Last Looks: Fall w/ Eliot Glazer

24:23Jason Mantzoukas:Yeah, I'll buy that, but I mean, yes, that's a nitpicky note, but there are so many other grand details that were left on the table. Anyway, Stinky Zebra continues to write, I'm glad you enjoyed it. Fall was a pandemic-made movie with a low budget, and I think the team did an incredible job filming it, and the post-production was crazy. I'm reminded of this every day at work since the tower platform, stunt vulture, and backpack still sit in our office. Just to let you know, I sent the episode to Scott. Man, no, no, Stinky Zebra, we're not supposed to do that. The writer and director of Fall and the writer and producer of Faultoon.

25:00Jason Mantzoukas:He said, this was very funny. Loved it. Scott is really awesome. So I'd love to see him get even more success. Uh, cheers, Gary, the guy who sent the Jason X posters to you many, many years ago. Well, I appreciate the posters, but sneaky zebra. Don't do that. Don't, don't send anything to the writers and directors of this stuff. We don't want to do that. We like Scott, man, Scott, man, did a great job. You know, um, I, I think that honestly, like we said, It is a fun movie. And with all these inside pieces of info, you gave us nothing about Fall 2 that I want to know more about. Anyway, wow. You know, write in about that, Sneaky Zebra.

25:43Jason Mantzoukas:Don't go in here and bust our game by sending it to one of the people out there. That's, I don't know. I don't like it. I don't like it when people go, I told them what you said. Not to say that's an impression of Sneaky Zebra. But yeah, leave it. Mark, you know what? There's only one winner here today, and I apologize because it came up so early. But yeah, Del Preston, you are the winner. The Danger D connection is bigger than anything at all. And you know, Del, since we talked a lot about hotel checkout times, I wanted to make sure that you wake up on time whenever you have to leave a hotel.

26:19Jason Mantzoukas:So your prize is I am going to give you a personalized wake up message. All you got to do is save this audio and set it as your alarm clock ringtone. Pretty good, right? Here we go. Ready? Good morning, Del. This is your hotel concierge, Peril Paul, telling you it is time to wake up and get your little butt out of bed. You heard me, Del. Wake up now because there are some girls stuck on a tower and they're sending the drone right to your room. Don't hit that snooze button, okay? Don't be a fucking asshole. This hotel has to change over and you got to save some girls' lives. So you think about that when you say just five more minutes.

27:05Jason Mantzoukas:Oh, I know you're tired. I know you need to shower and eat your continental breakfast. It's just a waffle. It's not that great of a deal, okay? It's a fucking toaster waffle, man. So get packed. Get your ass out of there. Don't try to go swimming 10 minutes before checkout time, okay? Save those girls and help a hotel. All right. Wake up, wake up, wake up. There it is. What a prize. And for all you losers out there jealous that you didn't get your own wake-up message, just delete the part where I say Del. But you can also try to win a brand new prize next episode by leaving us a voicemail at speakpipe.com slash hdtgm or by writing us on our discord all right coming up after one last break jason and i will just chat with elliot glazer but first here's a bonus deleted scene of our fall episode where june jason and i try to figure out more ways that becky and hunter could have gotten down from the tower take a listen when hunter goes down to the satellite dish to retrieve the backpack Why doesn't she bring Becky's phone?

28:08That's what I'm saying. Okay, so that is what you're saying. Or bring Becky down, which still seems a lot safer than sending Hunter back up. Well, I think that they can't, like the satellite dish is not a safe place to be. I think they want to be on the platform. But I agree with you. Moving down has got to be the priority. It has to be. It has to be. I really was like, they don't try and fashion any kind of tension thing. Like they could. I was like, wrap the rope around the post. Right. So that it is tense because they've got climbing harnesses. They've got like, they've got some gear so that you can, the way that guys do the telephone pole.

28:57Yeah. Yeah. That kind of what you're talking about earlier June, where they lean back into it. But you can create tension around the pool with a 50 feet of rope. We saw that in the lumberjack show, June.

