Jade (Classic)

28:54She's studying exactly what her husband is suffering from. But she says at that lobby conference that she does that she's... In a place that's used for an airport in LA. Like that place is... I feel like I've shot in that place. I thought she was introduced as somebody who studies violence in the workplace. I was also like, is violence in the workplace a thing? Rage and violence. Like I know in the postal system, but everywhere? No, no, no, for sure. You're absolutely right. And she talks about it as if it is like a seminar. It's happening here, there, and everywhere. An epidemic. Exactly. As if you would give a corporation like a sexual harassment seminar or a safety in the workplace seminar.

29:34She's giving one about people who, the frequent occurrence of people flying into blind rages. And everyone is in a suit. So this is a high profile. This is like a high level company. And she's getting a private jet to go there. So I didn't know if that was her own private jet or the company sent a private. well that's a good question but then also she seems to be a an art curator so seemingly yes now is that just like oh i have this job but i'm also on the board because she's on the board of the museum okay and that's why she's talking to the guy that was murdered but that seems to be like are you bringing in collections like is that part of the deal she was responsible for like curating like all the fertility masks and like specific pieces oh my god the wait we have to talk about the opening of this this oh yeah i have so many issues with the lead character who we never meet and i want to just call out somebody that no one's going to give any credit to which is the person who did photoshop in this film it is the best photoshop jason and i talked about this it's terrible in wonder woman here the photoshop looks it looks like he is with reagan it looks like he is with nixon great photoshop even with the david caruso photoshop later on it's not bad and for a movie that came out so long ago not bad at all so you're going through this house and it's, I think, pretty atrociously appointed.

30:54It very, you know, it has a very Asian theme to it. Like it's like a general Asia, right? I feel like that there's like, there's a lot of these cabinets. It's things that like my mom would get in our house. We had a lot of these same cabinets that were like Asia influence, but I don't, you know, but you got them at like pier one. And you're going up the stairs and you're hearing like this muffled talking. And then the music, if you have closed captioning on, you can hear what it says, what's being said.

31:25Jason Mantzoukas:Oh, what were they saying? Anything worthwhile? It's all like general, like, what are you doing here? Get out of here. You know, it's those kind of exclamation. It's not, it doesn't give you pertinent information or anything. So as you're hearing that muffled thing, the music crescendos so high, like, dun, dun, dun, on this, on this fertility mask, which plays no part in the entire film. nor does it crescendo with the scene that it just keeps on going on i'm like what is happening here like who chose a musical choice like you they do a thing when you see him dead yeah they do a thing in this movie which is to create a sense of like things are weird here by incorporating a ton of like um mad like the art collection of this man who is the murder victim uh that is the catalyst for the movie.

32:17His art collection is like rare artifacts and masks from all over the world. So he's like appropriating all of these like tribal masks. And, and so the walls are decorated with these. I can just feel like I can see Friedkin being like, I want masks everywhere. I want, I want it to feel like everybody's watching because that's what this movie's about is people watching people fuck and die. And those are the eyes and the masks are watching. They know what's going on you know but to its point the masks never play a role like i was thinking yes no we're gonna see a sex scene with those masks on they're like oh who's behind it we don't know that's just what you wanted you invented that by the way june asked a question that i fell asleep for but then i re-watched it last night after she went to bed and i was like why was linda fiorentino wearing the stocking over her face is that i i wrote that down too okay yeah i don't understand is that a sexual thing is that you when i asked you you immediately said because it's sexy no i was joking because i woke up i didn't see i thought i thought she was breaking into a house and had i thought she was breaking into a house and had stocking on her i felt like on the day they were like i don't know what if you put some pantyhose over your face like it felt like it was maybe Maybe this is something people do during sex.

33:37Yeah, it was like, I don't understand. It was like, we want to show something very sexy, but we don't, we can't show a lot of the things. Oh my God. I loved the crime scene walkthrough where all the sex toys and everything are out. And our favorite policeman is like, get a load of this. This is the inflatable sex. It looks like an inflatable neck pillow. And he's reading the description. instructions on that there's so many instructions that he's reading off of the pillow itself hey number one i mean i'm not touching that pillow oh he's got it fully inflated also it has just been inflated which must mean it was just used oh so why is he handling it so casually and why is the box on the pillow i mean it's it's literally it's an advertisement for the pillow on the box Deep-seated massage oil.

34:32And over here we have a harmony pillow. This pillow allows deeper penetration by positioning both partners most advantageously. It raises the female hips, facilitating male entry. You can inflate the pillow to varying degrees of hardness or softness while enjoying the thrill of rotary and floating action. It's not in the box. He's reading it directly off the pillow. No, he's reading it off of the pillow itself. I know what I'm saying, but he is reading what you would put on the box. Oh, yeah. It's like printed on the... And I do feel like for that kind of stuff, you want it, like if someone walks in, you want it to look like it could just be a part of your decor.

