In short
How Did This Get Made: Last Looks “Mindhunters” corrections/omissions, plus listener fact-checks and guest chat. The hosts revisit the film’s plausibility (FBI profiling training, SWAT-like scenarios, liquid nitrogen, underwater gunfights, wheelchair electrocution logic) and argue the movie is heavily derivative of Agatha Christie’s And Then There Were None.
Key claims
Mindhunters uses Christie’s island-killer structure, vice-based punishments, ominous foreshadowing (clocks vs Christie’s poem), projected audio scares, and a “killer faked their death” twist.
Notable examples
Liquid nitrogen wouldn’t “creep up” or freeze someone solid; underwater shooting with guns is treated as implausible; wheelchair upper-body strength myths are challenged; the jacket letters “C-R-O-A-T-O-A” are criticized as a contrived Roanoke story setup.
Guests
Jason Manzoukas (Just Chat). Phone callers: Jay (Ohio), Stoddard (military/SWAT scenario training), Alwyn (London, Christie-ripoff insight), Liz (Wisconsin, liquid nitrogen physics teacher), plus Discord contributors (e.g., Mediocre Pumpkin, Dr. Guts 1003, Arkham Player, Quantum Volt wannabe profiler).
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOListener Submissions and Taglines
2:26 to 4:35
Discussing listener-submitted taglines and movie references.
“Thank you, Sean McBee, for that amazing tagline, which, of course, is a reference to LL Cool J's amazing one-liner after killing Johnny Lee Miller.”
Corrections and Omissions on Mindhunters
4:35 to 6:32
Addressing listener corrections and insights on Mindhunters.
“Now, lastly, I'm going to play a phone call from our friend Garrett from Chicago.”
Detailed Analysis of Plot Points
6:32 to 10:34
Exploring plot inconsistencies and questions raised by listeners.
“Last week, we talked at length about mind hunters.”
Expert Opinions on Film Realism
10:34 to 14:00
Discussion on the realism of training scenarios depicted in Mindhunters.
“Yeah, I would imagine that the wheelchair for him is probably the safest place.”
Bizarre Crime Scene Experience
14:00 to 14:54
Discussion about the bizarre nature of crime scene training.
“I love, but it wasn't that like, it seems like what you're doing there is like crime scene, like evidence collecting that, that feels normal to me.”
Mindhunters and Agatha Christie
14:54 to 16:15
Exploring parallels between Mindhunters and Agatha Christie's work.
“All when from London coming in hot, Take it away.”
Physics of Liquid Nitrogen
16:15 to 18:26
A physics teacher discusses inaccuracies in the portrayal of liquid nitrogen in film.
“of Ag and Christie's and then there were none.”
Underwater Gun Scenes
18:26 to 21:40
Critique of the underwater gunfight scene in Mindhunters.
“Liz, are you telling me this movie didn't know what the hell they were talking about?”
Script Differences in Mindhunters
21:40 to 23:43
Discussion on differences between the Mindhunters script and the final film.
“and less notes because we've been just beaten into submission.”
Listener Corrections and Prize Announcement
23:43 to 26:37
Responding to listener feedback and announcing a prize winner.
“I mean, you know, to me, I feel like everybody brought their A game.”
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Listener Corrections and Prize Announcement
27:35 to 28:40
Responding to listener feedback and announcing a prize winner.
“And when you're ready to launch, use the offer code bonkers to save 10 % off your first purchase of a website or domain.”
Listener Corrections and Prize Announcement
28:55 to 29:56
Responding to listener feedback and announcing a prize winner.
“And instead of memorizing random vocab, you're learning phrases that you would use when you're ordering dinner and are asking for directions or even talking with locals.”
Welcome to Just Chat
30:45 to 31:15
Engaging chit-chat between hosts Jason and Paul, covering light topics and humor.
“All right, Rob from Long Island with a classic Just Chat theme.”
Discussion on AI and Comedy
31:15 to 36:25
Exploring the concept of creating an AI comedian and its implications.
“You know, I feel like we're right now, you know, we're in April showers.”
Book and Comic Recommendations
36:25 to 42:01
Sharing insights on books and comics, including titles and their themes.
“on um pbs masterpiece no okay good okay so um there's a show called bookish that was on masterpiece it just finished its first season and it's it's like the most masterpiece theater British detective show.”
Discussion on Batman's The Cult
42:01 to 42:48
Exploration of the parallels between an old Batman storyline and current events.
“They did a deluxe edition of an old Batman storyline called The Cult.”
Discussion on Batman's The Cult
42:51 to 43:50
Exploration of the parallels between an old Batman storyline and current events.
“There's adventure on the horizon, but there's also just normal things to do.”
Discussion on Batman's The Cult
43:54 to 44:25
Exploration of the parallels between an old Batman storyline and current events.
“There's no gimmicks, no gotchas, just unlimited talk, text, and data, fast, reliable coverage on the nation's largest 5G network, and an award-winning care team.”
Discussion on Josh Simmons and Comics
45:54 to 47:50
Conversation about Josh Simmons' horror collection and other comics.
“And it is, I mean, there are things in it that I was like, it is, it's visceral.”
Strange Taco Bell Special Experience
47:53 to 53:14
Recap of a bizarre Taco Bell live event that left the hosts unsettled.
“Because you'd think, okay, well, they'll have jokes and they'll do music.”
Recommendations for Documentaries
53:15 to 55:20
Discussion of various documentaries and anime series worth watching.
“that oh it gives me the chills just even thinking about it but sorry i didn't mean to cut you off no no i love that i think that sounds absolutely bananas i can throw a couple more things and into the mix.”
Exploring Livewire: A 90s Trash Action Film
56:05 to 57:16
The hosts discuss the movie 'Livewire' and its quirky premise.