29:10Jason Mantzoukas:We saw the guys do that. One of them could have, using some sort of tension and release, tension and release, gotten themselves at least somewhere down the hole to get a signal. Well, they keep on saying we're as high or higher than the Eiffel Tower. And I think that's meant to tell you that there's no signal. But correct me if I'm wrong. That's where signal would be, right? Because it's satellites in the sky. Like, it seems like by going higher. It seems like they're going higher. Well, I don't know. I mean, you don't get signals on planes without Wi-Fi up there. Yeah, I know. But is it satellite?

29:47I think they're trying to tell us that they are above the towers. Above cell towers, you know? Yeah. Okay, got it. I mean, I agree. This is a problem that all modern movies have, is how do we kill the cell phones?

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34:13Jason Mantzoukas:All right, welcome back, everybody. Without any further ado, it is now time for Jason and I to chat with Elliot Glazer. Elliot's hilarious essay collection called The Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Gay comes out August 11th, and we're going to talk about that and so much more. I love Elliot. So take a listen right now. Midwest Shakes, hit the theme. Just chat, just chat. Paul and Jason on the mic and they like to cut the fat. Just chat, Just chat I got beef with John Leggoire But that's a different rap Just chat Just chat Just chat Oh my gosh, Elliot, we are so excited to have you here What a treat Thank you so much for having me I'm so excited to actually be here I mean, can you believe it?

35:04Right here on Zoom I mean, heartbreakingly, Paul and I were just in New York We could have all hung out together oh i'm i'm in la wait what yeah stop this recording we're all meeting in person i think everyone just assumes i'm in new york from my work and yeah i think i i think i thought you were uh still a new york person have you always been an la person and i just didn't know or is this no i've just i've been here for well i've been here for like 10 years now oh yeah what

35:33Jason Mantzoukas:the fuck am i talking about but here's what i'm gonna say it's good to have people assume that you're in new york like that's not a bad assumption right like you know it kind of makes you cooler i mean i still have a 917 uh phone number and i feel like that establishes me in some 917 boys i love this i love that oh my god i got that as soon as i could when i because you're from long island too paul i mean i i wanted to get rid of my 516 as soon as i possibly could yeah hate that 516 can't can't what part of long island are you from i'm from smithtown where didn't you work at the blockbuster there i worked at the blockbuster in syosset uh okay town was uh was a place that i hung out and had a lot of acclaim at the smithhaven mall was in smith of course yes of course you know a lot like there's a lot of time i spent in smith town uh you know we're we're suffolk boys i mean suffolk is a is a whole different thing and that was a gang you guys belong to yeah the suffolk boys come on the suffolk boys uh so i also just where my is where my grandma lived and so we would go to the picket lane, like pool and tennis club, which was basically just like a country club for Jews.

36:43Jason Mantzoukas:We were not invited anywhere else. I mean, look, at least you got to a country club. My, my family, we did nothing like that. There was no, there was no even knowledge that there were camps going on in the summer for kids. Like that just stopped early on. And I was like, you're at home all the time. And I was like, okay. And I actually loved it. I mean, I didn't like my camp experience early on, but then it was like home with no options. None. Right. Of course. Well, for me, I mean, I, you know, so many Jews go to sleepaway camp, but I was so neurotic and remain, I would say remain so, but I was so neurotic that I was just like, I'm not leaving home.

37:19Leaving home. Are you kidding me? Like that wasn't even on the table. Sleep away. I'm going to sleep somewhere else. Like, oh, I had the exact opposite. I was the exact opposite. that I was, my parents made me stay home and wouldn't allow me to go to camp. And so the only thing I dreamt of was getting to go to, having the independence of going to sleep away camp. Oh, I was such a, I mean, honestly, I was such a nervous wreck as a kid that there was one summer, actually, Paul, do you know what used Dan is? No. You stand is this like arts camp, like a summer camp on Long Island in like Wyandanche or something.

37:55Okay. Sure. Super duper artsy. It's all art. It's like creative arts for kids. And I went there one summer. I think I was like eight years old. And that summer I watched something on TV that was like a shitty tabloid show where they did a whole thing about these aliens that came down to earth and like essentially crashed a bunch of friends like in a camping, a weekend camping in the woods. And like from what I remember the big green aliens like molested these nude people from behind and it destroyed my brain. And so that whole summer I was in crippling fear of being abducted or at least molested by aliens.