35:12It also is like, and I wonder if you... It's too small. June in your... It was pretty small. Yeah. The version of you watching it with your parents and so forth. like that guy when they first enter the room, he grabs like a little bottle and he says like, blah, blah, blah, scented massage oil. As if like, as if that's the most insane thing you could consider. Oh, I mean. It's like lube or massage oil being used during sex is like perversion. Guys, they literally are in a room full of veiny dildos and they look at this pillow. that is and i know i'm saying pillow wrong that's my own thing don't worry about it i don't need critiques it's it's hard for me to have to think about that word um pillow but a pillow uh he's wait wait wait what are you guys how are you wrong i say pillow i say pillow i say pillow because we're both from long island that's why yeah okay i didn't know i know i say i say i say worry wrong okay say it again i don't know worry i'm worried about it yeah you say that wrong yeah but i i also say hot dog oh that first of all don't ever say that and popcorn um okay well i'm so that is those are amazing which are also apparently wrong all right so again just to get back to this scene because there's so much unpack in this in this house this this pillow pillow um is so small and it seems so like honestly not even that sexual it's like oh so i guess you could put that underneath your back like there's a really funny no paul you put it you know you don't put it on your back oh wait hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on i thought you don't it's not a you don't bring it on an airplane it's not a neck pillow No, no, no, no.

37:10What I'm saying is, Zoe, I don't want to be misconstrued. I'm saying that you could, you can use it in many different ways.

37:16Jason Mantzoukas:Like you could put it underneath your hips. So your hips are higher. So you could have a different entry point. You could put it. No, you put it. He describes it, babe. He reads the instructions. I'm just saying, but yes, okay. Okay. We're saying the same thing, but I also think that you could, I think you could also be laying on your back and put it underneath your, your, uh, the small of your back and launch your back. Cause I think it has multiple purposes. Look, hold on. Holy shit. How would you, it's a V that goes up. Like, no, it was multiple folds. Oh my God. There was a great bit in a burn after reading about like those sex pillows that like George Clooney has.

37:54It's like these big sex blocks. Like that, that's the sex. That's the fuck machine. no no that was like didn't he have like those big it almost looked like something you would see at a gymnastics uh like place it's like big cubes and stuff like that he because he builds that he builds that thing that you can sit on and that and and when you ride it right yeah the dildo comes out the middle so you it's a fuck machine okay well all right so anyway i just thought like i guess it's my understanding of it i think what you're right about paul maybe where i think it is if i thought the width of it was very small like it was very small It's like, this is for a smaller frame.

38:29It looked, I'll be honest, it looked like a travel pillow. Yes, definitely. It looked like an inflatable travel pillow.

38:35Jason Mantzoukas:It wasn't like, I guess what I'm saying is it wasn't like, ooh, what are they doing? It's like, oh, yeah, it's just so she can get fucked in the ass better. But here's my thing. My thing is, call me crazy, but if you need to raise someone's pelvis up, use a pillow. Right. Like a pillow that's on the bed. But you don't want to get that stuff on your head. Why do you need to go and inflate? It's cheap looking. The inflatable sex pillow is cheap looking. I think you're right about that. I think if you were to create something, and listen, I don't know where our merch is at if we want to get in the fuck pillow game.

39:10Get in it. Holy shit. Can you create a fuck pillow? Tee Public. Tee Public. Slash HTTGM slash fuck pillow. That's it. We're putting them out. I do think it could be. I think it could be great if it were more, if it had more like weight to it. Like it was like a Tempur-Pedic. If it was like a Tempur-Pedic material. So that you felt like it could really take a lot of punishing, but give you support. I'm drawing a picture of this for you now. Cause I believe that. I believe that if, okay, hold on. Okay. We gotta, we gotta see if T public or who, if we have to go outside of T public to manufacture, how did this get made branded fuck pillows?

39:52We'll do it. We just need to figure out what the design is. I don't know if you can see this. It may not show up. You see this? Yes. Okay. This is a t-shirt. This is a t-shirt. Send this to whoever immediately. This is the t-shirt. I'm confused, though. Which is the pillow? The pillow and the legs. The mistake you made, Paul. Wait, Paul, stop. Keep that so it can be the t-shirt. Don't alter that drawing. I can get it back. I can get it back. Oh my God. But that like that just gives you a little bit more of a.

40:33No. It's insane. Because we. Wait a minute. Wait a second. Wait a second. What is it? What is the. Paul is. Paul is drawing a stick figure couple having sex. which way is the prone person facing so this is missionary this is missionary but the hips are higher the hips don't hide why are the legs going straight out the point of that pillow is for it to lift your hips up up the hips are up because if she was down her butt would be on the bed But why are her legs flying straight out? Her legs seem to be, they need to be held aloft. Yeah, well, he's holding her legs. He's holding her legs right there.