“These attacks against members of the Senate come just a week before the revote on the anti-arms bill.”
Transcript
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1:49Jason Mantzoukas:Plus, we will find out how Mindhunters ripped off Agatha Christie. And guess what, people? It's time to go back to 1987 because Black Monday is on Netflix. That's right. All this and more on a brand new, how did this get made? Last Looks. Hit the theme.
2:26Jason Mantzoukas:movie correct the information submit the omitted just shine with jason june on red don't guess last looks last looks hello to all my mind hunters welcome to last looks i am paul sheer where you the listener get to voice your issue on Mindhunters, a movie that Discord user Sean McBee thinks should have had the tagline, Mindhunters, their only weakness? Bullets. Thank you, Sean McBee, for that amazing tagline, which, of course, is a reference to LL Cool J's amazing one-liner after killing Johnny Lee Miller. I don't remember it, to be quite honest with you. I mean, I laughed at it because I thought it was funny, but don't remember that that's a reference at all.
3:21Jason Mantzoukas:And that's why Sean McBee is the champ. He doesn't need you to remember the movie. He just needs to get you. And he got me. A big shout out to Chris Cheney for that opening theme song. Chris, you killed it. Remember, if you have an alt movie tagline, you can submit it to us on our discord at discord.gg slash hdtgm. And if you have a last looks theme song like Chris, you can just go to hdtgm.com and click on the submit a song button on our homepage. Remember, keep them short. 15 to 20 seconds is best. If you don't remember any of that stuff, just remember, just go to hdtgm.com. It's so easy. Everything is there.
3:56Jason Mantzoukas:You got pictures, you got merch, you got episodes, and you even got links to the discord and my book. Everything is there. So don't worry about writing it down because I know everyone just reached for a pen and paper because we're all just going analog. No, no, just go to hdtgm.com. You can remember that. Today, what are we going to be doing? Well, I'll tell you, we're going to stay pretty much on track to every single episode of this series, which is we're going to go to your corrections and omissions on Mindhunters. Then Jason Manzoukas, he is going to pop in. We're going to talk a bit about, guess what, stuff we like.
4:31Jason Mantzoukas:And then, of course, I will reveal the movie for next week's episode. Now, lastly, I'm going to play a phone call from our friend Garrett from Chicago. He called in with a question that kind of segues nicely into the last thing I wanted to plug. Garrett, what's on your mind? Hey, Paul. I was just listening to the last look's Forbidden Dance, and you were saying that you couldn't get Black Monday anywhere. And then today I see it's coming on Netflix in like a week or two. Did that conversation have anything to do with that? Or did someone stronghold somebody after listening to that? Because it literally just came on there.
5:08I just wondering. I think it's a great show. Love the show. Been listening
5:12Jason Mantzoukas:to it for 15 years. Wow. Alright, bye. Garrett, you are right. Netflix is now the home of Black Monday. Three seasons of Black Monday on Netflix. It's me. It's Don Cheadle. It's Regina Hall. It's Andrew Rannells. It's Casey Wilson. It's June Diane Rayfield. Eugene Cordero. Yes, sir, Lester. The list goes on and on. The first episode directed by Seth Rogan and Evan Goldberg. It looks amazing. It's shot in anamorphic, which if you know anything, it looks pretty fucking cool. Uh, anyway, I love black Monday. I just started rewatching it. I haven't watched it since it first came out and the show really holds up and I hope more people find it.
5:55Jason Mantzoukas:And I hope this is your chance to go check it out. Every season just gets more and more crazy. It's jam-packed with just amazing people, wall-to-wall great performances. So I hope you all like it and enjoy a little Black Monday, whatever day you put it on. All right, that's all the plugs that I got. Oh, and was it my fault for saying it on Mindhundreds? Yeah, probably. I'm sure Netflix heard me say it, and then boom. I will say this. I did post a couple of things, and I got a lot of responses. We've been kind of hitting a brick wall with that show for a long time. So I'm going to say it's the power of how did this get made so we can all embrace it.
6:33Jason Mantzoukas:All right. That is all I got for plugs. Let's get into it. Last week, we talked at length about mind hunters. Well, we had questions and we might have even missed a few things. Here is your chance to set us straight. Fact check us, if you will. It is now time for corrections and omissions. For all the things we talked about, there were things we did leave out. So now it's time for corrections and omissions Thank you, Dornheim, for that theme song. Let's go to the Discord. The Mediocre Pumpkin writes, The end line where LL Cool J calls back to Val Kilmer's rule that the situation isn't secure until the ride home is frustrating for multiple reasons.
7:20Jason Mantzoukas:June correctly said it's dumb because they're not actually on the ride home yet, but it's also especially frustrating because LL wasn't even in the earlier scene when Val Kilmer used that line. He also was not a part of the profiler training program. So how does he know? Mediocre Pumpkin, you brought up a bunch of good points there. Could have so easily been switched to the other person. Wow, it is shocking to me. A movie like this would make such a blunder, And the only answer I could say is he is the teacher. That's right. Val Kilmer is just a decoy. LL Cool J is actually teaching the class.
8:06Jason Mantzoukas:Val Kilmer is his puppet. And that's the final reveal. You see, you thought you found Owen a mission. But what you didn't realize was you revealed just how dumb you are. You didn't get the bigger point that LL was the teacher all along. It's right there for you. It's right there. How did you miss it? Hope no one else missed it. Dr. Guts 1003 writes, presumably Val Kilmer had set up the island to have all sorts of clues to help the team profile and capture his imaginary puppeteer killer. So how come outside of the initial mannequin corpse crime scene, they never come across anything else that is connected to the simulated crime?
8:45It's a great question.
