Jack's Back LIVE! w/ Lisa Gilroy

23:59Jason Mantzoukas:But a cursory Google, I know they didn't have Google back then, but a book opening would show that that was not part... At least have Alta Vista or Webcrawler. Ask Jeeves, did Jack the Ripper rape some ladies? No, sir. You don't have to ask in a British accent. Really? That's why I never used it. I don't think that's how Ask Jeeves... I thought he respected you more if you asked. How do you think you'd know that, Paul? It was so long ago. Do you think they even checked for that kind of stuff? Well, you think if the whole movie's based on Jack the Ripper, they would be like, it's identical. It's identical.

24:34Jason Mantzoukas:He does everything identical. It's like, well, that's an addition that you don't even need to make. It plays no part in the story. I have to tell you something. Yeah. I don't think you should say that anymore. And I don't think you should go to parties and be like, fun fact, Jack the Ripper never raped anyone. Okay. Because I want to say, I want to say. Let me tell you. Stop putting that into games of celebrity. Yeah, like, it's just like, it's not. Uh-uh, he didn't rape anybody. He was a smart guy. Jack the Ripper. He was a good boyfriend. Yeah, Jack the Ripper. Yeah, yeah, yeah. because like okay I did a show at Dynasty last week and I was like asking the listen you know we took a stand up class together we're still new you're not promo shows you've already done hey check it out last week I was phenomenal is it still live streaming it probably is but like to give you a taste of how bad I still am at stand up I was asking at one point I was soliciting fun facts from the audience because I just genuinely wanted to learn a new fact and someone in the audience was like I have a fun fact actually Robin Williams wasn't like that depressed before he killed himself oh and I'm just saying that's the same flavor what you're doing over there.

25:35It's a warning because we're friends.

25:38Jason Mantzoukas:No, I appreciate it. I just want to get the truth out there about Jack. I will say that I've never been more creeped out by a box of condoms in a movie when the killer just like places a box of condoms out. Like he doesn't even he doesn't even break the box. It's just like, well, I'll get into this later on. It'll creep me out. Oh, I didn't notice that. I thought it was camera film what he was putting out. But I think you can use both for both. Yeah. Especially because he's using a Polaroid. So you can use the wrapper of the Polaroid film, that heavy Mylar wrapper or whatever it is. And the pictures you get are beautiful.

26:17You will get lead poisoning your dick, though.

26:20Jason Mantzoukas:But it comes out very Pollock-esque. But don't shake it. When you were talking about Hermione, the way they introduced that character she's like the girl that everyone's flirting with in the office and the creepy guy that we think is Jack the Ripper for most of the movie the big tall guy who is the killer of Prime Spader he's like, you get that book that I gave you? And she's like, oh thank you so much for that book, it was great. He's like, if you like it I'll get you another It was so non-specific It wasn't like just books I will buy you another book If you like books I will buy you a book The reveal of this guy is that he's just Low key an amateur Abortionist That's his deal Is he like a Janitor at the hospital What's his thing Other than hey knock knock Do you want an abortion I believe that He is the Anakin to the chief's Emperor Palpatine.

27:28Jason Mantzoukas:Because at one point, remember, when he's cleaning out his locker, he's like, hello, what are you doing here? Good job, good job. I'm like, what is he doing there? Why is he hiding in a locker room? What's going on? I loved their dynamic, and I was like, oh, I wish I'd gotten more of this. Yeah. Because, boy, was that Creep City. But I think they were like, you've seen him kill Spader Prime, so you think he's the bad guy. Well, also, so weird to be like, okay, first of all, his name is Jack. So I think they're trying to be like, that could be the Ripper. Oh, right, yeah. But then also, I don't know, I imagine Jack the Ripper is like...

27:58Jason Mantzoukas:Do you know that Jack the Ripper never raped anybody?

28:04I was going to say, I imagine Jack the Ripper being, I don't know, an unassuming bald man of a regular height. Just like, you know, into stuff.

28:11Jason Mantzoukas:Wife was out of town, no big deal. Stuff like that. Drives a Tesla. Exactly. Says stuff like, if you want to talk about it, just come sit in my Tesla with me. But no, I just thought it was like weird casting choice that they cast this like seven foot tall half man half foosball table to like. He is so big. He's too big. Like I just felt like immediately it was like it can't be him. He's like jock jams 3000. Oh, I agree. His head's a football and he speaks in sports. No, he's too big. He's too big. His presence on screen is like forced perspective. Yes. It forces him to seem as though he's Gandalf and everybody else is a hobbit.

