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20:20Jason Mantzoukas:We started where we began. We just completed a lap. We ended where we began. Just until you pick up the quarters. Just completed a lap. But once we got there, in that big moment at the end, and they cut to Robert Schell, and he's looking at him, and he smiled. I cried. Oh. I did. I want to be very clear. I cried. I cried a number of times in this movie. I cried a number of times. And in fact, I wrote a note in my notes that was, here's what I would like. Here's what I want for the next Fast and Furious movie. Uh-oh, what do you got? Put Memo in the crew. Justice for Memo Memo is amazing My guy is out here I want him to win I believe that Stallone wrote Memo for Jean-Claude Van Damme Yes Because he had a very Jean-Claude energy That's interesting And I loved how just good vibes Memo was Memo was like You want to fuck my wife?

21:17Jason Mantzoukas:It's cool with me I'm not jealous Memo was fine Memo is the best dude in the world I fucking loved him. And honestly, after he's paralyzed, I think from the waist down, he seems to be taking it in stride. I was like, yes! He keeps, with a smile on his face, he is screaming, I cannot move my legs.

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25:25Jason Mantzoukas:Like, what is it? Is it a story about, like, is it like Rocky? But Rocky plays Mickey. No. It's Rocky playing Rocky. But it's like there's so many variables and you're thrown into so many relationships. When Gina Gershon shows up, I'm like, wait a second. I don't even know how to feel about this. Well, I was so happy she was there. Oh, I loved her. When Gina Gershon showed up in a boot cut low rise. Forget about it. I was like, wow. Let's go back. Can we go back to boot cut low rise? Yeah, I know, Jason, you've said it a number of times on this podcast. You don't like a high rise jean. I don't like it.

26:01Makes no sense. And I don't know, a lot of women have different feelings about it, but I know you love the low-rise Jean era. But she was giving, I'm sorry, that's a wonderful performance. When she said in the mirror after Luke, we haven't talked about Luke yet, that woman whose job I'm not clear on.

26:26Jason Mantzoukas:The reporter who just started flying with them? And it's hanging out in, like, it seems like the pit crew. You got to remember, this is when newspapers had all the money in the world and they could send a reporter on a year-long tour of cart racing. She's just sort of embedded. It's America's fifth biggest racing. But also, I feel like this is one of those movies where when a woman has a man's name, you're like, oh, she's going to be interesting. Oh, yeah. When Gina Gershon, though, said after Luke came in and they had that moment in the bathroom together, great scene. and when Luke was leaving and she goes, your mascara is running and Gina Grishon said something back to her and then she looked in the mirror and said, stupid bitch.

27:07I was like, I love this movie. I love it. And I loved the, all the, it's just a series of romantic triangles that just keep moving like magnets closer together and farther apart.

27:23Jason Mantzoukas:But we're not getting enough information to feel totally invested because it seems like Estella Warren is... Sophia? Or Sophie, I'm not sure. Sophia Simone? Yeah, that's right. Sophia Simone. Oh, wow. Is Beau's girlfriend. He breaks up with her. They're engaged. They're engaged, right? That's the ring she gives back? And then the next night, or maybe let's say two nights later, she's at a bar and she's like, look, I don't want to get in another relationship. And then the next day, they're in a relationship. She's down to clown. Let me ask you a question. No, no, no. I want to ask you a serious question, Jason.

28:01And it might be the same question. Great. What does Sophia want? Oh, what does she want? Oh, that's a great question.

28:13Jason Mantzoukas:What drives Sophia? Oh, wow. I could never tell. I could never tell. I'm like, I don't know what... I mean, I get that she's upset. Well, she... she's like why won't they ever let me compete i'm clearly very talented i gotta fucking go around here all the time i don't even work in the pit crew i could do this and he's not even that impressed leads me to what my what part of my question was which is is she employed in any way in any of the team she seemed right joe hanging around okay so for quite a while i thought she was employed on because they are very loose about who gets headphones. They're very cool about who gets to have headphones so that they can be like, hey, shut up.

29:01Hey, don't you stop talking. Yeah. I thought she was... So I believe... My question, though, was, do you think she and Jimmy? No. Jimmy. The kid. Jimmy Bly. Are they involved romantically, or are they in a... Yes. Do you really think that? Yes, I do. Or are they just hanging out? No. What do you, how do you define hanging out? Hmm. Well, here's why I'm asking. They've had sex. Here's why I'm asking. A thousand percent. How in the world does Sylvester Stallone make a movie in which there is a romantic couple and there is not a sex scene? I don't know. I was upset about it. Well, I will tell you.

29:42Because that is shocking to me, so much so that I was like, they make such a point in the movie of telling him over and over again she's not over beau she's not ready for you that i was like oh maybe they are just hanging out and he wants more and she is as she does goes back to

29:59Jason Mantzoukas:beau i don't know i'll just give you a couple just little things to keep in your head stallone wrote 25 drafts of this script the original 24 too many yep original script 220 pages long shoot it baby shoot it. The original cut of this movie, five hours. What? Stallone used to be best friends with Rennie Harlan, the director. But when the movie shifted focus to Kip Perdue, they never spoke again. Whoa. Oh, was that not the intention, please? No. Okay. So basically, the studio wanted more chip. Kip. Kip. Chip. Kip. And he is the heir to the Purdue fortune? The Purdue chicken? Yeah. And it was odd that he would not let that Purdue chicken on the car.