38:37So it was a nightmare. I think the sad news for you is that our listeners are absolutely going to figure out what that was that you watched and they're going to start sending you stills from that image. We will cure you of this by exposure therapy. yes yes next year you're going to camp i'm going to use dan i went to la salle military school

39:00Jason Mantzoukas:camp that was the one that i went to and uh military school camp uh doesn't really feel like it works in very incongruous terms right because it's like and so it was very organized and very uh you know a lot of authority but i remember that my parents did take me out when i I said, the men that are watching us stand in the bathroom while we pee. Now, I don't think it was sexual, but I do feel like it was like, they were making sure there was no tomfoolery going on. But just to have, to be peeing in front of your counselors, it struck me as weird. I'm a big believer in this with my own kids, where I'm like, just tell us what's on your mind.

39:38Jason Mantzoukas:Of course. And if it hits you as weird, we may not be able to label it. We'll get you out of there. Wait, why were you at military camp? Were you a bad kid? No, I just, I mean, look, I believe that my parents were ill-equipped to make smarter decisions about, like, they didn't think, like, oh, military school, that won't be fun. Like, you know, that, like, you know, it's like, or, like, what is he into? Like, I was just forced into camps where it was like, you're going to be doing sports all the time, which is, for me, it was like, no, I didn't want to do that. You needed the arts camp. I did.

40:11Jason Mantzoukas:I just needed something. Yeah, you stand. Yes, I should have gone there and gotten abducted. No, but it's a funny thing because now I look at camps for my kids and it's like Star Wars camp. And, you know, it's everything, magic camp, all this stuff. I think back in Long Island, it felt like kickball, baseball. That was it. It was a sport separated by buggears. Was the military school camp anything like, was it just normal camp activities? Or were you doing like boot camp kind of stuff? Were you doing military stuff? Um, I remember that it was just a lot of, we had to march on lines or painted lines around the entire camp.

40:49Jason Mantzoukas:Oh yeah. And we had to like stay on the line. So your summer was spent marching? Marching on lines. And, and doing like, like marching call outs. Like, I don't know what I've been told. Yeah. Essentially. And, and I, and I believe that there were like some sports in there, but the sports were not even like the sports that I hated. These ones I hated even more. It was like fencing. Like, you know, it was like, uh, you know, it was like, like things that were not not fun as a kid. No offense to people out there who love fencing, but you don't want to be putting on that. By the way, good for you, Paul, for saying that.

41:20Because it just sounds like the whole camp was a punishment.

41:23Jason Mantzoukas:Yes. And I'm sure it might have been. And that's the other thing. That's where my parents didn't probably go a smidge deeper into it. Like, what is this? They probably just heard, oh yeah, LaSalle Military School camp. That would be fun. Is that in Stony Brook or something? Gosh, I'm going to Google it as we are talking about it. By the way, let me just tell you. Your book, which I say to everybody, pre-order that stuff now. That makes a very big difference in book sales and everything like that. It's coming out next week. You can maybe see Elliot out there. But I love your book. I am such a fan of this kind of writing.

42:01Jason Mantzoukas:Look, we all love David Sedaris. I feel like you are not David Sedaris. But if you like David Sedaris, you will like this book. I think you have your own style that's beautiful and funny and dirtier. Thank you. And awesome. I'm just saying like, but this is like, if you like books like this, you're going to love it. It's a great collection of essays. Well, thank you. I mean, I feel kind of like a dumber David Sedaris. I mean, my publishers were very kind initially when I signed on with them. And they're like, it's very David Sedaris adjacent. And I would never be compelled to compare myself to him.

42:35I like to think that, you know, I think the goal for me in this being my first book of essays was essentially to sort of strike that balance between like normal, like LOL, dumb conversational comedy, and then also attempting to be a little bit more literate, which is unique because as you guys, I'm sure are aware, it's like comedy is different in different mediums. So on the paper, you know, like if I'm reading something that's really funny, like a memoir, there are times when I actually laugh, but something can be hilarious on the paper with me just, you know, a small smirk, which feels more literary than like, you know, hard comedy.

43:16So I really tried to balance the two.

