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Podcast Notes: How Did This Get Made? - Glitter LIVE! w/ Adam Scott, Casey Wilson, & Dan Levy
Episode Overview
- Title: Glitter LIVE! w/ Adam Scott, Casey Wilson, & Dan Levy (HDTGM Matinee)
- Release Date: Originally released on 09/23/2014
- Description: The hosts discuss the 2001 film *Glitter*, starring Mariah Carey, with guests Adam Scott and Casey Wilson. The episode covers a variety of topics including the film's plot, production details, and humorous critiques of its many flaws.
Key Themes and Discussions General Thoughts on Glitter
- The film is often described as a "bad movie" but is celebrated for its unintentional humor.
- The episode features a live audience, providing an interactive element to the discussion.
- Glitter is noted for its poor reception and financial performance, grossing only $5.2 million against a budget of $22 million.
Movie Setting and Style
- Glitter is set in the 1980s, though many argued its portrayal of the era is inconsistent.
- The film fails to establish a strong sense of time and place, leading to confusion among viewers.
- Visual elements, such as clothing and setting, reflect a mix of 80s and 90s styles, leading to discussions about authenticity.
Character Analysis
- Mariah Carey's Character (Billy Frank):
- Her motivations and character development are questioned throughout the discussion.
- The character's relationships with male characters, particularly Dice (played by Max Beasley) and her abusive background, are central to the plot.
- There is a debate about whether her character is passive or simply complicated by her upbringing.
Relationship Dynamics
- The relationship between Billy Frank and Dice is a focal point, with discussions on Dice's abusive behavior.
- Audience members question why Billy does not seek out her father, contrasting her search for her mother.
- The film portrays a chaotic relationship dynamic, raising concerns about representation of love and support.
Musical Elements
- The movie is criticized for its lack of memorable music, with audience members expressing disappointment in the songs being forgettable and poorly executed.
- The performance elements and the portrayal of the music industry are both mocked and dissected, leading to a broader critique of how music and performance are depicted in film.
Magical Realism and Plot Devices
- The concept of *magical realism* is humorously invoked, especially in relation to the film's many plot holes and implausible moments.
- Specific scenes, such as a homeless woman who resembles Billy's mother, lead to discussions on deeper themes of identity and familial connection, albeit framed in a comedic light.
Audience Engagement
- The episode includes a lively audience Q&A segment where fans pose questions and share their own thoughts on the film.
- Audience members suggest alternative titles and evaluate character decisions, adding to the humorous critique of the film's narrative.
Conclusion
- The hosts and guests collectively express a deep appreciation for the absurdity of *Glitter*, highlighting its status as a cult classic rather than a traditional cinematic success.
- Recommendations for viewers include enjoying the film as an experience rather than a serious drama, with the understanding that it is filled with flaws that contribute to its charm.
Key Takeaways
- Cinematic Flaws: *Glitter* is discussed as a prime example of how a film can fail while still entertain audiences.
- Cultural Impact: The film's release during a critical time (just after 9/11) is a notable point of discussion regarding its reception.
- Humor in Critique: The episode exemplifies how discussing "bad" movies can bring joy and community among fans, turning critique into a shared experience filled with laughter.
Links and Promotions
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1:27Paul Scheer:So before the burnout darkens your day, upgrade to Sylvania and see better tonight. This is a very special episode of How Did This Get Made? Yes, it's a live show. Yes, this movie is amazing. But thirdly, we are missing both Jason and June for this episode. Collective, oh, what? Fuck you, Shearer, we hate you. Guys, calm down. Their reasons were really good, personal and health, and they're both better, and they're all good. But we have assembled something that I like to call the How Did This Get Made All-Stars to help talk about glitter. So here we go. Let's start the show. Mariah Carey stars in what can be described as the frittata version of 8 Mile.
2:19Paul Scheer:We saw glitter, so you know what that means.
2:41Paul Scheer:Hello, people of Earth!
2:46Paul Scheer:And hello, Largo, Los Angeles!
2:51Paul Scheer:We are very excited to be here in Los Angeles at our LA home, Largo, at the Cornette Theater. We have a great crowd tonight. We have an amazing movie to talk about. And we have a very special episode of How Did This Get Made? Because tonight, it's How Did This Get Made All-Stars. That's right. I am hosting tonight. I am Paul Scheer. But tonight I will be joined by Casey Wilson. Give it up for Casey Wilson.
3:29Paul Scheer:Mr. Adam Scott.
3:40June Diane Raphael:And our special guest, Mr. Dan Levy. Give it up for Dan!
3:50Paul Scheer:All right. Glitter, glitter. Here we go. Well, this movie is a movie that I've heard about for a long time. So you hadn't seen this? I had not seen this movie. I own the DVD, but never worked up the courage to watch it.
4:09Casey Wilson:It's very hard to find this movie. Yes. It's only available on Amazon for$3.99, and it's an hour and 47 minutes long.
4:19Dan Levy:$4.99 for HD, y 'all.
4:24Paul Scheer:Powerful people have done a lot to make sure that you don't see this. Yes, yes. A lot of people say the reason why this movie didn't do well is because of September 11th. because it was released the week after, but it has nothing to do with that. It is a terrible movie nonetheless.
4:47Dan Levy:How convenient for that.
4:49Paul Scheer:Like, I've literally read multiple reports. Beautiful timing. Mariah Carey numerous times says 9-11 was the downfall of it.
4:59Casey Wilson:Oh, no. It takes place in such a New York movie that, you know, the last thing you do want to see after 9-11 is Mariah Carey representing her city.
5:12Paul Scheer:I will say that someone pointed out to me that even though it takes place in New York, there are many Toronto landmarks throughout the movie. Very Canadian. If they shot it in Toronto. You would think they would have the budget to shoot this in New York.
5:26Adam Scott:They had$22 million.
5:28Paul Scheer:Yeah. What about Madison Square Garden? $22 million. $22 million. $22 million. $22 million, and I made a whopping$2.5 opening weekend. And then worldwide, 5.2. Wow.
5:41Dan Levy:It looks like it was made for like five shits.
5:46Adam Scott:And you had the HD version.
5:49Casey Wilson:Yeah. Because it's an 80s movie, but there's nothing 80s about it.
5:54Adam Scott:Nothing.
5:55Casey Wilson:At all.
5:56Paul Scheer:Nothing. Nothing. And they don't even clearly delineate that it is the 80s. They don't put like a graphic up to say like 1980s. Well, that one guy was in a silk. 1983. Oh, does it? Okay. I didn't have the HD version.
6:10Dan Levy:It's very blurry.
6:12Adam Scott:And that one guy was in the silk shirt with the CDs all over it. That's true. Right. That was pretty clear.
6:17Casey Wilson:But it's also Mariah Carey. So you're watching it. You're like, oh, this is a 90s movie. It has to be. Yeah, it doesn't feel like.
6:25Dan Levy:There's nothing. They just paid no attention. I almost think they decided to say it was in the 80s to make it seem more interesting. Because afterwards they decided that.
6:36Adam Scott:This needs to be a period piece.
6:38Paul Scheer:The biggest clue that's in the 80s is they just play that rap song. It's like, don't push me. I'm on the... That's the only thing I knew.
6:48Dan Levy:People have cordless telephones. 1983, people weren't... That wasn't happening.
6:52Paul Scheer:No. As a matter of fact, he's on the cover of Spin, and Spin didn't even come out until 1985. Yes.
7:00Casey Wilson:See? But there is the character named Chili D, which is a pretty 80s name.
7:07Paul Scheer:It is. It has a pretty good name. This movie has all the stuff that I love which is like things that don't ever exist like the 80s clubs in this movie. Like someone's doing semaphore like in the club. Another guy has like a Lion King shield. That's right. That never happened.
7:25Dan Levy:Right. And there's this club that is a dance club packed with thousands of people. there's a DJ who's also a world famous record producer and he has the power to break artists at a dance club. Like he gets the, can we just start talking about it? Yeah, please. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's get into it. He's DJing like the full thing with the headphones.
7:53Adam Scott:When the tape comes up to him.
7:55Dan Levy:Someone gives him the tape. Yeah. Thank you, Casey. You're welcome.
8:01Adam Scott:Don't drop it. Don't drop it.