30:58Jason Mantzoukas:I do want to read this quote because this is pretty much, this is Stallone talking about it. Racings, very much like the world of acting. You got your front runners, and you have your guys that are there for the long race. And you have your other guys that block for people. They're called supporting actors Oh god I disagree Very respectfully I disagree It's all the same kind of situation And you realize you can't be number one You can't be the guy in front all the time So you can lend support And you can help nourish and encourage someone else It's like your experiences live on in someone else If you can find some young actor And you can say listen Don't do this Don't do that and avoid this and avoid that and you share your experiences and then he succeeds, you can say, you know what?

31:52Jason Mantzoukas:I kind of contributed to that. As an actor, you got to learn you can't be number one the hard way. Unfortunately, I did. That's incredible. That's incredible because at the end of the movie, Burt Reynolds says to him, you could have won, couldn't you? and he says, I did. And that's the sentiment that he's trying to get across. And there's such a push-pull in the movie that he clearly needs in the same way as he became into the Rocky movies and the Creed movies, he still wants to have the win. Well, he's not good. He's not going to give it up. And as a matter of fact, I don't mean to do this, but June heard me editing this and was very confused.

32:33Well, I heard you editing in the other room, and I was like, you're editing a scene that I didn't see in this movie.

32:39Jason Mantzoukas:so enjoy this little mashup i think it's self-explanatory obviously two films written by sylvester stallone everybody trips that's okay that's life it's how fast you get up the counts so get up jimmy but get up fast but it ain't about how hard you hit it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward how much you can take and keep moving forward that's how winning is done. Now if you know what you're worth, now go out and get what you're worth. But you've got to be willing to take the hits and not pointing fingers saying you ain't where you want to be because of him or her or anybody.

33:20Cowards do that and that ain't you. You pick up a paycheck to help me out because you didn't help yourself when you had the chance. Why does that make you so much better than me, Joe? Now I start to get a little ahead. I start to get a little something for myself and this happens now i'm asking you as a favor not to go through with this okay this is only gonna end up bad for you and it's gonna end up bad for me and you don't even know what the hell you're talking about you don't know who you are anymore somebody put it in your mind you gotta be perfect every time out and you're a failure well forget that just forget it did the time come for you to be your own man and take on the world and you did but somewhere along the line you changed you stopped being you you let people stick a finger in your face and tell you you're no good and when things got hard you started looking for something to blame like a big shadow and winning it's an attitude so if you trust me now if you trust yourself by the end of the season you'll either be on top or you won't but i guarantee that you're gonna know what jimmy lies with me but until you start believing in yourself you're gonna have a life incredible you know what i gotta tell you though i uh you know i love a simon a lot i like i did i'm sorry that works it works every time yeah works every time and i mean like and by the way i'm like yes, Jess from Gilmore Girls, get it.

34:55Let's go. And in that movie, Stolone, I believe, is playing 39? Yes.

35:02Jason Mantzoukas:He's younger and Balboa. Oh, man. I would love to talk about the denim hat that Gina Gershon wore. Because here's the thing about that hat. I paused when it came on screen. I spent a lot of time with it. Because it was half bucket hat and half like witch's hat. It was something I had never seen before in all my days. Here's the thing. The movie appears to be written by and for rap rock. Including all of the fashions. I mean, when I saw this movie, Music by BT, I was like, wow. This is before they got S. This is before they got S. This is not ringing any bells for me. Guys, that's the best joke of the night.

35:48It's not going to get better than that. I wrote that joke down I didn't say because I was ready for it. There's also so much music in this movie that, like, it's so fascinating that there's no dialogue in the trailer because, like, there's barely any dialogue in the movie. There's so much music that at a point I was like, oh, my Spotify must be on my computer. Like, this can't be the movie. There's never a moment of silence. And it is very disruptive and intrusive music throughout. And that was bizarre. Did you notice, though, once Memo gets paralyzed and is in the hospital, all of Gina Gershon's outfits go to, like, school marm.

36:29She goes from dressing so insanely great in the races, cowboy hats, all sorts of craziness, to, like, I believe, an Amish woman. Yes. Well, now she's living a different life. Okay, because I was really tracking that journey through her clothing, and I was like, she seems so happy and content in that hospital room. I mean, does his dick still work? I'm going to ask that question. I think the answer is yes, based on, like, how content. Did you watch the post-credits scene? No, I didn't know there was a post-credits scene. Oh, yeah, the post-credits scene is all about his dick working.

37:04Jason Mantzoukas:Yeah. It's a pretty exciting scene. She picks three quarters up off the floor. Okay, this all makes sense. Because based on what we had seen before and how... She checks his balls. Quarter, quarter, quarter. Based on what we had seen before about her character, I was like, what's she so happy about? Now I know. Well, she doesn't have to travel anymore. So here's my other question for both of you. Who was the girl backstage who said that she needed to kiss all the podcasters before she had a bet with someone that she could kiss all the podcasters before the show? And you guys both kissed her. Yeah, I mean she asked nicely.