28:50Jason Mantzoukas:Yeah. and he is now I do want to break this down what did he do because he went to that woman's apartment to give her a free not free abortion oh right yes right he was going to get some snacks out of it but no he also is doing it in her apartment which seemed weird and unsanitary but he's going to give her an abortion but then she's murdered no yes yes and then that one lone no you were really on an island there no no no she's alive she's alive in the movie she lives she survives fake news everybody lives in the movie there was no jack the ripper i know what a dead girl looks like and that ain't it she's actually no she's an immortal character she can't be killed so in my he does not kill her right but but what happened like i guess what i'm trying to do is what happened did he go there give an abortion left and no let me at least finish and you can tell me i'm wrong it's tim it's tim oh it's tim okay tim you you're allowed to talk um did he give her an abortion and then and then she's like you're all done and then he let the door open no he says he stepped out for something and when he came back she was deadsville tim he shows up and says i can give you the abortion for 200 bucks she says why are we gonna do it here he's like yeah of course so he gives her the abortion and then he leaves to go to the drugstore to get what he calls a prescription i don't know who prescribed it but when he comes back she's dead yeah okay that's what i was basically saying up here and you're like no no that was what i was saying he did the abortion left and then someone killed her and he was like yeah so so you know I guess is the idea that Sidney is following him around?

30:42Here's Sidney's whole deal. He's like, let me kill every woman I've ever met through the clinic where I work. That's like me killing every man I've ever done improv with. How long do you think the police would take to be like, it's the Zip Zap Zop murderer? The police in this movie are embarrassingly bad. They are given the slip by everybody. They're terrible. Yeah, they're like adults in a kid's movie where they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Spader is kind of giving me Macaulay Culkin Home Alone vibes in this. But with softer skin and bigger pecs. Yes. And man, when Spader's brother dies, when Spader Prime dies, and Bad Boy Spader wakes up like in tighty-whities in bed, that's where I got confused.

31:28And I was like, oh, it was all a dream. And then I was like, hang on. I don't think it was all a dream.

31:33Jason Mantzoukas:I rewound it. It really was like, boy, did we drill down on him in that bed in those briefs. I was like, now we're just doing vintage Spader. And then put him in a convertible, let him drive around to L.A. I was like, I'll watch this to the tune of some song by a guy named Paul Sacks. Okay, I have some info about this. If you don't play the songs from this movie, this is better than Drive. This movie is better than Drive Alright, so I want to do something This might upset you, Jason But what happened here in this movie was The director, Rowdy Wanted to get a song by Peter Gabriel Okay And Peter Gabriel said, no So he found another artist And he's like, can you duplicate the Peter Gabriel song as close as you can without getting sued.

32:31Jason Mantzoukas:So now we'll put them both together and you will see a little mashup. When harvest comes Red rain is falling down Red rain Love it. That was the... Love it. I'll shout out. The Peter Gabriel song is Red Rain and Stuart Copeland from The Police plays only hi-hats on that song. and it's incredible. I love the music. I love the way that this movie is, but I want to go back to the Emperor Palpatine-Anakin-Skywalker relationship just for a second. Hey, sorry, I'm not so familiar. So is this when Natalie Portman is two girls?

33:18Jason Mantzoukas:Now, she also died in childbirth, so maybe... Wow. You think Jack the Ripper got Amidala? 100 years ago in a galaxy far, far away. On the pre-anniversary. This is the only clue that we have that these two are working together. Oh, Creep. What are you doing here?

33:47Sidney. You scared me.

33:54I forgot some of my stuff and I needed it. Well, you're not supposed to be in here after hours Especially after what's already happened I understand I was just leaving Jack Sir I've, uh I've been meaning to tell you You do good work

34:20Jason Mantzoukas:Unlimited power Thank you, sir Now go have some fun yes sir both of these people are murderers we see that I thought that was a coded I thought that was a coded scene like we've been working together and you've been no no I don't think I don't think it is Tim I don't I don't think it is but I think the I think it's absolutely insane that they are both murderers and are just don't know it and are just like hanging out in the same space. Wait, Jack's a murderer too? Well, he hanged Spader. He killed Spader Prime. Well, because he thought that Spader Prime was going to say that he was the murderer.

35:08Jason Mantzoukas:That's self-defense. What? That was self-defense.

35:20I mean, this is a take that only works from the front seat of a Tesla.

35:28Jason Mantzoukas:he was like what are you talking about he was like i didn't kill her i didn't kill her and then he's like oh this guy's gonna fuck up everything i've been studying to be a doctor this guy's gonna i'm gonna be fucked he's like i gotta kill this guy i gotta track him down and kill him multiple ways this is what this is the wildest of takes i just think that it was a one-time thing. That's enough! It's enough that he killed one spader. Never mind that he goes after the other one. Because they won't leave him alone. He's like, I didn't do anything. I'm a good doctor. The guy likes my work. I'm just trying to succeed.