43:18Jason Mantzoukas:Yeah, one of the most fun things I learned in the process of writing my book, too, is I would sometimes, just to get my motor going in the beginning, I would say a story out loud and record it. And I found out very quickly, oh, that doesn't work. Because it's two very different types of things. And it's about the turn of phrase. It's about the way that these words are. It gives you such an element of craft. And I feel like you have that in spades. It's great. By the way, the sound military camp in Oakdale, Oakdale, Long Island still active. It looks like it's closed down. And here's what I will say.

43:54Jason Mantzoukas:There's a lot of kids on Reddit or a lot of people on Reddit going, my mom threatened to send me there. Oh, my God. Yeah. It was like and then like, yeah. And so there's a lot of a lot of bad memories here. Yeah. I've never even heard of Oakdale. You know, that's the beauty of Long Island. I will meet so many people from Long Island. They're like, oh, yeah, I grew up here. And I'm like, oh, OK, sure. It was a train stop, but I don't know. I don't even, I'm not familiar with it. It makes me feel like I didn't explore any of Long Island. I knew my five stops about it. Sure. I mean, I'd certainly explored, but, you know, I think, you know, youth is different for everybody where they grow up.

44:32I'm sure, you know, everybody has their own take on where they grew up. But I have always thought, especially in comparison to like, quote unquote, normal people, like Long Island is one of the weirdest places I could possibly imagine. because it has so many different personalities in different places. Yes. But it's all sort of soaked in the stink of like toxic masculinity and ostentatiousness.

44:56Jason Mantzoukas:It is just, there are some moments where I'm like, whoa. I mean, there was a, I don't know if you ever got this too, and not to make this all about my dumb stories, I'll just tell one more. And then where I got put in a headlock at an Italian restaurant one time. Of course. Because I was told, like, oh, you think you're funny? You think you're funny? And then all of a sudden the fucking owner of the Italian restaurant had me in a headlock. And I don't even know how that happened. But that feels very Boston to me. Because I grew up in suburban Boston, which also feels Long Island adjacent in its attitudes.

45:30Yes, I would totally agree with that. A lot of meathead, crazy, aggro. Like half of my high school football team did steroids for no reason. They were not gifted athletically. They just thought that if they did steroids, they'd get into the NFL, you know, and it was ridiculous. So, yeah, yeah. Lots of crazy aggro energy. Yeah. I mean, I can still smell like the body spray and the bad, you know, the hairspray and the like it's just it was so weirdly ostentate.

46:04Jason Mantzoukas:It's a very tasteless, you know, I want to because this is one part of Long Island that I don't know that much about. And it's one again, it's a closed window that I have in my experiences there. But there's a great chapter in your book about Fire Island. And that's a whole other side of Long Island that I'm just very on Fire Island in particular. I didn't really take advantage of until I was an adult. And when I say take advantage of me, I mean, I was dragged into a timeshare right in a in a gay party fantasia that I found really nerve wracking. And that's what the chapter is all about. But even so, to be a closeted kid, knowing now, like, whoa, I could have, like, taken a ferry to Pines and Fire Island and, like, figured shit out.

46:48Like, there's so much that could have happened. And that is crazy that even though I was, like, wracked with fear as a, you know, closeted kid in this super macho place, 20, 25 minutes away was a ferry ride to, like, gay Fantasia. That's wild.

47:04Jason Mantzoukas:Well, it's so funny. and I feel dumb for saying this and, but I guess I can feel okay about it. Like I didn't grow up in the fifties. I didn't grow up in the forties. I want to tell you that I didn't understand that there were like gay people in the world because of my, like there, my had an uncle, uh, or a cousin who was gay and it felt like, and he is gay and we like him and that's, and that's where we are. But like, I remember when I moved into New York, I was like, Oh wait, hold on. Like I just, it wasn't in the cards. And I think back on that so much. Cause I'm like, Like, wow, I was sheltered in a way where I'm so close to the city.