41:27Why? It looks like her legs need like stirrups. Is this an OBGYN appointment? Is she getting a pap smear? What's happening?

41:36Jason Mantzoukas:I just think that if you put the cube as a triangle underneath the small of your back, you're lifting up. Here's what I'll say. I agree with you, Paul. I think the pillow can be used. either underneath you face down if you're the woman face down or face up it really is just to lift your hips, your pelvic area higher, I think that's it on either side but your drawing needs to be a t-shirt this might be the first how did this get me a t-shirt I buy holy shit, the first stick drawing you drew was next level okay, I will just do that and I can recreate it very simply. Oh my God. They didn't even have a head.

42:23The guy didn't even have a head. Okay, but... Holy shit. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. If we're going to make this fuck pillow, then we need, I think it needs to be, because the one in the movie had like, didn't it have like a hollow center? Well, yeah, the one in the movie, yes. And it also had a hinge. Yeah. That's the thing that George Clooney hasn't burned after reading. Okay. This needs to be a solid, dense material. It's got to be Tempur-Pedic, I think.

42:55We got to talk to our memory foam. Oh, this is what we can do. I'm sure as a podcast, we have partnerships with one of these dumb memory foam companies. Casper, Lisa. By the way, I'm showing you guys. I'm showing you the sex pillow that was in Burn After Reading. Yeah, that's it. It looks like also the same type of thing. Yeah, that's just like a wedge. That's what I was saying. A workout wedge. Yeah, that's what I was saying. That's what I remember it as being, like a wedge. But now Google, I mean, if there are, the sex pillow from this movie. Jade. I love that your Google search was George Clooney's sex pillow.

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48:17Cristal, Beluga, Wolfgang Puck. It's a fuck house. It's not just a fuck house. He's got a nice little camera over here. And there's another one up here. Low light, high density. Next door neighbor says he saw a lot of women come over here. Hey, did you check out these jamming jellies and clitorifics? I was thinking about you. Honey, if I were you, I'd rip off a few of those butt plugs. They're designed for the perfect asshole. I mean, that, when he, his realization. Well, it's also like, this is a movie that really is, it's trying to give you access to like the mega wealthy. Right. Right. And the mega wealthy are so wealthy that when they go to have their affairs, they have a fuck house on the coast that in the bedroom.

49:04You know how opulent they are in the bedroom is a mini fridge? Question mark. Full of champagne, caviar and Wolfgang Puck frozen pizzas. But you would have to go to the kitchen to make it. You would have to go to the kitchen. You can't just like caviar again. Yeah. But like you'd have to be like, I keep the I keep the sex pizzas in here. darling can i get you some champagne perhaps i can go heat up a pizza it's like what because that's always a thing maybe maybe some chocolates maybe you do need snacks after you know hey i have no problem with snacks we saw it in that movie with kevin uh with uh with alec baldwin where they're like nakedly eating like doritos after sex was so bizarre that uh that addicted to love movie.

49:50I think if you're going to a fuck house, then you're exerting a lot of energy and a lot of calories and you might need to sustain yourself. So I actually appreciated that there was a pizza there. I agree 100%. I just think the pizza could have been in the freezer of the kitchen fridge, not in the bedroom. Oh, I see what you're saying. My problem is the caviar, the champagne, these are bedroom things. If there was chocolate dip strawberries or the things that connote like sex or whatever. But this is to me like, darling, some champagne, perhaps some caviar. If you want, I have a Wolfgang Puck, peppers and sausage pizza that I can go.

50:34By the way, can we just talk about the perv next door? The perv next door. I felt badly for that guy. He wasn't pervy enough that it was comfortable for me. Like I would have rather like a full perv next door. No, he was like a kindly gentleman who was also clearly a perv. And I was like, oh, this is this actually too real. But by the way, we all are that person. I would imagine like if you lived on the coast and and there was like a lot of weird activity going on at night, you'd probably take out, you know, you'd probably take out some binoculars. Oh, what's going on? But I guess he went one extra step because he could identify the faces of everyone.

51:09Yeah, he was he was pretty dialed into what was going on. And that guy, you know, he's like, since I retired, this is pretty much all I do. But remember, this is an era when we didn't have Netflix or streaming services. It's a really good point. One of the only things to watch at night was your neighbors. Like I watched, and in my old New York apartment, the apartment building across the street was a bevy of personal dramas. Oh, wow. That's so fun. I've never had that. Oh, my God. I have a real question for you guys. okay so why was linda fiorentino's character who is a doctor who is engaged in philanthropic elements is on the board at the museum etc etc etc etc why is she involved in this sexual um i'm not asking why does she have sex with i have i have an actual real answer why is she being used by the dead man, almost as if she works for him.

