Deadfall LIVE! w/ Chelsea Peretti (HDTGM Matinee)

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21:15Jason Mantzoukas:nick valalonga when i saw his name on the screen i bolted out of bed he also plays one of the workers in the pizza coffee shop place as well wow wowie and Nick Vallelonga, his father, is Tony Lip, the man that Viggo Mortensen played in Green Book. But yeah, so this is a precursor to Green Book. That, you are, wow. Wow, which one's better? Nick Vallelonga also wrote a movie called In the Kingdom of the Blind, The Man with One Eye is King, The Corporate Ladder, Choker. This is all one title? So yeah, this is an interesting look back at where his career started and where it went to and all that sort of stuff.

22:08Jason Mantzoukas:This movie is amazing because it looks aggressively low budget. And I said to June, one of the things that really is really shocking to me, and I couldn't figure out why is this movie so weird, and it's because there's no production design. And I don't mean that visually. I mean it's sound design. It's deadly silent. Yes. And it's unnerving. And you know where it's like most evident? In the sex scene. The sex scene was basically like slow people having sex who didn't turn any music on. It was like real weird. Well, there is something. I felt like there was also a lot of ill-fitting underwear in this movie.

22:56Just like baggy undies. Ooh, say it slower. Baggy undies. I had a very bad reaction to her underwear, his underwear. I feel like I wish it would... I want the underwear to be either very tight or very loose. But it was so... Very loose?

23:22Jason Mantzoukas:I don't want to be very loose. Paul, what's going on with you? No big deal, guys. I wear some very loose underwear. Paul, take your pants off. What's going on? Every other day, you switch it up. Super psychical. I'm just like putting it in there with a spatula. Got to get it pulled through the pants. Paul takes his pants off, and he's got incredible bloomers on. Like so loose and big.

23:49Billowy underwear. They're a parachute. They're made out of a parachute. If you look at Paul, it's just bunched up in his jeans. I will say

23:56Jason Mantzoukas:to put boxers three yards of fabric I have to pull them through the bottom of my pants this is a conversation we get into a lot with our children where I like their underwear to be tighter yeah and I say to June you need to give them a little bit of space for all everything you know doesn't it all need to be contained and I say no

24:25are you afraid that they're gonna get loose I just want it to be I want it to be like protected I mean pajamas you like to put them in

24:35Jason Mantzoukas:like a sausage casing pajamas you know why though that is because if there were ever god forbid a fire they are safer in very form fitting pajamas but guess what it's not gonna be a fire It's going to be an earthquake. Oh, yeah. What, too? They sleep in wrestling singlets, right? Or scuba suits? I don't like, I'm actually concerned about it right now. Paul's purchased both of them pajamas that are loose. If they're running through a burning house, there's much more of a chance of a sleeper. They're going to be a Paw Patrol, just Paw Patrol pajamas running, flappy Paw Patrol pajamas. Well, like made of like fabric-based kerosene, I'm sure.

25:23Jason Mantzoukas:They all say non-flammable. I will say that there is something about seeing a man in boxers in a sex scene. When he goes to grab his junk out, it's like, Ooh, I didn't like it. I didn't like boxers. Just be bare-assed or like you said, wear jockeys or something. We see his hairy ass crack in this movie. And I was like, what is this? Could you? It's like straight down the chute. Yes, I was actually, I commend Coppola for that one. Chris Coppola. It went up, yeah. Yes, Chris Coppola, Nicolas Cage's brother. It went kind of down into his butt crack, and then it like went back like that. It was like, it just almost did it just to be like, in case you're wondering what's doing inside his butt crack, here's a peek.

26:11Let's zoom you in there. Hey, sexy dingleberry alert. Like, this was a wild moment. And she reached into his pants. Oh, you're right. She reached, I remember that shot, because again, it was sort of evocative for me. And she reached in there and grabbed it.

26:30Jason Mantzoukas:She reached in like you would be reaching into some sort of prize chest. Like, what am I going to get? Got to go deeper at the bottom. like as if there were other dicks that you'd pass around. Not gonna grab? Nope, nope, nope. That's the one. That's the one I want. It was like, well, that's what happens inside a billowy underwear. That's why I'm saying keep it tight. Keep it together. Know what you're gonna get. But this movie did definitely have too much boob. I said TMB. I mean, the boob. Too much boob? Too much boob. Beg to differ. But, I mean, that's fine. I just felt like it was, like, gratuitous and not sexy.

27:17Jason Mantzoukas:It was just sort of, like, almost like an art class. What was hard for me was this movie is, and we've not really described what the movie is at all, which I love, by the way. But this is, like, the archetype is a classic film noir. He is a, you know, where the femme fatale seduces the guy into falling into a trap and blah, blah, blah. Like Double Indemnity. Oh. Did you watch it? It's almost, but... One of the greatest movies, 100 greatest movies. Really? Yeah, on the AF5 top list. Wow. You see how I'm here talking, June? June, can I talk to you? No, I saw what happened there. I'm here talking about classic film noir, the archetypes of the form, you know, and he just comes in with some unspooled bullshit.

28:07It's... Honestly, at this point, it's aggressive. Amy, go ahead. Amy, just let... What did you say, Amy? No, no, this isn't that show. I'm sorry, what?

28:14Jason Mantzoukas:Did you just call June Amy? I'm so sorry, guys. I'm so sorry.