8:46Jason Mantzoukas:I would imagine it's because they are running for their lives. I mean, they are full on in panic mode. It would have been great if they found a clue and then realized it was just like a decoy clue. I would have liked that as like a twist, but I don't think this movie was smart enough to handle anything that complex. I think the minute a real serial killer is on the island, everything is out the window and we're off to the races. You would have thought that maybe Val Kilmer would have had a couple other people with them, maybe hiding out on that. Nope, nope, nope. I mean, honestly, the Mindhunters should have killed some more innocent people is what I'm saying.
9:20Jason Mantzoukas:Dr. Guts also writes that I thought it was worth mentioning that Rennie Harlan dropped out of directing another How Did This Get Made classic, A Sound of Thunder, to film Mindhunters instead. Ooh, interesting. If you don't remember A Sound of Thunder, I believe that that is the time travel movie where someone steps on a butterfly and then like they're running from dinosaurs. Were they running from dinosaurs? There are dinosaurs and there's butterflies. I know that. I know that someone steps on a butterfly, but it's not the butterfly effect with my man, the Kutch. Arkham Player writes, I'm not exactly in shape, but as a wheelchair user, I question Vince's ability to hold himself up on the pipes for so long.
10:04Jason Mantzoukas:Upper body strength in wheelchair users is kind of a myth unless you're training for like the Paralympics or a marathon. Wheelchairs are meant to make moving easier and not meant to be a device in which people improve their upper body strength. Now, I'm not saying I'm willing to test this out on Mythbusters anytime soon, but the tires on a wheelchair are made of rubber, so Vince would have been grounded protecting him from getting shocked by electricity. Wow. Arkham player, first of all, thank you for giving us a really solid fact check. Yeah, I would imagine that the wheelchair for him is probably the safest place.
10:43Jason Mantzoukas:Maybe I can't quite figure out the logic here either, except for the fact that they just wanted him to hang from pipes. And that pipe scene was so exciting, I guess. All right. Please do not test this theory out. Arkham Player already has told me he won't, but I don't want anyone else to try to electrocute themselves in a wheelchair. We will let the professionals deal with that. All right, let's go to the phones with Jay from Ohio. Hey, Paul, June, and Jason. Just a note on Mindhunters. You all remarked at the beginning about the scenario Val Kilmer put them in when he was more of a tactical exercise versus a profiling one.
11:21This is true. FBI profiler training is more psychological, and the raiding part of catching killers would probably fall more to a dedicated FBI tactical unit or even a local law enforcement SWAT team. That said, profilers are typically still special agents or criminal investigators who have arresting powers and are armed. Depending on the nature of a warranted search, they may actually be the ones doing the knocking on the door as well. They also do train on certain scenarios like this where force may be required. They use simulated firearms that shoot chalk-like projectiles, which I can say hurt like hell.
11:52I've actually assisted on some of these, posing as anything from an aggressive protester to a convenience tort robber. It's actually kind of fun. that said none of the training i've observed or taken part in was as elaborate as they said and it seems like some fraud waste and abuse investigations are required on the part of
12:08Jason Mantzoukas:val cummer's character so keep up the great work uh p.s paul my wife and i both love your book thanks bye oh man jay thank you so much for reading my book um also whoa these chalk pellets were you shooting them or were you getting shot with them either way i guess what you're saying is this movie not really based in reality. Well, I was on your side. And then I got this phone call from my friend Stoddard. Stoddard, take it away. Hello, Paul. This is about mind hunters and where to begin. So many things to talk about. But there's one that I think I have a specific insight into in the military i was uh on a SWAT team and i was a detective and when i went to the detective academy they actually had a place called scenarioville that was abandoned military housing and in those houses they would set up crime scenes with dummies and fake blood sometimes with real blood that they want you to test, you know, use one of the kits to detect blood, broken windows, weapons, or items laying around so that that way you would be able to go in and actually, you know, sketch your crime scene and make your measurements and then take all your photographs and collect the crime scene evidence correctly.
13:38And that way you would be trained and you would be tested in the same area and although it wasn't as elaborate as what is in the film certainly it was uh it was kind of crazy watching it and going it's not that far off it's just it's just cranked up to 11 is what they did in the film and it just turned it up to 11 you know it's it was pretty crazy when I was doing it I remember thinking this is this is kind of bizarre that they've just made an entire crime scene and then you've got instructors to kind of stand around watching you or, or, uh, or they'd be watching you on a, on a camera like in the movie.
14:16So, uh, yeah, there you go. A little inside information.
14:20Jason Mantzoukas:Love the show. Take care. Scenario bill. I love it. I love, but it wasn't that like, it seems like what you're doing there is like crime scene, like evidence collecting that, that feels normal to me. I don't think that they create full on like, uh, like hunting. They weren't sending you out to knock on doors, were they? Maybe they were. I don't know. I like scenario bill. Let like, uh, is it like Lars van Trier's dogville? Um, no. Uh, all right. This makes sense. The movie obviously based in reality, but guess what else? It's based in plagiarism. Check it out. All when from London coming in hot, Take it away.
15:04Jason Mantzoukas:Hi there. I was not familiar with Mindhunters before the most recent episode, but what I was familiar with was Agatha Christie's book, and then there were none. And the more I listened to this week's episode, the more familiar some of the plot elements of Mindhunter became. They're both about a group of people trapped in an island being picked off one by one by the killer, who is someone among them. And if it was just that, I probably wouldn't have thought about it. But it clicked for me when you mentioned on the pod the way each person is killed in the movie plays on their vice, and in the Agatha Christie, each person is being killed as punishment for something terrible they've done.
