In short
Episode “Last Looks: The Manitou w/ Ashley Ray” is a How Did This Get Made? episode about the 1970s horror film The Manitou. The hosts do “corrections and omissions,” reading listener calls and Discord posts that challenge details in the movie. Key claims include: the “Tokyo baby in the chest” story is likely a mediastinal teratoma (a tumor that can grow body parts); 1970s hospitals really were often wall-to-wall carpeted and cleaning could smell horrendous; and the film’s long, unresolved hospital aspirin/water scene feels like padding before the third act. Notable examples from listener notes: the “Green Ribbon” story from Alvin Schwartz’s In a Dark, Dark Room (head falls off); seance “molds” (paraffin/wax) and a claimed “butt” face-mold hoax; and a logic question about why an evil medicine man wouldn’t break a salt circle using a possessed body.
Guests
Ashley Ray (comedian, TV critic; appears on Netflix’s Funny AF with Kevin Hart; runs Substack Deep Trouble) joins Jason for “Just Chat” TV recommendations.
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Chapters
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1:57 to 2:38
An introduction to today's topics including The Manitou and upcoming events.
“Hello to all my front yous and neck yous.”
Episode Overview
2:45 to 3:42
An introduction to today's topics including The Manitou and upcoming events.
“did it the way that you're supposed to do it.”
Live Show Announcements
3:42 to 4:56
Details about upcoming live shows and a fundraiser for breast cancer research.
“Now, if you're in Los Angeles, keep your eyes peeled on the Largo website because we're going to be announcing a few live shows at the end of July.”
Corrections and Omissions: Medical Insights
4:56 to 7:45
Listener calls discussing medical inaccuracies in The Manitou.
“your DVRs because DVRs, do we have DVRs still?”
Corrections and Omissions: Hospital Conditions
7:45 to 9:20
Listener shares insights on hospital conditions from the 70s.
“I've seen you guys in real life a couple of times, and it's always a good time.”
Corrections and Omissions: Movie Analysis
9:20 to 11:56
Discussion on pacing issues in The Manitou and listener observations.
“And you know what, Diane, you aren't the only one who verified the carpets in hospitals.”
Classic Episode Reminder
14:45 to 15:10
Discover the classic episodes being re-released every Tuesday.
“Before we continue with more corrections and omissions, I got to remind you, every Tuesday, we re-release an old episode.”
Merchandise Announcement
15:10 to 15:36
Learn about new merchandise and where to find it.
“You can get all of our how did this get made shirts.”
Listener Corrections and Insights
15:36 to 16:10
The hosts discuss listener comments and insights on 'The Manitou'.
“Uh, let's see what our discord has to say about the Manitou.”
Dissecting Seance Techniques
16:10 to 20:20
Exploring interesting facts and confusion about seance techniques in film.
“We're putting our hands in a big jug of water to wash them off.”
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Emergency Kit Prize Announcement
20:20 to 21:36
Details on the prize for the best listener submission and its contents.
“But I have to say that Android Lauren Hotel really just makes me want to Google some more because I want to find out how they did these wax hands and butts.”
Peak TV Discussion Begins
22:24 to 23:15
Jason and Ashley dive into discussions about current TV shows.
“and paul just getting into it all in the segment that we call just chat yeah all right everybody Here we go.”
In-Depth Review of Widow's Bay
23:15 to 26:58
Analyzing the new show Widow's Bay and its unique storytelling.
“And boy, have I missed getting to chat with you since you stopped doing the podcast.”
Characters and Humor in Horror
26:58 to 28:00
Exploring character depth and humor in horror narratives.
“It's more like, you know, they're going to use Patricia as like the last woman and like she's going to be the survivor.”
Character Dynamics in Horror Comedies
28:00 to 31:28
Explore how characters balance humor and horror in storytelling.
“And the characters can feel real stock and real archetypal.”
Performance Highlights in Widow's Bay
31:29 to 34:02
Discuss standout performances and character dynamics in Widow's Bay.
“I mean, I rolled my eyes when I was like, oh, they're doing an episode where he takes shrooms.”
The Appeal of New TV Shows
34:03 to 36:38
Analyze why new shows resonate with audiences and their emotional depth.
“No, I don't think anyone's using Bay Hive.”
The Appeal of New TV Shows
37:43 to 38:16
Analyze why new shows resonate with audiences and their emotional depth.
The Appeal of New TV Shows
38:21 to 38:34
Analyze why new shows resonate with audiences and their emotional depth.
“Eligible items are in stock and available for free local delivery.”