37:48I said you lost.

37:52Who was that woman? What were we to learn from that scene? I was expounding. What was the purpose of having that woman be A, able to get in the pit right as the race is about to start. The only thing I can think is that they're in the five-hour cut that wasn't released. And by the way, release the Stallone cut. Release it. Release it. Release the smooch cut. But in that cut, I imagine it must be established that he is a bit of a womanizer and has many women.

38:27Jason Mantzoukas:I have a feeling Stallone's kind of like in baseball. There's a girl who runs out on the field and she kisses the guys. Wouldn't it be funny in the race car as a girl runs out I think that's right I think that's 100 % right I also think it's there to make us feel like Bo still cares for Sophia Sophia Simone Sophia Simone the swimmer I feel like yes it's meant to be like he's not gonna do that he really is still carrying that torch for her because I think the movie wants us to believe they're supposed to be together they were engaged they were engaged oh yeah Oh, I'm aware. I mean, he broke up with her on a whim.

39:08Jason Mantzoukas:She's like, am I in your way? He's like, yeah, you actually are. Get the fuck out of here. It's like, wow, all right. And then she leaves, and he's like, all right, I'm done. And then Stallone crosses battle lines to go over and give girl advice. He's like, hey, let me tell you. Go talk to her. And he's like, all right, I will. Like Stallone's working both sides of everything. You guys are forgetting it's about the brotherhood of speed. Yes, yes. It's about the brotherhood of speed. And that's what they're all a part of. And you guys don't understand that. Well, now let me ask you this question.

39:37But the women understand it more than even they do.

39:40Jason Mantzoukas:Yes, I agree. And they're okay with it all because they need to pour that champagne in each other's mouths. They need to take that bottle, jerk it so hard, and pour it all in each other's mouth. Give it to me! Give it to me, Jimmy!

39:56Jason Mantzoukas:And then Stallone's like, I gotta get in there too. It does feel like the movie does feel like it's building to some sort of situation. Truly. But I guess the question that I where you just see Gina Gershon and Sophie Simone coming out of the room while the rest of the guys are like partying in there to rap rock. Let them have their weekend. Let the bodies hit the floor. so i guess my question is this and not to be insensitive in any way i was shocked when it was revealed that burt reynolds was in a wheelchair and then when burt reynolds and stallone have their moment was he alluding that stallone paralyzed burt reynolds i think so so is that like the the trajectory is like there's so but but there's so many moments in this movie like that scene where you're like, huh?

40:54Like the moment in the again, where Gina Gershon in that big gala scene is talking to Stallone and she's like, and if you're not going to make it by midnight, you're never going to make it. If you don't do it by midnight tonight, it's never going to happen. And I'm like, what? What is it?

41:12Jason Mantzoukas:She's like, and it seems like and at least, and I don't want to make any aspersions on anyone's whatever, but it seems like that reporter's a little bit more chaste. Like she's not going to... Careful, Paul. I just felt that she was a little buttoned up, forced alone, especially next to Gershon. She had a red bodysuit on that was a little off the shoulder in the pool scene. What are you talking about? Wait. Oh, yeah. The pool scene. Well, she was asking some pretty hard-editing questions. I just felt like... Okay, yeah. She was a little... Compared to Gina Gershon, of course. So, like, Gina Gershon's like, you better fuck this reporter by midnight or it's never going to happen?

41:47Jason Mantzoukas:Is that what she was... Is that what they were talking about? No. No. That's how I took it. Oh, that's what I thought. No. Now, I don't know what she was talking about. I just know she wasn't talking about that. No. No, she was. Because Stallone's, like, talking to her, and then she comes over, and that's why they get upset with each other in the bathroom. Thank you, Vancouver. Thank you. But I don't think... I get symbolism. I definitely don't think that's symbolism, first of all. the symbol of a woman being someone he wants. And then... Wait. Oh. I don't think... Wait. You think that Gina Gershon is saying if you don't fuck this reporter by midnight, you'll never fuck her?

42:31Yeah. That's what you all do, too?

42:35Jason Mantzoukas:Why did... Who fucks before midnight? She knows she has a deadline in the morning. She's got to get up and put her stories... No, she doesn't. She has so many more cities to go to. She's on an endless journey with the CART team. Wow. I'm still furious CART is an acronym. I haven't recovered from that either. But I'm so... Why is Gina Gershon... Why is she tracking that? Whatever. She's taunting him. Thank you. She's taunting him because she's like, I got the better version of you. He's younger. He's better. And she's like, you know what? You left. She's still angry. You left me. The minute I get something going, you come back here and you're messing up with my guy.

43:21Jason Mantzoukas:Here's what's hard. You're really channeling her. You are. Paul, hey, Paul, did Jimmy Tonto hurt you? The minute. I'm going to fuck your brains out. What? Just out of anger. Fuck your brains out. Here's what's interesting about the movie. I'm going to fuck the reporter for you. That's why she's upset. dumb bitch. She's like, yeah. She's like, ah, she would have gotten in there by midnight. Wow. I've never seen Paul this fired up in my life. Wow. Here's the thing. Only a movie written by Stallone. What's so hard in this for both Burt Reynolds's character and Gina Gershon's character is both of them appear to have legitimate grievances with Stallone, but Stallone won't let the facts of those grievances become part of the movie's narrative.