8:03Dan Levy:He listens to it for three seconds. Two. I think it was two seconds. And says, this is amazing. Who's this? It's Spice, right? Silk. It's Silk. Padma Lakshmi's character, right? By the way, Padma Lakshmi did not know she was an actress until this movie.
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8:26Paul Scheer:No. And really won a spinoff of her character in Terrence Howard.
8:30Casey Wilson:I want to see their lives together by the way how upset is Terrence Howard that he's in this movie this must fucking kill him
8:40Dan Levy:but he's like super good in it
8:42Casey Wilson:he is giving it his all
8:45Adam Scott:he really is giving it everything he has he's trying
8:48Dan Levy:way too hard in this movie you know what you guys I think Top Chef is her spinoff I think that's the character
8:57Paul Scheer:Silk didn't make it in that business and she moved over No, but he gets the tape, puts it in, listens to it for two seconds,
9:05Dan Levy:and then says, oh, this is great. And then right then he introduces Silk and the girls, and the camera pans over, and they start performing for the club.
9:16Casey Wilson:Yeah, they're ready to go. They're ready to go.
9:18Dan Levy:It makes no fucking sense.
9:20Adam Scott:He just had to listen to them for a second before he saw them. Right.
9:24Paul Scheer:And by the way, it wasn't like a dance song. It was kind of like a ballady song, right? Right. It wasn't like a song that you'd be like, let's put this on in the club and people are going to go crazy.
9:34Casey Wilson:No. Thank God Silk was there. Because imagine if he was like, this is great. Fuck, they're not here. What are we going to do?
9:42Paul Scheer:Well, it just goes back to the whole movie is suspect because Terrence Howard originally finds Mariah Carey and her two girls. The brat. The brat. The brat. They're just dancing. The brat playing Louise.
10:02Casey Wilson:And the other one playing the other one. Roxy and Louise.
10:07Dan Levy:Wait, now who is Roxy?
10:10Paul Scheer:Roxy is the other one. The one that is not the brat.
10:17Adam Scott:Both spirited, spirited performances.
10:20Paul Scheer:I have some questions about them too.
10:23Dan Levy:Yeah, I think we all do.
10:24Adam Scott:Yeah.
10:26Dan Levy:They were really giving it their all.
10:28Adam Scott:And I felt like I should have was in a time machine. I would have been cast as the other one. And I thought she gave a lot to that. I thought they both gave their heart and soul. Oh, I felt like they were like the Rosencrantz and Guildenstern of this hammer. It was like comic relief.
10:43Paul Scheer:But it was so odd because it looked like Terrence Howard was just going to watch three girls dance at a club. He's like, hey, I want you guys to be backup dancers. Like, no, no, no. We're not into that. We're doing our own thing. but I wasn't quite sure what their own thing was.
10:57Dan Levy:Yeah, I have Terrence Howard and Padma ask them to be backup, but why would he ask them to do that from what he saw?
11:06Paul Scheer:Well, that was my question. They're just dancing, and I didn't even understand what club would give that an outlet. You guys want to come and dance on stage.
11:17Dan Levy:Because they were backstage like they have dressing rooms, but all they were doing was dancing with thousands of people. Yeah
11:25Casey Wilson:But the camera was focused on Mariah The first time you saw her in that leopard thing You know that must have been maybe from his point of view
11:32Paul Scheer:Yes POV But she said Mariah's like We don't want to be a backup Because we're doing our own thing But we never established what that was At all Because it didn't seem to me like Mariah wanted to become a singer
11:47Dan Levy:Ever in the whole movie Yeah
11:53Adam Scott:As a child, she did not want to go up on stage.
11:56Casey Wilson:Yeah, she was emotionally scarred. Well, her house almost got burnt down by her dumb mom.
12:03Adam Scott:That's my favorite scene. When the mom said this, it was just like every other scene took about five hours. That scene, the mom was like, what? I know.
12:12Dan Levy:Totally.
12:13Casey Wilson:One second. But the credits keep on going. Do you notice that? Forever. The credits are going like an hour 10 into the movie. It's like director of photography. I'm like, what? Why is this happening still? No one should take credit for this movie.
12:28Paul Scheer:I wanted that mom to really be on fire. I wanted her to run into my eyes. Just like in flames. Burn her face. Just burn. Something more. I guess maybe this is me paying a little bit of not that much attention to the top. They didn't really establish her as being like an addict or was she an addict? She's a great singer. She was a smoker. It seemed like she was just sleepy.
12:55Adam Scott:Yes.
12:56Casey Wilson:She had a smoking and a sleeping problem. She was addicted to cigarettes. It's a really, you know, very addictive. Don't smoke.
13:04Dan Levy:Don't smoke.
13:07Adam Scott:It's like she's following her dreams. I didn't see her try to get another job anywhere else. I'm like this selfish mom was just like, I got to sing, but I can't take care of you.
13:15Dan Levy:It was just strange. The house burnt down and then she's like, bye. Yeah.
13:22Casey Wilson:And then when she gets to the orphanage, I mean, those kids were, I feel like they acted as well as DeBrett and the other one.
13:31Adam Scott:That was DeBrett and Louise.
13:34Paul Scheer:They weren't acting. That was their characters.
13:37Dan Levy:That was them. Yeah, it's like Richard Linklater. They shot the first part.
13:45Dan Levy:and then came back
13:47Adam Scott:yeah they're still they're shooting an installment wow
13:50Casey Wilson:they're still shooting the movie right now but when they came over to her and I think it was they were very friendly they were very friendly right away but the first question was are you Puerto Rican and right and she said no I'm mixed and they said okay I guess I like you then
14:07Dan Levy:end of conversation end of conversation
14:09Casey Wilson:we're gonna be a trio
14:11Paul Scheer:we got this going on we have a plan to do something that is undefined and I will never say
14:17Dan Levy:we're going to be endlessly loyal to each other for no reason and pertaining to what we don't know let's get busy doing that
14:29Adam Scott:and just a sidebar the scene with DeBrat and the other one when they were trying on clothes and watching the news report that was alternately like she's watching the news and then it's very comic turns with the other one coming out so quickly in different outfits?
14:42Dan Levy:Is anyone with me?
14:44Adam Scott:Yes, I remember. Thank you.
14:47Paul Scheer:When was that?
14:49Adam Scott:You know, hard to say. It was just somewhere in the middle.
14:51Paul Scheer:It's kind of middle, right, when they're watching.
14:53Adam Scott:But it seemed like a long improv between the two of them that the director was like, this is gold.
14:58Dan Levy:Keep going. That's something that Casey brought up backstage that I think is true, that it seemed like there was a lot of loose improv-yness to the movie.
15:09Paul Scheer:DeBrat is someone who's going to improvise.
15:12Dan Levy:Look, you hired DeBrat.
15:13Casey Wilson:You're getting DeBrat. And I looked up the guy who played Dice. I forget his name. Max Beasley. But he is a known improviser. Really? No, no, he's not. He's definitely not. I thought for a total of the movie that Dice was just Jim Brewer. just waiting for him to do the goat man in the middle of the club
15:41Dan Levy:not to brag but I was in a movie with Dice with Max Beasley oh really? did you guys talk about glitter? not to brag maybe you've heard of it what was it called? what was it? a movie called Torque
16:00Paul Scheer:sorry wow wow you don't have to brag about it No, I'm not.
16:05Dan Levy:I'm not bragging about it. I'm just looking at my papers. I'm looking at my notes.
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19:18Paul Scheer:I won't dress badly. I'll wear what I wear normally. Oh, all right, sure. Someone also mentioned this, and I didn't notice this, but that she has a silver streak on her. On her shoulder at one point. What the fuck is that all about? According to all the research I was able to find, no one knows. Really? No one has been able to put it together. The closest that we got was because Mariah wanted a silver streak on her. That was it.
19:48Dan Levy:At one point, it's here, right? Yes. Is that where it is in the whole movie? It moves? It moves? Is that the glitter?
19:57Casey Wilson:That's glitter. That's the glitter. What? Glitter? What? Oh, my God.
20:03Paul Scheer:We solved the riddle. Wait. So she's made of glitter? She is glitter. She's made of personified?
20:08Dan Levy:Is that where her robot skin has been worn off?