47:39Jason Mantzoukas:I'm so close to so many different things, but it was not in my purview at all. Yes. And that's another part of living there that's wild is you're in the shadow of a metropolis. So you have access to worldliness and you have access to like a cosmopolitan wonderland. But there is such a small mindedness that happens. And not even just that. Like you're talking about like just kind of growing up, not ignorant, just like unaware. But then you have the idea of people who are like the city. I don't do the city. Oh, yeah. I don't go anywhere. And it's like, wait, why? Then why do you live here? Like, it's so expensive.

48:17It makes no sense. That's similar to where I grew up in Boston. It felt very similarly. Like people, why would you go to Boston? Which is crazy. Seven miles away. It's just right there. We can see. It's right there. You can do so many things there. You can meet different people there. Oh, what are you talking about? we got movies here we got what do you it's so it's so also to your point about boston what's also interesting is that you're talking about how it feels so you know rough and like you know scrappy but at the same time you're amid like academia oh my god how those two things can co-exist is wild in a city that is like full of the most students in the country it is also full of meatheads who are like you think you're smarter than me hey exactly you think you're fucking smarter than me i love i can't believe those two things coexist but they do oh yeah and it's just that it just means that there are fights every night at every subway shop correct that's

49:13Jason Mantzoukas:right there is a piece of footage that i absolutely loved um from the knicks win so they won in san antonio and there's a video called like uh like one versus 500 and it's like one san antonio fan just taking on every Knicks fan in a fight. And there was something about that. Watching that piece of footage, which surprisingly the San Antonio guy did pretty well. But the other piece of footage that got me was another San Antonio fan standing out on his balcony in Brooklyn, right? Like out there and kind of like yelling at the crowd down below who's celebrating the Knicks victory. And then these motherfucking Knicks fans scaled the building to get up on the fire escape and find this guy.

50:00Jason Mantzoukas:Whoa. And seeing them scale a building like Spider-Man to get into this fight over like the Knicks. Like it just, there is that thing where - I walked past a group of Knicks fans. It was like three o 'clock in the morning on the streets in New York. Like a group of like young guys all like hyped up. And one of them was like, let's go find that guy who wanted to fight us. And his buddy was like, I think he took off, man. Like, like, like, oh man, we can't fight anybody. That's the thing. Like, I didn't understand that fighting was not normal. Like I fought so much as a kid. It was like, yeah, this is what we do.

50:36Jason Mantzoukas:There's always fights going on. Every night ended in, in, in Massachusetts, every night ended in a fight for sure. That would be the, the end of the party. But even the idea of like people being like, you know, flagpole 3 PM or whatever, like setting a time to to hit each other seems so strange to me and but even like in terms of the like scaling the walls of it all i'm very happy to see the knicks win and i'm very happy to see the city be so caught up in it i think that's wonderful but at a certain point i'm always just like what what is it about sports that makes people lose their like to climb buildings to like in philly it's even i I mean, in Philly, it's like, oh, forget about it.

51:18In Philly, they have to grease the... Yes. But if you're not on the team, like, how can you... I don't know why one gets so... Like, it changes their brain chemistry. Well, it really gives... I feel like... And we talked a little bit before we started the show. Elliot, you're a tremendous presence on the Howard Stern wrap-up show whenever you're on there. Both Paul and I have done the show many times. But it's interesting to listen to the grown men on the Howard Stern show talk about the Knicks. Yes. Because it's one of the only instances, I feel like, where men allow themselves to feel emotions.

51:54Yes, that's so true. It's this kind of thing which is like, we can be emotional and let our emotions run wild when it's about our team. Then it's okay to cry or then it's okay to be on the roller coaster of emotion or care. about something like this, you know? Yeah, and even like Howard and John Hine, they were talking the other day, the whole group, they were talking about the curses and the... The jinxes and all that. The jinxes that happens when like Howard's wife is on her phone or someone's not in the room or they aren't, they're in the room. And these people who are so, especially Howard, who's so practical and so reasonable minded and so science-based was really allowing himself to have fantastical thoughts.

52:40Oh yeah. And it never happens. But it's like, wow, basketball, a game really takes hold of these of men's emotional states in a way that I can't I don't know what else would. I think it's the stories that they let themselves get caught up in. I think that sports are the stories that men are like, I get invested in this narrative. And it's full of ups and downs. And it gives me, I think I'm rooting for these characters. It's a way that these are some of the only narratives that I feel like men can get involved in that have emotional stakes for them. Because I don't think otherwise they participate in behavior that allows themselves to exercise their emotions that way.