44:16I agree. That's exactly right. So they aren't allowed to say, here's how you hurt me, here's how I'm still hurting because of you. They instead have to be, you're secretly the hero we need. And in fact, what's so shocking to me in the movie is that when Jimmy, not Jimmy, when the kid, is the kid's name Jimmy? the American guy when the kid and Bo go to save Memo right in my mind and I wrote in my notes I'm shocked that Stallone allowed an act of heroism to happen that he wasn't a part of but when the newscaster at the end of the movie is reporting on the event that happened he includes Stallone's character as one of the three heroes who saved Memo's life.

45:09Come on. That is Stallone all the way. And if you want to understand America, this is the Rosetta Stone. The Rosetta Stallone. Put that in. Put that in. Black it out. The show's over. Go home, idiots. So, but by the way... The Rosetta Stallone absolutely is a t-shirt that I make. I love that.

45:39Jason Mantzoukas:I mean, I think we got the shirt. In the original script, Bo did not try to rescue Memo. And then Rennie was like, it made him look heartless. And then Stallone rewrote the scene with just Jimmy saving Memo. And then the scene was re-shot again. And then Tonto was in it. But Rennie Harlan digitally erased him. Whoa!

46:05Jason Mantzoukas:Oh, there's so much good drama. And that's why they don't talk. Now, when we talk about... By the way, by the way, I mean, congrats to Renny Harlan. Because that must have been very hard to do, to go up against a loan like that. And it's better for the movie to erase him out of the thing. Look, I never get new glasses because why? They're expensive, right? Guess what? That's where Zenni comes in. Zenni is an online eyewear shop with stylish prescription glasses, sunglasses, and customizable lens options at prices that make it easy to own more than one pair, all starting at under$30. Now, I'll be honest.

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50:47fuel boost oil battery i have to say i do think we saw a number of very serious cart crashes where very believable very believable very serious cart crashes and i question the announcers and how they're reporting on these crashes because they seem excited not only that but when the most brutal crashes happen, they put in the sound effect of the crowd roaring. Does that happen?

51:21Jason Mantzoukas:Well, you know what? I know one thing that I thought was pretty great, which is this. I guess Rennie Harlan forgot to tell all the extras which way to look because there was one scene in the biggest crash scene. This woman just kind of checking it out over here. Maybe she's turning away. She doesn't want to look. By the way, I found it really irresponsible that given how many crashes we've seen and how many carts we've seen flying over, over other carts, out of the raceway, into ponds, into all sorts of places. Don't know. But all sorts of different places. I was like, how dare you set up a children's playground?

52:07Not 10 feet from the racetrack.

52:10Jason Mantzoukas:Those cars are flipped. Tires are flying up. But here's the thing. When Kip Perdue crashes, that's a pretty gnarly crash. He's like, I'm okay. Got it. See you later. I'm going to go. Just like walks out of that. The best part of this movie for me was the emotional climax of like seeing our hero. Sorry, Sly, Kip Perdue. Seeing him get prepared to get in that car for that last race. And seeing our hero jump on his foot. Ten times. Ten times. Like, riveting. Each jump, riveting. Now, in the original script, it was 15 times. Couldn't believe it. That's a cut too far, Paul. I am going to go out into the audience.

52:57Jason Mantzoukas:I'm going to talk to people. If you are a cart racer, you have to let me know. You have to let me know. All right, I'm going to go over to Jafar, our friend from Boise. Oh, yeah. Jafar, great costume. Great work. All right, here we go. Okay, it's the real Burt Reynolds. I have to put on my headset. I love it. Great. So, what do you got, Jafar? Well, I have props. And I can also speak to a couple issues. So one, the simulator scene is literally just him playing the PS2 game that came with this, which is absolute garbage because I bought it. And I also bought the DVD and watched that hour deleted scenes with commentary from Sylvester Stallone.

53:37Sly, at the beginning of the deleted scenes, he says, this is a movie about relationships and love and people and for whatever reason the studio did not want us to tell those stories and then the entire hour of deleted scenes is just like exposition dumps and fucking. So that's where it is. Wait, so there's fucking? Yeah, you want it? Oh, that's great. Oh, that's cool. And then, yeah, that's pretty much the most notable thing. I love it.

54:03Jason Mantzoukas:Jafar, your best performance today. Thanks, Jafar. Great work. Thanks so much. Great work. Wow. Well, I'm glad to know that at least sex scenes were filmed because I couldn't wrap my head around there not being sex scenes. What a poor thing to do as an actor. You're like, I had to shoot that sex scene with Stallone and no one even got to see it. Is it a positive or a negative? I don't know. Our other costume character over here. Hi. Wow, this is amazing. All right, so what's your name? My name is Bryn. Okay, Bryn, what's your question? um it's not a question it's more i read through the production notes and apparently in that street racing scene it was all shot practically with stallone driving here's what he said about it in that chase scene i was rushing through a tunnel at 160 miles per hour which is 260 kilometers per hour and i was no no no no cut that part out cut it out cut it out don't release it in the podcast this podcast is not this podcast does not recognize the metric system if anybody else converts a goddamn number we're out of here we're we're done he continued i wasn't wearing a helmet i realized my ears were touching the back of my head the g forces were unbelievable and that's not even talking about the freezing cold and my ability inability to see anything without a visor i call bullshit i don't think that happened i know that you found it but i think it's all bullshit no no i i really said it oh i believe he said it i believe he said it i don't believe it for an instant but other people so other people also back him up.

