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22:39She sticks her middle finger into my urethra. Right into, all the way into my bladder. Does that hurt, Paula? Are you feeling that? Are you feeling that? Ooh, she milked my bladder from inside my pee hole. She took her nail and dug right into my urethra. I mean, there was an M &M in there. Yeah.

22:58Jason Mantzoukas:But, yeah, and Dennis Miller, by the way, just to hit one more thing with him, too, is, like, supposedly, like, the voice of, like, not the voice of reason, but the guy who's, like, I'm saying it as it is. I think he's, like, the every dude. He's, like, come on. You don't have a boner? He's, like, you don't, she doesn't give you a boner? Lift up. You don't achieve lift up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Here's the. You got to use a Mack truck, you know, series five to understand how to lift that thing out. Cha-cha. Yeah. This is where he gets in trouble here. Well, this comes back to haunt Michael Douglas' interaction.

23:31Come on, you have a sexual urge every 20 minutes. It's a physiological certainty. You know, it's hardwired into your limbic brain. You can't fight it. Why would you want to fight it? Live a little. I mean, 10 years from now, you're going to need a forklift to get a hard on, pal. 10 years from now? 10 years from now when you're 40. Also, how does a forklift help? Yeah. You know, like, exactly. A forklift of balls? What does it do? Like a forklift doesn't get it. It lifts the balls, he's going to say. But it's so funny. This is also Michael Crichton. It's like that. It's like when Sorkin wrote Studio 60.

24:09It's like writers who want to write stand-up. Yes, comedy. And they're like, I'm going to write Dennis Miller material. Quips. I'm going to write what it must be like to be around one of these guys.

24:20Jason Mantzoukas:And I will say, though, to Crichton's credit, it ages great. It does. Yeah, really? It still has that kind of bite in that. But it is. I have to say inside of it, Dennis Miller is fun. I do like hearing Miller's voice in there. He's fun in that role of like, come on. He's got a real, unlike Cato Kaelin in the movie, he has a point of view. He's got an engine driving him that's fun to watch enough. The way that I also find Donald Sutherland just captivating to watch. Me too. His massive teeth. I think they're getting bigger. They are. Donald Sutherland says something in the beginning, and I loved his choice, which was he talks about the death of his daughter, but he glosses over it so quick.

25:03Jason Mantzoukas:He's like, when my daughter died. I was like, not even like a – he's speaking to so many people. Like, there's no, like, emotion. No reference to it after that. But I will say a couple things. One, Donald Sutherland is doing almost a, like, New York accent. Like, he pops in and out of, like – I think Donald Sutherland was like, I'd like to do a fun sort of – he's a tough New York guy. And they were like, okay And then he's like, forget it He's like, I'm not doing that Abort, abort The other thing is with Dennis Miller and Michael Douglas Is it is the This is prime mullet This is prime 90s mullet The hair is gorgeous Not trashy mullet Not like whole hair But like long in the back But like coiffed up top And I will say, this is the time where I realized Also, 90s clothes are disgust.

25:57So loose on the body. So loose. She talks about his body at one point. She's like, you're still so hard. Your body's still so tight. It's like, you can't tell. The way you fill out all those pleats and those slacks. Yeah, I know, I know.

26:11Jason Mantzoukas:I really do feel like, you know, it's been in the news recently. Like, the Fast and Furious guys had, like, this thing about who can take a punch. I feel like here, Michael Douglas is like, you got to make her talk a little bit more about my rock hard body. Yeah. I do feel like it's overkill. It's like, who are you convincing? Everybody else. And all of the women in the movie are wearing just clothes on top of clothes on top of other clothes. It looks like they are just draped in fabric. Fabric. It's 90s fabric. Yeah. It is so blousy and flowy, everything. It is. It's hilarious to see everybody in the workplace is just like a whole barrage of nonsense clothes.

26:54Jason Mantzoukas:Every time there's a meeting. Well, he's also, Michael Douglas is, he's a backpack guy, which I love that as a character. When I saw that, I love this. Yeah. He's on a backpack. He's got a, he's taken the ferry. He's taken a couple. I do. I feel like style-wise, though, like another thing that we can address at some point is the Pacific Northwest. Oh, yes. Like how much and how 90s that also is. It's in that very close in Seattle period. And then also grunge. Yeah. I was surprised there wasn't more of a wink, too, that there was. Like, that's how much this movie exists in a time when adult movies mattered, is it makes no effort to, like, reach out to younger people by acknowledging that at this time in Seattle is, like, the most vibrant music scene in America.

27:37I mean, they don't even, yeah. I mean, not exactly, but how dare. But you're right. I feel like now they would try and use, like, oh, they go to see some band. Or Kato Kaelin would be, like, wearing a nerd. I'd go see my band tonight. They'd even give a shit. Maybe they were trying to make him look like Kurt Cobain. Oh, yeah. That's probably true. Because he's, like, that long, blondie hair. Yeah.

28:01Jason Mantzoukas:I think what I was really taking in was how warped I was by movies like this as a child. Because this is what you would see, like, basic instinct and stuff like this. Like, this is the, these are the films of my youth that were like, cool. Kids watched adult films. Yes. Because they were always playing on cable. Like, movies like this were always playing on the HBOs and the, you know, whatever. Richard Gere and Kim Basinger. Yes. Yeah, it's like, it's like this intense thing. Even like, Alec Baldwin made that movie, like, The Getaway with Kim Basinger. Oh, yeah. And they had like, he showed his dick and she was totally naked.

28:36Jason Mantzoukas:It was like on the unrated version of The Getaway. I remember getting it at Blockbuster and being so excited. Whoa. The Ally McGraw, by the way, just to sidetrack, the Ally McGraw-Steve McQueen version of The Getaway is one of the greatest movies. Really? Yeah. Is it called The Getaway? Yeah. Okay, yes. The movie, you know, it takes place in a week. So we're Monday through Friday. Yeah, by the way. Monday, that shining, they use the, like, shining Monday when it starts and lives up to the promise. It really, like, so much happens in five days. And they make such a big deal of like, this is going to wreck your life and you're going to spend so much money.