15:37There's also the element of each of the deaths being foreshadowed ominously before they happen. In Mindhunter, it sounds like it's the clocks. In Christie's, it's with an eerie poem that the book takes the title from. There's also the tension of the group turning on each other as more people are eliminated, and suspicions grow. And very specifically in both, there's a message projected over audio designed to scare people. And then finally, at the risk of spoiling the book, there's a plot twist of the killer being someone who faked their own death about halfway through the killings only to return alive at the end.
16:05So it seems beyond the realm of coincidence at this point, I probably could find more if I watched the movie. And I have to wonder if Mindhunters is actually just a way worse ripoff of Ag and Christie's and then there were none. Would love to hear your thoughts.
16:18Jason Mantzoukas:Owen, you are 100 % right. This is a direct ripoff of and then there were none. And great job putting together those context clues. I've seen that. I didn't even put that together. I haven't seen it. Well, yeah, I've seen it. I didn't read it. And I'm not going to lie about that. I've seen the movie. And you are completely right. So many websites call this out. I don't know how they got away with not, you know, saying it was based on that story, but I guess they added enough stuff to it that just kind of pushed that out of sight. I mean, enough serial killer tropes, And that's kind of what they're saying is that they overlaid a lot of 90s stuff on top of Agatha Christie.
17:04Jason Mantzoukas:So, Alwyn, way to go for being well-read and getting it just from a few context clues. Next up, and finally, Liz from Wisconsin. Hi, Paul, June, and Jason. I just listened to the Mindhunter episode, and I was listening to you talk about the liquid nitrogen attack. Jack, I am a physics teacher, and in college we did experiments with liquid nitrogen, and I just thought I'd share a little bit about my experience there, because your instincts that it shouldn't do what it did in the movie are absolutely correct. It shouldn't have done really anything at all. It would evaporate really quickly. We used to have a doer, like a cylinder full of liquid nitrogen to use for experiments, and people would kind of dare each other to stick their hands in it, And you shouldn't do that.
17:52And it was important to, you know, take off any rings or metal jewelry you were wearing. I never was quite brave enough to, but I saw my friends do it a number of times. You can stick your hand in liquid nitrogen and just pull it out real fast, and you'll be totally fine. If it gets sprayed on your skin, it'll evaporate right away. So there's no scenario where anything close to what we saw would have happened there. So I just thought I would share that I have personally seen people with liquid nitrogen on them. and it did not creep up and freeze them and make them shatter. Thanks for all you guys do.
18:25Jason Mantzoukas:Love your podcast. Bye-bye. Liz, are you telling me this movie didn't know what the hell they were talking about? See, I appreciate this. This is a week where we get military detectives. We get FBI profilers. We get literature person. We get physics teachers. This is the kind of content that I need. Not just, oh, in one scene, the button was open. No, no, no. I got fucking professionals here. Thank you, Liz. Thank you, Alwyn. Thank you, Stoddard. Thank you, Jay. It does bum me out because then you're also, I guess, telling me that Terminator 2, the ending to that is also flawed. No. All right.
19:07Jason Mantzoukas:Back to the discord. Django One writes, what really irked me in this movie was the letters on the back of their jackets. There's a scene where all the jackets are laid on the table and you can clearly see the letters, even though the black lights aren't shining on them, which means they would have been clearly visible to the naked eye. Second, they reveal the letters C-R-O-A-T-O-A. Croteau? Just so Clifton Collins Jr. can tell the story of the Roanoke Island colony. So you're telling me Johnny Lee Miller put those letters on the jacket solely to have that story told? Preposterous. I mean, was that like a story that like, like, like that Clifton Collins Jr.
19:54Jason Mantzoukas:told all the time? He's like, oh, this would be great. I'll make him tell it to everybody again. Like, oh yeah, they'll just do the same story over and over again. I mean, I don't even understand. I mean, I guess I get when maybe that's a clue. That is technically a clue. He should have put Agatha Christie on the back of the jacket. Um, Quantum Volt wannabe profiler writes, I was sad the trio didn't discuss the underwater final face-off between Johnny Lee Miller and Catherine Morris, where they aim guns above the water in what I think was a game of chicken with their breath control. I get Catherine's character is terrified of water and it's supposed to be her conquering her fear, but there are so many problems from the guns being in the water for an extended period of time, let alone whether Catherine would be able to hit Johnny at all.
20:40Jason Mantzoukas:I thought that was the dumbest and funniest part of the film. I mean, Quantum Vault, you did it. You talked us through it. Yeah. I mean, I am tired of the underwater bullet thing. I think that that's the opening of the last James Bond movie. There is a period of time in the 80s and 90s where every bad guy is going underwater with their guns and they're shooting slow bullets. I think that that's in Mission Impossible 3, the one with the guy from Michael Clayton. And then it also is in Lethal Weapon. Everyone is going underwater with guns and the guns are working fine. It's impossible. I believe that if you've never been underwater before, holding your breath shouldn't be that hard.
21:26Jason Mantzoukas:I don't know. I mean, she's afraid of water. I forgot about that. The movie is dumb. And that scene I thought actually was anticlimactic, honestly. Uh, so thank you for calling it out. And I'm sorry that we didn't get there. I think sometimes our energy for watching the movie, like we, by the end of the movie, we're taking less and less notes because we've been just beaten into submission. Uh, Sean McBee writes, I read the script for Mindhunters and the finished film didn't deviate it from it too much. There are two things I wanted to mention. First of all, Sean, you read the script for Mindhunters.
21:59Jason Mantzoukas:You, you You belong up in the fancy category of our profilers and lit majors and physics teachers. Okay, so Sean goes, these are the two differences. During the end scene in the pool, instead of the silly holding the gun out of the water to shoot whoever runs out of breath first, Catherine Morris gets out of the pool, then dumps in liquid nitrogen before Johnny Lee Miller can get out, freezing him solid. Honestly, I like that ending better. I think that that's a cooler ending. It ties together some bookends. And then the other scene that is different is there's a weird scene where Vince's leg twitches and the team suddenly suspects that he's been faking his disability and is the killer.