55:49Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they were talking about how the stunt team, this was shot in Toronto, and it was like very precisely choreographed. A single boo for Toronto? I mean, yeah. Oh, now, late to the party. When we were there, they had some shit to say about you. They said their trees are too big.

56:17Jason Mantzoukas:by the way can you just say what you just said to me because it's worth it oh i said i was in toronto they didn't say anything about vancouver

56:31Jason Mantzoukas:all right so he did definitely do it i appreciate this is great all right amazing thank you so much let me go back here all right thank you for a sold out show here vancouver sold out crowd Hi, how are you? What's your name? I'm Sam. This is my wife, Kelsey. Hi. Are we introducing spouses now? I don't know. He said it as if I felt like, did I ask? Are we at your wedding? Tell me who you're here with, what you're wearing, and your favorite food, and then your question. Yes. Yeah, so my wife watched through the deleted scenes and the commentary from Stallone, and he mentions that his character had this deep backstory with scars, and he had to wake up and drink and use pain pills to get going and we got really into it do you think this movie would have been way better if it really did hit that five-hour scene do you think it got to that avengers infinity war level or was it really just like that lost tape is something but what you describe doesn't feel like it it just would need to be slightly injected into this film right like well imagine if this film had portrayed stallone the way the wrestler portrayed mickey roar yeah You know, wouldn't that be, wow, wouldn't that be impactful, bringing someone that wrecked, someone who is having to take pain pills, someone who is truly demolished?

57:47That would be incredible. But again, he is 37 and thriving in this movie, despite the fact that he is very visibly a 55-year-old man. All right, you are wearing a cart shirt.

58:00Jason Mantzoukas:A 2001 cart shirt from Portland, autographed. Autographed by multiple cart racers. Whoa. Please take a picture of this. What's the origin of the shirt? I was a big cart fan. My family and I traveled around and watched. Okay, okay. Wait, time out, time out. Because I knew after this podcast was released. Where have you been? I felt the message boards lighting a fire. and I knew you people were out there and you were going to have things to say about us and to us. What a missed opportunity. You are the Morgan of Dungeons and Dragons for kart racing. And by the way, how are you doing post-extinction?

58:43We're okay. We're getting into IndyCar now. That's okay.

58:46Jason Mantzoukas:Can you, for the lay people, just, because it looks to me like F1. Well, it's American so they're slower and they're they like hang on hang on

59:07they love to crash they're every

59:10Jason Mantzoukas:oh so crashing is a part of it so when they are cheering that's a thing that's a thing like a hockey fight exactly which is something you understand wait can I ask Yeah. Do people die? There have been deaths, but... Name them. Well, just because it seems like the way the drivers are getting ready and picking up their photos and saying goodbye and doing all their things, it seems like they are prepared to die every race. And the safety things that got added, people kind of fought against those safety things. Strange. Yeah. Wow. Is this a sport that now, do you now follow one of the subsequent, like F1?

59:57I follow F1 mostly, yeah. Okay. And it has F1. Okay, so let me ask this. When this was popular, okay, actually, was this popular? Did you see this? Was this popular?

1:00:08Jason Mantzoukas:Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, but did you go see Driven? I saw Driven with my whole family when it came out, and we were stoked, because all of our favorite drivers are in the movie. That's what I was wondering. In that sequence where they're dropping off their kids at the daycare center, which is just mere feet from the racetrack, those are all real drivers. Well, they want their kids to be able to watch them die. Yeah, I understand that. I understand that. So, yeah. Paul Tracy, Canadian. He drops his kids off. We see Mario Andretti. Max Pappas, who signed my shirt, dies in the movie because he crashes.

1:00:47Wait, is he Greek, Max Pappas? Are there Greek car racers? I doubt it. Well, this is amazing. Wait, do you have any other insights? Because you now have the microphone, anything we've misrepresented, or any, by the way, you can just be like, fuck no, I'm done talking. The crashes are not that big. Okay. It's usually like a wheel falls off and someone spins. Someone isn't launched into a pond one acre away.

1:01:21Jason Mantzoukas:Am I, I don't want to put this on, and I'm not saying this is what you're saying. Is this hillbilly F1? Great question, Paul. I would say it's NASCAR and F1 had a baby. It would be cart. Okay. So then the answer is yes, hillbilly F1. Wow. Thank you so much for that. Thank you. Give it up Give it up for a cart hero Thank you Every Canadian hits it out of the park With their questions Alright, you, hi, what's your name? My name's Colin Colin, what's your question? Really quick, is there a possibility That Sylvester Stallone had a bit of a fetish With watching his lady be with another guy? because it feels like that's what this movie is really about.

1:02:16I wrote this note. Seems to be a sport that is predicated a lot on everybody cucking each other.