20:13Paul Scheer:I want to see Terminator 4 with Mariah Carey from Glitter. Yes. and Arnold Schwarzenegger. All right, so here's the scene. This is how you get, I mean, and again, you get the taste of the chemistry that's going on between these two people. The love story for the ages. Here we go. I don't sue girls up.
20:33June Diane Raphael:Really?
20:33Paul Scheer:Really.
20:35Adam Scott:Look, I know you're a fly DJ and everything, really, and I should be honored that you want to work with me, but, I mean, I'm just not into the games.
20:44June Diane Raphael:I'm not playing games. I'm serious.
20:48Paul Scheer:So there you go. That's kind of, you know, we don't know if they're going to get together, but they do.
20:54Dan Levy:And that was immediately after he had been saying the same thing to Padma Lakshmi, and then he discovers that Mariah Carey was the one doing the singing.
21:03Paul Scheer:Right, because they were basically like Terrence Howard kind of shit on her. She did like a storm-off riff.
21:13Dan Levy:But up until that point, He was like, wait a minute. Up until that point, we had no idea she was angry or frustrated with her. Right. With anything. She was fine.
21:22Casey Wilson:She was fine with it. She was just living her life. She was fine being like.
21:26Adam Scott:Because she wasn't giving her best stuff.
21:29Casey Wilson:She was saving it for Dice, who his name is Dice in the movie. He also goes by Diceman. I mean, how mad was Andrew Dice Clay when he sees this? That's his whole thing.
21:40Paul Scheer:But Diceman is. I just still don't understand how. who's a big DJ? Tiesto? Skrillex? He's a DJ.
21:54Casey Wilson:Skrillex?
21:56Dan Levy:Skrillex breaking R &B performers? A club owner. Apparently the manager of the club. The DJ of the club. Also a big record producer. And an artist manager.
22:12Paul Scheer:who seems to have no other clients. Or him, for that matter. To me, the more believable story would be like, I've always wanted to produce. Trust me and we'll get there. Instead of setting him up as, I know you're the hottest producer in the world. He's not.
22:28Dan Levy:Not at all. He didn't even have a keyboard. He has nothing except for that black tank top
22:36Casey Wilson:that he wears so much. It's true about the keyboard.
22:41Dan Levy:because his... That was a beautiful scene. He has an apartment filled with musical instruments. And then she gets him a shitty keyboard. It's like... That shitty Yamaha. It's not very big at all. He's like, oh my God, you got me this.
23:01Paul Scheer:And there's nothing more uncool than watching someone on an electric keyboard compose music. Right.
23:09Adam Scott:he's like putting the bass the beat on
23:13Paul Scheer:oh my favorite thing about him though is that he loves the marimba yes which is you know and mariah carey when she first sees the marimba is like what is this like some kindergarten thing he's like no it's my favorite instrument
23:28Dan Levy:and that's where she gets all hot for him that's the moment that's the turning point is him playing this thing the whole movie is different people watching
23:36Adam Scott:other people sing or perform the marimba and just being like with no emotion or expression just like mm-hmm like and then that person in the next scene watching that same person just like everyone's watching everyone and just loving their music making the one thing i did like that they
23:53Paul Scheer:kept with that marimba is like later on the movie not to jump ahead but they you know obviously they have a falling out mariah and dice and like no oh yeah it's happening guys and he's composing his own music, but he's playing the marimba. He's making tracks with a marimba being the lead instrument. And showing the drummer how he's fucking up. No, you're not doing it right. What was the purpose of that? Follow a marimba.
24:17Casey Wilson:So weird. Well, I really enjoyed their first date. Oh, yeah. When she was like, is this a date? What's going on? That was so suspicious.
24:26Paul Scheer:She thought he was going to kill her or something. But yet, she was also really excited about the date. Yes. Looking out the window, she's like, ooh, a limo's here. Ooh, it's a date. She's like, it's not a date. But she dressed for a date. And then she's like,
24:38Casey Wilson:what's with these snails?
24:43Dan Levy:But she and her friends are all aflutter about this date. But the previous like 10 minutes of the movie was a montage of them spending all of their time together. Yeah, it did not seem like this was out of the norm at all. No, they're just going to go get dinner. like they're always together
25:01Adam Scott:they were holding hands on the street before that that might have been like a reshoot situation
25:05Casey Wilson:you know where they had the rose thing at the end not to jump Madison Square Garden and then they're like oh fuck we gotta set up that rose let's all go back to Toronto but they accidentally
25:18Dan Levy:dropped that scene in 20 minutes after they were supposed to we're locked
25:24Paul Scheer:I also will say that little things bug me but It looked like that limo did not have a driver when it pulled up. It looked like he drove that limo to the date. Like, yeah, CMZ gave me this limo, but no driver.
25:40Dan Levy:Get in the back. Oh, that was one thing. When he's talking about the record companies that are going to be at the dance club to discover new artists, he says, EMI, Warner Brothers, and CMZ are all going to be here. it's like oh I wonder which one the movie's gonna end up using
26:02Paul Scheer:they do a great like a bunch of great stuff like that like when she performs on late night live which is Saturday night live they do a lot of like switching but oh I also like when they go meet with CMZ like they come in oh we're so glad you're here you're signed like well right you were coming in for the signing meeting as the champagne in the floor dictated.
26:27Adam Scott:Then they're like, the main boss can't be here. I was like, why?
26:30Casey Wilson:She's kind of a big deal. Everyone should come meet her. Chili B is trying to sign her at the club.
26:36Dan Levy:But the night before that meeting, they see the label guys, and the guys are like, why don't you come in tomorrow, and we'll sit down and chat. They're like, okay. Then they go in, and they're all drinking champagne and celebrating, but they never have that meeting where they decide that this is what they're...
26:55Paul Scheer:It almost seems like they walked in and if they would have continued to take the rest of the meetings for the rest of the day, they may have been signed at a different label. They just like first come, first serve. Like, hey, you're here. You're signed. What? Oh. Dude, we got you first. You would think that Mariah Carey at one point would just like pipe up and go, actually, no, this is not how this business works. I know because I am a huge, gigantic star in this world. Like I have a little life experience.
27:22Casey Wilson:She was also married to a record, you know, Tommy Mottola. Yeah. So she definitely was like, oh, all of this is wrong, by the way. I'm Mariah Carey.
27:33Paul Scheer:Was this guy supposed to be Tommy Mottola? I think so. Because Tommy Mottola and her were married in 93, deteriorating by 95, and divorced in 98. And Mariah Carey called their house Sing Sing because he would never let her leave. And called their marriage a private hell. Awesome. I believe it. Yeah, but this guy was pretty abusive to her, but also she kind of always liked him.
28:02Dan Levy:Yeah, and at the end, she's totally devastated when he's murdered for weird reasons.
28:10Casey Wilson:Can we talk about his murder? Yeah, why not? We could jump all the way around. Because that really got good for me was when he was shot in the shoulder. Yeah.
28:22Dan Levy:And then later they say he was shot in the chest Yeah He saw him get shot in the shoulder
28:27Casey Wilson:He also clearly went right into his shoulder Which he could have shot him in the heart Don't touch Casey Sorry We're friends But then he could have got In the shoulder That means he probably has bled to death on the street That or unless it was cut out too early It was a real violent ending Yeah He shot him five times, curbed him and just ran back
28:50Paul Scheer:If you haven't seen the movie, basically what is going on is Terrence Howard sells Mariah Carey for$100 ,000. And it seems like she's making that money in spades at a certain point. But Dice is just like, I'm not paying it.
29:03Adam Scott:Yeah.
29:04Casey Wilson:Dice is not going to.
29:05Adam Scott:He's not worried about it at all.
29:07Casey Wilson:When Terrence Howard says it's$100 ,000, Dice is like, all right. But we're supposed to get that he can't afford it. But he's a DJ. He's very popular. And he runs a record label. And he owns the things. I thought he actually paid him off. I didn't think like when he said$100 ,000, like, oh, yeah, he paid that. He seemed fine with it at first. Yeah, he was like, oh, and then I was like, okay.
29:25Adam Scott:And then it was like, no, this is a problem.
29:27Paul Scheer:And I didn't get that scene when Dice kind of confronts Terrence Howard. He's like, is there food in your fridge? He's like, yeah. Yeah, I didn't understand that.
29:35Adam Scott:That was.
29:36Paul Scheer:Yeah, and is he saying like you don't need$100 ,000? Yes.