22:42Jason Mantzoukas:They actually hold a gun to his head and say, we're going to kill him if he doesn't stand up. And he does stand. Wait, what? But even the script doesn't know if that was from extreme effort or some weird nerve response. Despite this seemingly confirming their suspicions, the group moves on from it pretty quickly. It seems like they recognized in the edit that this didn't make a lot of sense and ended up cutting it. But they did leave in one shot of Vince's leg twitching earlier in the movie. And that was probably a setup for this scene. Wow. Wow. Wow. That is a wild, a wild thing. And I actually really love the specificity of the twitch.
23:26Jason Mantzoukas:because it just further convolutes and makes everybody want to point the gun at each other, because that's really what they're all doing after a certain period of time. Sean, you did the Lord's work by reading the script. And I got to say, you were not the only one. I mean, you know, to me, I feel like everybody brought their A game. And that's why the winner I'm going to pick this week. Oh, it's going to be tricky. It is going to be so, so tricky. It's going to be Alwyn from London because Alwyn found something that no one else found and it was right out in the open. The clue was right there, just like Krakatoa.
24:09Jason Mantzoukas:And here is your winning prize. That's right. You're not going to get a prize you can hold in your hand, But you can get this, a free profile of you from me. That's right. I'm going to put on my FBI profile hat and based solely on the info available in your submission, I am going to tell you all about you. Scott, hit me with some dramatic profiling music. All one from London. Well, what do we have here? It looks like she's extremely armed with opinions. That's right. Within minutes of meeting you, she will be able to diagnose you as a killer or a victim. Having read every Agatha Christie novel, she knows immediately which character you are playing in real life.
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24:57Jason Mantzoukas:Because Agatha Christie has written everyone's life in her novels. We are just living them. And if you dare tell her about a movie or a TV show, she'll tell you which novel that was ripped off from. You say, oh my gosh, I love Family Matters. She goes, well, guess what? That's just the crooked house, which is an Agatha Christie novel. You go, oh, I love what's happening. She's like, oh, that's just five little pigs. Oh, Alwyn, you're so smart. But beware, if you ever catch her in a locked room or around a Belgian man, something is amiss. You can often find her in libraries. And guess what? she does have a favorite Agatha Christie character but she won't tell you who and if you ever mispronounce Hercule Perrault's name she will never forgive you the same way she will never accept Benoit Blanc into her heart because that's not Christie that's Johnson anyway I don't know what I'm doing anymore I hope you enjoyed your profile I'm sure that's 100 % accurate based on all the information I know about you.
26:11Jason Mantzoukas:Anyway, for those who didn't win, be thankful. But guess what? You can try next week to get your prize. Maybe not an FBI profiler. Maybe we won't do that again, but something else. Who knows? Anyway, keep on submitting your corrections and omissions on our Discord or by calling us at 619-P-A-U-L-A-S-K. Coming up after the break, Jason will stop by for a Just Chat, so stick around. Today's podcast is brought to you by our friends over at Squarespace. You know, I love Squarespace because with Squarespace, everything that you need to succeed online is in one spot from claiming your domain to building a beautiful website, promoting your work and taking payments.
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30:40Jason Mantzoukas:But you're gonna have to wait just a little bit longer before we reveal what that movie is, because right now it is time to welcome Jason to Last Looks for a little Just Chat.
31:14Jason Mantzoukas:All right, Rob from Long Island with a classic Just Chat theme. Jason, how are you? You know, Paul, I'm doing great. You know, I feel like we're right now, you know, we're in April showers. And I feel like, you know. Listen, they're going to bring those May flowers. Oh, I hope, Jason. I really, really hope. I hope we get May flowers this year. May flowers would be a great name for like a 1940s actress. Oh, that's a May Flowers. Oh, I love that. It's a stage name. Her real name was like Peggy Lasbert, known as May Flowers. May Flowers is good. She was murdered. May Flowers, murdered. Well, she was dating that mafia guy.
32:02Jason Mantzoukas:He was old school. By the way, this is it. He betrayed Capone. It's starting to sound like I just, I mean, I don't know when this is coming out because we're recording. but it was recently, I will say not to timestamp when we're recording this St. Patrick's day. And, um, I have adopted our friend Owen Burke's St. Patrick's day viewing routine, which is, I watched Miller's crossing the Coen brothers, Miller's crossing, which he watches on St. Patrick's day. And boy, it's just one of my absolute. Oh, I love that. I love that. Uh, By the way, I'm looking up if there were any May Flowers. And it seemed like there is a Maya Flowers and a Sandra May Flowers.
32:47Jason Mantzoukas:But we are pretty much, we're good. We're good. May Flowers. We could do that. Yeah, we got it. Maya Flowers is different. And if your name is Maya Flowers, change it to May. Like, why? You're so close. I mean, yeah, that's true. I mean, I wonder if she goes by May. Probably not. Maya is such a short name. Well, if you're going to name your kid Maya, then just name her May. But what if you were trying to say, like, oh, those are Maya Flowers?
33:17Jason Mantzoukas:Now you're talking. Now it's making sense. Now I get it. Oh, my gosh. I love it. I think we should. Here's what we should do. Yeah. A la Tilly Norwood. Yeah, of course. We should create an AI actor named May Flowers. Now that's, I'm in. Okay. Yes. Maybe, maybe instead of like Tilly Norwood's like kind of, she's like a young ingenue. Maybe May Flowers is, we do our AI is like a standup comedian who just does Matt Reif style crowd work. Oh, okay. I, now that see you're going that direction. And I'm thinking what I was thinking that you were going to go for was we create like a June squib. She's just very, very, very old.