1:02:26Jason Mantzoukas:We all get in different race cars. Why can't we get into different women? Hey. You've always said that, babe. You've always said that. Again. Always said that. You said that's going to be the t-shirt, I promise. And I don't think anybody wants it. I think everybody wants it. Everybody wants it. Everyone's going to wear it. Thank you. now um here's what i will say uh what happened when memo goes back to his memo's like hey buddy you're the best you're the best you're the best and he goes back in the trailer and stares at himself from the glass table yeah i thought he was going to do coke but i did too i was like and then we don't what do you think the symbolism of that is this is a great question i'm known for my detailed analysis of symbolism.

1:03:09Jason Mantzoukas:The glass table is a mirror and it's a reflection of himself and he hates it. Yeah, it was like, it was a weird moment because it's not what I wanted from Memo. You know? Well, he's putting on such a brave face for everybody because he's been demoted. You know, he's not going to race because Sly's back and he's giving everybody the, it's fine, you're my brother. I'm so happy you're back. I love everybody. I'm Memo, blah, blah, blah. Then he goes into the thing and it's like, boy. I guess that's true. He is the dark twin. We see the dark twin in the mirror. We do. And then also we see that dark twin come out and race.

1:03:49Yes. Where he can't be a supporting actor. No. He tries to be number one. And I was confounded in the hospital scene when Memo is there with Jimmy. Memo says to Jimmy, I made a mistake. I'm a guy who made a mistake. And Jimmy says, no, you didn't. You didn't make a mistake. Yeah, he did. Yeah.

1:04:09Jason Mantzoukas:Yes, he did. Agree. Agree. I am in the balcony. Be careful, Paul.

1:04:19Jason Mantzoukas:Balcony monsters, welcome. How are you? Good to see you. Hey, how are you? I'm good, thank you. Okay, what's your question? As a Toronto native, I just wanted to say... Boo! Boo! My question is... Give your balls a tug. All right. I tried it. Okay. My question is, do we think that Burt Reynolds signed on if he could only sit the entire... I thought the same thing. I was like... They realized early on, you know what? They can't do a walk and talk throughout this crowd of people as they put me in a chair. Yeah. I was actually shocked that he... Oh, wait, hold on. We got a good joke over here. Go ahead.

1:05:06Jason Mantzoukas:No, no. I think it is. It sounded like I was being sarcastic. Hold on. We got a good jerk. Not jerk. Wait, Paul, are you safe? Say the safe for you. I am safe. And now I've put too much spin on it, but it's good. We have a good joke over here. Go for it. I called him Inert Reynolds. Wait. I'm sorry. I messed it up. Wait, what's happening? We called him Inert Reynolds, and it was great. It just got destroyed by... It was too... It was too delayed. It was too delayed on my part. I would have been so happy if all of our leads were in wheelchairs at the end. To me, as a final shot, I would have been thrilled.

1:05:49Yes.

1:05:51Jason Mantzoukas:Guys, it's getting crazy up here. I've seen three cans of canned Gatorade. Wait, of canned Gatorade? I didn't know it came in cans. Everybody, what? gotta get their electrolytes did you raise your hand? what's your name? I'm Avery, how are you doing? good, what's your question? first off, Jason, you say Canadians are nice yeah, that's what you think, we're nice until we're not such a nice way to put that and also in the bar scene when Estella Warren enters she's wearing this really nice white jacket then later when she walks up to the bar she's wearing something completely different Now, do we think that's just a continuity flaw, or do we think she deliberately changed clothes in the bathroom just so she could come up and talk to Jimmy Blanc?

1:06:36See, I wonder if there were sex scenes in between that we didn't get to see. I agree. I think that just means there are cut scenes. For you and for the woman over there, who clearly, that was the most important part of the movie for her. Never has this woman felt more seen in her life than what this dildo said up there. These two people connected. Get rid of this turd.

1:07:04Jason Mantzoukas:I've never spent this much time in the back row, but I'm going to give it another shot. Here we go. What do you got? This one is for June. I specifically want your opinion on why when Bo is dying to get his girl back, instead of making a grand romantic gesture, why do you think he just chose a very public event and they just make small chit-chat and he just pulls out a ring and is like, hey, want to get back together? god well june you you can speak to this because that's what happened with us right i know it's so hard because i related so hard i related so hard i mean it's it's so that's why i asked earlier what does sophia simone want because she does she does go back with him pretty quick and I don't know why.

1:07:51He's German? Yeah. Oh boy. I don't understand it at all. I did feel like that scene, all of the scenes especially that were about that stuff were just illustrating, and again, I guess this is coming from Stallone, how profoundly these men do not understand their own emotions. They only understand the car, the race, the whatever. Even Bo is like, he says to Stallone, I pushed her away. I don't know why. These men are emotionally at zero. Their emotional intelligence is at a zero. And at the end of the movie, they're at like a two. Barely, Jason. And we are like, what heroes? To forego winning? To save a human life?

1:08:42We act like, isn't that incredible what they did? No! The bar is so low. It's a human thing to do. But the bar is so low. I was like, wow, they're great. Great guys.

