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20:18Jason Mantzoukas:Yes. And the person has somebody has to like the only time it's cool is when the parachute isn't open and the person gets all tight. And he's like, like zoom. Yes. Well, there's one cool shot, too, of Gary Busey. I think one of the bad guys thought it was him. When he before he pulls his parachute out, he corkscrews down like the into a cloud, like truly. And I was like, OK, that's cool. But that was it. It's just like when they have to like rescue each other. They end up basically just trying to get into a like a 69 position. Yes. They're always throwing their legs over. They're always doing like mid-air 69.

21:02And I'm like, this is not cool.

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24:31Jason Mantzoukas:They're parachuting into the middle of cities. Yes. Nobody sees them. So obvious. It's so obvious. And by the way, nobody sees them. But in this is a movie where nobody sees or reacts to anything. In the opening of the movie, which we've discussed, Wesley Snipes and his brother are marshals. They're escorting a prisoner on a 747. And as a number of people say in the movie, there is a jailbreak in the midair on a 747. And what's happening is everybody's in their seats. And then whatever the timer goes off and whatever, six or eight people just start putting gas masks on and loading guns and everybody else in the plane is like what's that what's going and then there are gunshots and wesley snipes still is like what's going on something's up i feel like something's up nobody has nobody is good enough to be like something's wrong you know i mean like nobody usually the cop or the the hero is kind of has like an intuition or an understanding the only reason why wesley snipes gets up is because the flight attendant tells him that, you know, that something's going on and she needs to bring it or flirts with him.

25:41He gets up. It's really. And by the way, I do want to spend some time talking about whether whether Wesley Snipes and his brother are good marshals.

25:52Jason Mantzoukas:Oh, this is this is a great question. Yeah, because, well, first of all, I was trying to also think, like, they do present Wesley Snipes when he is doing, in the bathroom sequence later on, all these, he takes on two guys, he's got a lot of moves, hand -to-hand cop, he's doing all this stuff, and I'm like, don't U.S. Marshals just escort people on planes? And aren't they just, like, armed security guards? Well, they're sort of there. I mean, I think there's a and somebody will correct me. I don't think they are air marshals, i.e. They're on airplanes just making sure everything's OK. I think they're U.S.

26:32Marshals like putting prisoners for sure. But yes. And like hunting down escaped prisoners and like like justified like Raylan Givens on justified. They are.

26:41Jason Mantzoukas:They don't seem to have any control. Michael Jeter is sitting on an aisle seat that Michael Jeter is the the escaped or the the prisoner that they're trying to project from evening shade. That's how I remember him. And he, you remember like, that's how I, he's so burnt into my head. Cause I hated that show as a kid, but I just remember him on that show. But, but like they don't seem to be, and he's your classic nerd character. He's a nerd. They kidnapped the nerd so that he's a computer hacker. So, and I, not enough was done with Michael Jeter because they keep forcing him to do skydiving, which is very funny.

27:18Jason Mantzoukas:Because they need to force him to do skydiving to get him ready to parachute onto buildings so they can do the break-in to steal different things. And they need him to be, like, modulated. Like, he needs to be calm enough to be able to do his computer hacking. That was funny. It was so funny. Can I just say, though, I feel like there's easier ways to get into that building. The funniest part was they go through the trouble of having fake uniforms, fake security uniforms under their sky suits. It's like, well, you should have just tried to get in the building that way. Or maybe if you need it, maybe one incredible skydiver gets access and then lets everybody else in on the ground.

28:05Like the idea that the entire team, including the computer hacker, who is not part of the team, they just they just stole from a prison transport. The fact that they need him, they need everybody to skydive is so funny in a way that is like wild. It's the same era. I feel like was treating stuff like bungee jumping in a sense. Like, like I almost felt like and now I guess it would be those squirrel suits. those those uh face jumping to us it was presented to us as though it was like oh you can use a scooter you can use your rollerblades you can use i guess you could walk you could drive take a bus or you could skydive yeah yeah well i mean the other thing is don't

28:51Jason Mantzoukas:they also like set up this moment where they meet this one guy and then he looks like he's falling off the building like oh he's got a secret parachute on you mean swoop paul do you mean Swoop. I'm sorry, Swoop. Swoop won't even talk to you. Swoop is, I fucking love Swoop. Swoop from Homicide on the Street. Oh, yeah. But Swoop won't talk to you unless you do a jump with him, and it's got to be a good jump. Because that's the distinction, because he does do a jump with Wesley, and he still doesn't talk to him. He does at the very end. At the very end, he calls him by his first name, and that is like, okay, he's in.

29:23No, I don't want to sound like my father, John Raphael, but I couldn't tell one of these guys from the next. When they presented Swoop like, oh, look at this character, this new character. I'm like, well, I'm so sorry. He looks exactly the same as the last five that I just saw. And part of the problem was that we are like, for example, let's just continue to use Point Break as the as the thing. It is Gary Busey and Keanu Reeves are the police. They insert Keanu Reeves into the bad guy crew, right? But in this movie, Wesley Snipes needs to have his own crew of sky. So there's two different full sets of skydiving crew.