28:30And so the archetype dictates that there be a femme fatale to seduce the kind of the guy. And their chemistry is a straight zero. Like there is nothing compelling about their chemistry, even remotely.

28:45Jason Mantzoukas:She seems like a person who has access to a femme fatale's closet, but is not the femme fatale. Yeah, she's playing dress up. Yeah, she's like, ooh, that hat. She's like a woman who like every Halloween is a femme fatale. Well, this whole movie is costumed like, it was like the theme is gangster. like even that guy who comes out at the pool hall with Charlie Sheen who's like wearing like a black undershirt and like with a cell phone on the side it looks like everyone's doing their best I don't have that much at home I think this is gangster yeah yeah it's gangster it's gangster you're gangster the idea that you said and I did not know this that this was directed by Nicolas Cage's brother makes so much sense as to why Nicolas Cage is allowed to do what he's doing Well, Jason, just to kind of put a little bit of a change of your mind here, he came to set in a cage dressed in a wig, albino contacts, and sunglasses because he thought it would add authenticity to the character, and then his brother told him, you could not dress however you want for the part.

29:52Jason Mantzoukas:We have people for that. Wow. But it seems like his brother lost a large part of it. This is what they settled on? This was the scaled back version. This is the version they could agree would be put to film? This is the compromise. I will say, too, to go back to the femme fatale lead actor role, at one point when I was watching, I was like, man, this guy reminds me of the guy from Terminator. And they go, oh, it is the guy from Terminator. Michael Biehn is like, he's in Aliens. He's in so many great movies of this time period. But I love him. I love him in this era. And I love, he's such a great, face for this period of movies that I'm like, oh, I feel like I never got more of Michael Biehn.

30:36I want more Michael Biehn. I did not want more Michael Biehn. I'm all set.

30:40Jason Mantzoukas:Oh, interesting. I mean, I want Michael Biehn in those movies. The original actors were Val Kilmer and Joanna Whaley. Oh, wow. Yeah, they pulled out right before the movie started shooting. So these two were real last minute replacements. Wow. See, pulling out really does offer protection.

31:06Jason Mantzoukas:I know we're jumping around, but since we were talking about the sex scene, can I just play the post-coital scene? Because this is one of the most disturbing revelations of the film, when she asks about the locket. What was she like? The girl on the locket? I barely remember. So why do you carry it then?

31:33It's just kind of a reminder, I guess.

31:36Jason Mantzoukas:Of what?

31:40Things I'm still looking for. Like?

31:47Like I lied to you. It's not an old girlfriend. It's my mother.

32:00Jason Mantzoukas:Not an old girlfriend. It's my mom. In this scene, there is no score. There's not a song. There's nothing that exists in a void. There's no street noise. There's no walla walla. A car honk. Nothing. It's as silent as that void, that black void that they had sex in because they're in a hotel room and then it's just a black void. It's like in Under the Skin where Scarlett Johansson puts everybody. This movie takes place in that liquid. I want to show you that movie, June. I'm scared. I would like to be there to watch June watch that movie. No, but it's so weird that no sound is involved. All right, so the movie starts off.

32:51Jason Mantzoukas:Michael Biehn is in... Sorry, Paul. So what, is there another person in the locket or he just has a locket with just one picture? That's weird. Also, what did happen to his mother? And do men wear lockets? Not to make it heteronormative, but it doesn't seem like. That's so funny. That never even crossed my mind. Like in this complete shit storm of incoherent details. I didn't even think of that. And then he takes it off before sex. Like, hold on. But props it up open so mom can watch him fuck. He's like, I want my mommy to watch us fuck. I didn't know her, so it's not that weird. This gets me off.

33:43Also, I felt like it is strange to have an... There is a sadness to a locket that has two sides and only one side is full. Yes. Maybe she would be the other person. It's like wearing a beef fry-sta-ends, best friends locket and being like, I don't know who has the other half. Absolutely. So he's walking around with a heart-shaped locket around his neck. Yes. Wow. Okay. It's funny to me that he thinks it's more awkward to say it's his mom than to say it's another girl. Yeah. Here. Like, it's better, oh, I'm memorializing my mom, she died. No, he's hiding that by being like, it's a girlfriend that I carry a locket of all the time.

34:27Or, but hear me out, it's also like, it's my mommy that I wear on my heart. It's pretty weird. But if you're, like, trying to get involved with someone, you take that. I mean, they both suck, but you take that. Both are red flags. Yeah, they're huge, huge red flags.

34:42Jason Mantzoukas:I mean, good thing that she doesn't have much of a sensibility because she's dating Nick Cage when we meet her. So I think her bar is set very low. And just to get into Nick Cage in this world, Nick Cage in this movie, wow. I mean... It's kind of like there's not... I think the tough thing about it is just like, what do you say? You know, what do you say? I know what to say. Okay. Phenomenal. No, I feel like his performance feels like, you know when you're shooting something? You guys know. And it's like between takes, you're joking around with the other actors. You're like, see my line like this.