29:39Adam Scott:And then Terrence Howard seemed to be like, good point.
29:42Dan Levy:Yes. No, he was. He was like, good point, but still, I would appreciate the money you owe him. Right, right.
29:49Adam Scott:And then the scene when Terrence Howard came behind Mariah Carey, she was in the house like 40 minutes before she noticed that he was standing behind her. She was like talking for so long to Dice in the other room. Like, baby, we're going to do this and we're going to. But she turned around like 40 minutes after he was standing there.
30:05Paul Scheer:Terrence is a creeper, man. He just hangs out. Yeah. And then Dice beats the shit out of Terrence Howard. Right. And he's in the wrong. Yeah. Like, Dice is wrong. Yes. This movie actually proves to me as it goes on, like, oh, I'm glad she's not with Dice. Dice is not the right girl guy for Billy Frank. Dice is a horrible person. Dice is a horrible person.
30:23Adam Scott:He called her friend a fat ass, and he called the other one something.
30:28Paul Scheer:Oh, let me show that scene. This is a...
30:36Paul Scheer:So, you know, obviously Dice is on the way out. And just one part to make here is when Dice is on the way out, they also kick out DeBrat and Roxy. They get them out, too. And we continue to check in with her two friends, but they don't seem to have any career ambitions. What are they doing?
30:56Dan Levy:Are they just still dancing? And when they kick them out, when they're shooting the music video, they're like, oh, we got to get rid of them. Then they cut to the two friends. And DeBrat's like, fuck this. and she walks out right before they go and fire her. Like, why would you choose a shot of her walking off set?
31:16Paul Scheer:Yeah, before the big reveal of, we're making you fire your best friend. Right. And that music video scene, by the way. Oh, man.
31:24Dan Levy:It's very long.
31:26Paul Scheer:Everything about this movie is very long. Yes. The director is quoted as saying that it was the funniest scene in the movie and that he loved that guy. He just loved that actor. It's like a scene. It's like Juan Pablo from The Bachelor is directing a music video, and he makes them replace the hot girls with, like, naked men. And he's German.
31:51Dan Levy:Yes. And it's weird. And it's not any more ridiculous than it was before. It's just slightly different.
31:59Paul Scheer:Yeah, and those girls were not bad. But, yeah, they're like, oh, it's his vision. It's his vision. It's like, again, this is not how this industry works. A director would have a storyboard. He wouldn't be like, oh, wait, she brought her own backup dancers? Oh, shit, I got a whole different plan for this music video. It doesn't just change instantly. You just can't do that on the fly. But it seemed like, oh, no, no, we changed the whole music video in five minutes. We got him out. Anyway, Dice is upset.
32:27Dan Levy:They're like, this guy's a really hot director. You have to do what he says.
32:31Paul Scheer:You've got to listen to this German director. This is after Eric Benet has come on the scene. Yes, Eric Benet is on the scene. And Dice is jealous. And this is where he lashes out against our two friends.
32:41June Diane Raphael:Did anyone actually write a song with you if you were, you know, properly dressed? What is that supposed to mean? What it means is, look at everything. Everything is hanging out. Where do you get this from, anyway? I got this from you. Why don't you just leave her alone, okay? Hey, mouth! Did I ask you? You're just mad because you don't produce her no more. Get over it. Louise, don't say that. Hey, Louise, you know what? I produced just something a little more than a body pop, fat ass. Dice, fat ass? Who you calling fat ass? You got plenty of ass. No, no, no. You do not talk to her like that. I told you once, don't mouth off again, Roach Bag.
33:17June Diane Raphael:Dice, shut up. Okay, you know what? Let's just get out of here. Calm down, you guys. Excuse me. Could you pull over? Look, he doesn't know what he's saying. He's drunk, okay? You're drunk. Apologize. You're telling me? What's the matter with you? Look, you're drunk.
33:28Adam Scott:He's drunk. Did you pull over? Yeah, pull over. And also no limo driver in that scene. Yeah, no limo driver.
33:37Casey Wilson:They couldn't afford anyone to say, okay. Did he call her a roach bag? Yeah.
33:46Paul Scheer:That's a real, that's a term you might call a bad apartment, but a human being means that roaches live on her.
33:54Casey Wilson:Again, that wasn't an 80s outfit. I think that was pure 1991, 1993, cross colors.
34:02Dan Levy:Yeah, absolutely.
34:04Casey Wilson:The Brat was wearing the clothes that the Brat wore on tour with Criss Cross.
34:09Paul Scheer:Everybody bought their own wardrobe.
34:11Dan Levy:I have written down here, does she want to be a singer? Is she interested in the music business?
34:18Adam Scott:Well, also, I would like to segue just into Mariah herself. Yeah, sure. If we could.
34:24Dan Levy:Yes.
34:25Adam Scott:thoughts? Comments? Concerns?
34:28Paul Scheer:Mariah is an interesting character obviously because she doesn't really have a passion wait in real life?
34:36Casey Wilson:no no no in the movie
34:37Paul Scheer:sorry I should say Billy Franks the character Billy Franks who is Mariah yeah she's an odd character very passive character
34:48Dan Levy:yeah you can't tell if she's
34:50Adam Scott:coming or going
34:51Dan Levy:annoyed, thrilled
34:54Adam Scott:shy angry every expression looks like she's about to laugh she's like yeah it's like is the laugh coming or is it sad or is it well that's it
35:04Paul Scheer:that's also her cry face because her cry face is like just like it's like it's never gonna get there
35:10Adam Scott:I will admit in the scene where she was asking about her mom when she suddenly decided to go try to find her mom yeah I felt for her wow
35:18June Diane Raphael:I did
35:18Adam Scott:I thought she handled that scene pretty well when she put the glasses on and I know nobody wants to hear it but I I don't know if I'm overly emotional but I didn't mind that scene
35:28Dan Levy:I want to hear it
35:30Adam Scott:I just that I thought that was a nice really turn the crowd off
35:36Casey Wilson:it's it's Mariah Carey you know starring in this movie so you know she had like an acting coach like on set who was just like you know by the side is being like you were fucking killing this you are doing this and the brats looking at her like yeah we're fucking doing this Mariah yeah but let me ask did anyone
35:52Adam Scott:see Mariah in Precious?
35:54Casey Wilson:No.
35:55Paul Scheer:Yeah. I thought she was pretty good. Wait, you saw Twitter? You didn't see Precious? I got confused for a second. Yes, I did. They're so similar. I saw it. I loved it. It was great. Did you see her in the butler? Was she in the butler? I did not see the butler. I'm sorry.
36:09Casey Wilson:She was in the butler? Wasn't she? No. She was. Yeah, I know. How many people saw the butler?
36:19Dan Levy:One person? One.
36:21Casey Wilson:I want to see the butler. If everyone saw The Butler and I said that, hilarious applause break. But everyone's like, I don't think I saw that.
36:27Dan Levy:I was trying to pinpoint, like, I was trying to figure out, like, maybe the director was like, let's just keep it loose. Look, forget about the words. Let's just play. And so she's like, okay, let's play. But she just kind of locked into this weird thing.
36:43Paul Scheer:It is an odd choice because I feel like even her stage persona, like her stage persona as a singer is similar to her stage persona in this as an actor. which is very like sultry sultry doesn't translate as a thing right i don't think and is her stage
37:00Dan Levy:persona in the movie different than her stage because i don't i was trying to think of like as a performer in like real life mariah carey she is a a good performer right like i would
37:11Paul Scheer:imagine she's a good performer yeah but she doesn't have a stage crowd jeez yes no it's mariah
37:17Casey Wilson:Mariah Carey, she could stand on a stage and sing and everyone's like, what a joke.
37:20Paul Scheer:But she's not like, she had to run around and do jokes and stuff.
37:22Casey Wilson:Yeah, Dan, she could stand on a stage and sing.
37:25Adam Scott:She's Mariah Carey. I don't know why I'm taking up Mariah's cause.
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40:57Paul Scheer:And she's doing a lot of wardrobe. A lot of wardrobe changes in this. She dresses like MC Scat Cat in the beginning of the movie and then becomes like a very graceful... It's like MC Scat Cat and Lance Armstrong next to you. Now, Dice makes the very cool choice of at the, whatever it is, the USA Music Awards. Oh, oh! That's the best part. She's in the limo and they're like, hey, we just got a call. You have to perform at the USA Music Awards. Right now! What? We're turning the limo around right now. And they turn it around and she shows up like, okay, get on stage and sing your song. And that's when she's like, can someone call
41:38Adam Scott:Dice? She could never call Dice herself. She's always like, can someone call Dice?