34:03Jason Mantzoukas:But by the way, let's mix them together. She's an old, because you could do it. Yes, you could do it for years. She's not getting, you know, she's an elderly stand-up comedian who just does crowd work. To great success because she is getting this intergenerational audience. It's like the young kids love her because she's cool and she's hip, but the older people are like, finally, this person can speak for me. And because it's AI, we can have her be literate in all of the slang and everything for all the generations. Oh, yeah. So she can speak authentically to Gen Alpha and the baby boomers. But she's not playing down to it.
34:45Jason Mantzoukas:Like, she's not doing like, oh, it depends. No. No, she's not doing that kind of stuff. Yeah. No, I think she's kind of like a real tells it like it is honest person. you know like I think that the thing we need to prioritize in our new AI actors I love and then this is speaks for also the geek squad is people what they want is the perception of authenticity and that is why I think the more authentic we can make Mayflowers seem our elderly stand-up comedian AI construct uh the more authentic we can make her seem the better you know yes and I I feel like that becomes, and this is where we're going to have to spend a lot of money.
35:25Jason Mantzoukas:Now I know a lot of people are not, you know, are like, Hey, Paul, Jason, don't, don't, you know, embrace AI, but we are doing something that honestly, I don't think you can do, which is a nice thing to use. Exactly. Right. It is. It is not taking a job away from anyone we're doing. Uh, you know, we're, we're doing a hundred year old person. It is. We're going to get one angry woman. How dare you? guys do even joke about joke even as a joke i don't like it when they do this even as a joke it's not funny to joke around about yeah people are like all right all right we're just enjoying here are the names of five incredibly talented elderly comedians who never broke why don't you talk why don't you give them a platform instead of your stupid fake dumb bits oh man uh oh my gosh all right uh i've got stuff that i'm watching you want to hear about it yeah get ready did i talk about bookish the mark gaddis um post-world war ii detective show on um pbs masterpiece no okay good okay so um there's a show called bookish that was on masterpiece it just finished its first season and it's it's like the most masterpiece theater British detective show.
36:49It is post-World War II, like right after the war. So it features like bombed out London streets and everything. Mark Gaddis, who you might know as the Mycroft in the Sherlock Holmes, Benedict Cumberbatch Sherlock Holmes. He's also the head of the Iron Bank on Game of Thrones. He's part of the Doctor Who world. Mark Gaddis, you would recognize if you saw him. This is his show. He wrote and created it. And it's about a Sherlock Holmes-esque detective who's helping, who consults with the police to solve crimes in post-World War II London. And it is dynamite. There's just a lot going on. There's a lot of layers to it that are very interesting.
37:34But it's really just straight ahead. Every two episodes is one mystery. So it's basically like a movie length story. Oh, I love that. story. So every two episodes is one mystery.
37:45Jason Mantzoukas:A little like Luther-esque in that way, right? Very much, yes. And it's so fun and it looks great and Gaddis is fantastic and there's a couple of good reveals that come in and a couple of longer running mysteries. But for the most part, it's a case of the week and absolutely beautifully done. It's called Bookish. It's available now. The whole first season is up and it's terrific. Oh, wow. All right. I got to watch that. I like that a lot. I think you'd really like it. It's really satisfying. Yeah, that seems really good. Are you reading anything right now? Because I'm reading a great book. I don't know if I talked about this.
38:21Jason Mantzoukas:Ooh, what do you got? I read this book called Strangers, which is a memoir of a marriage by Belle Burden, which is, June was reading it, and she's like, you gotta read it. It's about this couple who's been together, like this kind of New York City socialite, whose husband leaves her. It's a really great, compelling, quick read, really beautifully written. During the pandemic? Yes, it happens like during COVID. And it's fascinating. I think what I love about it is on some level just talks about breakups and like that awkwardness of what a breakup is and how you feel. And did you do anything wrong?
39:01Jason Mantzoukas:And and who and and how your friends treat you? It really captures an element. And there's another part of this, which is like they are very affluent and they're within this like kind of a different cultural sphere in New York, which is great. But I do think the reason why it connects so much is it's not like it doesn't have like juicy bits like, oh, then we went to this house and we did this. It really just more is like how you fit in when you are a part of something and now you are singular. Yeah. And I thought that book was really, really, really great. And I also was a much discussed when I was in New York doing that Simon Rich show.
39:39Everybody behind the scenes was reading. I guess it had just been right in something uh it had just been maybe in vanity fair or something and that book was like everybody was talking about that book i gotta read it yeah it is a she writes
39:54Jason Mantzoukas:really well i guess it started as a new york times like there's like a love section new york times like you can write like these stories about like relationships modern love modern love so she wrote that and they kind of it grew out of that so um but uh yeah i highly highly recommend that i really I think it's a great. I will shout out. I don't remember if I mentioned this. I'm a huge fan of all the Star Wars audio books. Oh, yeah. Specifically. I love all the Star Wars books. But the audio books, they do such a great job sound designing them and making them feel very immersive. And the one that came out at the end of last year called Sanctuary, that is the Bad Batch, the TV, the animated show, The Bad Batch.
40:36This is a novel for all of those characters, and it's fantastic.
40:40Jason Mantzoukas:Oh, I love that. I'll throw out a couple of recommendations for comics. I'm very much enjoying Matt Fraction's Batman run right now with Jorge Jimenez on our absolutely gorgeous book. Fantastic. Two books, two longer books, like hardcover books. The Avengers in the Veracity Trap, the Chip Kidd book, was fantastic. and The Superheroes Journey. These are basically books where creators are putting themselves and doing graphic novels that are about their own personal relationship to these characters and these stories. So there's a real blurring of the lines. Do you remember like we talked about, I think on your pod, on your maybe something you were doing, Marvel 1985?