36:06Jason Mantzoukas:I bought a girl a book. I didn't rape anybody. I'm giving out $200 portions in the house. Yeah, but Paul, why does that guy have a pre-made noose ready at the office? That's, I always suggest to everyone carry that, especially if you live in L.A. Okay, he killed him in the church doctor's office, right? Okay, so they were fighting, they're grappling over the phone. He called the police. He said, hello, I think I know who it was. Hang up. And then he drags him to the other side of the church where a noose is coiled up in weight. Well, that was after Easter services.

36:42Wait, do you think they hung Christ?

36:45Jason Mantzoukas:I grew up in... Is that what you grew up in? What church did you go to? Greek Orthodox. Wait a minute. A lot of people say they put on the cross. No. How do they get him up there? They got to get him up there. And then they throw plates at his feet. That actually makes perfect sense. The cross should just be for Christ. It's his symbol. It's like he was killed and then the church is asked to follow and to die for Christ. That's something we got to do ourselves. That's noose. That's not cross. 100%. We should start wearing little noose around our necks. You go out with that theory. I go out with my Jack the Ripper series.

37:20Jason Mantzoukas:We're going to make a lot of friends.

37:24Jason Mantzoukas:Now, Spader 2 moves to L.A., but seemingly is packed like Indiana Jones packs the Raiders of the Lost Ark. Like, why is he packing a wooden... He has a wooden shipping crate. He works at Foot Locker. What was that about? He works at Foot Locker? He's working at Foot Locker, or the equivalent thereof. motherfucker has like genuine old school wooden crates in his apartment with a gun inside. It's like the kind of a crate that you order like an exotic monkey in. Yes. Yes. Or I guess a non-exotic monkey could come in it as well. No, I meant like a little sexy one that strips. Oh, okay.

38:08Jason Mantzoukas:But like what is he wearing before he strips? Like an astronaut costume? Depends what the theme is. All right, I like that. I mean, the... Do you have the hypnosis scene? Ah, yes, of course I do. Also, how come... Do we anymore describe things as stiff as a board? Like, is a board a measure of stiffness anymore? Do we still talk in board terms? What are you literally talking about? Yes, see? No. See? A board, there's nothing stiffer. We still have those. We do? Yes. I don't hear people talking about the stiffness of things as it relates to boards. Have you ever heard people go, stiff as a board, light as a feather?

38:47I don't think that's changed. You don't think so? You think kids now are still saying stiff as a board? I don't think it's coming up that much. Hey, lady, don't get testy with me.

39:00Jason Mantzoukas:I hear a lot of kids say stiff as an android. Yes. But this is 1988. Here's the hypnotist scene with Robert Picardo. Yeah, we love Robert Picardo. All right, Richard, your left arm is as stiff as a board. Oh. Jesus, fuming. That happened quick. I mean, absurd. Say one thing you think that's stiff-like. All right, Richard, you may relax your arm now and place it back in your lap.

39:35Now I'm going to lead you back to the clinic.

39:43It's dark. It's effective. What is it, Richard? He's so good.

39:56Richard? Richard?

40:02Jason Mantzoukas:Richard?

40:08Jason Mantzoukas:It's all right, Richard. It's all right. so hot I mean that's electric to watch he is so the only other and I mean this when I say I do think he is one of the great actors of this generation and one of the only people who as well as having some of the most unreal good looks is willing to do Nick Cage level nonsense at all times Well, I was also thinking, I was like, what a fucking, what an incredible guy. In a different world, too. He could have had a Christopher Walken career, too, because he's doing, like, there's an intensity there that's kind of just amazing. But I also don't understand this from a plot point of view.

40:55Jason Mantzoukas:He is tied to his twin. I get that. I get that idea. But when he's hypnotized, he then transfers into the twin's body? Okay, I have to help you guys because you're confused. so everybody seems to be having a problem with like the twin of it all so I was raised on like Olsen and Olsen detective agency and like Lindsay Lohan playing two girls and the Olsen girls going to camp and all that stuff so usually what happens is one girl is British wait are these movies still available? not for you pervert okay one girl is British and she's rich and the other girl wears a backwards hat like stuff like that it's simply easy to understand and of course all twins are connected and yes if you hypnotize them they will see the murder of the other twin as evidenced by both Olsens in It Takes Two that was a shocking scene and that's why it got an NC-17 on the original cut here's something you might want to know too identical twins don't have identical fingerprints someone's never been fingered by a twin

42:01because let me tell you you can feel it

42:03Jason Mantzoukas:I thought I was I thought I was and then I fingerprinted them afterwards. Somewhere someone is like, hang on. I would love that twin prank. Just one person pretending to be twins instead of two people pretending to be one. Oh, it must have been my twin. That's such a good idea. I was like, is it too late for me to start that?