30:07That's right. So you're looking at like 10, 11, sometimes 12 people in very similar looking jumpsuits.

30:16Jason Mantzoukas:Who also have no real character. I mean, it's Gary Busey and it's the other woman. There's a bad woman and there's a good woman. And then there is like Swoop. And then everybody else is just like bald guy. This guy. Jagger. Jagger who gets killed. Yancy's ex. Swoop who's got a beard. There's good looking blonde guy. And there's little Frank Grillo. You know. Well, it was just hard because it's also like at one point, Wesley's like really upset in that bathroom scene and has a line like, Like, you fucked with my team. You fucked with me. Something like that. And I was like, your team? Yeah. Your team?

30:59Oh, okay. Did I miss half of the movie? Yeah. And then he also doesn't really seem to skydive in that final sequel. Like, it doesn't lead up to him really being a part of the team. You're right. Until the very end. With Gary Busey when he. Yes. Because the guy gets, you know, like. Well, can I ask, though? Yes. How is it possible? So Gary Busey falls out. They fall together. And then Gary Busey goes shooting toward the ground. And then somehow, though, goes travels sideways into a car into no into the truck that is being driven by his guy, which is also padded.

31:42Jason Mantzoukas:It's a padded truck. So they did have to put like a bunch of mattresses on all sides because it is a real stunt. And I was like, oh, man, this is painful. because they are clanking into the side of this open-ended truck. I mean, what I think is supposed to be happening, we're meant to believe that all the bad guys are going to parachute into this truck, and that's their getaway. Their getaway is this truck full of mattresses, but instead, Gary Busey just goes crashing through the front of it. Somehow, against all physics, he turns sideways and starts to move sideways. That really, it really made me laugh.

32:19Jason Mantzoukas:I also had a question about, like, I want to go back to one thing. Sure. Physics in this movie and things that, like, they're overcomplicated, right? There's a lot of overcomplications. We talked about how the skydivers are doing this, like, not mid-air rescue, but like a mid-air prisoner escape plan, right? They put explosives on the emergency exit door, which has a handle that would open. And in my thought process, it would cause the same thing. If you were to open the emergency exit in the middle of a flight and 30 ,000 feet, you're still going to get the same thing. To put explosives on the door.

32:54Oh, he's crazy. But my guess is you can't. They're trying to say, like, oh, you can't open doors once it's at that height or once it's at that height. You have to blow it. You have to blow it. But I agree with you, Paul. There were things about that plan that really I couldn't stop thinking about the whole movie because it was so bizarre. They wanted it to seem like Leedy, the nerd, was dead. Right? That he didn't make it out. And that they were dead. And that they were dead. The hijackers. Which is why he had to bite off his finger.

33:25Jason Mantzoukas:Michael Jeter's finger is bitten off, which is a really crazy moment. I was like, whoa. It's a real Peter Pettigrew moment here. this is clearly the single finger absolutely stolen by J.K. Rowling for Harry Potter but I didn't understand though like so they say oh we found his remains it's like well no you found a finger are we drawing conclusions that people are dead based on one finger and then I was confused so many people watch that that are alive landed yeah Yeah. And why didn't they say, because they said the hijackers were dead, but all those people also saw them jump out of the plane. Yes, why didn't any single passenger on a full plane say, I saw six people jump out?

34:17What? They looked like they had sky suits on, diving suits. And the only reliable person they can talk to is like an eight-year-old girl? What? What? By the way, one of my pet peeves in movies, and this is just like, I've seen it a bunch, where they will write something for a little girl, and it includes a stuffed animal, and it's an important piece of the scene. And so she has a stuffed animal on the plane, and then when Wesley Snipes goes to talk to her, to ask her what she saw, he brings her another stuffed animal.

34:53Jason Mantzoukas:Oh, yeah. Which is never going to be replaced the other one. You can tell it's written that way in a script, But for whatever reason, they cast, and that's like for a six-year-old, five-year-old, maybe a seven-year-old. But then they cast like a 10-year-old. Just a little too old. You know? Or an 11-year-old. And you're watching this girl snuggle with the stuffed animal. And I can't tell you the cringe I feel. I'm just like, oh no, you're too old to have that. And this scene where I'm supposed to feel like, oh, that's sweet. I'm asking so many questions about why you're interacting and you're in that type of dialogue with this stuff.

35:33My question would be and perhaps a bit of a miscalculation in terms of what a girl this age would want. But nonetheless, a good thing to bring something for the girl in order to like hopefully engender good feelings and get information that you need. But maybe, hey, maybe take your sunglasses off.

35:56Jason Mantzoukas:Oh, he intimidates the hell out of her. Maybe take your sunglasses off and look this girl in the eye. Make eye contact with her. It doesn't feel safe to be interrogated by a sunglasses wearing guy who's just giving you a stuffed animal. As June and I have been coaches of AYSO soccer, like one of the main rules in the book is don't wear your sunglasses when you're coaching these kids. You've got they have to see your eyes. And Wesley Snipes, you know, to me, is treating this girl like she's a 30 year old woman. Like there is like he's like, yeah, he's a stuffed animal. But she's she's been traumatized.