53:22Jason Mantzoukas:Let me tell you, I am somebody who I think has a foot in either side. I am somebody who I believe is in touch with my emotions. I am not perfect. I try to be, you know, I'm always trying to learn and be open, but I can get myself locked into some superstitions. Like I wore a pair of shoes one time to a Clippers game and I was like, okay. And they lost. And I was like, can't wear those shoes again. Or until it gets far enough away that I feel like the stank is off those shoes. Like, you know, there are certain things. And I found myself this season, if you follow basketball at all, the Clippers had a decidedly awful, one of the worst openings of an NBA season in history.

54:07Jason Mantzoukas:and then had one of the most tremendous comebacks. Like they went from an unbelievable losing season to a winning season. And no one has ever done that in NBA history, what they did. That first half of the season, I was miserable. I was like, why am I upset? Like, what am I pissed off at? Is it my career? Is it my wife? No, it was my basketball team. And I had to then say to myself, I am checking out. I am going to take off the alerts on my phone. they're losing and i'm not watching i didn't go to any of the games because i was like i have a season tickets and i was like i'm not uh i can't i can't support this because it's destroying me like it's not fun for me well i have to say as as hard as that sounds when it's when the season is not going well yeah i am genuinely envious that you have this external thing this like ongoing you know sport with players and stats the draft is coming up i'm excited text chains that to me i'm like god i wish i were passionate about something like that that i followed closely and had i mean the only thing that gets the only two things that get remotely close to that for me are very much opposite ends of the spectrum one is stern like the stern universe and the other is RuPaul's Drag Race.

55:29Oh my gosh. All things, like sort of traffic in that.

55:32Jason Mantzoukas:Have you, by the way, seen Stop That Train? Not yet. You're in it. Oh my gosh. I'm in it for about 25 seconds and thrilled to be in it. But it is great. But I think it's all the same thing, right? It is. It's like, these are, like, we're on the side, like, Howard Stern and I know Jason and I have been there together. Like, there's something magical about it. It's like where I don't want to mess it up, but I want to just be around it. I also don't want to like, for lack of a better term, like when I go, I've gotten a few chances of being around Clippers players and talking to them. I don't want to, I don't want to fan out.

56:08Jason Mantzoukas:I, but I also want to be there. Like it's a very hard thing to kind of find that emotional place, but I'm so excited. I'm like a kid. Like I'm, I'm, and we did the league and I, that's the joy of it though. I imagine. Yes. That's what it is. Cause like you can, and that's what I'll say, like going to the stop that train premiere, there's so many people there that just were fans of drag drag race and my and my good friend uh a dad out here that i am friends with like that's his show he's been making drag race forever he's the best but it's sort of like that fandom is it is like it's it is sports you're rooting for your people and then they're you know and it's like and you want to see them it's like i i think we all have it you know and it's like but i think i always go back to howard stern as being like the ultimate parasocial relationship because you have opinions about these people.

56:55Jason Mantzoukas:It's like, I think reality TV is on the format of what I was just exactly going to say, like, I don't watch any reality TV. I don't watch any, any of the housewives or anything like that. But Stern is unequivocally a reality show that I've been tuned into for 25 years now that I'm so invested in. And I'm serious when I say I believe I've asked for one selfie with someone in my entire life. In my entire life, I've asked for one selfie. And that person was Marianne from Brooklyn. Oh, my God. Who Paul and I saw. Elliot, you will be jealous of this. Paul and I saw because we went to the Howard birthday bash.

57:34Was one of the best nights. One of the best nights. Which was incredible. And she walked by and I heard her voice only. And I was like, that's Marianne from Brooklyn. And I ran up to get a selfie. and I could not be more excited. Well, it's just so interesting because these people are all like peripheral characters in a mostly audio format, but you're so invested in them. You know so much about them. I mean, that's just so unique and so, I don't know, it's just so rare.