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45:07Jason Mantzoukas:That's babbel, B-A-B-B-E-L dot com slash bonkers for up to 60 % off. Rules and restrictions may apply. So the whole movie is a cat and mouse between Jack the Ripple. No, it's not. Not Jack, right? It's Jack, the guy that we think is Jack the Ripper. No. Tim! but like i mean like that's what we're like but we're chasing this thing the entire time and we get to see these great james spader fight scenes where he punches like a hail hitler like he he punches up i've never seen a he flips the 260 pound man over his back and then ends it by double nut kicking him he just in order to hobble the guy he just kicks him hard in the nuts twice Spader is never on screen for any action no strikes, no nothing they have scenes where his legs just come into frame and hit strikes come into frame that Spader is not doing Spader is I mean what I really love this movie is when he is just acting in the environment, like when he goes into his brother's house and he looks at the bookshelf and he's looking at the books and they're just medical books.

46:26Jason Mantzoukas:And you think, oh, is this important? No, they're just medical books. Like, there's nothing telling about that. Yeah, he's a medical student and those are the books. But it's like... But it's so compelling. Even in those boring nothing scenes, I'm still like, I'll watch this fucker do whatever he wants. When he, like, picks up a picture that I think is of himself and then looks at himself in the mirror and is like, I've aged. It's like, yes, that's your child there. Can we talk about this? Was that picture a picture of him marrying the sex worker who got killed? He took her to prom? What? Wait, what?

47:03Jason Mantzoukas:I did not get that. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I was looking at something. There's even more connections? So, wait. Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Oh, whoa, wait. So Spader knew Denise? Wait, so, so. What? I did not put that together. He doesn't even know she's dead. He does? Wait, which Spader is that? Prime. Oh, okay. All right, assholes. Forgive me, I thought it was the other. I thought it was second Spader. Okay, okay, okay. I'm figuring it out. This audience is getting on my nerves. Wait, wait, wait. Okay, wait. I have it. I had it for a second. I understood the movie for one moment. Prime Spader, he's a doctor.

47:48He's in the office. He goes, I'd like to take a closer look at that pregnant prostitute. Like he's interested. And we go, oh, that's... Is he Australian? And we're like, oh, it's because he's going to kill her tonight on the night where he's supposed to kill a pregnant sex worker. But instead, the twist is, he's like, I took her to prom and I'd love to say hello again. So I'm going to go find her personal medical file and pay her a visit at her home tonight. Yes. I think that's I think that's now what's going on this is the night he's picked to go visit Daryl Hannah in her home to say remember me we went to prom together but he runs into a co-worker who was just there giving an abortion and another co-worker who was just on the way out from killing her

48:36Jason Mantzoukas:but he's not a killer though he's not a killer at all he just wanted to say hi going to reconnect oh Oh, weird. Weird way to reconnect. Because what's so weird about it is this, because she's a foot in front of his desk. Yeah, why doesn't she say like, oh, they're like, they're remembering prom right here. You stay off the streets, you understand.

49:01You tell that to my pimp. Oh, boy. Don't you care about your unborn child? He's like, prom. I know her from prom. In my office. He's like, wait, didn't we go to prom together? He's like, thank you, by the way, for letting me wear a blazer as my doctor's jacket. Oh, this is so insane. It is so crazy. The movie that is, again, set in Los Angeles, the city where we now are, posits a world in which everybody lives in a three-block radius of each other. Because, once again, Second Spader moves across the park from this location.

49:45Jason Mantzoukas:Hermione lived half a block away from my old house and I wanted to drive by today. At the Shakespeare Bridge? Yes, it was so exciting. I wanted to go over and see that. Loved seeing... I loved the driving around Los Angeles of this movie. I mean, it's basically an Echo Park movie, right? I mean, that's... There was a bunch of stuff. There was also Hollywood and... That section that's the movie theaters, Hollywood and Vine there, kind of. No, no, no, not Vine. Where the Cubs used to play. Where the Cubs used to play. Before they moved to Chicago. Right. Now, does he know that in that, like, triple X theater, this guy just sells guns?

50:24Jason Mantzoukas:How does he know that? Yeah. Because he used to be in the gang. Because he used to be a bad boy, I guess? Yeah. So it's like, since he's left and come back, he's like, yeah, well, you can always buy a gun off of that guy. Why? Here's my question. Wouldn't it make more sense if there was good Spader and bad Spader? Yes. Why isn't Bad Spader just a bad guy? Why does he work at Foot Locker? And it's not because he's like, later in the thing, he's like, hmm, look at these treads. That's what I thought was going to happen. I think our killer is wearing Sauconies. Where did my brother see Sauconies while he was getting strangled?