Exploring New Shows and Their Themes
38:35 to 42:01
Discuss current shows, their themes, and audience reactions.
“I did read the book it's based on, and I actually was not a fan of the book.”
Discussing the Realism of Teacher-Student Relationships
42:01 to 45:52
Exploring the dynamics of teacher-student relationships in media and its authenticity.
“It's actually based on where I went to college.”
The Importance of Joke Density in Sitcoms
45:53 to 47:19
Delving into the significance of joke density in sitcoms and recommendations for viewers.
“Where are you, Ashley Ray on Britbox as a streaming service?”
The Importance of Joke Density in Sitcoms
47:27 to 47:51
Delving into the significance of joke density in sitcoms and recommendations for viewers.
“and you can coast for eight months on free Philo accounts.”
Recommending Shows on BritBox
48:18 to 50:54
Recommendations for shows available on BritBox, including insights on their appeal.
“Oh, yes, I've been hearing good things about this.”
Exploring Dark Winds and Other AMC Shows
50:55 to 54:16
A discussion on the show Dark Winds and its placement within the AMC lineup and its lack of promotional support.
“this is very much that with David Mitchell at the middle of it, which is terrific.”
Adult Animation and Its Recent Trends
54:17 to 56:00
A conversation about the state of adult animation, highlighting new shows and personal favorites.
“And I'm like, no, no, it's not that at all.”
Discussion on Animated Shows
56:00 to 57:58
Exploration of adult animated shows and recent favorites.
“John Waters has a great little part in it.”
Reality TV Recommendations
57:58 to 59:52
Chat about various current reality shows and their appeal.
“I can't remember his name, but it's really good.”
Promoting Upcoming Projects
59:52 to 1:01:59
Ashley Ray shares her upcoming comedy show and Substack details.
“Kamail Nanjiani is on this season and is so fantastic and so funny, as is the rest of his cast.”
Promoting Upcoming Projects
1:05:40 to 1:07:13
Ashley Ray shares her upcoming comedy show and Substack details.
“And if you don't know, I have a podcast where I get to say whatever I want.”
Promoting Upcoming Projects
1:07:18 to 1:07:31
Ashley Ray shares her upcoming comedy show and Substack details.
“Eligible items are in stock and available for free local delivery.”
Transcript
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1:39Jason Mantzoukas:All this and more on today's How Did This Get Made? Last Looks. Hit the theme!
1:57What's the movie next week? Maybe share with Jason. Last looks.
2:06Jason Mantzoukas:Hello to all my front yous and neck yous. It's me, Paul Scheer, and welcome to How Did This Get Made? Last Looks, where you, the listener, get to voice your issues on The Manitou, a movie that Discord user Lizard Breath thinks should have had the tagline, The Manitou. A man can be a real pain in the neck. thank you lizard breath for that alt movie tagline and a big shout out to dan from rochester for that rocking opening theme i love these themes so much and if you want to submit a theme to the show you can it's very easy just go to hdtgm.com and click on submit a song that's it it's a little button right there and you can upload your song 15 to 20 seconds is best take it from dan from rochester he did it the way that you're supposed to do it.
2:52Jason Mantzoukas:Just follow what Dan did. We should all be like Dan. And if you want to continue to add to the show, you can give us an alt movie tagline. You can leave us a voicemail. We have so many ways for you to reach out and you can find a lot of them on our website or at our discord at discord.gg slash HDTGM. Now coming up on today's episode, we'll be hearing all of your corrections and omissions on the Manitou. Then I'm going to be sitting out of today's Just Chat, but Jason will be joined by comedian and TV critic Ashley Ray to run down their list of the best TV shows on. Right now, I love Ashley Ray, and Jason and her get into it, but good.
3:29Jason Mantzoukas:Plus, as always, at the end of the show, I will reveal the movie that we'll be covering on next week's episode. Now, just a heads up, June and I are both in RuPaul's brand new movie, Stop That Train, which comes out in theaters today. I am in it for just mere seconds. But the movie is fun. It's like airplane with drag queens. I think you will absolutely love it. Now, if you're in Los Angeles, keep your eyes peeled on the Largo website because we're going to be announcing a few live shows at the end of July. And if that's too long, then come on out and see Dinosaur 250, our 250th celebration of America on June 26th.
4:08Jason Mantzoukas:Jason and I will be there with a cast of amazing people doing improv like we always do. Get your tickets now because it's always sold out. We are also selling a t-shirt in honor of our movie picking producer, Averill Halley. As you know, this was her last official pick. We've been kind of doling them out here and there over the course of the last two years. And this shirt that we made is just, I love it so much. 100 % of the proceeds are donated to the Breast Cancer Research Foundation and April's Memory. I think we've already raised over$10 ,000. You can get a sticker, you can get a mug, you get a t-shirt, a sweatshirt, whatever you want.