58:02Jason Mantzoukas:I think we should all be fans. I think that we are in this business. We should have things that we just absolutely love and love with no other reason than just like, I'm into this. I want to embrace this. I think it's good for, I think it is good. I think so much of this show is about promoting our own individual fandoms. Yes. You know, fandoms for bad movies, fandoms for stuff that we talk about on here. Actors, whatever it is. Yeah. I think it's, and I think that that's the thing that is maybe lost and is viewed as being childish. But when it's put in sports with men or men that are not in touch with other things where they can't fan out, where they can't be like, I love Widow's Bay.

58:40Jason Mantzoukas:like you know they're not like they may like it but they're not gonna love it but they can love sports I love that meatheads love Widows Bay as well because boy it's terrific but you know what I'm saying it's like I think that sports allows them because it's real right it's not fake the writing it's not fake but there is that Howard they're macho not macho but like more alpha guys like Howard hey Howard I gotta tell you you know it's like well there's this funny thing that happens on Stern almost every year around the time of Comic Con where they will pull up pictures of either out of shape people dressed as Captain America or out of shape people.

59:17You know, they basically are making fun of people who are cosplaying, but don't have the superhero bodies. And I'm like, what's the difference between that and you wearing a jersey of somebody that you don't play basketball or you don't you're not an elite athlete, but you still dress up in their uniforms. What's the difference?

59:35Jason Mantzoukas:I know it's so I mean, by the way, that's my dumbest bit that I do with my kids is like whenever I see anybody in Jersey, I'm like, guys, guys, Jalen Brunson over there. I do it all the time. It's my dumbest bit. While we're promoting fandom, Elliot, your book, of course, but is there anything you are very passionate about right now that you would like to... Like, beyond drag race, or shows, or a movie, or anything like that? Well, I mean, I have the book coming out soon, in August, The Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Gay. um and then i but then i'm also i mean i'm interested in talking about sports because i have a a video podcast coming out in the charles barkley yeah with charles barkley so this is amazing amazing so you and charles barkley like you are going to be you basically are coming in from the point of view of like i don't know much about sports and you're gonna be able to sit down with charles and i forget the third person is involved in it oh well so it's it's it's just me Charles is executive producing it.

1:00:35Okay, got it. But I'll be interviewing different, like, world star athletes in each episode. Oh, my gosh. And so Charles will be in our pilot. Got it. With me interviewing him about sports. And it's not that I know little about sports. I know nothing about sports. So good. What a great idea. It's a little bit turned. It's me turned up, like, just turned up a little bit in how not just illiterate I am when it comes to sports, but how it's almost like I don't understand, like, almost like I'm an alien who just landed on Earth. and it just doesn't even understand like balls and gravity and physics.

1:01:05I love this. Just taking it to that approach where it's like, it's not just not being a sports fan. It's just not even understanding why. Like, what's the deal with anything? Elliot, if you ever need a co-host for an episode, I am similarly sports ignorant and sports agnostic. I have no frame of reference. I'm not engaged. in it ever. But that's sort of what I found has already... But your natural curiosity for stories and people is essential. Yes, it's not coming from a shady place. It's coming from a place of curiosity and baffling ignorance.

1:01:44Jason Mantzoukas:Well, this is what I'll tell you, that the coolest thing about sports in many respects is exactly what we're all talking about, which is the story, right? The story of these players. Like Jalen Brunson, you know, and his dad is a story that was part of this. you know of this championship and there's all these like little things like there's a great um one of the great guys in the spurs champagney he was cut from the 76ers to make room for mac mcclung mac mcclung is just an amazing dunker like and he but he's not a great basketball player but they had to pick him up so he could put him in the all-star game for the the dunk weekend so they got rid of this guy champagney he's awesome but they just did it to have representation in the all-star champagne sounds like one of the new guys on jackass i mean i would love to see champagne oh man it's poopies it's champagne and they're in with preston and we man i like champagne should be in there um elliot i we're gonna listen to your podcast we're gonna more importantly buy your book we're gonna pre-order your book even though it comes out next week just order it now get it done now because honestly just to say i just want to make sure that people know this if you like Elliot.