51:00I think they were setting this up to be a Nickelodeon movie, and then something went badly wrong because they were going to be like, it's funny, there's a doctor brother and a shoe brother. Yeah. And wouldn't it be funny if they got hypnotized and had to swap lives? The street life of... Of Spader and Spader. And then the shoe brother's like, I'm doing surgery. I don't know how to do this. And then the doctor brother's in the shoe store and he's like,

51:26Jason Mantzoukas:well, I can sell you shoes. It's actually easy. Wait, you know what? I think you're right because even the opening title sequence, like the Jack's Back is written in a fun font. Yeah. It's not written in like, Jack's Back. It's like, Jack's Back. You also understand, what is Jack's back? There's a character named Jack. They talk about Jack the Ripper, obviously Jack the Ripper. But also, Second Spader is back in town. There's too many competing elements that are the same bit or game. You know what else it could be? Remember the movie Jack? Yeah, it was Robin Williams. So that's a little boy who's in a big man's body.

52:04Jason Mantzoukas:Can I tell you something about Robin Williams?

52:10Jason Mantzoukas:Just something fun. Don't give him an applause break for that. Do you have the scene where Spader's in his brother's apartment? I do. I want to show you one thing before. Did you guys notice this? The My Buddy doll. Oh, wow. There's a My Buddy doll in the cop office. And I was like, what is that? Do you want to tell... Is it a My Buddy? Yes, it is. The striped shirt. Do you want to tell Lisa what a My Buddy is in your relationship to? it? This is something you fucked when you were a kid? Oddly, more disturbing. It fucked you? Yep. My buddy, my buddy, my buddy and me, we can climb up a tree. He goes to my...

52:58Is that why 50 Cent made a song like that? It's a joke? Because you know the 50 Cent song? It's like, my buddy, my buddy, wherever I go, he goes. It's about a gun.

53:08Jason Mantzoukas:Oh, wow. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. So isn't it so crazy the difference between like a cool girl and like guys who are not cool?

53:17You didn't even know. That's my buddy. That's all I like. I carry my doll around.

53:24Jason Mantzoukas:Well, I was going to tell you, I begged my parents for my buddy because I had no friends on my block or anybody to hang out with. And I just wanted to have a buddy. Now don't you feel stupid? I feel bad. And Paul, I want to tell you something. I had a Susie Stretch. Did you guys have this or was it just like a bad Canada toy? Whoa, I want to know. Is it like a Stretch Armstrong type of a, like you could pull the. She was a doll, but she had like accordion arms. So like when she was in her resting place, she was like this. A resting place? Wait, did she come with a coffin? Yeah. Bring me to my resting place.

54:03Okay, she, you could like. Each doll comes with a wooden coffin and shovel.

54:07Jason Mantzoukas:Stiff as a board in a resting place. A chisel and a block of granite. Make her headstone. That would have been more fun than what she was. Oh, my God. Her shoes were like secretly slippers. So she's this big. She's like a baby, basically, right? And so I could wear her feet like shoes. I could slip my feet into her feet, and I could put my hands into her hands, and then I'd stretch her up big like this, and she'd be the same size as me, but we'd be face-to-face fucking walking around the house together. This is terrifying. Okay. This is honest to God. What are you talking about? I still. Wait, is that how it's supposed to be played with?

54:46Is it called Susie Stretch? Susie Stretch, yeah. Is that how it's supposed to be played with, or that's just what you were doing? I don't, I didn't know how else to play with her, and I can still remember her, like, hard plastic head against my head. Whoa, I don't like it. I don't want to, I don't, oh, it's on, okay, it's on Etsy. There she is. How about YouTube for a commercial? Yeah, commercial. Right there, right there. It's 1995. Yes, yes. All of our dreams have come true. Full screen.

55:12Whoa!

55:25Really stretches!

55:31Ah! She's dead! What?

55:38holy shit holy shit I mean what's just and I don't know if you remember this but what's just abundantly clear is it just looks like she's going down on every little girl it just looks like you fastened her head to your crotch that girl was too tall I was the same size as her that is more scary than anything that we saw in this movie I would believe Susie's stretch is Jack the Ripper more than another girl has been stretched in Los Angeles wow

56:11Jason Mantzoukas:wow lieutenant we found her she was stretched stretched to death let's go out to the crowd and talk to y 'all what do you got Michael here recommended this movie he's in the audience tonight if you have a question Michael I'll come to you obviously as well Tim I'm going back to you what do you got so with the killer it's Jack's back he's copycatting Jack the Ripper they're all about it's got to be tonight it's got to be in her house it's got to be a pregnant woman that's the final murder he goes to the house he murders her like his opus is complete the headline came true he's got all the glory he needs why does he go kill her my own yeah like why does he want to kill the female doctor that spader is running around with in her bmw like why why because he's just i think creeping on her like that's who's watching her through the window Or was she on to him or something?

57:05Oh, I don't know. I don't know. I don't think so. Also, when he killed the woman that had just gotten the abortion, she technically wasn't pregnant anymore. I just want to... Can I just... Now, hang on. Now, hang on.