41:27Jason Mantzoukas:Oh, yes, yes, yes. You know, it's a little bit like that. These are incredible comics creators who are writing these original stories that have themselves as components to them and why and how all of these characters from the Marvel Universe are so impactful and important to them, but told nonetheless in a comics style. So very good. The Avengers and the Veracity Trap and the Superheroes Journey. I loved both of those. I will also shout out, I'm like very much enjoying, I just finished rather, They did a deluxe edition of an old Batman storyline called The Cult. And it really takes place in a Gotham where a cult figure takes over.
42:13Like a cult leader, a religious leader, cult leader takes over Gotham and starts to amass this incredibly powerful army of people who are doing whatever he says. And the parallels between its storyline and the world we're currently living in was chilling and very unsettling. And it's great. And it's from the 90s. You know, it's like an old run, but fantastic. They just put out a deluxe edition of it, and it's really great.
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45:53Jason Mantzoukas:I just got I went out with our good friend Jesse Falcon By the way You should come out to those dinners I've been trying to do Like a bi-monthly Jesse Falcon dinner Because he is I would love it A great hang As you know Jesse works in the Marvel world But he gave me this book The Furry Trap By Josh Simmons And whoa Josh Simmons is nuts Yes Yes, it is like a horror short story collection. And it is, I mean, there are things in it that I was like, it is, it's visceral. It's like, it's unsettling. No, no, Josh Simmons stuff is very hardcore. Very, it's great. It's, it's really, does that book, I forget, have the Batman story in it?
46:42There's a Josh Simmons book. Dream of the Bat is the, is the, is the one I'm thinking. Oh, yes. Yes.
46:48Jason Mantzoukas:Okay. I'm looking at that right now. And that's another Josh Simmons kind of twisted book. That's great. And there's a few. It looks like it looks like the Twilight of the Bat. And I don't know that I knew that. And then the birth of the bat. Yeah. All right. This is interesting. I got to get more into him. But yeah, I think that's how I found out about Josh Simmons was also Jesse Falcon. Oh, wow. So that makes total sense. yeah that is uh it was like he's like we got to go over here i'm gonna get you this book i was like all right great uh he's the best i just such a good time um i've become obsessed with the comics writer rom v okay um and just two books of his that i really enjoyed the one hand and the six fingers and dawn runner are two kind of graphic novel length books that are i think are both absolutely terrific very cool very interesting uh comics writer right now that i think is really worth checking out now i know that we are always recommending stuff that we really really like but jason there is something i do need to talk to you about that is kind of inexplicable in many ways which is um on peacock our favorite streaming platform uh we talk about a lot uh there was a special called live Moss live live Moss live happened the Friday before the Academy Awards and it was presented as an award show hosted by Vin Vince Staples and live Moss live was a Taco Bell board meeting that was put on stage that I Molly watched it with me and we are in complete, it shook me to the core what this thing is.
48:42Jason Mantzoukas:Because you'd think, okay, well, they'll have jokes and they'll do music. No, it is a straight up, hour long, like, it's like, oh, I work for Taco Bell and they're kind of like bringing me into the fold. And guess what? They hired a couple interesting people. They have like, Benson Boone comes out at one point and goes, let me tell you about this six-sided thirst trap. It's a quesadilla supreme. As Molly is saying right now, She says post-apocalyptic fast food nightmare. Wait, but was it real? It's 100 % real. It is a way for Taco Bell to show off all their new products like the creme brulee crunch wrap.
49:17Jason Mantzoukas:But they put it in an award show thing. And you would think, okay, well, Vince Staples is hosting it. No, just it's really the CMO. Like he introduces the show and then the CMO comes out. And the CMO runs most of the show. and then they cut to cameos of people that are shocking like at one point they it's like the money that went out to pay everybody and i don't i don't fault anyone for taking taco bell money and showing up and drinking a cold brew horchata peacock okay live moss alive as i describe it to you it's not close to capturing what it was it's like oh this would be funny it's lame it's weird because it sounds like what you're pitching me is like a tim and eric sketch right or something you know yes and it like it it's really it's all over the place it's a show that they keep on telling you um it's going to be full of comedy and music but they never get to either one of those things like organic like it's like yeah they're i guess this is comedy some of the faces that you might know and recognize a lot of great friends of ours that are in it and i need to ask them a lot of questions about what it was but a live event it happened live boys on it this seems like prime dough boys oh no it was it was jason sudeikis benson boone rachel bilson uh it was the bella twins from the wwe uh phineas phineas from billy yeah like like uh tara lapinski um yeah it It is a wild ride.