4:47Jason Mantzoukas:It's a beautiful shirt. I just think it's a great way to give tribute to someone who gave us so much. Wow. So many things to talk about. Well, I hope you are going to be setting your DVRs because DVRs, do we have DVRs still? I hope you're going to be ready to tune into Elle, the brand new trailer for June show L just dropped. It's going to be on Amazon prime. It's so much fun. And if you are in New York city this weekend, come check out Jason and I, we are live and live streaming at the Dell close marathon. All right. That's all the plugs I got, but wait one more. If you haven't checked out the dark web yet, what are you waiting for the dark web free every Monday on YouTube?
5:26Jason Mantzoukas:And now people you had questions and I hope to give you answers. It is now time for corrections and omissions.
5:57Jason Mantzoukas:Thank you, Yaquez. Am I pronouncing that right? That was a great theme song. Let's start with some phone calls. By the way, if you are calling us now, it's so much easier because now we're using SpeakPipe. That's right. SpeakPipe.com slash HDTGM. I believe that that's right. Scott, tell me if I'm wrong. But it's so much easier. You could just call us whenever you want. There's no fees. There's no phone calls. We're trying to keep up with the times. Anyway, let's start with Linnell from Denver. Hey, gang. This is Linnell. I was calling because I was listening to your most recent episode, The Manitou, and you guys were talking about this supposed real case of somebody in Tokyo growing a baby in their chest.
6:42And I'm a pathologist, and so I thought I had some relevant knowledge to help clarify the situation. So what I bet this case actually was a teratoma. Teratomas are most often associated with the ovaries or the testes. These are tumors that will grow body parts. These are the freaky tumors that you hear about with teeth and hair and all of that kinds of stuff. But another place that teratomas can happen is in the mediastinum or the middle part of the chest. So you can get mediastinal teratomas. So if I had to guess, I would guess that this supposed real case in Tokyo was the case of a mediastinal teratoma and not some sort of real baby being grown in the middle of a kid's chest.
7:42Hopefully that helps clarify the situation. I love your podcast. I've been listening for years. I've seen you guys in real life a couple of times, and it's always a good time.
7:52Jason Mantzoukas:Okay. Linnell, you said a lot of words there that I heard and I am trying to understand, and I know that you are right. I'm just trying to wrap my head around it. But here's what I'm going to say to you. While you are 100 % correct, I'm going to say that this production did no research on that actually happening at all. I think that was something that was tacked on at the end. And when they said Japan, it felt so far away that no one would fact check them because there was no internet. But I do appreciate knowing how this all works. And thank you for making us a little bit smarter. Now let's go to Diane.
8:24Hey there. My name is Diane. I love you guys. Love your show. But I just finished listening to Manitou and I had to call my mom because she was a nurse in the 70s. and about the hospital, absolutely 100%, there were carpets all throughout hospitals in the early 70s. Maybe not shag, but like that indoor outdoor. And she said that in the patient rooms, hallways everywhere, it was all carpeted. And when they cleaned them, it would smell horrendous. Like she could not, you couldn't be around it when they were cleaning them, which is pretty nasty. And also another gross thing was the fact that in isolation rooms and stuff, so they didn't wear gloves, but there was an open pan with cleaner that you would just dip your hands in and everyone used, which seems, I don't know, gross.
9:14So yeah, you were right. Hospitals were horrendous in the 70s. Okay, bye.
9:19Jason Mantzoukas:What? This is absolutely bonkers. And you know what, Diane, you aren't the only one who verified the carpets in hospitals. That sounds so absolutely disgusting. Who came up with that idea? Who sold the wall-to-wall carpeting in hospitals? Oh, my God. We got a lot of calls confirming this. So gross, gross. And, you know, my mom worked in an ER, and I did know about that, like, hand dip. We were so gross. I mean, and that was so close. Like, when you look at, like, the timeline of, like, when that actually happened and where we are now, it's not that far away. Let me tell you, people, we might be going back.