52:13Well, I have an answer. She seems to be a sex worker the same way that Angie Everhart seems to be. But they don't seem to be in equal statuses at all. And I didn't understand that. So here's the issue. Hester House writes this script and they offer it to Linda Fiorentino, who's coming off Last Seduction. And she's like, I don't want to play a sex worker in this film. and Friedkin goes, don't worry, I'll rewrite it for you. And changes a couple of pieces. Now, apparently, according to Michael Bean, he said that the script made no sense at any point. Like he's like at the table read, he was like, I'm the villain?

53:01So I guess Friedkin just kind of came in and changed it all. But when I realized that, I was like, oh, it makes so much more sense. it's written that she is also a sex worker yeah because that made sense that would make sense because what i couldn't figure if it was just she led this secret double life fine but why is she doing the bidding to me it's like chas palman terry is a guy who gets too attached to her and then he starts to or you know or some version of that like there is some it just it and that's why her profession is bizarre and it's because the dead man right the dead man the reason he's filming all this stuff is so that he has blackmail material on all the most powerful men right and she is the most sought after of the women that the powerful men want to have sex with so she features prominently in all this but even jason's question isn't answered though because even in But her appetite, she has no idea this is, if we were to believe her, which I actually do, she doesn't know she's being filmed.

54:04I think she just thinks she enjoys the sex. Well, that's, I think, what this movie does unsuccessfully is just say like, oh, so she cheated on her husband once. and she's like, ooh, I've had such a boring sex with my husband that now I would like to find more exciting things. So I guess she says to the art dealer, like, hey, do you have any friends that maybe I could also? I don't think that's the case. Fuck that guy, the old guy. She did.

54:35Jason Mantzoukas:She did. That's what I'm saying. And that's where I get confused with Jade because I'm like, I understand why she's not satisfied with Chaz. And I get that. Oh, by the way, that sex is so upsetting. That was upsetting. That was so weird. He is hard without any foreplay. And she cries dirty. And he also is making sounds of a cry. Like, he's like... He's making, like... He's, like, making MacGruber-level sex sounds. But... Like... I mean, here is Angie Everhart talking about why she is special. I'd go to the Pacifica house, and a guy would come in, and we'd spend the night. They wouldn't know who I was, and I didn't know them.

55:18You know, a couple of those creeps, they didn't even want me. They wanted this other girl that they'd fucked before. They called her Jade. One of those guys was the governor. Jade must have racked his world. Because he wanted me to bend over and turn around. But I don't take it that way. He told me that Jade, she took it anyway. She couldn't get enough of it. She loved it. I saw her once leaving Kyle's house. she had uh long beautiful hair and great legs i think it was her i never met her i'd like to though i'm into women mostly but again jason to your point it doesn't really right like why would she fuck that old guy then if that's what she wants but why wasn't she bringing this into her married life.

56:13Well, I think that was a lost cause, babe. She also used to date Caruso. Right. And they have a pseudo-sex scene that is aborted because he kind of rejects her because he says you killed this guy. But Chaz tells Caruso, and there's so many weird things here because Caruso loves Linda Fiorentino and Chaz Palminteri knows that. And he's like, well, maybe I'll get a divorce. And like they have this like weird jockeying for like, you want to fuck my wife? And she's like, and he's like, and they know it. It's weird. But she told him. So Linda Fiorentino told Chaz Palminteri she left Caruso because he's a bad lover.

56:52Then went to Chaz Palminteri. Wait, what? When did that happen? That's in the locker room of the racquetball scene. He goes, you know, you know why she left you? She said, you're a bad lover. And he goes, why would she tell you that? And he's like, she tells me everything. Hang on, Paul. Yeah. that is a statement of the villain i think i don't necessarily i don't think you should trust i i think you should assume everything chas palmentary is saying is meant to further his villainous he's trying to he's trying to make david caruso think linda fiorentino did it but okay so like seating he's seating it early on okay but but now chas palmentary seems to have an active sex life with these other women like that other woman seems incredibly drawn to him so i don't understand well also i believe that blonde the blonde who blows him on the terrace yeah i i believe works in caruso's office no she works for chaz she's his secretary oh really it's not the same woman who comes up to him in the police station in the district attorney's office and says angie everhart will meet you at this restaurant at blank and blank No, because when David Caruso goes to see Chaz, she lets him in.

58:08Oh, OK. I didn't clock that. OK. Right. Yeah. I thought she was part of the other thing. No, that would be a really small world. This relationship is. That's one of the reasons I kept thinking. It's like there's only 12 people in this entire structure of the courts, the police, the governor. Everybody has access to everybody. The fact that he's an assistant DA traveling with cops and then interrogating her in all these weird basements. I mean, they have more offices in this movie. The cops go to a different office every scene. They're in the basement. They're in a shooting gallery. They're in like a file office.