29:08Jason Mantzoukas:No, just if you can spend five days dealing with a sexual harassment case. And honestly, at the end of it, this is a legal case that would take months, if not years to work. Arbitration, arbitration, arbitration. But I love that at the end of the movie, it should have just been like somebody says to Michael Douglas, how you doing? He's like, tough week. Yeah. It's like that's how it's only been one week of his life. Is this a fair time to just bring up what the plot of this movie is? Yeah, of course. Go ahead. So this is the whole thing. It's like I don't know how I would explain. Like if you talk about the movie, you're like, oh, it's the movie where Demi Moore sexually harasses Michael Douglas and then accuses him of sexual harassment, right?

29:51Right. But the actual plot of the movie is that Donald Sutherland is trying to sell or merge his company to make$100 million. In 1994. It's a lot of money. Yeah, which is a lot of money, but still, yes, it is crazy. But now$100 million for a tech company is what Loofa would make, like a company that just sells loofas, delivers you loofas.

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31:03Jason Mantzoukas:But maybe he's excited because he has$100 million for a company that's just a virtual filing cabinet. We've pulled the biggest wool over everyone's eyes. Can I ask a question? Is the sexual harassment, the initial sexual harassment, a setup itself? That's what I... When Demi Moore calls him up to the office for wine to discuss, is that a trap? No, I don't think so. Because I think we're supposed to believe that he is that sexually attractive. I don't think she's putting... I think it's like she is so moved by how hot he is. She has to do it. But don't you think... I thought... I read it slightly differently.

31:39Jason Mantzoukas:I think that she was like going, hey, we used to fuck. He'll want to do it again. Let's just go and we'll have a, we'll just have our thing. Like it will be. We'll have our normal affairs. Yeah. While I got, while I got his promotion. Yeah. I got your promotion, but we can still hook up. But I mean, but that's what I like. And so I think what is even weirder about this too is like, so she's spurned because he doesn't want to have sex with her. And then she's like, I'm going to take you down. And oddly the whole company is against him too. But that's the thing is like, she's, he spurns her, right?

32:09She's like, I'm going to take you down. But he was, they were always trying to take him down. He was always supposed to be the scapegoat for why the technology wasn't working. Yeah, was the sexual harassment not the first attempt to get him out? It was just a complication to their long game of trying to get him out. Is that right? No, I don't know.

32:29Jason Mantzoukas:Well, again, I don't know. Maybe it's different. But I thought they were using that to be like, we'll get him out this way. because he was already pushed down to the lower tier. Yes. What I believe after spending like literally hours trying to understand this and talking about it with my girlfriend was like, can you explain to me what this is about? Yeah. Here's what I believe they were trying to accomplish. Your dates must be so fun. You're just like furiously diagramming on the table. And then she says. Right. So Demi, and it's Demi. Okay. Well, she's Greek, we think. So I believe what happens is that they are trying to get this merger done.

33:09But the technology and the manufacturing on these new CD-ROM, which are a big part of this whole virtual reality deal or whatever.

33:19Jason Mantzoukas:They need these CD-ROM drives. Not even the CDs. They need these CD-ROM drives for this virtual reality, which is the cornerstone of why this merger is happening. They are behind about a year on production. Right. So they need a scapegoat. If this comes out, they need a scapegoat to bury the problem on. And they're choosing Michael Douglas as the scapegoat so that if it all ever comes up, they'll be able to fire him and be like, we fired the problem now. But even then, it still doesn't. But the reason that they are. Right, because they would still be behind. They can't say this is right. Yeah, the reason they're behind what we find out at the end.

33:55You're right, though, I think. I think, yeah. I think so far everybody is right. All of the. That's the thing is all of these things are in play. And that's what's kind of difficult to kind of figure out because there's multiple people have multiple levels of secret plans. You know, because what we then find out at the end is that it was Demi Moore's character who made the changes to the manufacturing line of the CD-ROM drives that have necessitated that Michael Douglas is now a year behind schedule.

34:25Jason Mantzoukas:But why did she do that? She just wanted to set the company back? Cost cutting? Cost cutting. To get them maybe ready for the merger quicker? Yes. My guess is that they had a clock and they couldn't wait. Anytime you're rolling in Malaysian news footage, too, you're a big reveal at the end. Yeah. This is amazing. And also just being like. And he has all that overnight. He's able to overnight build an incredible case against Demi Moore. All because this is a guy who's always helping out the little guy. His wife says it and she's like, oh you don't you you're the only one who helps everybody or something and then like his big help is except her the Disneyland tickets big old Disneyland tickets he writes he goes all the rides are comped you're not going to have to pay for a seat once you get in there go on any ride you want you can ride it as many times don't worry all the rides are comped when he said that it just it spoke to me that no one has been to Disneyland there no one understood the concept it's not hard to get tickets It's not like a concert.

35:29No. You have to like get scheduled tickets to Disneyland. All your rides are calmed and you left. Is that just to save the cat thing of like he's a good guy? Okay. And why the guy helps him, right? Right. Exactly. He's from Malaysia. The transaction is the same. The guy he got the Disney tickets for is the guy who faxes him all the incriminating information. Whose name is maybe Jafar? Yes, Jafar. It is Jafar. And this is post-Aladdin or is this pre - It's a nod to Aladdin. Is it? Right? Terrible nod to Aladdin.