35:25And then he actually did it. I feel like he was like, hey, do you dare me to do this whole movie as Tony Clifton? Yes, I wrote that down. Do you dare me to do this whole movie as Tony Clifton? I will do it. It's half Tony Clifton, half Al Pacino's Scarface. like I don't know what he's up to but I'm obsessed with it it's not in it doesn't belong in this it's from another movie

35:53Jason Mantzoukas:and it's all through clenched teeth I'm going to take you over here let's go it's like it's not also like why does he need a prosthetic nose like there's no reason is there does it come into play in any way I think it came with the glasses is his is his character an insane person? Yes. Well, yes, but it doesn't seem like the world is reacting to him. Like, oh, there's a nut. There's a mentally unstable person in our midst. Like, we have to all be quite cautious. Oh, arguably, if I'm L.A. James Coburn, right? Yes, the twin. the uncle, if I'm Uncle Lou or whatever, the idea that this is your right-hand man means you're bad at being a gangster.

36:50Because he's... He is... He is unwell. He is... Everybody is so subtle, including the monkeys, Mickey Dolenz. Shouts to Mickey Dolenz from the monkeys who's in there. As a pretzel salesman,

37:07Jason Mantzoukas:seemingly this mafia owns a block and everyone that is in the block is part of this weird conman mafia but are they just conning themselves all day? No, they're running numbers. They're taking bets on a neighborhood lottery basically. They're numbers runners or whatever. In what looked to me like the farmer's market on Fairfax. Such a small area. Which was very strange. But they're all doing such a good job of being subtle about the crime they're committing and Nicolas Cage is literally enormous. He's dressed insanely. He's screaming all of his lines. Everything. I mean, if you did not watch the movie, I'm certain there's some compilation of his scenes.

37:51Jason Mantzoukas:Well, I mean, you have to find it. Here's a little taste of Nick in the bar. Here we go. What's your problem, boy? I thought we were settled. We are that, baby. There's nothing to worry about? What the hell you bothering me for? The baby's a little cranky tonight, huh? Yeah, I don't dig looking at your ugly face. Now your partner, he was a cool dude. Cool enough to get that baby to burp up$1 ,500? I didn't pay him jack shit. He told me all I had to do was walk outside with him, shake his head, and I was even. Are you telling me that was his fucking money? Somebody's after your job, boy. I bet he even stole your woman.

38:45I can't get my back! I can't! I can't!

38:51I can't get a look at that! Fuck!

39:02Jason Mantzoukas:I picked that scene. I picked that scene because literally every line is a different voice. Yep. Different voice. That's, let me be clear. That's the only take they could use. However many takes they did, they were like, this is the only one. This is the one that makes the most sense, I guess. Excuse me, Nick, I know we're brothers, but can you not throw water in the face of the extras without telling them? And also don't punch an extra, too, because in a second later, he just punches a guy in the stomach, and I feel like no one was aware of any of that. It is, it is, it is, he's basically in the middle of a noir, like a seedy noir riff, a terrible seedy noir riff.

39:55He's basically doing a Comedia dell 'arte character. he's playing like a clown yeah he's stated like you are in commedia like you're just angry you're just sad he's fully stated the entire movie

40:09Jason Mantzoukas:I mean I love the commitment to it because no one else is doing this it's not like it's so big can you imagine being in a scene with this well that's sort of what I'm saying like I genuinely I don't think he thought this was going to be a good movie. I think he sort of is like, my brother sucks. Like, and I'm just going to have fun. You know what I mean? Do you think he thought this was a well-conceived... Chelsea, I would agree with you. Except? He made a sequel to this movie. Nicolas Cage took this character and made a sequel in 2017. What? What are you talking about? They love it. What? What are you talking about?

41:06Is it called Deadfall 2? The Rise of Eddie?

41:11Jason Mantzoukas:Let me see. Oh my God. So this movie comes out in 1993. and 2017 Nicolas Cage brings back Eddie with a very interesting grouping of people. Bear with it because he comes in a little bit later but here we go it's worth it. You know Mike I have a job for you if you want it. You're brothers. Don't worry about me. Listen I need to talk to you about making. It's always something. Is it true what I heard? You bought some coke and you wanted to flip it? What do you want me to say? So you're a drug dealer now. Where's my coke? Where is it?

41:55Your brother is always getting into trouble. It's Mikey. I owe everything to him. I think we're even. Oh, you think we're even, you and I. I know of a way where we can both earn what we deserve. There's no amount of money that I would do that for. You owe me! You owe me! This time is... Wow! Wow. And again, like a, what looks like a gritty crime thriller with a cartoon character, with Tony Clifton in the middle of it.

42:30Jason Mantzoukas:By the way, how does he even exist in this movie? How would he ever survive the deep fryer death? Right. With no scar. No. Here's the challenge. It looks... Make the third movie. It's got to be a trilogy. This is not even two years old. my question was ultimately, who is that? Yeah, yeah.

42:56Who is like in the bus in the bus when Michael Bean is taking the bus, we rack focus to this guy. Yeah. And I was like, huh, okay, well obviously that guy's part of the story. Yeah. And then here he is again and he gets killed outside and did anybody ever tell me where and why the beard guy was involved?