36:33Jason Mantzoukas:I mean, oh, yeah. You say you got the creeps seeing the bear. I got the creeps when they just did a lingering shot of her on the gurney being wheeled into the ambulance. I'm like, we don't need to see this little girl on a gurney for this long. And by the way, I still I don't even want to talk. I still was confused about why they didn't just like why didn't they go into the manifest, the passenger manifest and find the names. Well, they shut it down. The computer started to make it all wonky. That's exactly what they were trying to do in the virus, the computer virus. I'm sorry. I forgot about the computer virus.

37:05This has this movie has like act one is a blast because it is it is this crazy plane. Which I love, obviously. Heist that we're talking about. It's all of these kind of craziness. And then we get to one of my favorite. And I thought this was an 80s movie, but it's a little bit later. But nonetheless, I still love it. The location for where the skydivers hang out is. What is it called? like the sugar shack or whatever that it's not, it's just not just a bar. It's like a living quarters. It is like, it's a warehouse. Like all of these movies are always putting people in what look like industrial buildings as homes.

37:48And this one's got it big time. And I love all the time they spent in the airfield where they, where our crew lives. The, the mother hen of which is one of my all time favorites, Grace Zabriskie. Oh, she's so good. Laura Palmer's mother. So good. Incredible. Incredible. In so few moments, she is so memorable and so fantastic. Well, they do something in this movie where, I can't remember Yancey's character's name, Joe Crossman or something. I think that's right. Okay, something like that. I think Crossman is definitely right. Crossman, okay. But they do something. I know it was a genderless first name because there's that trope.

38:29Yes, because it's a misdirect. Yeah, it's a misdirect. Well, it was actually supposed to be a man. too oh interesting well they i feel like this was the time where that that reveal happened all the time where you introduce a character first you're just talking about them they get highly credentialed as this is that and the other thing you don't want to fuck with them and they're crazy and they're this and they're that and she you know then they know their shit and this and that and And then she comes out. Oh, it's Charlie from Top Gun. Yes. It's the model. What they're all chasing is that moment.

39:07Yes. And this was no exception. And also, lots of times I watch the whole thing and I know where we're going and I'm still surprised.

39:14Jason Mantzoukas:Oh, I always fall for it. It's a woman. And it's because it's like that riddle where it's like, you know. And aren't I a fool? Aren't I a fool? that riddle that ends with like the the doctor says i can't operate on that that's my son gusted that to us gusted that to us and he like really was so excited but it's like it does feel like that at every point now i will say that this part was written for a man and they obviously uh changed it and uh that's that's where yancey butler said no he still got hit me in the face because he was supposed to hit the man in the face uh when the when the faulty parachutes, like, why would you change it?

39:54Jason Mantzoukas:Same idea. If someone dropped me out of a plane, if a woman dropped me out of a plane, I love her. without telling me, without ever having skydived before, with not even, I don't think he's even wearing a parachute. I think I would maybe punch her. I feel comfortable being like, if someone did attempted murder to me, I would try and punch them. You have every right to punch her. I grant you the authority, Jason, you have every right to punch her. Nice. It was a playful punch. In these set of circumstances only. Now, you might recognize Yancey because she was also our love interest in the Jean-Claude Van Damme film Hard Target, the Louisiana film that we did in New Orleans that time where they're running around the French Quarter.

40:37Jason Mantzoukas:Wow, Paul. Oh, by the way, you know who I thought she was for a long time? Who? Oh, now I mean a long time. I thought she was Jillian Michaels, celebrity trainer. I did too. Oh, yeah, she has a similar look. I think now she's gone very MAGA. Similar look, but also similar energy and similar, like, vibe. And I was like, wow, Jillian Michaels started off as an actress. I had a whole narrative. I was like, that's great. And she's pretty good. Okay. I couldn't get over how similar, needlessly so, she looked to the villains woman. Girlfriend. Everybody looks the same. The woman on the villains team.

41:16I think her name is Cara. Exactly the same. She and Yancey Butler look so similar that I was like, why would you do this? Make it easy for us to tell again who is on the good guys team, who is on the bad guys team. Help us out. There's too many characters and a very confusing plot line. That's the other thing is we never know the bad guys plan. We don't understand what it is they're doing. It's just that they have now a hacker and they can skydive. And then they're like, OK, we're stealing drugs. We're stealing secrets.

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45:39Jason Mantzoukas:And there's a culture there that is tricky to get in. But in this world, we are to believe that skydivers in general, skydivers who are not bad guys that are not doing anything illegal are also equally as dangerous. Like if you go and sit in a skydiving bar where they're watching skydiving clips on TV, you will get your ass kicked because you don't belong there. It's not like a Because they treat like a motorcycle bar. That's exactly what I was going to say. They are a gang for no reason. For no reason. For reasons that are question marks. Well, they're out of their minds. I found it very troubling when they're in that bar, and we know because we saw it, our gang took out one of their own.

