummer.

53:57It's a bummer because it's a missed opportunity more than it is like a terrible movie. Like the fight scenes are kind of boring and kind of slapdash. If they were faster. If they were more successful, I would maybe be into it. But, yeah, it just doesn't work. So I would say no. Ed? I feel like its biggest failing is that it's not engaging. As much as when we're talking about it, it sounds more interesting that it actually plays somehow. And even the director's cut, I found myself glancing away at my computer to look up like, oh, does that like just. It's very slapdash. And I had a hard time. Yeah.

54:32Yeah, and I want to say if you're a Daredevil fan, if you want to see a Daredevil movie, you should look at the director's cut just to see. Yeah. But I'm hoping that there'll be another Daredevil movie now that Marvel has it back. And they hopefully do something with it. But it's still – he does have that costume. And you see in the new movies, they're trying to make him look as little costumed as possible. Yeah. I wonder how they'll pull that off. I'm very curious. June? I guess I would say 100 % yes. I love that. 100 % yes.

55:03Jason Mantzoukas:And I will say that I just feel like nothing is really given that much attention to. And that's the thing that's a bummer. It's like his relationship with Favreau's character, the reporter, Kingpin. It's all pieces are there. Does Ellen Pompeo have a line of dialogue in the movie? He has like one where I think she's requesting to be his plus one. Oh, okay. She has three scenes in the director's cut where she clearly is really into Matt and not into Foggy at all. Oh, okay. So that's it. And, yeah, and, like, she's offering to get Matt coffee, and Foggy's like, I'll take a cup, and she's ignoring him.

55:36So she has, like, interaction there.

55:39Jason Mantzoukas:It feels like an unfinished puzzle on a table. It's like, oh, that looks kind of like if you put that together the right way, it would be cool. But right now it's just a bunch of pieces. Well, I feel like— There are better bad movies to recommend. Well, here's the thing. I think I'm also coming at it as someone who's never heard of this character before. So I'm like, oh, it's really cool. I love this guy. Well, he's awesome. You know, I've never heard of it. What's hard about it, I think, is they're trying to include so many kind of pieces of Daredevil from throughout the years that they wind up.

56:07Well, that's too much in. It was a blender. Yeah, it was too much. They wind up with nothing. And they don't like that.

56:11Jason Mantzoukas:They wind up telling no story by trying to tell all the stories. I think the issue is, partially, is that because Daredevil became Daredevil as a child, they got screwed. Because they didn't do, like, they can't do, like, the Spider-Man, like, young kid version. They got to do the older version, but they got to pay homage to – it's weird. Yeah, because he was like – he had those powers for a good eight years before his dad died or something. He was like 15 or 16 when his dad died in the comics. All right. So, guys, what do we want to plug? Ed, what do you got coming up that you'd like to talk about?

56:42Jason Mantzoukas:Obviously, Captain America is coming up. Oh, the Captain America 2 movie. Yeah. Yeah, that's sort of loosely based on a comic I wrote. Your new book is amazing. Velvet? Oh, thank you. Amazing. Oh, I have not read that. I've got to read that. I would have brought copies, but mine got mailed to my house in Seattle. How dare you? But, yeah, my new comic out, Velvet, which is kind of like a woman spy comic about sort of the what if Moneypenny was framed for the murder of James Bond is sort of the kind of pitch for it. And it's Steve Epting? Steve Epting, the guy who drew Captain America for me, is my artist.

57:17And, yeah, that's out of image. Awesome. And, yeah, just that. and I can't talk about the stupid Hollywood stuff I'm working on. Why? Very exciting. Well, I'll talk about it when we're not recording. God damn it. God damn it. You'll be very excited.

57:31Jason Mantzoukas:What is this coming out? June. When is this coming out? This can come out this week. Oh, so Ask Backwards is out November 8th in theaters. And it's on streaming already. And it's already streaming on iTunes. And Amazon, I think, maybe. Yeah, all VOD pretty much places you can find it. and it's fucking hilarious. I saw it this week. Thank you. Crazy funny. So good. Watch it. Download it. Do it all. And that's it. Jason? League, right? Oh, the league, bro. Bro, the league, bro. Bro, the league. Check out Jason and I in the league, bro. Oh, bro, league, bro. I loved your episode that you and Seth wrote.

58:10Oh, thank you. So funny. That was really funny. Very divisive episode. Lots of love for it. Lots of hate for it. Yeah, my wife leaves the room when the league comes on, So I was like trying to tell her about it. I don't care. That's just too mean.

58:25Jason Mantzoukas:Well, thank you guys for listening. Thank you, Ed. And thanks for having me.