43:18Jason Mantzoukas:Right? I understood it as there was an ad backstage that says if you had a fake beard, a fake wig, a tick or a voice, you could just show up and you'd get a part. And be in the movie. Like, I genuinely did not know. Well, that's the thing. I'm assuming that the uncle must have hired him. Or did his dad hire him? His dad probably hired him to keep an eye on him. Oh, I get it. Was the dad trying to, using this guy? Okay, I get it. James Coburn, the dad, hired Fakebeard to kill Nick Cage because Nick Cage might kill Michael Biehn. Oh, got it. Right? That's got to be it because he probably wanted to protect his son within the dangerous situation he was putting his son in without his son's knowledge and saw Nicolas Cage as so erratic as to be potentially a threat to the son, which Nicolas Cage was already starting to assume that Michael Biehn was trying to kill him.

44:12Right? I don't know. I don't know. That makes sense. Can anyone up here take a stab at just what ultimately from beginning to end the con was? Oh, yeah. Like beginning to end, like beginning of the movie. The beginning, yeah.

44:30Jason Mantzoukas:So he basically, the dad fakes his death knowing that the son will go find his brother. And then the son will start working for the brother to get involved in this big diamond con. and then... And how would the dad know that? It's a leap of faith. It's a real leap. Wait, was the dad... Did the dad set that up? Yeah. Did the dad set... The diamond? Did the dad set the diamond deal in motion with Harry Houdini or whatever? Harry... Harry... Wait, the first one or the second diamond one? The only... Oh, the only diamond. Because, okay, So you have James Coper and the dad, right? And in the opening scene, Michael Biehn thinks he's killed him, and everybody goes their separate ways.

45:17Okay, Peter Fonda, everybody else, right? But he also walks out with, doesn't he walk out with?

45:22Jason Mantzoukas:Money. And Peter Fonda does say to him, like, your dad wants you to get the cake. Yeah. So that's the... And his dad's dying words were, go to my brother, get the cake, or whatever. Like, of all this, I just heard cake. Yes. Agree. The whole movie, I was just like, cake. And it really was like, and the cake, I guess again, like a noir-y way, I guess the cake is like, contains a thing, like the Maltese Falcon contains a thing. I thought the cake was just, I feel like that cake is the term for a diamond. What the ring is in. No, the engagement ring for the shared woman that they loved, right? That's the cake?

46:01It was in a cast. Oh, right, yes. It was in a cake. Sorry.

46:04Jason Mantzoukas:He twisted it. The box was a cake. And why would you give somebody an engagement ring in a wedding cake? Yeah, it's confusing. The weird thing is it's not like... It's the cart before the horse. It's not supposed to look like an actual cake. It's just this weird figurine, this weird cake figurine. And correct me if I'm wrong. Well, I thought it was supposed to look like a cake. Well, it... It looks like a cake, but it's like a Precious Moments figurine or something. It doesn't... No, it looks like... Yeah, yeah, yeah. It doesn't actually look like a cake. Oh, it does, though. Wait, what do you mean it doesn't look like a cake?

46:40You mean just the scale. Thank you. If you saw it, you would not eat it. Right. Oh, no, no. It's in the shape of a cake. It's not like realistically a cake. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, but it's in the shape of a cake. It's like a mini cake. Right, but I don't understand what world are we in in which you're handing someone that.

47:00Jason Mantzoukas:Right, that's what I'm saying. If you're proposing and want to do a fun bit around, like, here's your dessert, it would have to look like a real, like, something. Yes, yes. You would actually. Otherwise, she's like, what are you doing? Oh, wait, are you presuming that the reason it looks like a cake is because it was delivered during the dessert course of a meal? Why else would this engagement ring be in? I thought it was just like a fancy ring box in the shape of a cake. But that doesn't exist. Also. This was the actual cake that was delivered. Oh, they went all out on that one. It looked like they didn't even go to the store to buy a cake from Gelson's.

47:38Jason Mantzoukas:They just, someone in the back just slapped some stuff together. To be fair, that does look like the cake that that woman character would have made. Yes. Absolutely. I thought it was a great choice. By the way, it looks delicious. It looks so milty. By the way, I will say, what an odd birthday. Ham in the afternoon. Disgusting. Just a giant ham. afternoon ham. Come over for some afternoon ham and cake. Ugh. Gross.

48:08Can I ask a question too? Wasn't the engagement ring inside red? Yes. Was it a giant ruby? Is that what we're to believe? And wasn't the cake brown?

48:19Jason Mantzoukas:What's that? Yeah, the cake was brown. Brown like an odd choice. An unfrosted wedding cake. Yeah. Like it should have at least been white. Yeah, put some fondant on that. Okay, nailed it.

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52:16Jason Mantzoukas:Zazzle.com. But I mean, there is so much going on. I think the con is go work for my brother and then we'll get all that money from him because at the end they get that suitcase full of money and he gives it to everybody. Everyone seems to get a small stack and then they keep the giant suitcase together. He's like, we split it. Right, but I guess my question is Right Why set him up to do that? Is there no other person I just wasn't quite understanding It felt like a long road I suspect it was the presumption that James Coburn, the uncle would probably welcome his nephew into his trust rather than if he tried to get Peter Fonda to go and get involved in James Coburn the uncle's gang.

53:07So do you think, though, that there's any world in which he could have done that without faking his own death? Yeah. If he trusted his son. But he basically used... That's the question. Why not bring him into it? Yeah. He didn't trust him. That's it? I assume so.