46:21And the bell gets rung. Bell. And they all look at each other. And I say, well, I can't remember. I think I wrote down how they phrased it. They say. Blue skies. Black Death! They say, Blue Skies, Black Death. Yes. What? And they ring the bell and they say, and it's treated as though... And they say they'll ring the bell every hour. And the crazy thing about that moment is they all look around and there's like a very pregnant sort of weighted pause and honoring of this person who's passed. And it's like, the feeling is like, well, they have to be here. They have to do this. They have to protect us in some way.

47:05They have to be out there traveling the skies. It's as if they are the military or something. Yes, you don't. You can all never do this again.

47:13Jason Mantzoukas:They literally are in a drop zone in Fort Lauderdale that looks like a family vacation spot. They are in the, like, there's a scene where, you know, like, I've done the thing where you get into the tube and you put on the suit and you're in there. And there's footage of it. That's embarrassing. It's hard. It is hard. Are you willing to say that you'll post that footage? Sure, I would. You know what? You should post that footage at some point when we're raising money for something. Use it as a goal. That's behind the paywall type of footage. Okay, okay. Wait, do we have a paywall? I don't know.

47:47We don't. But if we did, we should put that there. We're going to make a paywall just for that video only?

47:54Jason Mantzoukas:And by the way, it's not even that juicy. It's just me not being able to fully. like I felt the frustration of the instructor being like, why aren't you getting this? And I, cause I thought that you have to engage your core and kind of what, that's what I imagined. All I'm going to say is when I saw Wesley Snipes have a hard time with it, I was like, got it, got it. Well, it's interesting because they are all of that stuff before, obviously Washington DC happens. Everything else is in Florida. I believe they are. And it is, it is very Florida coded, which I really enjoyed because that's what feels trashy about it in, in the best possible way, because I just want to be very clear.

48:33Florida is trash. So for me, what I really needed in this movie, and I'm absolutely mind scrambled that I need to ask for it. I needed one scene of exposition where Gary Busey is like, I worked for the DEA. I got fired or whatever, dishonorably discharged, whatever it is. and I'm assembling a group of skydivers to do crimes. And so that these guys are like, okay, I'm in. I needed to see him assemble his team. But why? Because it would have helped me understand what the fuck was going on. He's asking why does Gary Busey want to do this? Why did he turn on his own government? Why? I'm asking. Oh, that's easy to answer.

49:17He's Busey, baby. It's a classic Lucy Busey.

49:20Jason Mantzoukas:Okay, got it. But here's the thing. I don't mind that this is a guy who worked for the DEA and that he turned on his people. That's fine. What I am confused about is, was he the person who's like skydiving? Like, because it's like, yeah, that's the bridge too far. That to me has so many more questions. It's like, and the idea is that like, we know that Michael Jeter is a very capable computer hacker. He's been hidden from the government for a long time. Oh, I have a question about this. No, he's not hidden from the government. The government is hiding him from the bad guys who are trying to kill him.

49:55But inexplicably, the government is hiding him by putting him in the general population of a gigantic prison. That is not hidden. And also letting him, like, feed cats. He was the most aggressive person out there.

50:07Jason Mantzoukas:And why did that hawk? Why do we have a clip of a hawk on? Oh, my God. Thank you. I thought he was like a controller of animals. I did, too. They kept cutting back to that hawk as if the hawk was going to be somehow instrumental in killing him, saving him, doing something. And I think it's just there to establish for us in this movie, things will fly. Okay. So I thought for sure, once I realized what the movie was about, I was like, because I also was like, he has some special connection to animals. And I can't quite figure out what it is. They seem to be helping him. And then once he became clear he's very scared of being out there flying, I thought, oh, his relationship and dialogue with animals or birds is going to help him.

50:59Yes. In a skydiving type of scenario. That never came back. No, not at all. You know what I loved about Busey in the first heist? The first heist where they go and they steal the information about the undercover agents, that one. They get in there and everybody immediately starts going to do their job. The guy goes to do the computer hacking. This one's going to do that. This one's going to do that. Busey keeps, it's clearly Busey just riffing. He keeps going around to everybody and asking them if there's anything he can do to help. I didn't notice that. Can I help with anything? You're making me nervous.

51:35Would you just get away? What can I do to help you? you let me know if there's anything I can do to help and you can see almost on the actors faces they're like how do I respond to this I don't need help I'm hacking you know what I mean or whatever

51:52Jason Mantzoukas:this is why this movie has a lot of like to me and you know I haven't I've read John Badham's book I like John Badham but I feel like oh John Badham's book is great just about directing before I directed anything my first time I ever directed anything I read that book and it really helped me but the way that this movie feels like they were running roughshod all over him because it's like also the way like wesley snipes fights is comical like when he goes to the bathroom when they're beating up uh swoop in the bathroom and like like wesley snipes is ready to throw down with hard karate but it's like it's right at the cusp of before fight scenes got really good and it's like it's like he's just like bam bam like he's just doing like yeah and i do think that i like that he's always kicking one person to the left, giving them a chance to recover, and then going after the other guy and then getting back.