1:08:52Jason Mantzoukas:I want to tell you, I was like, why? Why are they doing that? There's people out there that are paid to do that. Well, Paul, I did raise the question of like where the rescue teams were. Yeah. Why plans weren't in place. Well, they say in the thing that it's a difficult area to get to because it's a swamp that is one kilometer away from the track. That's actually where they built Alligator Alcatraz. Get careful. I'll send you there right now. You don't think I can't send you there right now? One thing we didn't talk about is the fact that as they're on their tour, their cart tour, every country they go to, there's a giant flag.

1:09:34Oops. Oh, sorry. No, there's a giant flag of the country right by whatever the first scene is. like this when you're by the pool and it doesn't need to be at the track where you might think it would be even though there's been a chyron on screen that says where exactly they are we need a sense of scope, we need a sense of traveling, they understand that the people watching this movie are absolute morons

1:10:04Jason Mantzoukas:I do want to show this one thing that I think is so great here, hold on While you look forward, I can read a few things. This is, I wrote, ever since I have started dictating my notes while I watch the movie into my phone, my note taking has changed in these ways. Here's one. I'm sobbing in my room at these men trying to save Memo under the water. Even as I dictate this, my voice is quivering. and then somehow after all that 35 minutes left question mark exclamation point then I wrote sobbing again at in quotes don't see you, see me memo got me with that one don't see you, see me don't see that this could happen to you just see that, wow memo fucking got me man that's when I was like put memo in fast and furious you know crying no I'm okay I'm okay but I do wonder like are we okay I also cried during this movie are we okay don't see you see me cry for help sobbing in a hotel room in Vancouver Canada which is a sentence I hope to never say again um all right you know we obviously had a lot to say about this movie but now it is time for a second opinion hey i'm uh i'm bobby now it's time for second opinions gonna share some drama with my homie tall john and hear the crowd ooh for june and jay son gotta give it five stars because the movie was hype but if you're gonna ask a question paul holds the mic we got stallone grinning the camera spinning took 55 minutes just to reach the beginning and the movie is driven, but the plot is going nowhere.

1:12:01Camera's so zoomed in, I can count Noah's hairs. Gina Gershon rocking a denim hat. You can give it one shot, but you'll never top that. That's why I love Rennie Harlan. So the mission at large, get on Amazon and give the movie five stars. Whoa! Yeah! You're holding that head. Everybody. Wow. When I say April, y 'all say Hallie. April? Hallie! April? Hallie! When I say win this, y 'all say battle. Win this. Win this. We love you, April. Thank you so much.

1:12:36Jason Mantzoukas:That's amazing. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. 3 ,293 total reviews. 79 % of them are five star. These are cold from Amazon. Christy Churchill writes in 2008, I have watched my VHS copy of Driven Raw. Hang on. Hang on. What does that mean? I'll be honest, I watched it much the same way. But that's how I watch most of our movies. Without protection. That's why I'm getting it on DVD now. I was reading some reviews from the people who gave this film one star. Well, they're saying, oh, well, this can't happen, and that's not real. Well, all I have to say is, Superman isn't real.

1:13:30Jason Mantzoukas:Spider-Man isn't real. And I bet you watch those movies. My point is, it's a movie. It's made to entertain you. If you want real, watch a real thing. What? Not a movie. Yeah, the storyline might be like Days of Thunder, but hey, In this movie, you get Stallone. What could be better than that? Five stars. Title? Action! John, in 2015, writes, I love this movie. The sound is phenomenal. If you have a pair of 5.1 or above headphones, you need to own this movie. If you have a 7.1 or higher setup, you need to own this movie.

1:14:21If you have your center speaker hooked up to 76 dBs or above, this movie's second act will be incredible.

1:14:30Jason Mantzoukas:Helen McGill in 2014 writes, is a good movie if you like fast cars and drinking. Is there drinking in the movie? I don't think there's... I would argue there's almost no drinking in the entire movie. Five stars driven. Do you think that's because the person watching the movie was drinking? I think so. I think she's like, if you're drunk, you're going to love this. If you like fast cars and drinking, that's the only way to get through this piece of shit. Wow. Any final thoughts on the film Driven? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, still so many basic questions. like when the first sequence happened with stallone and jimmy and he i don't know what he did he pulled out in front of him and slowed down or something that happened in f1 too it was the same scene from f1 but he was so mad that he had done that and was like i'm never going to do that again but what did he do he slowed down the race so the other guy would win he basically not what he's supposed to do as a supporting actor?

1:15:38Jason Mantzoukas:He's not a blocker, June. Not a goddamn blocker. What do you think? He's a supporting actor? June, he's a character actor? He's only 37.55. But I guess this is what my question is. I don't know as that second racer. He's a blocker, June. What is he supposed to be doing? He is. No, you're right. Burt Reynolds is asking him to be, to not try and win, and he's asking him to do a shady thing, which is he's asking him to pit when he doesn't need to pit so that he can exit in front of Bo. I call that strategy. I agree, but it seems like there is a code amongst the drivers. The Brotherhood of Speed. The Brotherhood of Speed says you can fuck my wife, but you cannot cut me off from the pit, bro.

1:16:26Amen. I will watch you fuck my wife, but you better not come out of the pit at me, bro.