58:41Like they are setting up shops. Do you remember when Angie Everhart's character is in the witness interrogation room and there is a window in the room? Not a glass, not a mirror, two-way mirror, a window. On the other side of the window is the firing range for the police department. So, like, those two rooms are just next to each other. You can watch people practice shooting before they go in and do an interior. I was confounded by that. I was confounded, too. Did they rough her up before she came in? Well, no, she fell down those stairs. Remember, Caruso tackles her down the stairs. I know she fell down the stairs, but she seems the way she plays that and is touching her bruises and everything.

59:29It seems like something else happened in between the time that we saw her last. But here's my question about her. Why does she why does Chaz kill her? Why? Because she could identify. Or did he? Or was that the governor? Oh, well, I think the governor sent his people out to get. Wait a second. Yeah. i think the people i think the people that killed angie are michael bean yes and that's his minions the guy because they're breaking into the house they're breaking into the house at the end for the governor it just happened again this group of seven people that travel around together they uh they like they're doing their own thing that's on because basically chas palmitary is only killing only is killing people that are involved with jade like he doesn't care like which is really what's his so how many people have has he killed chas two three oh two two he's maria and the perv no he killed the old man in the perv no no yes exactly the old man and the old the old the art dealer who is who is by the way like a halloween original halloween horror nights is like that was crucified on the wall like i was like this is the weird like and they go it's a crime of passion it's not a crime of passion that is an intentional like you crucified a man on the wall that was that visual was why i was like this is you know um it would take a tremendous amount of time and effort to that was like a seven but like the movie seven level death scene by the way i mean that yeah you'd need a wolfgang puck pizza right after oh you need to crush you need to crush a puck as i like and you maybe need to just pop up in one of those canisters take a whip of some of that pubic hair uh just to get you back in i will tell you this i will say this this movie feels like it is written by like a horny like it's written by like a horny kid who only like understands missionary positions and then it's like what if you could do all this and i feel like everybody who goes like every parent who went home that's how i feel about all of yeah that's how i felt about all of bridgerton i feel like all of bridgerton was written by 11 year olds who'd only heard a little bit about sex but we're like i think it's like uh this and then they they write it because all of the characters in bridgerton are so ill-informed about sex for such horny people it is nuts have i watched every episode yes i have i was surprised like after um after seeing those two gingers in a scene together, like I was surprised looking back at that pube scene that there weren't any ginger pubes.

1:02:15There must have been. Well, there weren't any that we saw. Maybe he didn't sleep with Angie Everhart. I guess maybe he didn't sleep. Although when we see Angie Everhart on the autopsy table, she doesn't have pubes. So perhaps that's why, I mean, maybe, you know what? Maybe we need to go back to the establishing shot of the side table. What's interesting about that, because I noticed that, too, and the governor actually refers to her hairy pussy. Remember that? June, clean it up, June. That's what he said. I'm just being alive. All right, June, just for that, we're going to play that clip of the pubic here right now.

1:02:56If you drag me into this business, David, if my name even shows up on the periphery of this, David, You better get the fuck out of the state of California because you'll have as much of a future here as Jerry Brown. Who's Jerry Brown? Wouldn't it just be an awful goddamn shame if one hairy little pussy and a thimble full of sperm would affect the future of this great state of ours? Was Medford blackmailing you? I don't get blackmailed, Mr. Crowley. I do the fucking. I never get fucked. No, no, no, no. It was so upsetting that I remembered it. And so then when we see her naked on the examining table, I was like, oh, where are her pubes?

1:03:35And then I thought, well, maybe the autopsy procedure shaves them off? No. No. I don't know. Maybe she did it. I don't know. I know with vaginal birth deliveries, I don't think they do it anymore, but I didn't get used to shave women's pubes. Do you think they do that to give to the family? Like instead of ashes, like instead of being cremated, you get a box. here are her ashes and here are her pubes well here's the thing you have to pay for the urn and you have to pay for the silver box i did hear that angie everhart did go method with this but did not want to do a nude scene so that is a body double so if it was angie everhart it would have been correct the body double did not do the work that she did like the robert de niro of gaining a lot of weight i will say that i do love the governor are you saying angie everhart gained a lot of weight for this i'm saying like getting into uh getting into character yes um i will say this the governor does say some things where i'm like like he i love richard krennan this movie like the one day that he shot on this movie to get the end richard krennan but they the when he's interviewing david caruso the blocking this movie is so terrible it's like so specific and weird and stilted like a broadway show um and like as if you don't have a camera and when he gives this monologue to david caruso i don't fuck i get fucked i'm like i was like like no he's saying i don't get fucked oh yeah he goes i never i i do the fucking all right so yeah so whatever that clip is i do the fucking i don't get there is so much setup yeah well but i mean but it is like it is a weird thing because i felt like is he flirting with david caruso now too like no yeah no i felt that too there was a certain energy of like i thought in that moment i hear what you're saying paul like he was saying he was gonna fuck him and i was like oh even just to humiliate him he would do that like you know like oh i see like yeah yeah just just just to humble him just to show him he could like i have the power to do well it is it this is another one of those movies from the like the 80s and 90s in which people in power have a level of power that is so great they can just make people disappear constantly.