52:43Jason Mantzoukas:He's getting business done. He's knocking it off. I do think we kind of needed those sequences and end the one with the two, with Yancey and whoever that other woman was. Oh, the copy machine. Oh my God. The copy machine was so great. And it was, I laughed so hard when the other taller woman was sort of up against the wall. She seemed like she was just taking a second, I guess. It didn't seem like she was mortally harmed at that point. And then Yancey took the photocopy machine. And it doesn't move that fast. And you could tell that thing is fucking heavy. And by the way, also where was it plugged in?

53:23And she just runs with it and rams it into her. And that kills her. Well, she smashes her face

53:32Jason Mantzoukas:through it, through the glass in the photocopier too, right? Because she hits her. But the glass only kind of breaks. I don't think it like. Okay, I thought it was like a smash. I don't think so because then it still works. Right. The machine still works somehow. I mean, listen, it's a very well-built machine. I will say this because. They don't build them like that anymore. They really don't because after all that damage, it still does flawless copies. I mean, a lot. It collates all those copies. Oh, God. I laughed so hard when those papers came out. But what I was going to say is like, You need sequences like that because the other moments that are supposed to be really thrilling and engaging, which are which happened in the sky, are parachutes kind of getting caught in things.

54:18Kind of. Yeah. Kind of like the strings getting caught when he even when he goes into the electrical wire. To be quite honest, I couldn't really understand what was happening up there. No. I couldn't understand how Gary Busey got him and was controlling him.

54:31Jason Mantzoukas:it's a mix and match of real stuff and fake stuff like on a set like where they and so they have to make these like weird jump cuts where you have to like kind of miss about 15 to 20 seconds of important like action connection where you're like okay because we can't really crash a human being into these electrical wires but we can get a guy close enough to them in a long shot and then we have to cut to something that just is exploding and i think it's just hard because ultimately the action is just seeing... Somebody tangled. Yes. Somebody tangled. Oh, no. Oh, no, they're tangled. Yes, it's like...

55:10Jason Mantzoukas:Tangled is cumbersome. It's like... It's just hard. It's like getting someone stuck by putting on a sweater. It feels like, no, I know their head's in there. They just got to get out. Are we jaded because we've seen, like, Tom Cruise defy the impossible in Mission Impossible movies? Jason, we saw The Impossible three years earlier in Point Break. That's the other thing. You can't do a skydive movie and go backwards. You can't be like, yeah, remember what set the standard for skydiving? And by the way, this movie is also in direct competition with another movie coming out called Terminal Velocity, which is a Charlie Sheen movie.

55:45Jason Mantzoukas:So they're having this kind of race to the finish line. Wait, is that also skydiving? Yes, it is a Maverick skydiver and a former KGB agent team up to stop the Russian mafia from stealing gold starring Charlie Sheen, Natasha Kinski and James Gandolfini. I watched this many times. I would love to do it. I would love to do it on the show. Yeah, I feel like I've seen that movie. That sounds great. Also, by the way, maybe it's maybe it's a skydive summer. Let's spend guys. Guys, do you want to spend the summer midair with me? I would love to get to more skydiving movies. There's a lot out there. I bet, especially from this era where somehow it was decided this is cool.

56:27This is exciting. This is dangerous. This is, whoa. This era of skydiving. And it is cliffhanger. Rock climbing.

56:42Jason Mantzoukas:I think if we open it up to things like that, like extreme summer, we could probably find a lot of that's interesting. Well, honestly, you did make me wonder and ask some questions about skydiving because I was like, well, it seems like you can in the movie sort of travel around up there like it's a freeway. Like, oh, I want to get over there, so I'm just going to go to the left. Not with your parachute open, just as a person flying through the air. Like, you could maneuver through the sky like you would in a car or a bicycle or just walking. And I don't know. Is that true? If I see Paul struggling with his parachute, can I just get over there?

57:31I think it's very difficult, but I think an expert could get close enough to you to help or to only at a certain height. Below a certain height, you're dead. I think it's just R.I.P.

57:44Jason Mantzoukas:We're going to have a lot of skydivers, Colin. Which I believe would be terminal velocity. You're going too fast. You're going to die. I think the idea is this. In all these movies, something goes wrong and someone's got to save them. Although Yancey does let the, she does have that, that switch where she drops an inexperienced man out of a plane and then scoops him up. But she waits. They're like, man, I'll give it a couple of minutes. She's also like meant to be one of the best there ever was, you know, because Wesley Snipes is basically like, hey, they this was an inside job. Somebody kidnapped this guy and jumped out and people like jumped out of a 747 at 36000 feet.

58:24That's impossible. Nobody would do that. So the FBI and everybody are like, your brother did it. So part of this is Wesley Snipes trying to clear his brother's name, even though there's so little. Yes, and that does also seem to be let go of at some point.

58:38Jason Mantzoukas:Yes. Jason, before we go too much further, I do just need to tell you, because I know I'm going to get this on the mini episodes. Terminal velocity is the maximum constant speed of free falling when an object reaches the downward pull of gravity equal to the upward push of air. So that is actually the moment where you don't have to pull your pack because that's the kind of moment. That's where you can just exist. Exist. And float, yeah. Yes. Thank you. By the way. Yeah. No, I just wanted to. That's interesting. I just wanted to go back to everyone blaming Malcolm Jamal Warner for, by the way, R.I.P.