41:43Casey Wilson:There needs to be some explanation like why right now. That never happens. MC Hammer was murdered right now!
41:51Paul Scheer:He's like, get there, go perform. that all happened within like three hours but Dice did you think like oh they're blowing off Dice Dice can't make it, Dice can't make it but then he was there at the American Music Awards in his open black t-shirt where apparently Lionel Richie has swept the awards because everything was like Lionel Richie the whole movie is told through bad news reporter but it's like today Lionel Richie won a bunch of awards here and then when they leave
42:21Adam Scott:Every major plot point is just a newscast.
42:23Casey Wilson:The newscast delivers all the important information. Well, speaking of Mariah's acting, the last newscaster reporting on Dice's murder, that was really just her going...
42:37Adam Scott:Not a dream.
42:39Casey Wilson:And then a bunch of people in big suits going, we're really sorry.
42:43Dan Levy:And also the room they're in backstage at Madison Square Garden is literally, it looks like a room at a Hyatt. Yeah, like a Hyatt with kind of an Asian flair. I was going to say it looked like a low-budget
42:59Paul Scheer:James Bond villain. Yes. And by the way, so you see that Dice gets shot and then she's like, where is Billy Franks? Where is she? She's like, it seems like the concept, it's like 805. Why was Billy late
43:12Adam Scott:if she didn't know that he was shot? She is. So you don't know why she's late. And it's like, oh, he was shot.
43:19Paul Scheer:Like, so she's, like, everyone's bad at their job because, like, she shows up, like, five minutes late to her own concert. Yeah. Not knowing that Billy Frank, or not knowing that Dice was shot. Right. And just happens to see the news report and then does the show. Yeah. I was happy with that.
43:35Casey Wilson:And the fact that the New York City Toronto News reports on that murder immediately is impressive. Someone's murdered. Get the camera crew.
43:42Dan Levy:But it's also, there's the time, she goes to Dice's apartment right before that big show. And he's not there. She just wants to like.
43:51Adam Scott:Tinker on the ivories a little.
43:53Dan Levy:Feel him in the ivories.
43:54Paul Scheer:Yeah, because she realizes that even though he's abusive and mean, she loves him. She loves him.
43:58Adam Scott:Was she at a piano or was she at the Yamaha?
44:00Paul Scheer:She was at that real piano.
44:02Adam Scott:But then I was like, but why not at the Yamaha?
44:05Paul Scheer:Right. After all this. She gave it to him. Why give him a Yamaha if he had a real piano?
44:10Dan Levy:And why was he so fucking psyched about the Yamaha?
44:14Casey Wilson:I'm sure, like, the props guy, I can't imagine that the crew was, you know, together on this movie. I'm sure they got to that scene. They're like, oh, where's the Yamaha? And he's like, oh, I brought it to this other fucking movie. Just have her play the piano. They're like, all right, action.
44:27Paul Scheer:Power Rangers are shooting down the block, and they needed it for a scene.
44:29Dan Levy:I really did look for the Yamaha in that scene. I did not see it in that scene. It just was nowhere to be found.
44:34Paul Scheer:They probably destroyed it after they broke up. Like, ah, I hate this Yamaha. Casey, I think you're going to get to the point that you're talking about, maybe the continuity thing, right? Yes. Well, please bring it up, and then I want to show you something.
44:46Adam Scott:Well, just some continuity, many continuity issues throughout, it seemed. Some lipstick when she kisses the music note. It just seems very off to me, but maybe I'm...
44:56Dan Levy:When he finds it later, it looks completely different.
45:00Paul Scheer:Oh, well, the thing I was noticing was that when she first comes there, she sees a picture of them, and it's them. It's like him, like, hey! and she's like, I love you
45:11Dan Levy:in front of a brick wall
45:13Paul Scheer:in front of a brick wall
45:14Dan Levy:they were at the improv
45:21Paul Scheer:and then and then as she writes her note they fade back down to that picture and it's a completely different picture, it's them kissing so a lot of people go oh that is a continuity problem thankfully there's a director's commentary track and did you watch it with the commentary I have clips of the commentary track and the commentary track this is one of the best commentary if you have the means buy the DVD for 98 cents on Amazon and enjoy this commentary because it's full of chunks and little things like this so here we go
46:03June Diane Raphael:and it's got this wonderful right at magical realist moment where she kisses a photo and it's not the same photo that we saw when she picked it up. After she kisses the piece of music you look at, we zoom in on the lipstick, her heart, the billy and if you look at the picture the picture is now they're now kissing. It's one of those very subtle magical realist moments.
46:40Paul Scheer:Magical realism. What? For those of you who did not know what was happening, magical realism. Wow.
46:52Dan Levy:Wow.
46:55Casey Wilson:That is really something.
46:56Paul Scheer:That made me feel really sad. I feel like he was making that up as he went along. Yeah. I think this was the first time he saw the movie He's like oh god yes What the fuck did I do
47:13Dan Levy:There was something else that happened Right there that I was going to point out And it's right at the end of that
47:19Paul Scheer:Please because I think I have an issue with this too
47:21Dan Levy:She's walking out and he's walking in Yes And it's supposed to be one of those near misses like oh shit But it's literally they would have seen each other They would have just been like oh hey Hey Dice I was just in your place.
47:34Paul Scheer:Now, here's my issue with it, and I'll turn the volume on it. But the idea is she's walking. The mattress is breaking them up, right? Yeah, that's true. So my thought is when the mattress clears frame, there should be dice. He shouldn't be coming in from the side of frame. Like, if you're a director, you'd be like, oh, she doesn't see him because he's over here. But no, he's just over there. He's going the same direction as the mattress. He's going the same mattress direction. But that's magical realism. Right there.
48:05Casey Wilson:She definitely would have seen him as she was turning around and being like, oh, nice. He would have been like, oh, hey. Piano, where's your Yamaha?
48:15Paul Scheer:There's a bunch of... It's missing. The one thing I just want to tell you, again, little things that get caught in my mind that I feel like it's worthy of talking about, is when she goes on Saturday Night Live, and I want to just applaud the sketch that was happening on Saturday Night Live. Do you have it? I do not, unfortunately. the blow dryer briefcase sketch. So she's like getting ready. Again, very late. Like they're like, okay, Billy, you're on in like four minutes and she's just arriving at SNL. Like there is no rehearsal time. There's nothing. Like she's being ushered in moments before her performance.
48:48Paul Scheer:Terrible management all around.
48:50Dan Levy:Public everything. No one gets her anywhere and there's enough time.
48:53Adam Scott:That's her whole career. The publicist is working hard.
48:56Casey Wilson:Her whole career is like, we got to go now. You're on in five. And then she's like,
49:00Adam Scott:called ice.
49:05Paul Scheer:But yeah, the blow dryer briefcase is one of my favorite scenes. But here's actually a little thing about that. The publicist character was supposed to have a thick Swiss slash German accent.
49:16Casey Wilson:Like all publicists.
49:17Paul Scheer:But the studio felt that since this was the 80s, the accent wouldn't work in tandem with the costumes. Yeah, absolutely.
49:27Casey Wilson:Because that's the problem with this movie, the publicist's accent.
49:32Dan Levy:I'm glad the studio was choosing to micromanage things like that. And just let the big picture stay as it was.
49:43Paul Scheer:Other little things from the commentary track that I just realized I have this page here. Max Beasley is the guy who you worked with in the great film Torque, led the way for Fast and Furious films. He toured with George Michael and Jamiroquai.
49:58Dan Levy:Oh like as a singer dancer I guess as a marimba player
50:01Paul Scheer:Drums and piano I mean he toured with them I mean he plays drums and piano Super nice Very cool guy Let's say he's touring with Jamiroquai and George Michael The talented dude Has to be cool Yeah And this is another funny thing from the commentary track The director originally didn't want to do the movie Because he wasn't interested in working with singers He wanted to work with actors But after he saw Mariah Carey's audition tape For Shaft he signed on to direct for the Samuel L. Jackson shaft Mariah Carey did not get that part
50:35Adam Scott:everyone else was like oh
50:38Paul Scheer:wow and then this is one more little fact, this is another fact the director of Glitter thought that one of the funniest scenes in the movie was the music video shoot the director is making her wear a bikini apparently the intent of the scene is that the director English was his second language and his vision was getting lost in the translation. That was the game of the scene that we might not have gotten. Whoa. I actually figured that out. So just some little tips that you might get in there. Man. It's pretty great.