35:58Jason Mantzoukas:Well, because, yeah, Jafar wants to go to Disney World. He's not allowed in because he's a villain. He can afford some of the rides. He can't afford all of them. You know Michael Crichton's just like, his kids are watching Aladdin in the background. He's like, Jafar, great, got it. Okay, clickety-clackety-clickety-clack. Aladdin came out in 92, so, yeah, it is. We're living in a post-Aladdin world. Yes. Go ahead. Please. Please. Please. Please. Look, what I'm saying is I don't want to be stressed out by this. I might just take a Prozac. Oh, so 90s. every little piece of it. I know, and as if, like, it's just like, oh, you want a Prozac?

36:32It's like, this is not an Advil. No. Prozac works cumulatively over time. You have to take something like Prozac for a long time for it to get into you. You don't just, like, casually pop a Prozac.

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40:06Jason Mantzoukas:I mean, this is so it's so funny because they don't try to change it in any way. They just basically go, here are the details of how or the tropes of men sexually harassing women. And we'll just have her do the exact same thing. Like, oh, give me a back rub. And that, and so funny, and the secretary walks in. Secretary, totally indifferent. By the way. Why does she, I have a question about that. The secretary, when she, the secretary locks the door? Yes. Why? So the secretary, was she in on it? She's in on it. Well, this is before they could install the Matt Lauer. The Matt Lauer button that automatically locks the door.

40:44The secretary had to lock the door.

40:46Jason Mantzoukas:That was so odd, though, because she would have to say, like, hey. I'm going to sexually harass someone in here. Also, here is my question is, Demi Moore has been not, like, this is the first he's seen. This is the first Michael Douglas has seen of her. She's got a fully, not a fully furnished office yet. No, it's under construction. Right. But it's pretty done. Yeah. Yeah, and she has flown her secretary up with her to, like, I was sort of like, so the secretary is with her in. in California, they've flown up that day. Yes. The office is basically done. Up and running. And he didn't ever see it.

41:26And he had no idea that this was not going to be, this was supposed to be his job.

41:31Jason Mantzoukas:They treat it like the office is being decorated like a surprise party. Like, well, I know they're decorating that office, but it's going to be mine. He's like, no, no, she's fully in there. The choices have been made. Yeah, like he would have been able to look and be like, oh, that's not my stuff. So that's the thing. She, Donald Sutherland, the guy from Happiness, Dylan Baker. Oh, Dylan Baker, so good. He's one of the great weasels of our time. Yeah, they're all so excited to fuck over Michael Douglas. Well, that's one of the notes I made. I was like, this world, this movie exists in a world in which just people at a tech company are so gleefully engaged in nefarious activities to destroy a single person as if he's wronged them.

42:19Dylan Baker is essentially twirling a mustache throughout. He's such an idiot. He has no idea.

42:27Jason Mantzoukas:And he's only shown us at that point to be the nicest of all people. He's helping out. He's got a hamper full of balls in his office. that he likes to, you know, play with his basketball. I thought that was such a funny, weird thing. Oh, I didn't see that. He was a hamper of balls. It's like basketball, football. And at one point, he's like, has a basketball, and he just tosses it in the side. Well, the office door stays open. Oh, yeah. And his secretary. Yep. Yeah. Cindy, right? Are you a friend? Yeah. Are you a friend? Well, and it's like, she's, it's always so funny in movies. It's like, do you want the door open or closed?

43:00He's like, I always leave it open. She's like, you always leave it open. And you're like, oh, I don't know. That door's going to close someday. Yeah, yeah.

43:05Jason Mantzoukas:And she also is like, they have a thing where she's very concerned about him. When he is going through his trauma, she's like, are you okay? He's like, I'm fine. I'm fine. And then yet she testifies against him. Well, they set that up as well when he pats her on the butt with the files at the beginning. They really show you that. They make sure that lands so that that's when that comes back later. And then she does it at the end, which shows that everyone's learned their life. Everyone is doing it. Also, she kind of apologizes at the very end. She apologizes at the very end for being upset. I didn't quite understand what she's apologizing for, but it feels bad.

43:45Right. Well, it's like she's apologizing for saying out loud that he sexually harassed her.

43:50Jason Mantzoukas:She's like, I'm so sorry that I told the truth. Yeah, exactly. It's such a fucking mixed message movie because she's like, I'm apologizing for testifying against you because you actually are a good guy. And now the thing that you did to me, I'm going to do to you. Playfully, though. Playfully, which he did to her playfully, like not lasciviously. So I'm not saying that that's right or wrong. I'm just saying, but like no one's learned anything in this interaction. This has been. No, I feel like they set up the idea that like, you know, in the office, like, look, Michael Douglas isn't perfect. Like, I feel like they were like, we covered our bases.

44:25Yeah. We've covered our bases. Right. So we're not just saying to me more sexually harassment, Michael Douglas is an angel. He likes to play around a little bit, but it's all in good fun. It's nothing bad. Well, keep in mind this. This is 1994. This is before. Joe Biden got plugs? This is before. I mean, it's 2019. Remember, this looks antiquated because we have figured out sexual harassment so clearly. Oh, yeah, of course. This is from another time. Yeah, there's no problems. and everything. This is, I mean, this looks good to me. We've solved all of this. Yeah. I feel like nobody talks about it anymore.

45:02These days you're not really sort of hearing about it at all. I know. It's like not in the news. I went away. I feel like this, like I can't believe that this isn't the biggest movie in the alt-right world. Oh. The spirit is identical. Yes. It's so weird. The way, the defensiveness that he has, the persecution that he goes through from the guy on the ferry from the very beginning. It's like a world. Yes. Everyone is against him. Yes. It feels so much like right now. It is. The guy on the ferry, which the guy on the ferry, we have a puppet scene in Disclosure of the Musical. Briefly, you'll see like a weird puppet version of the ominous man on the ferry.