59:16Jason Mantzoukas:R.I.P. And I got to tell you, you know, Malcolm Jamal Warner, very big part of my life because I wouldn't have gone to NYU without his character, Theo Huxtable, going to NYU. Oh, wow. It was the only school he applied to, and it was only because Theo Huxtable went there. And when I went to go see a live taping of the Cosby show, I raised my hand and asked him a question. What did he ask? About NYU? No, I said, do you really play basketball? Oh, that's so cute. It's so cool to me. What did he say? Yeah. Yes. It's so cool to me that the Cosby show is so important to you in your life. It was, I think what it was so interesting.

59:57Cosby is so woven into the fabric. Oh, I love it.

1:00:00Jason Mantzoukas:We got to get this guy out. We got to get this guy out. He's out. I guess he is out. Yeah. I mean, it just kills me that Malcolm died the way he did. Oh, my God. Anyway, that's... In a heartbreaking... I mean, just a devastating... And from everybody that I've heard from is just one of the nicest, best guys. Sweetest men. And it's just a good reminder when you're in a riptide, just don't try to swim to shore. Swim parallel. I got caught in a riptide in Mexico and genuinely had to be rescued. Did you know to swim parallel? I started to drown. I did know. But the riptide was so wide that I kept going and then trying to get in, going and trying to get in.

1:00:41I knew to swim parallel, but it was so long that I exhausted myself trying to swim parallel and get in. And then I started screaming for help and thank God was rescued. but genuinely started to swallow, started to swallow seawater. Was active. How old were you? Oh, 36. Oh, wow. Okay. I mean, let me be clear.

1:01:04Jason Mantzoukas:By the way, that's more scary because it's like you, you have all your faculties. I knew what was happening. I was like, I'm now starting to drown because I'm unable to stop taking water in every couple of breaths. So I'm now swallowing seawater every two breaths, which is the beginning of drowning. This is crazy. Oh, God. Jason, I'm so upset. And then I had, for years, I had that dream of that experience every night. Oh, my God. That is so, I'm having anxiety just here. Me too. Me too. No, I don't fuck with the water. I don't fuck with the water. I don't really either. And I was caught in a couple of really, really rough waves when I was like a teenager.

1:01:48like I'm talking post hurricanes in New York and June, you know, over the summer where it's like, you'd go out and be excited for 12 foot, 13 foot wave. For like a rough surf. Yeah. I was like thrilled to find out about big waves. And then I, and then I had a couple of bad experiences. Anyway.

1:02:03Jason Mantzoukas:I will say that one of my favorite moments was, I mean, not favorite, but one of the funniest moments is I was out in the, in the water with my, my children, June's children as well. And when we were, when I was swimming with them, they got hit with a rough wave and it just ripped the bathing suit off my youngest. It was such a moment of like, what happened? That's the power of waves. It can rip your pants for right off. I feel like some of the very, one of the very, very first times I saw boobs was on the beach when somebody was body surfing the big waves and a woman in a bikini hit the, the wave took her all the way into the shore.

1:02:46So her bathing suit got knocked down. And so when she stood up, she didn't know and her boobs were out. And I was like, what is happening? That's honestly what happened. That's what happened to me with one of the bad waves I hit. I was taken in so far. And I went in like a bullet. Like people are traveling through the sky like bullets. That's what I was doing, like a bullet so fast onto the shore. I was knocking into moms and toddlers. Who were standing there. I was like going through legs. Those people were taken out. And I ended up on the shore with my bathing suit completely twisted around me.

1:03:25Seaweed. I mean, it was like, it was a sight. Anyway, I was starting to say this before, but why did Malcolm Jamal Warner's character, Pete, I think? Or no, was his name, whoever he is. Why did he take so much heat for what happened? But it seemed that he was blamed more than the hijackers.

1:03:50Jason Mantzoukas:And when they call that out, he goes, look, man, they're just trying to blame someone for this plane crash. It's like, what about the terrorists who put the bomb on the door? There is forensic evidence that shows that there was a bomb on the door. I agree. I think what they were trying to say maybe was that he was in, he was an accomplice and that he had fired a gun on the plane. I missed that. Okay. So they thought he was working with that. They thought maybe he was, you know, I don't think that, you know, like the, again, this entire plot line goes away. You know what I mean? Like we don't get any further into it, but I felt like part of what they were saying was about the fact that he, people on the plane saw him opening fire, you know, and that was he part of the problem?

1:04:38God, I don't know.

1:04:39Jason Mantzoukas:Even though there were five people in full skydiving outfits. And someone also got their finger eaten off. Oh my God. Like, it seems like only two people flew out the door, one of them being Malcolm Jamal Warner and then the other random. Well, why wouldn't you say like, okay, we found, what's his name's, the nerd's finger. So we can identify it, but they're instantly like, he's dead. then nobody is like it has bite marks on it it looks partially chewed now they're not going to go that deep they have no time very weird um we talked a lot about the acting in this movie and i want to call it one actor in particular for just you know they always say there's no small parts small actors right and you know you can make a big difference in a small part i don't know if you guys recognize this but i rewound it twice because i found it to be so enjoyable when our good guy gets caught in a parachute malfunction and is seemingly fine.