57:22Jason Mantzoukas:Well, actually, what makes sense is Mary Kelly, the Ripper's final victim, was not pregnant at the time of the murder. Oh, okay. It's a popular claim. Oh. But there's no historical documents to prove that she was pregnant. Oh, wow. So this movie is... Why do you have so much, frankly, gross information about Jack? It's my hobby. My hobby is Jack. How come all those papers are printed out from your blog? They're just photocopies of my writings. These are my writings. Yes. Hi, what's your name? What's your question? David? My theory is, in the scene where he's getting hypnotized, The second half of that scene is him experiencing what happened to his brother, slipping back into that moment before he's being killed.

58:08That's real. But the first portion of that is something that is totally different. It's him, unbeknownst to everybody else, when he was running with the Latin Kings when he was younger, he came into the habit of otter-otic asphyxiation. So in that first part, he's slipping into that. Wait, what's going on? Let him go. Let him cook! So when he's slipping back into that memory, he's like, hold up. This is kind of working for me. So he's in that moment where his brother's getting choked out, and he's, like, getting off on it. And he's actually, that's his O face. He's coming as he's getting hypnotized.

58:50And then after he comes, he comes back into the scene, and then he experiences the death of his brother. I think you're 100 % right on.

58:58Jason Mantzoukas:Can you come here? What are you guys thinking? David, please come to every show and tell us which scene contained that actor's O-face. Our O-face correspondent, David. Yes, hi. What's your name? What's your question? Corey? I think more attention needs to be paid on when he grabbed her by the hair at the end and she went flying. Yes. Like, into the pillows. Because I rewound that, like, three times. Like, why does he have super strength? He is an old man. And I'm saying that as an old man, because I bet if I looked it up, the actor playing Sidney is younger than I am currently. When shooting this movie would be my guess.

59:41Based on that time, I looked up Wilford Brimley in a movie we did, and he was one year older than me at the time. Which I have not recovered from.

59:51Jason Mantzoukas:I believe Danny Glover is 44 in the first Lethal Weapon, where he's too old for this shit. Yeah. that's a very disturbing fact and he also age was a different time back then Michael you're over here so Michael's the one who brought it to us thank you Michael for recommending this movie I want to make sure that you get a chance to offer up any thoughts thank you Paul I just want to give a shout out to my brother-in-law Chris who I watched this movie with last March are you guys identical? No. Brother-in-law. Brother-in-law. That's true. Could be pop. But their fingerprints do match. Weird. Don't ask my sister how she figured that out.

1:00:43That's right, Michael. You don't take shit from these idiots. That's right. They've been acting crazy all night. Real quick. Did you notice what the name of the shoe store was, Jason? What was it? Second Soul. Oh, okay. Because he's the second soul of Prime Spader. Got it. Why? Honestly, this audience sucks.

1:01:11Jason Mantzoukas:I am going to believe that this movie did not have the budget to do that, and there is a shoe store called Second Soul because it's your business shoe and then your casual shoe. All right. We'll look up that at one point. Okay. So, real question. when dark spader is flashing back during the hypnosis when he zooms up into the hypnotist house yes when he's having his orgasm scene when when when robert picardo is hanging with his mom in a man in a mansion somewhere yeah he looks like it looks as though spader has arrived at like a 1950s mansion like in the middle of the night robert picardo's wearing like a dress like a smoking jacket or something.

1:01:54I was perplexed. So he flashes back and sees through Prime Spader's eyes the doctor winking at him from behind the curtain while he's being strung up. So is he seeing it from a third person's perspective? No, that's what his brother saw when he was dying. He's seeing it through his brother's eyes. Okay, thank you. So he's just seeing more of the event now, including the fact that Sidney the creepy doctor was there wearing Sauconies, which Spader, Bad Spader, is like, fuck, shoes are my superpower. So that means two things. That means two things. One, that Prime Spader took the time to check out the shoes that he was wearing, and that he knew that Sidney was behind the murders all along before he died.

1:02:44Jason Mantzoukas:Well, that's the thing. He could have said, I know it's not you. Let me down. So I don't think it was a technical murder. What? because he knew and he didn't let on that he knew so wait you want justice for Jack? yeah Jack was forced to Jack was forced to kill finally I'm going to vindicate you a little bit Jack the Ripper was a bad guy and Jack was a murderer don't point at me I'm not Jack however I think that you were correct that they were working together in a Palpatine Anakin but it was about the abortions. He knew that he was going out and doing the abortions and saying good work. Oh, why?

1:03:27No, no, no. No. Come up here and fight me. Because the guy, the Christmas Carol man who is the bad grumpy man who works at the clinic.