45:37And we have the blowjob scene. We have like an experimental dance blowjob scene, which you'll see very briefly. But the guy on the ferry is like these women are taking our jobs. Yes. And it's like 25 years later, it's still this feeling. it's the same sentiment, right? And you're supposed to think, I think at the beginning that that guy's like over the top on the ferry. But then the way the movie plays out, you're like, no, I think that's what Michael Douglas feels he experienced. Michael Douglas looks at him at the end of the movie almost to say like, were you right the whole time? Yeah, exactly.

46:10Like you were. Are you some sort of, are you like the blind seer? Yeah. Are you like, what's the Greek blind seer? Tiberius? No, that's not right. But like, that's a crazy idea.

46:23Jason Mantzoukas:Well, he says to him, he goes, you used to have fun with the girls. Now they want your job. Yeah. Like, that's like the most damning thing you can say. Like, why can't we just, like, why don't these girls just want to fuck us anymore? Now they want to work and vote and get out there. It really has been a rough, a real rough, what, 15 years for straight white dudes. Like, a real straight decline. They're really feeling it. Put this in some sort of context, too. This is four years before the Clinton-Lewinsky stuff even comes out, too. So it's like we're like it is interesting in the sense that it was ahead of its time.

47:00Jason Mantzoukas:Well, that's what I bet. Like when I bet when all the Clinton-Lewinsky stuff comes out and it's like, well, I did not have sexual relations with that woman, which is, you know, it's like he didn't have sex with her, but she clearly blew him. He definitely put a cigar inside of her. And what an amazing guy to be the president of the United States in his mid-50s to do that to a 20, 21-year-old girl. What a great guy. But also, to talk about that, just recently watching that Monica Lewinsky doc, you realize, oh, I saw this totally wrong. The way the media kind of put it in your head as a kid, you're like, oh, yeah.

47:33Jason Mantzoukas:No, his personal life is his personal life. You don't understand the power dynamic. The lamestream media. Jason's changed a lot, too, just like Dennis Miller. You've got a lot of different changes. The lamestream media will have you believe. But it is. I bet when the Clinton Lewinsky stuff came out, I guarantee like Crichton and all those guys were like, we saw it. We knew it. We knew it. We saw it. Like this is all these women taking down these good men. In this movie, you've got him say a line which is, oh, shit. I can tell you right now. I mean, is it sexual harassment is about power? Yes. When did I ever have the power?

48:12Yeah. That's amazing. That's not the line, but that line is. They say it like four times in the movie.

48:17Jason Mantzoukas:Well, here's the thing. Let's get into this scene, the sexual harassment scene. So it starts off with the arm rubbing or the back rub. The door is locked. And then the attack. This is the most, and maybe I'm wrong on this, but the most mixed message sexual harassment scene either because. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I know, I know Shia LaBeouf watching was like, oh, okay. Yeah. But then the angles, like, that blowjob, I mean, first of all, that's another hilarious thing, I guess, in my mind, that, like, for this woman, like, she wants to get off by giving him a blowjob.

48:58Jason Mantzoukas:Like, oh, I just want to get your cock in my mouth. Like, that gets me off. Like, but, like, so she's, like, so you have this angle, like, on her face, in his crotch, in those very pleated pants. And, you know, he's like, no, no, no. And then he kind of lifts her off. He's like, okay, you want to get fucked? I'll fuck you. And then they just start fucking. No, they almost fucked. Okay, they almost. Rips. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a very important rip of people. He rips her. He rips her. And I think that's in one of those things where Michael's like, I've got an idea. I've got one idea, Barry, before we roll on this.

49:35I thought maybe we'd try this. So he rips the underwear off. And then he said. You know, there was a couple of times he tried to and it didn't work. and he's like, can somebody score the underwear so it'll rip easier?

49:46Jason Mantzoukas:Well, here is a little bit of the sex scene. It's another dull day in the computer business. Let me be the boss. She uses a lot of business language. Oh, you got it. She's like, the synergy between our bodies has never been... I want to download you. Let's ideate.

50:07No. No.

50:08Jason Mantzoukas:No. All right, so now he's in the middle of getting it. You want to get fucked? Yeah, come on. Say what you want. You want to get fucked? You're turning everybody on, Paul. Say what you want. No. I love when she puts her fingers in his mouth. But he, so he says, do you want to get fucked? And then he gets all the power. Or in this moment, he is the aggressor, which I think is a funny, weird mix to be like, OK, so he's got to also show he's not really being sexually assaulted because he then I believe that they're saying I believe that like what they thought they were doing was being like, she's pushing him.

50:51She's pushing him. And then he's still a fucking dog. You know what I mean?

50:55Jason Mantzoukas:You gotta do it. He's a man. He gotta do it. And it is part of his character that he is like a womanizing man, like a man with a past of sexual prowess or whatever. But it's like he's a sexual prowess guy, but you see him at home and you see him with his family. And in general, he's like so kind of like such a family man. Well, that's what Demi Moore is kind of chipping away at. She basically, he arrives and the first thing she does is be like, show me pictures of your family. who she then proceeds to neg fully. She negs his daughter. He says, but look at this picture of my daughter. Isn't she beautiful?

51:36She goes, she looks like your wife. Who needs to lose weight.

51:39Jason Mantzoukas:She said, yeah, she goes, she never lost. And then Michael Douglas goes, she never lost the baby weight from the first baby. He throws that out there. Which, by the way, that actress, what? She's quite slim. Also, how can you tell she's wearing the blousiest of clothing? But that's a crazy thing to say to anyone. Like, yeah, my wife never lost that baby weight. It's almost like apologizing for it. Like, yeah, no, you caught that. I'm sorry. And you know what? To say that to someone who's an ex-girlfriend of yours is an invitation. To say that to an ex is basically to say, I'm not happy with my wife.

52:16This is why it's confusing. He gave her a mixed message. I think that's what they think they were doing. They were like, see, there is gray here. I think that's what it is. They're saying like, if we really took a snapshot of what sexual harassment is, it's a lot. It's just a lot of great. It's as much the women as it is. Yeah.