1:05:32Jason Mantzoukas:Wait, Wesley Snipes? Which good guy? Oh, Swoop's friend, because Swoop goes and rescues him. There's so many of them. Grace Zabriski's son. Oh, the young guy. The young guy. The young guy who gets hurt. Okay, yes. When the young guy gets hurt, they're in the back of the ambulance, and the two other skydivers are there, and they're trying to take care of their friend, and the EMT is like, he goes, no one rides in the back. Yeah. No one. And he yells at them like their friend is dying. And they're like, we're his family. He's like, no one right. He hits it twice. And it was so. For no reason. No reason to be that aggressive.

1:06:08And then the kid comes to kind of consciousness and is like, you guys go. You have a jump to do. Yeah. What? You have just been like dead. You were dead. We just saw you die. You didn't have a heartbeat. We're not jumping. What are you talking about? But by the way, can I ask you something? I would expect Jess to know CPR. All of them should know. I don't know why they didn't, nobody did a chest compression. Nope. Now, I know this was like, you know, we don't do mouth-to-mouth anymore. But this was then. But, right, this was the time of mouth-to-mouth, but, like, not, it was never only mouth-to-mouth.

1:06:43The other thing was there was an ambulance on site, so cool. And you saw the organizers be like, send the medic, send the medic. But like the people who are in the air with parachutes make it to the ground first, extricate themselves from their parachutes, get into the water to rescue this kid. I can't remember his name. And start doing like they are there so, so, so much faster than the emergency medical responders that I was like, this is not a good look for the organizers of this event. No, no.

1:07:19Jason Mantzoukas:First of all, they organized for that event with his, he's like wearing, he's like a Leisure Suit Larry character. His flight suit is like unzipped down the middle. It is a very bizarre look. And I love it. And I loved everything about the guy. And I know that that guy is real. I know that that guy has to be a real dude. Like, he's like, I got consulted on that movie. Well, I felt like all of the skydiver, because obviously there's a ton of skydiving in the movie, real, actual skydiving. With both a nine-point star and a 24-point star, just so everybody knows and understands what we're talking about.

1:07:56Can I ask Jason? Yes, please, Jason. Can I ask you something? Mm-hmm. The 24-point star was cool. Mm-hmm. The nine-point star was cool. Yeah. But is that all? What other? Yeah. What other? That's it. Oh, and you mentioned the lights earlier. Can we make a fun snake or something? They light up. Yeah. Can we do anything else with our bodies up there? Nothing. Well, you have to remember. We can't make any other shapes. Well, here's the thing. I think you have to remember they're making shapes that are meant to be seen from the ground. But why not get us so many people up there that we're doing the American flag?

1:08:28Oh, by the way, I love that. But I think we are in 1994. I think we're years away from that being possible.

1:08:35Jason Mantzoukas:Yeah. I mean, you know, I mean, and I mean that like, like, I feel like that's some shit that they would do now. Like would be on a Red Bull channel. You know, where it's like they launched 300 people into low orbit to do the American flag. You know what? Obviously, there's so many things to cover here, but let's also give a voice to the people who absolutely love this film. It is now time for Second Opinions. Paul and Jason and June talk a lot about what makes a movie good or not. But everyone knows they're actually full of sheep. We need a second opinion. Someone that knows what they're talking about.

1:09:21We need a second opinion.

1:09:26We need a second. Give me a second.

1:09:30Jason Mantzoukas:We need a second opinion. Thank you, Wolves of Glendale. Now, there are 246 total reviews. Not a lot. In the grand scheme of doing the show, that's a low number. 69, yeah, percent are five-star reviews. 69 % are five-star reviews. And this is the one that really sticks out to me. And it's a visual, so please picture it. It's a picture of Yancey bedside with Wesley Snipes when he's like in the gurney. And it says, the title is, End Scene, Pete and Jesse. And this is from 2026. I say at the end of the 1994 movie, Pete was on the stretcher and Jesse came over and took care of him and he got grown closer together.

1:10:18Jason Mantzoukas:Five stars. So this is just a person that just wanted to show you that he felt at the end of the movie, our two characters who didn't like each other grew closer together. I don't remember them not liking each other. They seem to be friends from the bunch. She was mistrustful of him because he's a cop and she is on parole, you know, so she thinks he's out to get her. But no, but yeah, then very quickly, they are their buds. They're working together. I just love that this person wrote a review just like he liked that there was a happy ending for Wesley Snipes. Bailey writes, great overlooked film.

1:10:53Jason Mantzoukas:I got this movie eons ago on VHS and I was happy to get it on DVD. This is a fascinating look at the subculture of skydivers. I'm not skydiving myself being one of the why jump out of a perfectly good airplane kind of people. But it's a good thriller with some humor and some interesting characters. It even has fight scenes that I don't find tedious. Five stars. Doesn't find those tedious. I didn't find them tedious either, actually. No. No, they're quick. They're quick, and I will say this for the movie. God damn it. Again, I don't know if I'm okay. I'm not okay. But I didn't find this movie to be hard to watch.