53:28Jason Mantzoukas:I think he did trust him, but he needed to make the son really mournful because who knows who's watching him? We don't know. But he also set him up with the woman? Trust his acting. Yes. By the way, can we talk about the best performance of the film? That opening scene where they're doing the coke deal. Whoever's buying the cocaine is scooping it like that woman scoops dicks out of boxers. It is like, I've never seen anyone taste cocaine. Like, blah, blah, blah. Like, he's throwing it in his mouth like a one. He says, I can see angels. I can see angels. Isn't it Michael Constantine? Is it? Oh, my gosh.

54:05Yeah, it's Michael Constantine, the father from my big fat Greek wedding. I mean, as well as a million other great things.

54:13Jason Mantzoukas:He sucks in that cocaine.

54:18Jason Mantzoukas:Here, it's like him just shoveling. Almost as if it perhaps is real cocaine. Just... Two fingers in his mouth. Also, two things. Hey, Chris, I'm so sorry. We did not get lights. We have two flashlights. All right. Point one at each guy. We'll see what we can get. He thought it was film noir. You don't need lights. It's supposed to be dark. We haven't even gotten to... So much.

54:54Jason Mantzoukas:I can't believe what time it is. I know. We maybe shouldn't have spent 20 minutes on the title. We did like the title, the cake. Okay, and I'm sorry to spend one more minute on the cake, but I have to. Can we find a picture of it? Yeah, find a picture of the cake, and I may need to see the cake scene. I don't know if I can. That's a big ask. Okay, don't worry about it. But I want a consensus up here at least. So we all think that the cake was the presentation of an engagement ring. Correct. Wow, wow, wow, wow. That's so crazy. so in that presentation okay he's just thinking like oh here's your here's your engagement ring box which is in a cake I think James Cobra might have done one of these and opened the cake no he couldn't it's a screw top it was?

55:50yeah he screwed it I noticed because I felt like the actor like screwed it too much when he was screwing it so was he trying to hide it in the office so it was just it wouldn't look like an engagement ring box because if I saw that, I would walk over to it. It was in a safe. Oh, it was in a safe. This is like when a director's directing a scene and the actor's like, I have to ask another question about the cake box. I'm so sorry. And why do I have to know about the cake box? Like, what is it to me?

56:18Jason Mantzoukas:And if it's in the safe, why does it need to be in the cake box? Couldn't it just be in a safe? And the thing seems to be that James Coburn, the uncle, had the cake box and the ring made for the woman that James Coburn, the father, then stole? Is that right? Right, because at one point James Coburn, the uncle, says you could have been my son. Which isn't how it works. Weird, that's not how it works. At all. That's not how that works. And keep in mind, that woman fucked twin brothers. And by the way, they had James Coburn, but yet that picture is the most photoshopped picture I've ever seen. It looks like one picture was taken in the 70s and one picture was taken in the late 80s and both of the people who were in that picture were not looking at the camera.

57:04Jason Mantzoukas:They're like veering off to the side. I thought he was pretty hot as the uncle. Oh, Uncle Lou? Yeah. The white hair? Yeah. The white hair looks great on him. Yeah, it was better than the dark. And it was like California was treating Uncle Lou well. Yeah, yeah. Uncle Lou had found love. They were going in Tahiti. He had it made. Uncle Lou, though, spends a long period of time, because I get what they're trying to do. Not reveal his face. Not reveal he's a twin. Although that's a big hole that you and your dad would never say, oh yeah, my brother and I are twins. But whatever. So they have to hide his face.

57:42Jason Mantzoukas:So he's like looking out the window for an exorbitantly long period of time. There's nothing going on. He's like, yes, so I'm glad you're here. And think that that would be cool if we could talk about some stuff and anyway boom check it out and that's where like there would be like a music sting to tell you something had happened but it's just empty it is the vacuum of space do you think there's any way he actually is his son wow a lot of agreement jim okay i'll i'll go down this road Because at the very end... So you think when she left with the father, she might have already been pregnant from Uncle Lou and...

58:29Potentially. Because there's a moment at the end when the carousel is going around and he's sort of trying to figure out his relationship to his dad and it felt like the world was spinning. Yeah. And especially because he said, you could have been my son. Well, there's no way he could be his son unless he actually could have been a son.

58:53Jason Mantzoukas:Oh, okay. I see what you're saying. So he was right. If she stayed with me, you would have been a son. And what's interesting is that the movie creates a more compelling connection between Michael Biehn and Uncle Lou. Uncle Lou's like, come to Tahiti with us. Come live with us. Come be with us. Be a family or whatever. On Uncle Lou's ticket that just says one way. I've never seen a ticket printed one way. And then his father comes in, kills Uncle Lou, and is like, fuck you. and his dad's basically like a full-on piece of shit. And his hair is like just hastily darkened with shoe polish. Again.

59:28It's like glistening. It's glistening.

59:30Jason Mantzoukas:Got invited to the gangster party. It's like, I really don't have anything. And he was like, I'll put some shoe polish in my hair. That's gangster, right? Vampire gangster. It's like everybody got dressed from the Tim Robinson sketch where he's got all those mafia pieces for that party. What about Charlie Sheen as the pool hustler Fats? That was, I was like, okay, here we go. Yet another person that's revealed, like we said earlier, that everything. What's his character's name? His name is, they call him Fats, but his name is Morgan Grip. Morgan Grip. I was imagining him having to rehearse that line.

1:00:12You can call me Fats. What?