52:32Jason Mantzoukas:And by putting a man in that role, they can say like, that's why they do that thing on the ass slap at the end. It's like, guys, what is it? I mean, it really what is like, where is it for you? It's not like it's a it's a very mixed message. There's also something in that exchange where Demi Moore says, it looks like your wife keeps your refrigerator full of food. Yeah. That's like another comment. And that's why he thinks that she's saying that she's fat because she's fat food. But I don't even get what refrigerator full of food. I think she's saying like she seems like a good provider. Yes. Like a dummy at home.

53:09You know, like and even though she's a lawyer and she's got a bed full of papers. She's quite accomplished. Oh, yeah. She's got a bed. She's always doing work. That's such a 90s thing of like, I'm working at home, so my bed is covered in papers.

53:22Jason Mantzoukas:By the way, that is a June Diane Rayfield specialty. Really? June makes the bed a full-blown office. It is. Like, there are books. You know what you should get her? The corridor. So that she's just in a virtual office in bed. She just puts on virtual office. Imagine walking into your bedroom and June is just reaching out. There's something about June that is like a little 90s working woman. I mean, by the way, I think that she is somebody who grew up on Baby Boom, and she's like, I want to live this life. She's also playing Let the River Run while she does it. Let the River Run. Carly Simon sings in our room every night.

54:00Jason Mantzoukas:You guys have changed. June does say that she considers her bed the office. She considers her bed the office? She likes to, she's very open about loving to get into bed at early times and be like, let's, like, let's figure this out. Let's get to work. I literally, when I come to bed, I'm like, I'm moving books and files and things. You're probably one of the only people that wakes up with paper cuts. But, so he is. Shout out to June. June who said when she's in New York right now doing press her book, her great book that she's like I'm so bummed I'm not here for this episode she's like this is my favorite movie what?

54:47Jason Mantzoukas:we have to get and she was watching me watch it on the plane yesterday and she's like oh wish I could talk about this movie she also gave me a warning she's like you be careful in there tomorrow she's like you guys are in a minefield well it is but again like michael douglas it's everyone's in a minefield and like i think like how it's just this movie to me is is so in a weird way it it is very prophetic about how all of this would eventually go down it only took 25 years for us to be like watch how for like white men to be watch how, and all men, how women are going to weaponize sexual harassment against men.

55:32Jason Mantzoukas:And what I think is so interesting is the movie is also a revenge film because once he's been wrong, he's like, now I'm going to fucking wreck your life. The scene where he confronts her because it goes beyond, he wants to humiliate her. He's too tricky where he's like, Meredith, I'm just curious. I thought you were in charge of that. And then everyone starts to laugh at her. Yeah. It's there's too much emotion behind. He needs it too much. And they never really do that to him. Everything that he's doing is very segmented. The only people that are probably laughing at him is the guy who accidentally got the message on his answering machine of the hardcore sex scene.

56:10Jason Mantzoukas:Who was that? Who was that? Because he was auto type on his phone, made him call the wrong guy. That wasn't someone we knew. No. OK. I thought it was going to be the guy from the fucking boat. Like, yeah, that's what I thought it was. No. No, that was confusing. Yes. I also think that in this, like, it's like the speeches and the reveal. There's at least two times when Demi Moore cannot help herself but reveal, like, what a fucking. She does, like, a couple of different you can't handle the truths. Yes. You know, where it's like, if you push me, guess what? I won't back down. Do you want to hear?

56:45Yeah, go ahead.

56:46Jason Mantzoukas:Do they want to hear her big, this is her big seat? Lock the door. You demanded service, and then you got angry when he didn't provide it. So you decided to get even, to get rid of him with this trumped-up charge. Ms. Johnson, the only thing you have proven is that a woman in power can be every bit as abusive as a man. Thesis statement for the film. Yeah. You want to put me on trial here? Let's at least be honest about what it's for. I am a sexually aggressive woman. I like it. Tom knew it, and you can't handle it. It is the same damn thing since the beginning of time. Veil it, hide it, lock it up, and throw away the key.

57:19We expect a woman to do a man's job, make a man's money, and then walk around with a parasol and lie down for a man to fuck her like it was still 100 years ago. Well, no thank you.

57:28Jason Mantzoukas:By the way, that speech is so A Few Good Men, and she's in A Few Good Men just two years before. I kind of like that speech. There's something about it that's very pleasing to me. By the way, I think she's— The content is wrong, but I like the way it is. I think she's good in this movie. I think she's really good. I think there's a bunch of good performances in this movie, which make it even more insane. It's not shocking. It's not campy. It's not over the top performance wise. You know, people are finding a way to compellingly deliver insane lines like that. Well, but I will say this. What Michael Douglas and Demi Moore are both doing a lot of is lower lip work.

58:09Michael Douglas's lower lip is. Yeah. And I don't know if it's always like that, but it's like really jutted out. And I feel like to me, Moore is also doing a lot of lower lip work in this movie. They both worked with the same acting. It's like the top part of their face is different than the bottom part.

58:28Jason Mantzoukas:It really does feel like their top part is almost frozen. Like Michael Caine has a thing like never blink when you're on camera. And I feel like they're like never move a muscle in the top part of your face. Only the bottom lip. This is probably in like a pre-Botoxy world, right? Sure, sure. But Michael Douglas' Lower Lip is – but there are some good speeches in here or they're like – and it is this weird thing where it's like they're trying to bring up the idea that like how can – a woman should be able to do whatever. We talk a lot in the – there's about a – what is it? An aggressive woman likes to be on top is one of our songs.