51:12Adam Scott:What happened to Eric Benet? I'm like, did I forget how that ended with her and him? He just faded away.
51:19Paul Scheer:Eric Benet, basically, everyone was like, Dice is bad for you. You need to team up with Eric Benet. But I love the world
51:24Adam Scott:in which Dice is like an abuser and a womanizer and Eric Benet is the saint.
51:28Paul Scheer:Yeah. Yeah, they recorded a duo, like a song that became number one. She played Madison Square Garden. Bye. See you later. He's done. He served his purpose. See you later. See you later, Eric Benet. Well, let's go to the audience because we have a couple more clubs, but let's go to the audience here and see if there's anything that we might have missed. So, let's get these house lights up. All right, we've got a lot of hands. All right, let's see. Let's see what people are saying. All right, I'm going to go to you first. What is your name? What would you have called Billy Franks? What would you have given her the name of in your question?
52:02Adam Scott:My name is Cora. I would have given her the name Seductive Soltress. Oh, nice. I like that. And my question is, when you were listening to the commentary, did they say anything about Mariah Carey's cats?
52:19Paul Scheer:Great question.
52:21Adam Scott:That cat lived a long time. Yeah.
52:24Paul Scheer:The cat went away for a majority of the movie.
52:28Adam Scott:An hour and ten minutes. And then on the stairwell, I'm like, is that the same cat?
52:32Paul Scheer:Well, they make a big deal out of it because she has the cat as a child, but then when she breaks up with Dice, you see her grabbing the cat and leaving.
52:41Adam Scott:Like, I'm taking this cat with me. Yeah. You're like, oh, yeah, that's the cat.
52:46Casey Wilson:I fucking forgot about that stupid cat. How did I miss the cat entirely?
52:50Adam Scott:When she went into the orphanage. You wouldn't know it.
52:52Paul Scheer:Because the cat really is barely in the movie, but is grabbed as an exclamation point when she storms out of Dice's apartment. She's like, and I'm taking the cat. And the cat's head is just in her hands. It's a nice two shot. To be fair, the cat is in the first 40 seconds of the movie. Apparently Mariah didn't like working with the cat. So, yes, your name, what you would have called Mariah Carey's character, and your question.
53:14June Diane Raphael:Yeah, my name's Carey. I would have called her character Beige.
53:19Paul Scheer:She is a beige woman. She's like khaki. She's a khaki woman.
53:24June Diane Raphael:Well, it wasn't so much about like, well, costuming was definitely part of it, but it was just more her general attitude towards the movie.
53:31Paul Scheer:Oh, interesting. I like that.
53:33June Diane Raphael:So the beginning is a flashback scene. And then at the end of the flashback scene, we get the transition that's like the whoosh. And then it's supposed to be in the present. But no, it's still in the past. And then there's another scene. Whoosh. Still in the past.
53:46Dan Levy:Yes.
53:47June Diane Raphael:This goes on for like five times.
53:49Paul Scheer:Yeah. Yeah. Me too. Well, we haven't talked about transitions. Yeah.
53:57Dan Levy:Let's hear it for transitions.
53:59Casey Wilson:It's a lot of that like raving type of stuff throughout the entire movie.
54:03Paul Scheer:Well, let's just talk about the fireworks. That's a ballsy move for any filmmaker. Yeah, let's put some fireworks in this one transition scene.
54:16Dan Levy:There were several times, they weren't exactly transitions, but there were just times when the scene would speed up. Yeah. And it was just because these stupid, shitty, terrible shots they were getting were taking too long, so they had to speed them up, right?
54:32Adam Scott:Yes, like when Taron, Towers, and Dice were walking through the bar, and then it just was like in three phases. Yeah.
54:38Dan Levy:Yep.
54:40Adam Scott:Okay.
54:41Casey Wilson:It's like they sped that stuff up, but again, like the first part of the movie is 65 minutes long.
54:48Paul Scheer:All right, ma 'am, your name and your question.
54:52Adam Scott:My name is Waleska.
54:53Paul Scheer:Nice to meet you.
54:54Adam Scott:There was a part when after they went to bed together the first time. Yes.
55:00Paul Scheer:Made love.
55:00Adam Scott:She was saying.
55:02Paul Scheer:When they fucked.
55:06Adam Scott:She said, I don't generally do this. And then he was really mean and he said, oh, I can tell.
55:12June Diane Raphael:I forgot about that.
55:18Dan Levy:yeah he said i can tell and then she gave him an absolutely blank look and he said i'm just kidding she gave him another blank look and then the scene ended
55:35Paul Scheer:all right sir your name your uh song title a dice produced song track or billy frank's alternate name and your question. My name is Brian.
55:48Dan Levy:My Dice song is Trouble in Paradise.
55:51Paul Scheer:Oh! Nice! Very nice! Very good.
56:00June Diane Raphael:There's a scene halfway through the movie where it's shortly after she tries to find her mother and then she finds a homeless woman on the street singing, who looks identical to her mother, looks at her, and then just walks away and nothing has ever happened.
56:14Paul Scheer:That's a good point. We were talking about this backstage. What do you think happened there?
56:19Adam Scott:Was it a dream?
56:21Paul Scheer:Because why wouldn't you at least stop her?
56:25Adam Scott:Magical realism, I'm hearing.
56:26Paul Scheer:Magical realism, all right, yes. When in doubt, it's magical realism. I'm going to come over here. Your name, your Dice song track, and your question.
56:38June Diane Raphael:My name is Erica. My Dice song track is going braless, because there was a lot of brawless moments. My question is, if you notice, and if you know this about Mariah, she only likes to be photographed from her right side. And there's, I think, one scene in the movie where the director got her left side. Does it say anything in the commentary of how long he had to talk to her to get her to shoot from her bad side?
57:01Paul Scheer:Ooh, that's a, no. In the commentary track, he is effusive about every actor except for Mariah Carey. Really? he's not mean about her but he's diplomatic really yes so that is that speaks volumes alright let's see I'm gonna see what your question is alright your name your dice track and here we go
57:25June Diane Raphael:my name's Tony of course the dice track has to be Dice Dice Baby
57:29Paul Scheer:nice it's back
57:31June Diane Raphael:I'm very surprised that the studio made a casting choice based on it being an 80's movie because there's so little reason for it to take place in the 80's I could have sworn it was added in post.
57:42Paul Scheer:Well, we talked about that. Yeah, it could have been a post. Yeah, there is not. She's not an 80s singer by any means.
57:49Casey Wilson:I know. I was just waiting for Dice to do a bunch of coke. That would have been such the easy thing. It's the 80s. Dice, just do coke in every scene. All right, okay.
57:59Adam Scott:Hey, stop the Yamaha.
58:00Casey Wilson:Yeah. There are two things. There's good coke everywhere. What's the movie rated?
58:04Dan Levy:Like PG-13?
58:05Paul Scheer:PG-13, yeah. Oh, that's what it's called. So they could do coke. Well, I would say this. So they can say you're a fat ass.
58:10Adam Scott:That's why the mom was a smoking addict. Yeah.
58:13Paul Scheer:There's like two things that upset me about it. Number one, like I go into this movie and I think, well, at least there'll be some great Mariah Carey songs.
58:22Adam Scott:Not a one. Not a one.
58:23Paul Scheer:No, they're all terrible. Not a one. Just fake bad songs. They all sound exactly the same.
58:28Adam Scott:They're all so breathy and short. You don't even get.
58:30Casey Wilson:You don't get a real Mariah performance.
58:32Adam Scott:Not that I want it, but you don't get it.
58:34Casey Wilson:I was waiting for it. I just kept on hearing that stupid Silk song over and over again. Like, no, no, no, no.