1:00:19Hang on. Sausage. Hang on. Sausage. Sausage. Sausage. Sausage. Sausage. Sausage. Sausage. Sausage. Why are we saying sausage?

1:00:32Jason Mantzoukas:Clark, do you know why they're saying sausage? Oh, his assistant is called sausage? Oh, got it. Has this been worth it? Aren't you glad you... ground this to a full halt just so we could figure it out? Was this a satisfying part of the podcast? I hate you.

1:00:54Jason Mantzoukas:So, Charlie Sheen's introduced... Morgan Grip. I don't even really understand where he falls into the world ultimately, but I really do think what I'd like to play is his monologue about Mark Twain. which we talked about a little bit, but here we go. Oh, by the way, when they're playing this pool scene, none of these shots are impressive to me, and I don't think that they're, never do you see, like, a ball go in. Oh, they're not playing, they're not playing pooling pockets. They're playing, like, snooker or whatever. Okay. Not snooker. What's it called? What is it? Billiards. Billiards? Or? Sausage!

1:01:38Sausage. They're playing, they're playing sausage. No, they're just playing a different pool game that doesn't have pockets.

1:01:44Jason Mantzoukas:Okay, well, they're playing a pool, right? Because he just revealed that table without the... I didn't know there were pool games without pockets. Seems like there's no payoff. Each time you have to hit, like, both balls or something, you have to, like... That's so lame. You also need to explain that to the audience. Like, hey, the thing that you're so familiar with, it would be like if you did a bowling scene, but it was like, no, no, no. but you never put the ball on the alley. Because I was like, what am I watching here? No, no, it's just like the bowling we know, but there's no pins. You just roll a ball down a lane.

1:02:21And a score is given because it's all geometry.

1:02:26Jason Mantzoukas:I think this is the Mark Twain moment here. This was Sam's game. Samuel Langhorne Clemens. You know, Mark Twain. The genius behind Huck Finn. Tom Sawyer. Personal favorite of mine. A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court. He used to play whenever he had writer's block. Said it was good for the brain. And end of monologue. And we never see him make a shot in the scene. Nope. Like, we never see him and the pool shot in the same camera shot. Wait, but what would the shot mean if we don't know even what the game is? I guess that's true. By the way, I just think it's funny to refer to an author as the genius behind.

1:03:28Jason Mantzoukas:because it's like you can say that, but when you see something with a genius, it's not certainly clear. It's like, oh, yeah, he's the genius behind that movie. But you know the author of the book. From the guy that brought you Tom Sawyer and the guy behind Huck Finn. Behind Huck Finn leads you to believe that there are other people that also executed it as well. That's the only scene with any music in the background. It shocked me. Oh my gosh. And then Charlie Sheen works for a man who has a lobster claw for a ham. What was this? What was this? What was that? What was this? That guy, here's the thing, that guy and Nicolas Cage are in the same movie.

1:04:17That's true. These guys are in Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are dead, other movies somewhere, where they're fucking linked up. It's called Eddie and the Claw. Coming out 2020.

1:04:32Jason Mantzoukas:Coming out 2020. They both finally got the final thing. This is like a Dr. Evil setup right here. Another guy shot in a black room. There's a lot of black rooms in this movie. We don't understand. Do we understand why he has the claw hand? Nor does he ever really use it. Just to touch things in a weird way. It's like he could use his other hand. Yeah, but he's selfish and he doesn't want to learn how to use it. But if you're going to give someone a claw for a hand and he never chops anything with it, what's the point? This is Chekhov's claw. Let's do this. No. I did think he was going to pick up a diamond with it, but he didn't use it to pick up the diamonds.

1:05:15And also, for a man like this who appears to be a diamond buyer, seller, something like that, why does he need to have a vicious claw?

1:05:26Jason Mantzoukas:I mean we're in a world put a loop on the end so you can look at diamonds with your hand that's your repetitive motion but you're saying if there's nothing there if you don't have a hand there ironically he never chops a hand off so you're saying just put like a giant magnifying glass on it that's the thing he uses the most because when he has to look through the loop his partner or his henchman has to hold the loop up to his eyes. And he's got to like... Because to do his work, his claw hand is obsolete. It's a metaphor for the movie plot. Like overcomplicated, unnecessary. But we've all been in that thing where your doctor says, hey, you lost your hand, you want the claw hand, and you think that would be so cool.

1:06:15Jason Mantzoukas:And only when you get home, you're like, I should have just gone for the normal hand. Guaranteed. This is one of those scenarios is we're in the middle of the night, you're half asleep, you full-on chop your own dick off. Because you just go to hold it with the wrong hand, and it's like, chop, chop, chop, see you later. Oh, my gosh. This scene leads into my favorite scene of the movie, which is the gangsters getting ready around a table as the camera spins. And holy shit, you want to talk about some acting. Every actor, when that camera's on them, they are giving, they are like, this is it. They're giving their whole lives.

1:07:00Jason Mantzoukas:That scene, I mean, that scene was masterful. Why does that woman have two long nails?

1:07:10Jason Mantzoukas:They look like coke nails. Oh, it's just a cocaine nail. They're probably for head scratching. I guess I've never seen cocaine nails. I've never seen two together. She had a two. Isn't it just you have one cocaine nail? I mean... Maybe one is for like... Maybe it's like one is for cocaine and one is for some other snortable drug. Or what if, you know, she gets her hand chopped off like her boyfriend and she's like, shit, I want to get a claw hand but I also don't want to stop doing cocaine. So it's already ready to go. I know what it is. I bet all the nails were that long but her boyfriend chopped off a bunch of them accidentally.