59:03but I do think it is a lot about an aggressive woman likes to be on top and they want to talk to it but then they're also like but an aggressive woman can't control herself and like loses her shit which is what Demi Moore does time and time again it's like yes she's powerful yes she's aggressive but she also has no control over her emotions so she's going to let loose and say things she shouldn't say multiple times

59:27Jason Mantzoukas:but you know it's interesting because at certain points you are on her side You are on his side. Like, you see it clearly. And I think, I mean, and again, this whole idea of the gray, I think it comes out in this where you leave just going like, I don't know. Like, I mean, you can really find she doesn't seem like a villain necessarily at the end. I mean, the most villainous act she does is sabotage the plant. Right. Right? I mean, for profit, you know, in the company. that it seems to me perhaps might have been done at the behest of Donald Sutherland. I'm not sure. I don't think she's out there acting as a malicious agent alone.

1:00:13You know what I mean? I don't think she's trying to game the system for her own gain or anything like that. I think she is a company. I think she's part of a company that itself is like participating in misrepresenting itself in order to over-evaluate their merger price. I don't think she's trying to be set up as like, oh, she's working alone as the bad guy. I think they're all bad. I think Sutherland is bad. I think Dylan Baker is bad. I think their whole team seems to be a cabal of evildoers. And Dylan Baker also in the mediation. Everybody kind of in and out of the mediation in the middle of the day, like, I got to go back to work.

1:00:53Jason Mantzoukas:They're doing it in the middle of the day. They're going to it. Like they're like they're going to a different location. They're going to another another glass office conference room. Like let's go to that other glass conference room. Yeah, because I thought it was in their thing. And then they had to go back to work to then go back to the mediation. Although I do like when he wins the mediation at the end. They needed to connect him and his lawyer. And I love his lawyer, Roma Mafia. Like she's Catherine Alvarez. Like they win and they're like they don't hug. They just do this like awkward up top high five.

1:01:24Jason Mantzoukas:Like, yeah, we did it. It's such a weird thing that not a handshake. It's like, yeah. And then they and then he goes back and it's like, wait, the paper's gone through. There's like this is all part of their plot to screw me because it's so it's like it's so convoluted. Yeah. Well, because now, you know, now they couldn't get him on this sexual harassment thing. So now they need to scapegoat him for the plants flaws again to make them look good to the people who are going to buy them. The guy from Texas or whatever. John Connolly Jr. Well, no, then the father comes at the end of the movie. When they're all so excited to check out the VR set up in his hotel room.

1:02:10Jason Mantzoukas:Which, by the way, the other thing that I love because it makes no sense is it's like a bouncy mat, like an exercise bouncy mat that has like balls on it. but they're walking around so fluidly it's like they're going to walk right off that fucking bouncy mat. A normal human being's feet would almost be touching the ends of the bouncy mat at regular. It's like a personal trampoline is what it looks like he's standing on but then he's walking full stride through the corridor. But then there's also that moment where he almost falls off a cliff of the building. No. Why did they build the corridor to have edges, like large, like it's as if the stairs at Hogwarts that are moving around is part of it, and you can't quite be certain that when you step next, it won't be just an abyss.

1:03:01By the way, are you a Harry Potter? I'm not. I've never. Like, and I'm not either, but it does feel like. Me neither. Yeah. Yeah. You don't like the Harry Potter movies, right, Jason? Never heard of it. Do you have read any of the books? I don't even know what it is. Parry who? Are you saying parry hotter? That you know. I know about parrying hotter. But the virtual storage room, file cabinet, library space, I feel like Harry Potter kind of stole the movable. That's probably right. J.K. Rowan, big fan of Friday.

1:03:40Jason Mantzoukas:Emily, so obviously in writing this episode, you saw this movie a lot. Are there any little things that just jump out at you as being like, I mean, we talk about it a lot, but even lines or moments that you're like, oh my God. Well, Dennis Miller, we already started talking about Dennis Miller, but the jokes, the way that Nick was describing it, sort of the way that a drama writer writes comedy. Every single, I get the spirit of it, that he's supposed to be a little bit nasty. Yeah. But everything is just like a click off and gross. The way he describes, he's like, nipples like pencil erasers.

1:04:15Yeah. And everyone in the room is like, yeah, pencil erasers. In case you make a mistake. You're going to use her boobs to erase your. Crossword puzzle. Because now you're going to put it in pen. And you might get into this in the, like, I read the, I googled, like, reviews of the movie. to be like, how was this movie received? And I know, Paul, you might. I have a couple, but go ahead. Well, the first line of the Roger Ebert review, do you have that?

1:04:43Jason Mantzoukas:I do. It's like, I'm sorry. Tell me if you have it. It's like, basically the first line is like, the Wonderbra does amazing things for Demi Moore's cleavage. But this movie is a little bit lost in its delivery. And you're like, why did the, like, Roger Ebert look like my grandma? He also said, basically a launch pad for sex scenes. But it's not. It's one. He doesn't even have sex with his wife, which I think would have been interesting, too. Like, just to show, like. Right, like, he's a horny guy, likes sex. Yeah, like, to show that there was some, I don't know, some even chemistry there between them.

1:05:22Jason Mantzoukas:It's a weird thing. Yeah, I wonder if they were trying to make the point that, like, he used to be this, like, real playboy, but now he's been domesticated, and Demi Moore is opening the door to wildness again. That's what she says to him. Yeah, and that it's almost like his home life has to be sexless in order for the other side of it to seem attractive. But, like, the more that's, like, it shouldn't be that, like, it shouldn't have that much of a spread almost. I think that that's part of the movie, though, is, like, this guy used to be a playboy, and now he got married, and, like, he's a work-a-day guy, and he's been beaten down, and doesn't it suck?

1:06:01and like, you know, what's he supposed to do when this hottie tries to blow him? Yeah, you get passed over by a promotion. It's like the guy on the boat. They might as well have the guy on the boat narrate the movie.