1:05:54Well, listen, I mean, I just watched the Jeffrey Epstein documentary on Netflix. There are still, I agree, Jason, I agree that this was sort of a trope of the time where like the governor or senators could get, you know, there were no systems of checks and balances. But you think of Jeffrey Epstein and what happened there and why he's not serving time in a small box for the rest of his life or his crimes. Like, I do wonder about these men in power and what they're capable of. One hundred. I agree with you one hundred percent in that regard. But they're killing each other. You know what I mean?

1:06:33Like they're like what I'm like, I agree. They can like make their power allows for them to exert power over powerless. No, but I'm talking about how Jeffrey Epstein was able to commit suicide in that prison. Oh, oh, like the people will turn the other way. People will turn the other way. I'm sorry. I see what you're saying. Or it was a job. I don't believe he did. You believe he was murdered. I do, too. Some version of that. No, I do believe that actually. I think that that's very possible. Well, here's again, not to pull this away from Jeffrey Epstein, but I will say I am confused. I don't understand the overall plot.

1:07:16I understand that there was a wealthy businessman blackmailing other people just to have to have it at his disposal. Right. And he had a cabal of women and he paid Angie Everhart$10 ,000 for two sessions or whatever, or for how many sessions that she did possibly there were more jade is working just because she's in a bad marriage but it doesn't make sense because it seems like jade is very sexual and her husband is very sexual because he's having affairs and it just feels like okay just because they both have sexual impulses paul doesn't mean they're compatible okay that's a good all right well that's okay so there you go she yeah but i i agree with you paul in that i don't think she's participating in all of this sex to gain blackmail material.

1:08:00No, I agree with that. I think she is pursuing pleasure. Yes, but she also - That is what I believe she, I believe her when she says that is her intention, that she didn't know that.

1:08:08Jason Mantzoukas:She's so flirty with her husband at the gala. She's like, oh, stay, come on, stay. And he's like, I can't stay. Right, but she can't be Jade with him. Okay, so that's really what it is. Yeah, that's that last line when he's like, why don't you show me a little Jade? I want to play that clip now too. The ending where Chaz Balmentaria oddly reveals the whole end and gets away with it. Here. Learned to get these. Kyle Medford showed that to me the day before I killed him. You knew when you killed him. He was a scumbag. He would have taken us both down. I would never let anyone hurt you. But I don't remember any of it.

1:08:46You know what I think it is? Hysterical blindness. do me a favor Trina next time we make love you introduce me to Jade

1:09:05and then the movie ends that's it, credits it is really to answer your earlier question Paul I believe this movie has two concurrent villains there is the The Chaz Palminteri villain who is trying to exact a certain revenge on his wife by killing all of the men who have fallen in love with her sexually. OK. Right. He's jealous of them. All right. This is helping. I believe so. OK. Now, that happens to intersect with the initial murder happens to be this man who is using, as you said, Angie Everhart, Linda Fiorentino and perhaps other women to use them to. have sex with men in this place where there are cameras so he can get blackmail material.

1:09:54So he is he is. So then the governor want for with that blackmail material. What is he doing? I don't think we ever know. I don't think we ever know because he is dead from the jump. But but the villain is the governor. Yeah. The governor who once he sees those pictures, he realizes I need everybody who might have seen any of this to go away, which is why they keep trying to kill Caruso. Then why isn't the man in the tape with Jade from the beach house somebody that anyone knows? Because if the whole idea is that he's blackmailing famous men, wouldn't you go, oh, my gosh. And that's the head of blank blank.

1:10:30They're just more focused on her. That's what I was confused about. So you think it's maybe a Bubba the Love Sponge Hulk Hogan scenario? I just thought there were other guys she was bringing there to fuck that were maybe not a part of. But it's that guy's house. I know. But it seems she knows she can go there. Okay, so maybe what you're saying is that guy goes, hey, you have all this stuff in you. Here's the keys to my house. Use it at your leisure. And he's just maybe getting not even blackmail footage because that's not in the safe. Although he did throw the tape in the fireplace, which makes me think that he does tape all the sex there.

1:11:06But then it's like, you know what? I don't care about this because that's just her getting the jollies off. Wait a second. Wait, no, no. Who threw the tape in the fireplace? The man who was killed like the Halloween Horror Nights in the beginning. See, I don't know that that's the case. Okay. It could be Chaz Palminteri who threw the tape in the fire. Yeah, that's what I thought. But why would he be there? Because he killed him. No, but he didn't kill him at the beach house. He killed him at the other house. Oh, so that tape was in the... They found the governor pictures in his safe. They found that tape in the ashes of the fireplace.