1:07:46Jason Mantzoukas:Oh my gosh. This is like... This... This... This is... This is... Wow. This was a wild ride, this movie. I enjoyed the abject nonsense of this trash. What's crazy is the other deadfall.

1:08:06The central relationship has a theme of incest, and it still had a lot more dignity.

1:08:17Now we have to do it, because that seems to be a theme in a lot of our movies. Can I ask, Chelsea, what is the deadfall in the other movie? No idea. The trees? Probably trees. Much like this one, I was tuned out for much of it.

1:08:33Jason Mantzoukas:Let's go to the crowd. Let's see what you all have to say about this movie. All right. I'm going to ask you all to do it in your best Nicolas Cage in deadfall voice. I won't take a no. You gotta present. And look, just, you know, Nicolas Cage just gives an A for efforts. That's all we're looking for. A for effort. All right, so this person has the question. I don't know if it's gonna be good. All right, here we go. This is my spidey sense of doing this show live a bunch of times. Ma 'am, your name and the best Nick Cage, and then your question. My name is Annabelle. Bullshit, bullshit! Annie Hoodles, my question is for you, darling June.

1:09:16the murder scene in the vat of boiling oil is so violent and so disgusting how did you like justify that in your like brains i don't know that was so gross and horrible like wasn't that scary to everybody and he ripped the wig off first like why like why did that happen and like Did he ingest the boiling oil into his throat? These are all things that happened in the movie. These are all things that happened. My spider sense is never wrong!

1:09:50Jason Mantzoukas:Up to the balcony!

1:09:56I don't know. I found that scene to be erotic.

1:10:07That's so concerning. All right, I am up in... Paul, be careful. The balcony. Be careful up there. Where? Oh, there.

1:10:17Jason Mantzoukas:Please be careful. Great. Front row here in the balcony. All right, sir, your name and the best Nick Cage voice and your question. Let's go. Come on down to me. All right. Hi, my name's Casey. Depression's going to be really bad, but yeah, we are secret protectors. No. What's happening? I'm walking away. I'm walking away. I was so confused. Just be careful, Paul. Forget about it, Paul. I thought I was just out of breath from running up all those stairs, but then I was like, this isn't making sense. Well, you got to remember to be a little bit more, you got to give him an eyeball. We have one final question from a woman.

1:10:54Jason Mantzoukas:Where are you? You have to let this woman ask a question. That's who I'm going to. That's who I'm going to. She was going to be my final one. I knew there was one person to pull us out of this. I want to say, ma 'am, you have been jumping up and down. yelling and screaming. I want you to really right now examine, is this worth it? It's worth it. There's absolutely no way. We're going to do something a little bit different tonight. Tonight we're only going to take one question from the audience. Ma 'am, say your name in the best Nicolas Cage voice and ask your question. My name's Jacqueline. I don't know.

1:11:35Okay, so my question is this. I was so sad when he died 45 minutes into the movie. I thought that there were going to be another Nicolas Cage twin coming into the movie. Like, was that something that you guys would totally, like, be down with? Like, he died out way early on. I'm not going to lie. You burned 700 calories jumping up and down to ask that question. I mean, even when Paul was walking toward you, you didn't stop jumping. So the question is, in a movie where there are twins, did we think part of the reveal would be another set of twins? No. I feel comfortable saying, no, I did not. No, it wasn't even that.

1:12:25She asked if we would be down with that. Would we be down with another twin in a movie that was already dead? made. I feel comfortable saying no, I would not like it. But would you be down with it? I would be down with it. Sure. Well, because of time we weren't able to go to the audience for questions tonight. That's a bummer. Let's get right down to second opinions.

1:12:50Jason Mantzoukas:That's right. We have an opinion about this movie, but there are people out there with a different opinion. It's now time for second opinions. Yo, I got a second opinion and I'm so glad that you're hearing that. I just finished this movie and I was touching my spirit so much I had to hop on Amazon.com just to let you people know that this movie's the bomb. I watch this movie every night with my family and friends and then I wait for them to leave and then I watch it again top to bottom. Crazy movies are fun, but I think that thought was lost on everyone. Yo, ignore the reviews. Movie critics are ruthless.

1:13:19Jason Mantzoukas:Worst of them all, June Paul and Mazoukis. Just stop it. You're so caught up looking for logic. Characters and plot, man, all of it's toxic. I'm hype and I'm lit because this flick is the shit. I'd give this movie five stars. If I could, I'd give it six. Whoa, amazing! Give it up for Tony! Holy shit, that was amazing.

1:13:41Jason Mantzoukas:Here we go. L.A. may not be the place for questions, but it is the place for song. Here we go. Now it's time for second opinions. That is his mom. Oedipus Complex. Why is the O silent? Why did they have slow sex? Second opinions I don't know why you'd have them The plot is a turducken Three Coppolas Fuck them When your dad falls in his locker Find your uncle, Roderickon Together Mickey Dolenz is a bad guy You may ask why he is not a monkey On dead fall, on dead fall

1:14:56Jason Mantzoukas:Genevieve! There you go. Thank you, Genevieve. What did I tell you? Spidey sense.