10:00Jason Mantzoukas:let's talk to Zach from Michigan. Hey Paul and everybody I just got done listening to the Manitou this is Zach and I wanted to point out something that you guys also pointed out but I'd hoped you would talk about was the fact that everything took so long in the movie the thing that took the longest was the scene where Tony Curtis comes out in the hospital and he's having a bad day and he needs an aspirin or something and so the nurse says well here take one of these and then she gets him a water and then he says can I have another water I always need two waters with these and then he gets it he opens up the packet and puts it in in the glass but nothing happens it doesn't fizz it doesn't do whatever and then he says oh I wish there were instructions on these and he kind of pours the water back and forth and nothing happens he eventually says oh I guess this just isn't my day like his girlfriend has a monster crawling out of her back and this is the worst thing that happens but the thing that drove me the craziest was they spent seven minutes on this scene and they never come back to it.
10:58Jason Mantzoukas:I was sure that the monster would be killed by throwing Alka-Seltzer at it. Or maybe they would throw one glass of water, but then he needed another glass of water. I don't know. Maybe they would come back and when the room was frozen, you'd see the two frozen glasses and then that would tell you that's where you were. Anyway, I had a ton of fun watching the movie. Thanks so much. And I hope this drove you as crazy as it drove me. Oh, dude. Perfect point. Yes, this movie really is patient. What I'm thinking is they knew they had a great 45 minutes and they had to figure out how to get that other hour.
11:32Jason Mantzoukas:And I feel like the entire movie is just padding that hour to get to that awesome 45 because that third act is truly magical. And I want to see if our friend, you know, the director of Malignant actually was inspired by the Manitou. I feel like it's impossible not to be. Anyway, thank you, Zach, for that great observation. And maybe Alka-Seltzer did a little bit of product placement. Maybe that's what it is. Maybe they were ahead of the branding game way before anybody else. All right, we're going to take a quick break right now. We'll be back with some more corrections and omissions from our Discord.
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14:44Jason Mantzoukas:Hey, everybody. Before we continue with more corrections and omissions, I got to remind you, every Tuesday, we re-release an old episode. We take one out of the vault. This week's classic episode was The Quest with Jean-Claude Van Damme with our guest, John Gabrus. And next week, we will be revisiting the 2022 superhero flop, Morbius. That's right. Get your Morbon. So keep on checking out all of our replays of classic episodes every Tuesday. And by the way, we have been launching some new shirts. You go to the hdtgm.dashery.com. You can get all of our how did this get made shirts. And if you are a little bit even curious, like a little t-shirt curious, check out what we've been doing over in the unspooled.dashery store, because I have like a Terry Gilliam shirt there.
15:27Jason Mantzoukas:I have an Odyssey shirt. They're not unspooled shirts. They're just kind of like fun movie shirts. My favorite one, my letterbox top five is better than yours. All right. Uh, let's see what our discord has to say about the Manitou. Dr. Guts, 1003 writes, I think the fact that Karen and Tony Curtis are wearing robes before sex can be explained by the fact that they had just been outside in the pouring rain in the previous scene. So they probably just changed into something dry. But what I couldn't understand is why is Karen opening a bottle of wine the night before her operation? I mean, the fact that she woke up during the procedure probably has less to do with the Manitou and more because she had too much alcohol in her system for the anesthesia to work.
16:08Jason Mantzoukas:Well, Dr. Gutz, you are a doctor, so I'm going to take this as, you know, as science fact. Look, it was the 70s. We're putting our hands in a big jug of water to wash them off. I don't think that anyone was saying don't eat or drink before surgery and even don't go to the bone zone before surgery. I just feel like all of these choices were wrong. The Grayest Hound writes, The story that Paul vaguely remembered about a girl with a scarf that kept her head on was called The Green Ribbon. It was in a collection of scary stories for kids called In a Dark, Dark Room by Alvin Schwartz. It was a particular favorite of mine as a kid.
16:44Jason Mantzoukas:And I actually have cosplayed as Jenny, the girl with the ribbon. Oh, my God. This is so great. Now, Scott actually pulled the last page of this short story. It's pretty amazing. She says, Alfred, she said, now I can tell you about The Green Ribbon. Untie it and you will see why I could not tell you before. Slowly and carefully, Alfred untied the ribbon. And Jenny's head fell off. Boom. That's how you end a story. I love it. Thank you for bringing that into my life. I will make my kids read The Green Ribbon in a Dark, Dark Room. All right. And Android Lauren Hotel writes, Jessica was very close to the mark when she described the head during the seance as looking like it was almost a jello mold.
17:35Jason Mantzoukas:During seances in the height of spiritualism, the matter left behind by spirits was called a mold. They were usually made from paraffin, wax, or muslin. The head in the film would be something expected by mediums holding a circle, but then they must have freaked out because it's usually a fake technique to fool people. So they actually were making molds in seances? This is actually fascinating to me. And Scott chimes in more and says, And actually in the 1920s, the medium Frannick Kluski claimed that spirits would dip their materialized limbs into a bowl of hot paraffin wax, and the resulting wax molds of hands should be treated as scientific proof of the paranormal.