58:42Paul Scheer:This movie actually made me really happy that Gwen Stefani didn't try her hand at acting. Like, I actually have more respect for her. I was like, you know what? You did it right. Because Gwen Stefani could have done this, but she said, no, I'm a fucking singer. Yeah. What, do you have a question? I saw her kids in Ralph's last weekend. I'm sure she's raising them with the same smartness that she did when she probably turned down her movie. No, she wasn't there. than someone else with their kids. Oh, my gosh. You have a notebook? All right, here's your question. I actually have a song title as well.
59:13Paul Scheer:It would have been Honey, You've Got a Bunch of Ass or whatever he says in the limo. Oh, I like it. Yeah, but my question is, she was trying to find her mom for so long, but she knew who her real dad was. Why didn't she ever try and find her dad? Well, the dad abandoned her, though. I mean, that was it. The dad didn't want anything to do with her. The mom, it seems weird because the mom seemed to give her up without any issue. I guess they both of them. I think the mom was just like,
59:41Casey Wilson:look, I'm a smoker. I can't raise you.
59:45Adam Scott:How come the mom, you know Mariah's biggest dream, and it sounds silly, but it was for the mom to be sitting in the audience and be proud of her? Yeah. How come Billy's dream for her at the end wasn't that the mom was at Madison Square Garden? It was like, gotta go see mom in Maryland.
1:00:02Paul Scheer:Well, by the way, Billy's letter at the end of the movie, We haven't even gotten into that. Yeah. The best thing in the... Billy is now dead. Oh, no. No, I'm sorry. Dice's letter. Dice's letter. Sorry. Dice. Dice has been shot to death. But luckily, he went to Madison Square Garden, dropped off a handwritten letter and one rose, and wrote a letter that would explain everything just in case he was shot. He basically was like, so sorry we fought. I love you, too. By the way, found out about your mom. Here's where she lives. gotta go see you after the show bye bye like say some of that for after the show like hey great job by the way I found your mom you don't have to put that all in the letter
1:00:42Casey Wilson:P.S. I feel like I might get shot tonight
1:00:47Paul Scheer:wait how does she know
1:00:49Dan Levy:who her dad is
1:00:50Paul Scheer:because in the beginning they go to that guy's house and knocks on the door remember to get that money
1:00:57Dan Levy:oh yeah
1:00:59Adam Scott:was the mom just recently fired
1:01:03Casey Wilson:no she was on fire no
1:01:06Paul Scheer:she did she said I just got fired
1:01:09Adam Scott:I think she was lying because she's an addict of
1:01:12Paul Scheer:smoking
1:01:15Adam Scott:again and I'm so sorry to bring it up and it's not to be funny I'm genuinely asking why didn't Dice bring the mom to Madison Square Garden they had an attempt at a kind of a nice ending
1:01:26Dan Levy:we don't know
1:01:29Paul Scheer:we'll never know Great answer.
1:01:31Adam Scott:No one knows. Let it go.
1:01:32Paul Scheer:Wouldn't it have been a great ending if he was on the phone and was like, yes, yes, she's performing tonight. I'll come pick you up. All right, I'll be right there. And then Terrence Howard's like, bam. That would have been more fulfilling as a moment.
1:01:45Dan Levy:There is no connective tissue in this movie. Nothing is connected.
1:01:52Paul Scheer:All right, yes, your question. That's my fault. The notebook is open. There's many things in there. Thoughts are in there. All right, your name, your song title, your question. Go.
1:01:59June Diane Raphael:Okay, my name's Maria. My Dice song title would be Elton John lookalike because there's definitely a scene in the club where I thought he was Elton John for the whole scene because he looks exactly like him.
1:02:11Paul Scheer:Dice looks like Elton John? I look just like him.
1:02:13June Diane Raphael:He's got the round glasses, and he's just kind of sitting and chilling. He doesn't say anything. I thought they got Elton John for the movie, and I got excited for a second.
1:02:20Paul Scheer:Wait, Dice has round glasses? I don't remember this scene.
1:02:24June Diane Raphael:One scene.
1:02:25Paul Scheer:She's got a notebook, so I believe her. Okay, okay.
1:02:28Casey Wilson:I feel like she paid more money for three of us.
1:02:31June Diane Raphael:Three of us are. So it's always great when they can manage to work in the title of the movie into a line. And that happens during that excellent music video scene when the director says, the glitter cannot overpower the artist. Which I feel like the screenwriter wrote that line and sat back and was like, nailed it.
1:02:50Paul Scheer:He was like, done for the day. Yep. I just saved the cat.
1:02:56Adam Scott:And he's like, I was going to have the mom come at Madison Square Garden. Not anymore.
1:03:00Paul Scheer:He got real lazy. Let's see. Who has a good question? There's so many great questions. I don't even have a wealth of great ones. I'm going to ask you because here's my question. All right. Your name, your song title, your question. Here we go.
1:03:12June Diane Raphael:All right. My name is Paul. My song title, no, the album, I'd probably call it Song in the Key of Yamaha. Oh, I like that. And then what gets me is, all right, when you get into the movie and they do put what year it is, it says 1983. and then the ticket on there says she's performing in and it's dated in July so she got famous and all that stuff in six months and then she was told that she had to change her sound she hadn't even put out an album yet
1:03:39Paul Scheer:that's a very good book yeah she had just basically had a single and you gotta change it people are sick of this single alright
1:03:52Adam Scott:it got bumped to the second on the charts
1:03:54Paul Scheer:Yeah, that was a big deal. All right, your name, your song title, and your question.
1:03:59June Diane Raphael:My name is Ashika. My song...
1:04:01Paul Scheer:Made up.
1:04:05June Diane Raphael:That could be Billy Frank's name.
1:04:07Paul Scheer:Yeah, it could be. I like that.
1:04:09June Diane Raphael:My song title would be, I don't know, Party Like It's 1993, because that seemed like the actual date of this movie.
1:04:14Paul Scheer:Like it, all right.
1:04:15June Diane Raphael:And my question is, can we talk about Dice's accent?
1:04:19Paul Scheer:Good question, yeah. What do you think? Where do you think he's from?
1:04:22June Diane Raphael:I guess since Adam knows him, is he not American?
1:04:25Dan Levy:He's British.
1:04:27Casey Wilson:Oh, I didn't know that. But that doesn't explain the accent because it was kind of like... He's like a New Yorker. A lot of British people do American accents.
1:04:38Paul Scheer:They feel like they take a Robert De Niro-y kind of like a thing. Hey, Billy. One more question. One more question. There's so many good ones. I'm going to go to the back. Like Lucky 7. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. You have a good question? You think you have a good question? Who has a good question? Really have a good question. All right, you do. All right, I think. All right.
1:04:57Dan Levy:Did someone say no when you asked a bad question? I think so. People put their hands down. Honestly, no. Hands go down. I'll sit back down. It is a great thing.
1:05:05Casey Wilson:You make everybody think about it. There's no bad questions because we only have bad answers.
1:05:10Paul Scheer:All right, here we go. Your name, song title, question. Okay.
1:05:14June Diane Raphael:My name is Naomi. My song title would be I'll Only Kiss You Twice. That's terrific. They only kiss twice in the whole movie. And the lyrics to the song that she's singing about her mom are, you could have had the decency to give me up before you gave me life.
1:05:31Paul Scheer:Oh.
1:05:32Adam Scott:So that's not so much a question as a terrible downer.
1:05:37Paul Scheer:But it's worthy of talking about because I thought the mom was very, like, good with her. I mean, she made sure she went to a bar where they served milk in shot glasses.
1:05:50Casey Wilson:Then she forced her on the stage to sing. Then she burnt down her house.
1:05:56Paul Scheer:Well, obviously they reunite. Obviously they reunited. And I want to show the director's commentary track for the reunition. I just wanted to say real quick,
1:06:07Dan Levy:there's that scene when they're in the cab and the song comes on the radio for the first time. Oh, yes. And they're like, get it. He's like, you got to get, he gets out of the cab. It's so confusing. It's like, oh, so you haven't been on the radio yet? Okay.
1:06:23Adam Scott:Their success level is so unclear through the whole movie.
1:06:27Paul Scheer:Well, he runs out of the cab, grabs a homeless person, hugs him. That was the first stop.
1:06:32Dan Levy:And then she's like, give me change. She keeps asking for something. I don't know what she's talking about. And he gives her a couple quarters. She runs over to the phone booth, and there's a little kid making a phone call. like a nine-year-old just chatting on the phone.