1:11:36My assumption would be that Chaz Palminteri is trying to erase anything that connects Linda Fiorentino to this stuff. See, I wonder if in the original script, Linda Fiorentino used to be a sex worker for this guy, and he's trying to erase that past for her to kind of clear her out. Maybe. Like, I want to be married to a reputable woman. And he maybe has more of an abusive relationship with her and a powerful relationship with her because of that, because he's bringing her into society. I could see that, yeah. He may have met her that way, but I mean, there's something missing, I guess is what I'm saying.

1:12:08I agree there's something missing. we might we might just not be able to solve it because it might not be there it might because like i said i kept writing like wait what has happened that this is now like i felt like scenes were missing connections weren't being made like this had many of the like like i said very broad strokes of the police are this the lawyer now has this but none of it was based on like gathering evidence finding clues like the guy oh my god we do have the scene where the guy the tech runs the tape and he's like great zoom enhance yeah you know like we do have one of those which made me laugh no no freeze it freeze it magnify it also the film is low density now i know a little bit about filmmaking i've never heard about low density film yeah i will say that it was yeah it was wild it doesn't make sense and it ends so abruptly that you're like what did i just like it ends in a weird way it's like okay so i guess chaz got away with it and now she's going to be stuck in this relationship where she's got to pretend to be jade or kill him i mean sequel is ready to go yeah what i couldn't figure out was like it really is it makes a fool of david caruso yeah well he'll never be right because he doesn't solve the case no well he does because i think that those minions go down for the whole thing that's what i mean though so chas palmentary gets away with murder like he doesn't yeah he thinks this is crazy like who's the who's the who's who like so what to think about it really the the the movie ends and the villain has won how often does that happen yeah and and you would buy it more if it was the femme fatale because i think that that's more expected but here it's like chas palmentary it's like huh no that they The absolute gross villain has won.

1:14:03Wins the day. His wife is now trapped with him. And David Caruso, I don't even know. We don't even land. We don't even end with David Caruso. No, it's bizarre. Very strange. But that's, I think that's part of not wanting to end on a ginger. And you know what? That might have been a good choice. And you know what? Honestly, you guys, I don't think you can end a movie on a ginger. There you go. That's the shirt. Obviously, we had opinions about this movie. people out there with a different opinion. It is now time for second opinions.

1:14:57That was John Lajoie. June, you want to say something about your comments about gingers in this show? First of all, I'm not the only one. A lot of times I feel like I have to bear the brunt of a few things here. I'm not the only one who made comments about gingers. Oh, I did too. Thank you, Jason. I just want to say that I think that there are so many stunning gingers out there. Like, actually take my breath away gingers. It was just a surprise. And it was a surprise to see a male ginger. It was all surprising. I have nothing to say bad about gingers as far as how they look and how beautiful they are.

1:15:33I only had to say it about their box office viability. That's really what I think I'm trying to get to the bottom. Is that what you call ginger vaginas? Box office viability? Well, that's when I used that pillow to help get their... Ooh, I just heard it. Yeah, hello. You just said, oh, that was interesting. That's the first time I heard it. Okay, got it. These are five-star reviews, cold from Amazon. 72 % of them are five-star reviews. And this is not one of those situations like in episodes past where this is bundled into like a bunch of movies. This is one movie and their reviews are great. I'm going to just read you a few because they're all super fun.

1:16:09This is from Yurnal. Yurnal wrote this in 2015. Great movie, especially if you like San Francisco. A wonderful movie. It has so many San Francisco street scenes for the lover of that city. Good plot. has enough car chases to satisfy the most hardcore car chase junkie and pretty sexy too five stars this movie says had enough car chases feels like there's like i guess maybe two but uh but this guy really enjoys the san francisco san francisco doesn't really read to me in this film uh but anyway that's that there's a whole sequence where his brakes fail and yeah i mean that could have only worked in you know san francisco well yeah the old way to kill people in san francisco i I wanted somebody to go down that little mini street, that really hard street.

1:16:56That's like very with a sound man. Jay in 2014 writes this. This is a smoking hot thriller. David Caruso is his usual good actor self with Linda Fiorentino being outstanding in her sexy, complex self as a psychiatrist. Very good thriller was twist and turns throughout. Lori Dobbs chimes in in 2016. and writes, this movie is okay, but it's not the one I was looking for. Five stars.

1:17:31Lylas. What were you looking for? I have no idea. Maybe so. I wonder. And then this one from Lylas in 2020, March 2020, still getting the reviews in March 2020. I don't know what it is about this movie. It's sexy and naughty. I just love it. Five stars. And then I believe this is the final one I'll read here from Gwendolyn. This is written in 2013. This is a good movie. It keeps you on your toes and in suspense. But the wild sex, man, these are some buck wild people. And I'm not mad at them. Five stars.