50:54Jason Mantzoukas:Anyway, and Vince Staples hosts it. I wonder how many people are watching that. I don't know. Because you said it's long, right? It's like a long thing. It's an hour. It's an hour long. It's like a full-length special. If you have Peacock, just try the opening. You're like, oh, Paul oversold this. This is not bad. The opening is the only part where I'm like, okay, there's a conceit here. and then once they get into the venue which is the Palladium it is wild wild that is very unsettling I need everyone to watch it because I can't I lived through this with Molly and Wes you guys have like trauma that you need to talk we really it still sits with me what did I watch and you know when and my my and your like my my radar for this like i'm fine i can watch anything bad this was on another level something like like it was like we were forced to watch a company retreat where they're like we got tara lipinski so she's gonna come out talk about the crunch rap like oh that's amazing people it's almost like it's almost like a a an inside out like um you know gillette theater or something like that like the product would host a performance right and you don't even get that like you don't even now you don't get the performance you just get like the board meeting of gillette and some celebrities like walk through right and it and it's and it is that that same thing i don't know if you've ever done this i've definitely done this where you are but kind of flown in we'll treat you nice we'll put you up in a night we'll pay you a little bit of money you just come and say hey everybody i'm so excited that everything is happening for taco bell but it's all like we don't do that on camera no one knows that that ever happens right that is like i went to mexico one time to sit with a bunch of people who bought the most local advertising on fx at one point june and i went down and had a dinner and uh it was a love it was a lovely experience it was a fine experience yeah but man oh man this live mas live okay i'm gonna check this like i mean check it out like at night you know get yourself yeah get yourself in whatever zone you need to do because it you need to be a little bit you need to i think in the broad light of day it will it will be a soul crush holy shit that's very funny um i love that oh it gives me the chills just even thinking about it but sorry i didn't mean to cut you off no no i love that i think that sounds absolutely bananas i can throw a couple more things and into the mix.
53:33Great. I'll just throw out, um, in my continuing, uh, anime, uh, obsession. Uh, I'm now have just watched season one of jujitsu Kaisen, which is, I think phenomenal. Like, Oh yeah. That and sentenced to being a hero are two of like the best action, um, shows that I've ever seen. Like the, the, the fights and everything are absolutely beautiful and stunning, gorgeous show as stunning and beautiful as, like the heartbreaking scenes of this season of Free Rin are. I will say absolutely this season of Free Rin, which I've already mentioned, is absolutely the best season of television maybe I've ever seen.
54:15The Hero of the South episode is absolutely incredible. The documentary about screenwriter Paddy Chayefsky called Collector of Words is absolutely fantastic if you care about Hollywood. He is just such a fantastic character. I cannot recommend that enough as well as the documentary, Paul, which I think you would also like, which is called Breslin and Hamill deadline artists, which is about the relationship of Jimmy Breslin and Pete Hamill, the two like totemic New York, uh, journalists, New York city journalists. And it's about their friendship. It's about their battles with each other. It's just, and it's also what I loved about it, which I think you would very much like about it.
55:00It is about that period of time in New York City that is so heady and so wild. And all of the footage is fantastic. All of the characters are fantastic. Oh, I love that. I think it's on HBO. I'm almost positive. It's called Breslin and Hamill Deadline Artists. That one and the Patty Chayefsky documentary, I think, are absolutely dynamite.
55:23Jason Mantzoukas:I love this. All right, Jason, what a pleasure chatting with you as always. Yay. But now it is finally time to announce our next movie. Next week, we are going from Johnny Lee Miller to Liquid Bomb Killer. That's right. We'll be watching 1992's action thriller Live Wire starring Pierce Brosnan, Lisa L. Bakker from Beverly Hills Cop, and actor, activist, Ron Silva. I know it's silver. I'm so excited for you to watch this movie. It is a great one. Here's a breakdown of the plot. After a U.S. senator is killed by a mysterious ingested liquid explosive, a bomb disposal expert is brought in to investigate the explosive and uncover the terrorist plan.
56:05Jason Mantzoukas:Now, there are not enough reviews of live wire on Rotten Tomatoes, so instead we turn to Letterboxd, where user Silent Dawn writes a 90s trash action procedural that's mainly and hilariously about infidelity, while the rest of it revolves around water that explodes after being ingested. Wacky stuff. And you know what? Silent Dawn is 100 % right. This movie, fucking rules. Take a listen to the trailer. These attacks against members of the Senate come just a week before the revote on the anti-arms bill. Now there's a matter of my$10 million. What are you talking about? There's absolutely no trace of any kind of explosive or fragments from a detonating device.
56:46Keep digging. People don't just explode.
56:50Jason Mantzoukas:Took a drink of water. Sweat. Shook. Move out, guys! Move out! Then, boom. That's it. No. I left out the park, but she swallowed a grenade. Now, Livewire is not currently streaming anywhere for free, but you can rent it in all the usual places. So I suggest that you do. I think you're going to be very happy with this choice. It is fun 90s trash. So that is all for The Last Looks. If you listen on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, please rate and review us. Make sure you are following us and have automatic downloads turned on. It helps the show, and we appreciate it. visit us on social media at hdtgm and a big thank you to our producers scott sani and molly reynolds our engineer casey holford and our social media manager zoe applebaum as well as our intern quinn jennings and of course we will forever be thankful for the one and the only averil halley we miss you averil we'll see you next week for live wire confidence it's listening to your gut it's moving forward even when the path ahead is unclear for nearly 160 years pacific life Pacific Life has helped people keep their promises, building confidence for generations.
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An FBI profiler, military detective, and physics teacher all chime in with A+ corrections & omissions on last week's Mindhunters episode! Plus, Jason and Paul recommend a bunch of stuff they're currently loving, from books and documentaries to a bonkers Taco Bell TV special. And as always, Paul announces the movie we'll be covering on next week's episode.
JASON & PAUL'S MOVIE/TV RECS:
Taco Bell's Live Más Live 2026
Paddy Chayefsky: Collector of Words
Breslin and Hamill: Deadline Artists
JASON & PAUL'S BOOK RECS:
Star Wars: Sanctuary (A Bad Batch Novel)
Strangers: A Memoir of Marriage by Belle Burden
JASON & PAUL'S COMIC BOOK RECS:
Batman by Matt Fraction & Jorge Jiménez
The Avengers in the Veracity Trap! by Chip Kidd
The Super Hero’s Journey by Patrick McDonnell
Batman: The Cult Deluxe Edition by Jim Starlin
The Furry Trap by Josh Simmons
Dream of the Bat by Josh Simmons
One Hand and The Six Fingers by Ram V
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