1:16:34Jason Mantzoukas:Because if you fuck my wife, that's fair. but if you do that, it's unfair. I'm just looking at the number of pedestrians that must have died during this. Justice for memo. The rain race. I'm going to go out on a limb and say they shouldn't have races in the rain. Why would they have started that? Every single driver is like, I cannot see. Okay, call it. But that is something that happens in the F1 movie too is that they're driving in slippery conditions. Sometimes the rain happens. You know what was shocking? Okay, go ahead. I was going to say the one moment I just want to spend And just a second on is a reporter at one point says to one of the guys, I don't know, he says, what would you do if you win?

1:17:14Jason Mantzoukas:And then he goes, I'd throw a party. Oh, my God. Like the reporter volunteers. That was the best moment. He said, that was, I want a sequel just about that reporter. That was, that really made me laugh. I'd throw a party. Thanks. Okay, sir. what's incredible is that we have a full three-dimensional understanding of the team from burt reynolds to jimmy to joe tonto to memo to the whole thing we don't know anybody else's team at all we know beau as an individual we don't know his coaches at all there are no bad guys in the movie, period. Well, Robert Sean Leonard. Okay, yes. A craven agent slash brother?

1:18:03I loved when he said, like, how dare you? I deserved more than that as a manager. I was like, you know, buddy. Wait a second.

1:18:11Jason Mantzoukas:Wait a second. I'm just realizing something that I put together in that scene in the trailer. He goes, when I watched you in that go-kart lap those kids, he goes, you were a 13-year-old. I was like, oh, I thought it was like a Chuck E. Cheese or something like that. I did too. No, this is like one of these cars. They were like doing racing like this, yeah. By the way, I laughed so hard at how small Stallone's trophy was. Oh. That. I laughed. And that he brought it to the gala to give to Jimmy. And that then later, Jimmy had it with him. He's holding it. Like a talisman. It's the tiniest little thing you ever did see.

1:18:48Jason Mantzoukas:It makes no sense. Maybe Stallone likes little things so he feels bigger. by the way i bet you're right stallone this is a life-size trophy for normal people whoa i'm pretty big i'm a pretty big guy if this is a this for a big if normal people is big i'm a big you know you know what was crazy to me in the memo death scene memo goes memo's car goes like vertical at one point you then get memo's point of view you are given both memos eyes and then you see Memo's point of view. I was like, whoa! We're about to die in the movie. We're about to be... This is the only time we've gotten Memo's point of view.

1:19:32We're about to watch the life get snuffed from him. And I was fucking turned on. No, that was a crazy moment. I was like, what is Rennie Harlan... By the way, without Rennie Harlan, this movie is absolute dog shit. the fact that it's even coherent at all is due to him entirely he is an absolute legend for how

1:19:57Jason Mantzoukas:did this get made yeah we love rennie harlan and he says i don't like this movie so um would you recommend it yes absolutely yeah sure me too that's three across the board um i mean jesus this is so fun you know this is a blast and again it flew by when there were 40 minutes left i was like i was also like how well you know how is that possible i was watching part of it on the plane on my phone right right and i stopped because i was like i gotta wait until i'm at the hotel to walk watch this on the big screen which has never happened and boy was i glad i did vancouver you have been amazing this has been a fantastic show this has been how did this get made we love it jason manzoukas june diane raphael i am Paul Scheer.

1:20:50Jason Mantzoukas:I'll be out in the lobby signing books. Just give me like four or five minutes. All right. Thank you, everybody. Eat shit, Vancouver. Thank you, Vancouver. What a show. Thank you, Vogue Theatre. Canada, we loved being back inside of you. That sounds dirtier when I say it out loud. You can get our very special brand new t-shirt that says Rosetta Stallone. It is one of my favorite designs that we have done. I know I've been saying that a lot recently, but they're all honest. I love this one, though. Head over to HDTGM.com. You can click on our merchandise link there. You can also get yourself a How Did This Get Made hat.

1:21:26Jason Mantzoukas:I also want to shout out Bobby, one of our Second Opinion singer from this episode, with that beautiful song about Averill Halle. That was absolutely wonderful. Thank you for that. Averill is still in the fight with cancer and, you know, from the last reports, seemingly really making some strides. But she still needs some love. And if you want to show her some of that love, you can send her a message at andrew at moviebitches.xyz. or you can mail her something at Averill Halley, P.O. Box 641, Agora Hills, California, 91376. Nothing perishable, nothing scented. As always, if you have a correction or omission about this Stallone summer madness, if you want to get in there and talk about Driven, then you can leave me a voicemail at 619-P-A-U-L-A-S-K or write a comment on our Discord at discord.gg slash hdtgm.

1:22:26Jason Mantzoukas:People, tonight, right now, this is the weekend of June Diane Rayfield. That's right. She is in Weapons and Freakier Friday, two great films. I'm loving Weapons. Weapons is like Paul Thomas Anderson meets John Carpenter. Truly worth seeing in the theater. And remember, if you love this show, then you are definitely following us on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. It does help. So please do it. Check right now. And last but not least, I got to thank our entire team to who this show would not be done. I am talking about our producer, Scott Sonny, Molly Reynolds, and our movie-peaking producer, Avril Halley, and our engineer, Casey Holford.

1:23:06Jason Mantzoukas:That's all I got. We'll see you next week on Last Looks. Bye for now. How to discredit. Eros.

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