1:06:48June Diane Raphael:Yeah, yeah.
1:06:49Dan Levy:They're like, please, she's on the radio right now. Let us have the phone. And he's like, he gives them the phone. And then he says, she's on the radio. Can I get her autograph? And Dice is like, Dice said, I don't got a pen, baby. And the kid, like, goes away.
1:07:08Casey Wilson:But the way the movie goes, it would have made more sense if, like, Dice was like, hey, the radio called. They need you to be over at the radio station to sing the single right now because it's popular.
1:07:25Paul Scheer:So, all right, here is, let's check in with the end of the movie so we can kind of get the idea of what you dummies missed. Because clearly there's a lot of symbolism here that none of you, none of you got. So Mariah Carey takes her limo All the way to Maryland To her mom's house And her mom recognizes her immediately So her mom is very aware of Billy Franks I would imagine
1:07:54Casey Wilson:She's been famous for six months
1:07:56June Diane Raphael:The juxtaposition of the gown Glitter In the In the country In the grass and her mother in the country house, I thought, it's a wonderful way to end the picture. Where though there has been loss, there's a new beginning. And ultimately, you're never too far away.
1:08:27Dan Levy:So, does he ever once during the commentary track just say, look.
1:08:37Paul Scheer:This is the last one I will be doing.
1:08:40Casey Wilson:Like, I'm sorry. I bet you hear a gunshot.
1:08:44Paul Scheer:He did do it with a gun in his mouth the entire time.
1:08:48Adam Scott:The mom looks completely, like she's completely kicked her cigarette habit. And it's like a Beneva commercial. The end, it's a very nice house. It just seems sort of like, well.
1:08:59Paul Scheer:Well, to me, again, the more compelling ending is that she gets her mom off the street. Her mom has rebounded in a great way.
1:09:07Adam Scott:Her mom's doing great.
1:09:08Dan Levy:She looks amazing. She seems great. So her mom completely rebounded.
1:09:11Adam Scott:She's got her shit together and just never tried to get in touch with her daughter.
1:09:17Dan Levy:Right.
1:09:18Adam Scott:So the mom's also a horrible person. Yeah. Way worse.
1:09:22Paul Scheer:All right. So obviously we had an opinion about this movie, but there are other people out there who had a different opinion. It is now time for second opinions. These are five star reviews of the film Glitter from Amazon. And this one was written. The title is called Stellar Glitter Shines Brightly. Did half of the negative reviewers of this film even see the same film as I did? I saw Glitter starring Mariah Carey and Max Beasley. Is there another film by the same title that I don't know about? People, it's not as bad as you think. It's actually good. Personally, I think Glitter will do better with a DVD release because it should have gone straight to DVD.
1:10:21Paul Scheer:But all in all, an excellent and entertaining movie. Even the plot and dialogue are not bad. Five stars. This one is written by Gletta Richardson, and she titles it Sunshine. And now, sometimes when you read Amazon reviews, they are not in the best English. So, bear with me. Every day I had this movie on VHS, I watched it so much, it stopped working. so i'm glad i don't have to worry about this dvd not working that's why i found it i had to hurry and purchase it now i'm happy five stars uh this one is called you'll laugh for that one uh this one is called you'll laugh you'll cry you'll cheer if it yeah yeah if you if it weren't for Moulin Rouge, this could be the greatest musical of all time.
1:11:29Paul Scheer:It's not even technically a musical. They're barely singing in this movie. I think people have it all wrong when it comes to glitter. It's a fantastic movie and a gritty drama about a biracial singer who climbs to the top. Mariah isn't as good of an actress as Nicole Kidman, but she's getting there.
1:11:53June Diane Raphael:Guys, I wrote this one.
1:11:54Paul Scheer:It is true. I wrote this one.
1:11:56Dan Levy:I thought this sounded like you.
1:11:59Paul Scheer:It also has Eric Benet, who used to be married to Halle Perry, who is the world's most talented actress.
1:12:08Casey Wilson:Wait, that part doesn't make sense regarding glitter.
1:12:13Paul Scheer:Don't listen to the dumb haters who trash this movie. They're a bunch of snot-nosed 15-year-olds who never even watched the DVD, but spent hours listening to Limp Bizkit. Yuck! Anyhow, this movie's a masterpiece. Trust me.
1:12:33Dan Levy:That is my favorite movie review of all time.
1:12:36Paul Scheer:And this one, I'm putting it in just because I don't understand it. This is by Mr. ESM Moshaya. this movie deserves five stars as it's one of the best movies i've ever seen i really think all the people should wake up i mean of all the modern technologies people are taking it for granted if this movie came out 10 years ago it would have won an oscar 10 years ago what yeah so modern technologies i don't know what the modern technologies rant in the middle was.
1:13:16Casey Wilson:What movie won Best Oscar 10 years ago? Someone should tell us that.
1:13:21Paul Scheer:Yeah, we should Google. Anyone call out your phone and Google what won in 91. Alright, so any final thoughts, guys? Anything that we didn't cover? What was it?
1:13:32Adam Scott:Silence of the Lambs.
1:13:34Paul Scheer:Silence of the Lambs. That would have been a tough year. Tough category.
1:13:38Dan Levy:And then what won in 2001? What big glitter? Yeah, what won in 2001? or 2002 it should be
1:13:46Paul Scheer:Beautiful Mind that was a tough year
1:13:48Casey Wilson:the winner is Beautiful Minds
1:13:54Dan Levy:I would recommend this this is fun, this is a good one to watch
1:14:00Paul Scheer:100 % super fun to watch and like I said get that DVD and watch that commentary track I'm going to the director has no conception of what he has done except for create a masterpiece.
1:14:17Dan Levy:Well, usually they do commentary before the movie's actually released. So he probably did it. Yeah, I know.
1:14:25Paul Scheer:That is extremely the case from Justin to Kelly. They recorded it right after they wrapped and they are consistently talking about, oh my god, when people see this they're going to go nuts. They're going to love this. Oh my god. they're reveling in the gigantic success the grease like stature
1:14:44Adam Scott:anyone that likes their own work in general is just such an asshole so it's just I don't actually feel that bad it is
1:14:51Paul Scheer:I think the director should have said at the end and you're welcome he did create a masterpiece of sorts so you would recommend watching it right?
1:15:00Adam Scott:of course
1:15:01Casey Wilson:oh yeah I definitely would watch this movie over and over again well
1:15:07Paul Scheer:I think that's it That's it. We have done glitter. We have done it up. Please give it up for our amazing panel. Adam Scott, Casey Wilson, Dan Levy. Go over all of them. And watch all their amazing shows. Mulaney, when does Mulaney premiere? October 5th. When does Marry Me start up?
1:15:28Adam Scott:October 14th.
1:15:30Paul Scheer:And when does Parks and Rec come back? I don't know. All right. Very exciting. What a great show. Give it up one more time for Casey Wilson Adam Scott and Dan Levy. I'm only laughing because I'm picturing you applauding them wherever you are. Also, we could not do this show without the amazing people at Largo. A big shout out to Flanny, Alec, Griffey, all those guys who do it up every time for us. They are amazing. Also, I want to just say thank you to July, our editor, engineer on this one. He was amazing. And our interns who go to the bone with the cutting the clips, getting the research, everything.
1:16:07Paul Scheer:Leanna Waldron does all of our graphics. Big thanks to her, but a special thank you to Averill Halley, who cuts all of our amazing clips. And of course, all of our research is done by Nate Kiley. And I'm also going to say Averill also contributes to that as well. Katie Dyer does all of our stuff online. And if you want to see us online, go to facebook.com and check us out there or at Twitter at HDTGM. You guys have been fantastic. You can follow me at Paul Shear all the time. And I just want to let you know, you can pick up my Deadpool comic book, which is in comic book stores now.
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1:17:34June Diane Raphael:Okay, you get the idea.
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We're talkin' the 2001 Mariah Carey music romance Glitter with all-star co-hosts Adam Scott (Severance) & Casey Wilson (Garbage World), as well as special guest Dan Levy (The Goldbergs). LIVE from Largo in Los Angeles, we cover why this movie is set in the 80s, what the deal is with Da Brat & Mariah's other friend, Dice’s death, the true meaning of magical realism, Mariah's cat, and much more! (Ep. #94 Originally Released 09/23/2014)
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