1:15:06Jason Mantzoukas:Genevieve, that was fantastic. Okay. 42 reviews for Deadfall on Amazon. In total. It's a very low number. It averages 3.6 out of 5 stars. They're 36 % of five-star reviews. I'll say this much. The five-star reviews are in on it, for the most part, in these. So this one is written by Pro Izzle, and Pro Izzle writes in December 17th, 2016, Dude, this movie is so entertaining. Not for those easily insulted. Five stars. Insulted? Like insulted by bad filmmaking.

1:15:57Jason Mantzoukas:Michelle Huss in February 2015 said, to give the story the right number of stars for the cheesy feel to the movie, minus two stars. I do mean cheesy. For more twists in the storyline than balloon animals at the fair, three stars. So now we're at one star. For the not obvious clues I saw after the fact, I felt like an idiot, two stars. Now we're at three stars. The best part of the whole movie, Nicolas Cage, five stars. Eight stars.

1:16:37Jason Mantzoukas:That is it, five out of five. Wow, that's like that new math. Yeah. That's what Terrence Howard invented, right? All right, so this one is... Okay, this was a good one. From Dakota. Watched it until Cage dies. Up until that point, it was amazing. Five stars.

1:17:03I will say once he's gone, it is a much worse movie. Yeah, so it sounds like you would be down for a twin. I mean, I guess I've seen him do it in adaptations. so I guess I can see it being done. I guess I'd be down with it.

1:17:21Jason Mantzoukas:And finally we end on... You win! And finally we end on Gordon New who writes, the dark scenes are blacker than noir and the dialogue is riper than Pulp Fiction. Kig's character is original. His calculated overacting is as fine as parody as I've ever seen. He put some thought into the role and did a far better job than most of his work requires. The obligatory intrigue is masterfully done. The dramatic cinematography is magnificent. The musical score is straight out of history. The plot has more twists. Whoa, whoa, whoa. The musical score was straight out of history? Out of history. What does that mean?

1:18:05Jason Mantzoukas:What is that? Straight out of history? I thought this was a facetious review, but I don't think it is. The musical score was straight out of history. And the plot has more twists than my grandma's pretzels. Well acted, well produced, and well edited. Enjoyable on so many levels. Five stars. Wonderful movie. Wait, was that from Paul Wetzel?

1:18:36Jason Mantzoukas:I was going to say it was... I didn't know how to correlate it to Aunt Annie. Oh, yeah. This movie came out in 1993. The budget was... Anyone want to take a guess at that budget? $10 million. Where? Where? $10 million. And the opening weekend gross was$9 ,183. the domestic gross was $18 ,369 and how is there a sequel? How did they get a sequel? that's crazy I think that Nicolas Cage just said he wanted to do it it ranked 252 out of all the movies that came out in 1993 to give you an idea of what was coming out in 1993 Jurassic Park, Mrs. Doubtfire The Fugitive this movie was beaten by Demolition Man Super Mario Brothers, Body of Evidence Surf Ninjas, Mr.

1:19:38Jason Mantzoukas:Nanny, and Airborne. And there were only seven movies made in 1993 that made less money than Deadfall. Zero percent on Rotten Tomatoes. And we thank our producer, Averill Halley, for bringing this movie to our attention. Holy cow. And before we leave, I want to just... Averill made this. It's a mashup of all the VO. in the movie. I won't play the whole thing. My favorite line was the coast was alive but I had no time for the sights. The coast was alive? This is just the VO all cut together. I'll just play a little bit of it and we'll put this up online. So here we go. Secret I swore I'd uncover.

1:20:27The coast was alive but I had no time for the sights. I was looking for something to tip me off. A break in the routine. A place to start the hunt. It looked like I had to pay my dues by wilding Dunkleew's flunking. This fucking fucker's fucked! Well, at least he was a lively fellow. Shape the con or it'll shape you, Pop would say. Wise words my new friend Eddie never learned. He was the type of badass bluff man that was stuck on the high you get from the con. That's bad news. Eddie was kid stuff. Lou was the real deal. He was as clever as Pop. A true pro of the high con. I saw that right away.

1:20:59And he had...

1:20:59Jason Mantzoukas:Just a little taste of just all the VO mashed together. I would love it if someone would just cut together all of the Nicolas Cage lines. I would watch that like... I mean, it's here. It is here, right? I think when I just Googled it, it just popped up. It just says like, yeah, honoring the craziest performance. Oh, great. Thank God. I mean, we don't have time to watch that. Thank God this exists. Watch it at your leisure. It's seven minutes. This audience is insane. All right. Thank you, LA. You have been a fantastic crowd.

1:21:42Jason Mantzoukas:All right, and that was us live from the Wiltern. A big thank you to Chelsea Peretti, who is just fantastic. We are so excited to have her back. A big thank you to our producer, Averill Halley, for cutting these clips and finding these movies. Nate Kiley for doing all of our research. Devin, who's here in the Wiltern with us. Cody Fisher, our other producer. for everybody at Earwolf. Also, Kyle Waldron for doing our amazing artwork that you see on our Instagram and Facebook page. And by the way, follow us all on the social media. We love that. We love to have you there, especially the How'd This Get Made social media.

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