1:11:34Jason Mantzoukas:No, it was pretty easy. Not at all. And I will say that I watched it under difficult circumstances. Like I had to break it up. I realized today, like, oh, shit, I had to go do two different things across town. And so I was like, am I going to have time to drive and watch this? So I watched this in a way, Mo, by myself. Wow. Yeah. Cross town one way, cross town the other way. Actually, the best way to watch it in a way, Mo. I mean, I think you're moving too. And it was not bad. this one we got from letterbox um uh which i just like it because it's sincere from commander blossom i watched this cool movie back in 2020 with my dad who has now passed away five stars that's it okay that's it that's it a lot of odd ones in here just statements really statements just statements and i'll end with jeff burnham who says at the tail end of one scene wesley snipes pantomime shaking an aquatic creature out of his pant leg onto the floorboard of his car stomping it to death.

1:12:33Jason Mantzoukas:It is a very strange thing to see a man do in the front seat of a pristine 1965 Ford Mustang. Yet, I probably wouldn't have given it a second thought if I saw a guy do the same thing on the Chicago Public Transit. Five stars. I don't know. Wait, what body of water is he coming out of? I don't know. But again, all I'm saying is that these reviews are all... I guarantee if we did a little bit of forensic research, Gary Busey wrote all of these interviews. I was going to say, somehow this feels like it's all from one person. These are classic Lucy Buseys. The other thing I want to just point out is this screenplay was written by the same person who wrote High School Musical.

1:13:11Jason Mantzoukas:Great. Perfect. And this is a quote that I needed to share with you both. I don't know if you knew this, but the music was done by Hans Zimmer. Oh, yeah. Yes, I saw that. And people have said that this part of the score sounds identical to the Pirates of the Caribbean. Which he also did. which he also did. I mean, listen to it.

1:13:38Jason Mantzoukas:And Zimmer was once talking about the film and he said this, Drop Zone was written just for fun. I was being reckless, nothing to prove, nothing to lose. The director was just happy I was working with him. Remember, I come from rock and roll. At the same time, I grew up with classical music, so I'm torn between the two. Drop Zone, I could do both. It never hurt. You know, with some scores, you come away with a lot of scars. In Drop Zone, there weren't any. It was just a blast. You know what? Great. I agree. I agree, Zimmer. And we'll drop it in here. But when I started the movie, I knew I was in for a good time because there's like sunset, you know, whatever, B-roll.

1:14:16And there's that 80s, 90s era electric guitar that just kind of like weaves its way through. And I was like, we're going to have fun. This is going to be good. And we did. And we did, ultimately. Oh, yeah. I would have loved it just a little bit more with a little bit more understanding what the fuck was going on. But otherwise, boy, was everybody doing their best to have a good time.

1:14:40Jason Mantzoukas:Yep. And, you know, if you want to not just hear us talk about the movie, but you want to ride the movie, you can still do that. Paramount Parks, now owned by Cedar Fair, do have a ride based on the movie. It was called Drop Zone Stunt Tower. Now it is called Drop Tower Scream Zone. But it is the ride that was made for the movie. And it still exists. And there was a sequel made by the stuntman, the skydiving coordinator for this film called Cutaway. This stars Stephen Baldwin. Boy. By the way, made its money back, made over$64 million. I bet this movie is huge in skydiving circles. By both nine points and 24 point circles.

1:15:22Jason Mantzoukas:Any final thoughts? I know we have to wrap it up tight. Loved it. I loved it. Loved it. I thought it was great. Let's fucking, let's do more. Lucy Busey. Lucy Busey. The buce is loose. That's our show. Thank you so much for being Tandem Skydive Partners with us today. Now we have some big news. June is starring in the brand new Nick Kroll animated series called Mating Season. Jason Manzoukas is in it as well. It is on Netflix right now. And if you watch that and you want to watch something else, You can also check out Black Monday, which just came to the service just a couple of weeks ago. Plus, How Did This Get Made is coming back to Largo in early June.

1:15:59Jason Mantzoukas:And then this summer, we'll be doing a lot more live shows. So if you've not signed up for our mailing list, make sure that you do. But if you just need to see me and Jason, come out and see a dinosaur show June 26th. We'll be doing a show in LA. We will also be in New York on the 12th and the 13th. And for all of you who are giant fans of the dumpster episode of the Chris Gethard show on the night of the 11th, Jason, Chris Gethard and I are going to do a one night only show of the dumpster show. What will it be? You had to come. You got to go check it out. The Del Close Marathon. Also Del Close Marathon.

1:16:36Jason Mantzoukas:We're going to be doing Match Game 76 on Saturday night. You could come see amazing shows all weekend. It's going to be a blast. New York. We'll see you there in June. Just head over to UCBTNY.com. You can figure it out or just go to my website. If you've not checked out the brand new trailer for Elle, what are you doing? The first teaser trailer has dropped for June's new show, which is coming out in this July. And I want to tell you, you get a choice here because if you want to follow through on us doing an extreme sports summer, well then send us some recommendations for Adrenaline Junkie movies on our Discord at discord.gg slash hdtgm.

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