1:03:39Jason Mantzoukas:The actual Jack the Ripper copycat killer. Yeah, he said, think of your unborn child. Like he was like a pro-lifer. He's too pro-life, I agree. And then the other guy, The abortion giver was also not a good guy because he was just doing it for money on the side. The only good guy that would give you an abortion that would actually feel good would be Spader. Spader Prime. Spader Prime. I think, I mean, I did kind of want bad Spader to, like, impersonate his brother at some point and try and do doctor stuff. Yeah. That would have been cool. Hi, what's your name? Dominique. Okay, and what's your question?

1:04:11Well, I think I can put it all together. Wow, I love this. So I think that the psychiatrist actually also hypnotized. the main doctor of the clinic. Okay. And he was influencing Jack, the other medical guy. Okay. And so they were kind of, were kind of working together. Wait, including the hypnotist? So you're saying they're all together? It doesn't make any other sense for him to get so mad when he's like, you know who did it. And then he like pulls out the gun and is about to shoot him. Yeah, well that's - I thought that too because that's when I thought the movie was trying to tell us. And I do think the movie is trying to obfuscate things more.

1:04:48I felt like the moment when Robert Picardo is reaching the guy and saying you think you know is meant to make us feel like oh maybe it's him

1:04:56Jason Mantzoukas:so alright so what we're saying is Robert Picardo is the main villain he is hypnotizing people to go out and do his bidding so they don't even know that's why the guy's got dark circles under his eyes and he lives with his mother Dominique I'm not sure I don't know if that's it I mean if they're all all the murderers live with their moms is what we heard yeah and he's hypnotized his mom to keep paying the mortgage and buying him the cereal he likes i would love it i would love it if it's revealed that they are mom i said give me a sally stretch none of my buddy

1:05:35um yes okay yes what's your question so i'm michael number two um i'm an anesthesiologist and i just wanted to bring up three things that are accurate in the movie short white coats for medical students. Second, attendings, when you're going through that whole process, you don't work for them. They can't fire you. They kind of own you and you're like basically like slave labor for them. And if you told one of them to fuck off, they would probably try to murder you in your sleep like Hermione. And lastly, as a Latino man, a Latino mother waking up in her 70s to see if you're okay in the middle of the night, completely accurate, especially in Los Angeles.

1:06:14Jason Mantzoukas:Wow Well now we've really tied it all together I mean there's nothing else to say Wow wow wow He's just getting up in the middle of the night To do some hypnotizing You've gotta hypnotize me What a crazy thing to show up in the middle of the night You just gotta hypnotize me Don't make me think I'm a chicken

1:06:38Jason Mantzoukas:Obviously we have opinions about this movie But there are people out there with a different opinion and it is now time for second opinions.

1:06:48Hi, my name is Stephanie. Thank you. Okay. Some folks are dumb. They don't know we're lied. Stars, they give one or two. Amazon asks, how good was this film? Oh, they say the fans are fools. No, it ain't three. It ain't three. It ain't even number four, four. It ain't three. It ain't three. I'll only give it five stars. Yes! Amazing! Great job. Wow, wow, wow. Wow.

1:07:33Jason Mantzoukas:While our singers were singing, I was able to do some research, and I found out indeed Second Soul is a shoe store that does exist for runners. In L.A.? It doesn't matter. Who cares? It doesn't make a difference. Yeah, but there we go. But it probably was in L.A. Wow. Yeah, so there we go. Let me give you this here. The average rating of this movie is 4.6 out of 5 stars. 76 reviews are 5-star reviews. Only 2 % are 1-star. And this will start off with Gov. Gov writes, Why do people in the 80s hate curtains? Five stars. True. True. Very true. Harold wrote, James Spader, as a blonde in this, walked so Carmi from the bear could run.

1:08:28Jason Mantzoukas:Five stars. Interesting. They're both kind of jacked little guys. Yeah. and they do kind of both do like just like like weird stuff with their tongues sometimes okay doesn't don't they kind of go like sometimes you got some solid yes they both do lizard I don't know I was noticing what James Spader was doing with his tongue oh yeah okay very cool maybe I'm the only one couple other people noticed it as well you might want to like start a little club from a review that it says reviewed in Japan in 2019 James Spader I am good at acting I watched it the story itself was different from my imagination looking at the jacket and it was quite interesting it may be because I'm dull but I didn't know the true culprit until the end and I was pounding the floor watching it there's no good things in movies right now there were no Japanese subtitles or dubbing but I'm not good at English I enjoyed it it's a movie i want to watch it i was glad to watch it five stars

1:09:41incredible that made more sense than anything manzoukas has said this entire show how dare you sorry how dare you because my english isn't so good no your english is perfect your ideas are stupid and bad how dare you now i did uh i did ask

1:09:57Jason Mantzoukas:somebody about this film. I told Miss June Diane Rayfield, I said, the movie that we are doing, she said, please forgive she's wearing a wig, she's in full costume, she's in a period piece show. I gave her the title and the year, and I said, you tell us what it's about. Hi, how did this get made listeners and hi, people of Largo. So Paul and Jason told me that this movie is called Jack's Back. Jack's Back. And they asked if I could figure out what the movie was about, just based on the title alone, in the year, which is 1988. Now, of course, initially I thought, oh, it's probably about a dad named Jack who dies early, too soon.