1:06:13Jason Mantzoukas:I know. Well, obviously, we had opinions about this movie, but there are people out there with a different opinion. Now it's time for Second Opinions. You are there! You are there! You are there! You are there! You are there! You are there! The movie was a piece of shit Yet this person recommends it Tell me what is the message Maybe that art is subjective I need a second opinion Thank you, John Lajoie, for that amazing song, as always. Well, get ready, people, because if you thought the movie had some problematic issues, these reviews go there. These are five-star reviews. Cold from Amazon. Average rating of this movie, 4.5 out of five stars.

1:07:06Jason Mantzoukas:237 total reviews. 65 % are five-star reviews. Holy shit. And let's see. Maria writes, a very interesting and realistic movie that brought us sexual harassment in the workplace and showed us how, as women become CEOs, VPs, and directors of corporations, they start to show some of the same characteristics shown by men in the workplace. Women can be just as aggressive and focused on seeking sex with men that they work with. I think this movie shows a very realistic, true-to-life story that happens every day in corporate America. Five stars. Excellent. That is kind of the tenor of many of this. And then this one I really like because it's a little bit different from Paolo Roberto Ilias.

1:07:53Jason Mantzoukas:He writes, Disclosure is a suspenseful corporate intrigue drama. showing us what goes on behind closed doors in many places. It has an appealing interface to an audience by showing how products can be made flawed by careless manufacturing. Five stars. Wow. I love that guy's name. The movie that guy watched was very different. I really like that. I happen to work in CD-ROM manufacturing. Joni writes, love this movie. Watch it over 20 times. What? We'll watch it again now. What? Five stars. Chachi writes, not a fan. Can you imagine being like, this is my favorite movie? 20 times watching this movie?

1:08:35You know that movie when you meet someone and you're starting to kind of fall in love? You're like, oh, do we have the same taste in movies? Like, I want to show you this. Favorite movie on three. One, two, three. Disclosure. Oh, let's spend our lives together.

1:08:50Jason Mantzoukas:This one is written by Paula Pumpkin. did not care for the sex part, but overall the movie's very good and held your interest till the end. Five stars. This one is written like this. Great movie. It shows just how far some women will go to get what they want in the workplace. This is not just a movie. It happens every day in the workplace. If you're charged with sexual harassment, it is a nightmare. When this became a workplace issue, my wife asked me if I knew the definition of sexual harassment, and I said no. And her response was, well, you know what it is? Anything you want it to be. So I'm glad that I retired six years ago.

1:09:35Jason Mantzoukas:By the stars. Wait, meaning this guy was, like, constantly sexually harassing women. I quit that day. She told me that, and I was done. But truly, it was like, my wife and I know that I sexually harass women constantly. My wife gets it. I'm a piece of shit. So those are some of the reviews. Some interesting side facts. I did tell you the movie made 83 here. It made 213 million worldwide. Yeah. So that means, you know, that's giant. The tagline was sex is power. And it was not written, I mean, the novel is written by Michael Crichton, but the screenplay was written by the same guy, Paul Anastasio, who wrote Donnie Brosco and Quiz Show.

1:10:19Jason Mantzoukas:Interesting. Yeah, which is interesting. And then if you do have a kink of watching Donald Sutherland turn into a vampire, then you definitely need to watch this movie. Because that is a scene we didn't really talk about, but is one of the best scenes. Michael Douglas has been traumatized. Oh, yeah. And he has a nightmare where. He has a sexy dream about Donald Sutherland. Coming onto him like a vampire. It's so bizarre that. Wait, I don't think it's like a vampire, though. He doesn't have fangs or anything. He's trying to make out with him. You're right. And I think I took it as like. You thought he was turning into a vampire.

1:10:55Jason Mantzoukas:I thought he was turning into a vampire. No, he's trying to sexually assault him. Oh, geez. I'm an idiot. I love that. Because you know what? I looked at the way he was coming with his mouth. You know, we don't have. They shot it weird. We don't have June here today. Yeah. But I feel like that is. That may have been a good moment. That is a moment. That is like a June moment where she's like, and he was a vampire. I was wondering why no one guy got no. So, yeah, no one could look at that. I was like, what does Paul mean? Because I thought you were maybe referring to another Donald Sutherland role.

1:11:27Oh, no. And I was like, oh, no. Because in my mind, this guy, the merger goes through, the CD-ROM business takes off, and then everything happens. But then it becomes Pan Am, and it's the Hunger Games, and he's President Snow.

1:11:42Jason Mantzoukas:I'm just watching it again. They do it like a very tight perspective. It's like Michael Douglas' POV. Yeah. And then he goes, come on, Bob. Oh, yeah. He comes in for a kiss and it looks like he's going to suck his blood. Yeah, and his tongue is out like before. His tongue is making the first contact. And you thought he was trying to bite his neck for blood. Yeah. I thought he was having a weird dream. Like they're sucking me dry at this company. I did not even pull it together. It's so bizarre that now he also feels like. Well, that's the beauty of a movie like this. It's all over interpretation.

1:12:15Jason Mantzoukas:It's open to interpret. It's all valid. It's all valid. Well, obviously, we normally ask, do you recommend this movie? But I think you need to watch this movie to, or not, you don't need to watch it to enjoy it. But I think it will give another level of enjoyment to. I would say, like, this, the episode that is, I don't know what number it is in season three. But it's later in the season. It's probably, like, episode eight or nine of season three. It's Disclosure, the musical. The other part of that episode is the Queer Eye guys. They Queer Eye Coach Steve. It's like one of my favorite episodes of the show.

1:12:52Jay recommends Coach Steve. And anyway, the point is I can't recommend this movie enough just in general, but also specifically when you watch Big Mouth, the disclosure episode, it will be that much more gratifying.