1:02:53Jason Mantzoukas:Where you're going to help them the most is by getting this book before the book comes out because that helps to all the, it makes other bookstores order them. It makes New York Times bestseller list, all those sort of things. So this is where you can do it and you can order it in many different spots. You don't have to feel like, well, I'm not going to go through Amazon. You can, but you can also, there's many places that you can find a book. You can support independent bookstores by pre-ordering. It actually does help too. But anyway, so I just want to make sure you're going to be you're going to be doing some live book promotion in new york and la and maybe some other spots yeah hopefully some other smaller cities too but is the book available in an audiobook do you read the audio yes and that's because i feel like you're i feel like you reading this book is going to be uh like like i listened to paul's book as the audiobook because i want to hear that yeah i want to hear you tell me these stories in my ears and i think I don't know about you, Paul, but it was so cathartic to actually do the audiobook because, you know, in trying to like in trying to hit the right note between like literary and like stand up ish, observational, performative comedy, getting to do it on the audiobook and getting to bring those to life and put it in like actual voice was so special.

1:04:10Jason Mantzoukas:You know, what was so interesting was I listened to Kevin Hart's, one of Kevin Hart's books on tape, and he really, I mean, and there could be multiple reasons for this, but he basically was like, I'm just going to do it my way. And it was fun. It's like, yeah, you can make it your own, and it's your own voice, and the inflections change. I love it. I recommend that everybody listen to the art book. Buy any version of it you can. And if you can't buy it, then make sure you reserve it at the library. it is the terrible horrible no good very bad gay Elliot Glazer you can check out Elliot on his podcast you can also check him out on social media this has been great come back again we should have you on the episode one time as well and oh please congrats on this think of any favorite bad movies you might have that you might want to discuss with us okay just two questions very quickly do you remember ever doing Theodore Rex or The Fanatic oh the fanatic would be great let's mark that up scott will mark it that is one that i my friend and i watched in amazement like he and i love to watch these movies and and there a lot of them have showed up on your on obviously on on um how is how did this get made but theodore rex we talk we still talk about the fanatic and um we watched reagan which was wild yeah huh wait is that reagan is dennis quaid as reagan is that dennis quaid as reagan it is a wild movie i mean i will tell you that i was in the place where they shot reagan in oklahoma city after he had wrapped and the stories that i had heard about the shooting of that thing was mind-blowing like in a way that i was like whoa and for a long time i was like when is that ever going to come out and then it did come out, but it seemed somebody said to me, it can never be released.

1:05:59Jason Mantzoukas:And they did. And some of the reviews are like, this shouldn't have been released. So yeah, so it does hit some nice moments there. It's nuts. Yeah. All right. Well, great. Elliot, thank you so much. Thank you. Oh, Elliot, the best. Thank you for stopping by. And if you want to order Elliot's book, just check out the show notes at the link. By the way, I believe his book is 40 % off on Audible right now, as is mine. Oh, mine is until the 10th. So get your books and Elliot reading it is going to be a treat. Anyway, now is the moment that you've all been waiting for so patiently. It is time to announce our next film.

1:06:38Jason Mantzoukas:Next week, the D, Endanger D, doesn't stand for Dan. It stands for Diesel. That's right. We'll be closing out our extreme summer with 2002's XXX starring, how did this get made, all-star Vin Diesel, Asia Argento, and Samuel L. Jackson. IMDb breaks in the plot like this. The U.S. government recruits extreme sports athlete Xander Cage to infiltrate a Russian criminal ring, which is plotting the destruction of the world. Rotten Tomatoes rates this film a 48 percent, and critic Dessen Thompson from the Washington Post wrote, Triple X is essentially a dumb guy's day in heaven. And you know what? I'm a dumb guy and I loved it and it's terrible and you'll enjoy it.

1:07:25Jason Mantzoukas:Listen to the trailer. Revolution Studios presents the new breed of secret agent. I want all of that in here. From the director of The Fast and the Furious, this summer. Dangerous, uncivilized. I love his attitude. Ben Diesel is... Triple X. I'm untouchable. Now, in case you're nervous about adult websites appearing when Googling where to watch a Triple X movie, I'll let you know that Triple X is available to stream for free on Canopy, Hoopla, and Tubi. That is it for Last Looks, everybody. But if you listen to us on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, please rate and review us. Also, make sure you are following us and have automatic downloads turned on.

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