1:10:48And every winter comes back as a snowman. and the moral being Snow Dad is better than No Dad. But then that sounded too familiar and too reminiscent of a different movie. So I don't think it's that. I think Jack is Jack of Jack and Jill.

1:11:13And he's a killer doll. He's a killer doll. And he's thrown away. when his owner, sort of like Andy in Toy Story, was coming of age. He was discarded rather rudely and unceremoniously. And he's back. He's back. He's never forgotten what's happened. And he's ready to seek revenge. Jack's back. Great. Incredible. I would watch that.

1:11:48Jason Mantzoukas:Jack's back. I can't believe you got such a hot woman to do this stupid show. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Oh, any final thoughts? Do you have any of the other scenes that have music in them, the saxophone? I might. There was just some next-level 80s saxophone stuff while Spader's, like, sitting on his porch petting a cat? Oh, yeah. Oh, in between shifts at Second Soul? I did want to talk about this scene this is the one scene before we go that I think is worthy of chatting about isn't it a little late? this is an emergency, may we come in? I'm not really dressed it's okay, we're police officers

1:12:38not a lot's changed, L.A. this scene pissed me off but I also am at odds with myself because I also was the same person who was so mad that he jangled the gate when she was about to take her bra off. So I was like, I was looking forward to seeing tits, and then later I was like, those cops are so rude.

1:13:00Jason Mantzoukas:It seems that the cops are into being pervs. Like, they are like... Yeah, man, they're creeps. They're trigger-happy creeps. All right, well, we don't have to be that rude about them. I mean, people said a lot of bad things about Jack the Ripper. Oh, God. And two of them we know are not true. Any final thoughts on the film? Any final anything? I loved the movie, and I love you guys, and I'm glad you made me watch it. I'm so happy that you're here. It's so great. I had a blast. You know, we've had to watch so, so many bad movies that are truly bad and a slog. This was a delight. Not once did I have a note that was like, how is there still 45 minutes left?

1:13:42I more was like, it's over already? I literally sat down. I looked for the soundtrack.

1:13:48Jason Mantzoukas:I sat down. I sat down. I was like, I'll watch 30 minutes. I'll get this out of the way. And then I'll watch some more later. I watched the whole thing. I didn't move. I didn't move. I was sad I hadn't seen it when it came out. And I was 16 years old. I'm surprised you like it so much. Because didn't you keep calling it, like, Lufglalias? Wait, what? Lufglanias? Lufglarius. Lufglarius? Lufglanius. Lufgranius. Laborious? Lugwacious. Lugubrius? Lugubrius. Luf... Luf... Luf... Lufguglius. Lufgranius. Lufgranius. Lufgranius? Lufgranius. Lufgranius. Well, that's the shirt. Luglisglanius. It's a picture of Lisa, and it just says, Lufgranius?

1:14:39Question mark? Lufgranius. disease. And that's your, or that's as if you're Hermione and that's a spell? Yes. Lufgarious.

1:14:53Jason Mantzoukas:That is the shirt. All right. Thank you, everybody. Good night. We love you, April. April. April. April. April. April. April. April. April. April. April.

1:15:12Jason Mantzoukas:Thank you so much, everybody. Really nice of you. Thank you so much. Give it for Lisa. Thank you, everybody. Thanks for having me. I love you guys. Eat shit, LA. Thanks again to the hilarious Lisa Gilroy for filling in for June. And a huge thank you to our pals at Largo, Flanny, Griffey, Alec in the booth, and our recording engineer, Brendan Burns. We'll be back in Los Angeles at Largo for two shows on October 22nd and 23rd. So go to hdtgm.com to get your tickets because they will sell out. Now, our t-shirt for this show is pretty special. It says, Lou Fogelius, with a graphic of Lisa as Hermione casting a spell.

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1:16:31Jason Mantzoukas:To be in an airport bookstore, that really means that you made it. I want to shout out that Weapons is now on VOD, so if you missed June in the theater, here is your chance to catch it all again. And remember, if you're listening to our show on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, please make sure you are subscribed to our feed and have automatic downloads turned on in the show settings. It helps us, and we appreciate it. And last but not least, I got to thank our entire team for who the show could not be done without. I'm talking about our producers, Scott Sonny, Molly Reynolds, our movie-picking producer Averill Halley, and our engineer Casey Holford.

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