1:18:13This was wild. And just to answer to the person who said it had some good car chases in it, it does not. But if you want to see incredible San Francisco car chase, rent the Peter Yates movie Bullet with Steve McQueen. Oh, yeah, of course. Unbelievable San Francisco set car chase. All right. This movie comes out in 1995. The budget is$50 million. Whoa! $50 million. Wait. So, Paul, will you remind me? So this is 1995. When was Basic Instinct? Well, this is after. This is kind of ripping Basic Instinct. so that's what i'm wondering was it like right before it was basic instinct like the two years earlier i have a feeling that robert evans is this the next one uh yeah so basic instinct comes out in 92 so about three years later but i think it's in that zone you know of oh for sure so the budget is 50 million the total gross 9.8 million dollars uh the top three movies in 1995 are batman forever Apollo 13 and Toy Story this movie came in at 122nd out of all the movies made in 1995 beaten by films that we've done on this show Congo Disclosure oh Disclosure of course Virtuosity Johnny Mnemonic Street Fighter and Fair Game it beat Hackers Junior and Top Dog so Junior our namesake image from the original poster it beat that and here is one well I'll say can I just say something wild yeah sorry go ahead very very briefly although these for some reason these aren't in order joe esterhouse writes in okay 1992 basic instinct 1993 sliver 1995 both show girls and jade wow um and then and then and then still 80 in the he's still got crazy stuff in the Jagged Edge, but he's still got other stuff that you know and have seen.

1:20:15But just those movies alone in that era, like back to back to back to back, like successful erotic thrillers, then Jade. So crazy. I mean, this is really, I mean, a bizarre time. I just want to just, I also am just kind of confused about why they're meeting at church. The religion also doesn't really play a part in it. There's so many weird things about this movie. but I guess the question is like, I feel like it touches on so many things. It's like a stew of like all these movies mixed together by the ultimate cook of these movies. But would you recommend watching it? Would you recommend watching it, Jason?

1:20:56Yeah. Yeah, for sure. This is a fun one. I would recommend watching all the movies I just mentioned. I think I want to do sliver on this show. I feel like we got to do sliver on this show. We should do sliver on this show. So I think, I mean, I think at some point, maybe the very last How Did This Get Made will be Showgirls. Yeah, we, yeah, that we get. That will be the way that we end it. But they're, you know, like, these are all, like, exactly to your point earlier, June, like that era of erotic thrillers from the 90s that was, you know, Nine and a Half Weeks and Angel Heart. Two Moon Junction, baby.

1:21:34Two Moon Junction, Sherilyn Fenn. like those were it's a type of movie that I'm trying to think just does not get made anymore there is no longer like you know even like the you know body heat you know jagged edge when Kathleen Turner is like a sex symbol and all these people are like dangerous and there's so much going on I don't know I loved it too we're going to wrap up I'm just going to leave you all with this one thought and this is quickly it um oj simpson was uh was uh judges being not guilty and when he went to the press that day he said i'm excited to go see jade what so there you go people that was uh one of the notable things is that like people saying i'm going to disneyland when they win the super bowl it was like he stated to the press.

1:22:29He was excited to go see Jade. So that's how we end today's episode. It comes full circle. Also a very big thank you to Averill Halley, who pulled this movie out of the dark depths. She made an amazing mashup clip of NCIS and Jade, which we will post up on all of our socials. A reminder to join us on the How Did This Get Made Discord board. A big thank you to Nate Kiley for finding that OJ Simpson fact out. Nate, you are a chef's kiss to you. A big thank you to Devin, our engineer who pieces all this stuff together painstakingly, and our super producer, Cody, who keeps the ship running, and Molly.

1:23:10People, I want to give a big shout out to the ghost of Craig T. Nelson. That is Zach McAleese on Instagram, who designs our amazing how-did-s-get-made posters. Also, I want to give a tip of the hat to Nate Kiley, who also designed some of our great stuff for our Facebook group. I love it all. You are all fantastic. Make sure you give us a call at 619-P-A-U-L-A-S-K. That's 619. Paul asked for the mini episode. I will talk about Jade, but I'll also talk about your life because I am helping people solve their problem. Make sure you follow me. And like I said, how did this get made on our Discord pages?

1:23:41We are there all the time. And I can't wait to talk to you all next week about a film called Jade. And you know what? Before I get going, before I get out of the whole thing, one person I didn't thank in that whole mix of people, because I'm saving it for the end because I know that he's going to listen to the end? July Diaz. July Diaz, the master, pulling this all together, listening, knowing what people want and what they don't want. Thank you, July. See you all later next week on the mini episode. Bye for now. The perpetual pen tapper. The arbitrary fridge reorganizer. The holiday party planner that starts in May.

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