1:13:08Jason Mantzoukas:And Big Mouth comes out next week on Netflix. What's the actual day? October 4th it drops so this is a great thing to do leading up to watching Big Mouth so that when the season comes out watch it every day can you watch this one out of order I would watch it in order I would let the season because there's some stuff that happens in the episode that are irrelevant to the season so I would wait to watch it until you hit it and who are the stars of the Disclosure musical is that a secret it's not a secret I mean, Nick is, Nick is maybe the other ones. We can. Yes. The other ones. Nick is. Yes. We'll leave the rest a secret.

1:13:49But Nick, maybe the star of the are you guys at all have a Michael Douglas wig. The success of this, like obviously the success of this show, Big Mouth and this season, especially, I think, is everybody's really highly anticipating. Will this will this episode launch a musical disclosure? Like, are you interested in mounting Disclosure the musical? Or are you going to let high schools, or middle schools, I guess, across the country mount productions of Disclosure the musical? Well, you've got to talk to Samuel French about that.

1:14:22Jason Mantzoukas:Smart. Yeah, the book of this would be great. It's going to be. And Mark Rivers wrote all the music for it. How many songs did you guys do? I mean. You've got the power now. You've got the power now. Aggressive Woman likes to be on top. The interpretive blowjob ballet Yes And there's one or two others I can't remember Oh there's a long montage The whole opening It's finally happening We waited so long The opening number is like the opening number It's for the rehearsal or the tryouts for it But there's at least three or four Full numbers In the show I cannot wait It's crazy And I really do recommend And like we talked about this movie being like two hours and 10 minutes, but it goes down smooth.

1:15:10Jason Mantzoukas:It really is. I mean, like I watch it totally like I was like, I'm like a lot of times I'm looking at like how much longer, how much longer. I'm like, no, it tells a story. Well, I mean, it's confused. Well, unlike a lot. Again, a lot of the movies we do are poorly made. Yeah, this is an impeccably constructed movie from the, you know, from great filmmakers, from smart. You know, like this is, it is absolute trash, but it is certainly constructed well. You're not, I wasn't confused. Yeah. Like during The Visitor. I was confused about all of the text. Did you guys fully understand? No, I mean that stuff, I feel like, again, it's like they're just saying gobbledygook.

1:15:51Jason Mantzoukas:I think gobbledygook. Fill in the blank. Oh, and by the way, we didn't even just mention like what emails look like. Oh. Oh, yes. I wrote it down. One of the things I loved about this movie is it opens with the girl, his daughter, going, Dad, you got a email. You got a email. A email. And the emails are written like letters. And she reads it aloud from the beginning to the end. The entire, yells it, I guess, to nobody in the house. Yeah. Almost everybody does that. Almost everybody reads their emails aloud as if, like, they need to comprehend it in a way that is. He also has some great one-sided phone calls, by the way.

1:16:28He's doing some great one-sided phone call cell phone work.

1:16:31Jason Mantzoukas:I mean, yeah, that cell phone, I love, like, all the details. I mean, and it's— Oh, and I love the guy on the boat who's like, remember when cell phones were huge? And he was like, yeah, I was in Wall Street when they were huge. I was Gordon Gekko. Remember, I'm synonymous with those giant cell phones. Now, why at the end of the movie, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, everything happens, why does— Why did— Okay, so they're in the car, and Michael Douglas' daughter says, Daddy, I didn't believe any of the stuff they said about you. Who told the daughter? Who told the daughter? She's probably reading the email.

1:17:04And why?

1:17:05Jason Mantzoukas:Why did they tell? What if the daughter was a friend? What? I thought maybe. Why did they tell, like, a seven-year-old what was going on? It wasn't in the papers. No, I think what they're saying is, like, the kids are. Sponges. She picked it up at home. Kids see what's happening. And just in a weird moment of life imitating art, in 2003, Demi was sued for sexual harassment by her ranch caretaker. He claimed that she fired him after he rejected her advances. Ultimately, she was cleared of all charges. Yeah. But I also feel like I'm sure that ranch was like, this movie. Yeah. Where did I get this idea from?

1:17:46I feel like I.

1:17:47Jason Mantzoukas:The ranch. So, all right. Can I promote one more thing? Yeah, please. I'm also going on a stand-up tour, a middle-aged boy tour this fall all over the country. So I'll be doing shows wherever these guys and June have been running through this wonderful nation. Yes. I'll be following up. It's a great show. I've seen it. Go see it, everybody. I'm very excited to see it. I've seen pieces of it, and it's very good. Where can they go get tickets for that? I think go to NickKroll.com, middle-aged boy tour. I love it. Emily, anything you want to talk about? No, just Big Mouth, very excited, October 4th.

1:18:23I love it. All right. I really, truly do this season of Big Mouth. I'm very pleased with it. I'm very excited. There's some crazy episodes. I cannot wait. Thank you. Thank you.

1:18:30Jason Mantzoukas:Thank you, Nick. Thank you, Emily. Big Mouth is coming back. Season three on Netflix, October 4th. And if you have not picked up June's book, go and get it. It's called Represent, A Woman's Guide to Running for Office and Changing the World. It is fantastic. Give it to a woman in your life who you think should run for office. or if you are that woman, pick up the book and make sure you head on over to tpublic.com. We have amazing shirts, brand new shirts from the tour from our last couple of episodes. A lot of them are on sale right now, so definitely check that out at tpublic.com slash stores slash HDTGM.

1:19:08Jason Mantzoukas:And a big thanks to Averill Halley, who helps us with all of our film choices. Nate Kiley does all of our research. Molly Reynolds, who just chipped in this week and took a lot of information and gave it to me right before the show. Devin, who of course is engineering this entire thing. Cody, one of our producers and everybody here at Earwolf. We appreciate you. Make sure that we hear your voices next week on the mini episode. You can give us a call at 619-PAUL-ASK. That's 619-PAUL-ASK to hear what your thoughts about disclosure are or about your life. We want to hear from you on our mini episodes.

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