18:19Jason Mantzoukas:However, at one seance, the attendees asked him to produce a face mold. instead of the usual hand mold. And the wax mold he produced ended up resembling a human butt more than a face. The seance attendees accused him of using his own butt. And it was later confirmed that Franecht suffered burns on his butt for days afterwards. All right, well, how did he even create this thing that his butt, because was he doing it before or during? Was it like rigged to his butt? Oh, I love it. I love the paranormal. and I love like this kind of hoax-terism in it. I love this. I love it. I love it. I didn't even know this could be real.
19:00Jason Mantzoukas:Okay. So, Fun Facts 47 writes, if the evil medicine man's primary goal right after birth was to breach the salt circle trapping him, why didn't he use the orderly's dead body he possessed to simply break the circle for him? Well, fun facts. Then we wouldn't have a third act. Yes, I don't know. Well, maybe can he like possess a body like he could possess a body? Well, huh? Huh? You got a good point. I didn't realize that the salt circle, like if it just had a little break in it, like a like a Pac-Man board, he could get out through it. So you're you're saying that if they just swept up the salt, he's good to go.
19:43Huh.
19:44Jason Mantzoukas:Interesting. Somebody chime in here. Does the salt need to stay on the ground or is the salt like kind of like layering it down? Then the salt kind of gets in the ether and then we're like trapped in this other zone. I don't know. And again, uh, you know, I don't think that this movie, uh, did that much research. The reason why they had to keep them in that circle was because they didn't have a bigger budget to have them run around inside that hospital. All right. So many great corrections and omissions this week, but there can only be one winner. And, you know, Android Lauren Hotel really kind of opened my eyes to something I did not know before.
20:19Jason Mantzoukas:I'm also still grossed out by Diane's call about the rugs. But I have to say that Android Lauren Hotel really just makes me want to Google some more because I want to find out how they did these wax hands and butts. Well, not I think butts was a one time thing, but I love it all. So anyway, you are our winner. And for your prize, we have assembled the official Manitou new parent emergency kit. The kit has everything you'll ever need in case you ever give birth to an ancient demonic entity out of your neck. I'm talking about essential items like a maternity journal deck with a fabric bulge in the collar for your growing lump, a best-selling book, what to expect when you're expecting a 400-year-old gooey little devil man, a novelty baby onesie with the parody of straight out of Compton logo that's a straight out of your neck lump, and lastly, a tube of standard new mommy nipple balm, which I should note is not for breastfeeding damage but for the burns from the lasers that will shoot out of your nipples.
21:19Jason Mantzoukas:And so this is just a great thing to have just in case you have somebody coming out of your neck. So I got to tell you, Android Lauren Hotel, I hope you enjoy that and you never have to use it. But like Karen in the movie, you never know when you'll be in the wrong place at the wrong time. And to the rest of you listening who didn't win this amazing prize, you can try your luck next episode by submitting your corrections and omissions on our Discord or by leaving us a voicemail at speakpipe.com slash HDTGM. All right. It is that time of the show when Jason pops in. And normally I stay, but today I'm popping out because he is joined by comedian and TV critic Ashley Ray to discuss a ton of their favorite new TV shows.
22:01Jason Mantzoukas:Ashley is a true TV expert. You can watch her right now on Netflix's Funny AF with Kevin Hart. And she also has a great substack called Deep Trouble about the trouble with culture and media today. I am a subscriber. I love it. By the way, check me out on substack. I love being on there. I don't charge you. um without further ado it is now time for jason and ashley to take over seth chatfield play them is it this or could it be that a little swing of the can a little tip of the hat no it's jason and paul just getting into it all in the segment that we call just chat yeah all right everybody Here we go.
22:42It's Jason. And Paul wasn't able to be here. So I was like, I need somebody to come in and talk to me about the stuff that I'm watching that reminds me of the old TV. I say episodes that I used to do with Ashley Ray, comedian, podcaster. So I was like, call her up. Get her in here. Ladies and gentlemen, Ashley Ray, welcome to How Did This Get Made? Oh, thank you. It is. It's so good to be here. I have needed to talk TV. I need to. It is crazy. You are, you know, you had this show, TV, I say, for many years that I was a regular guest on for kind of year-end recommendation lists, going through the stuff we loved.
23:21And boy, have I missed getting to chat with you since you stopped doing the podcast. We've just spent like two hours talking about every single show. And it was the best. It was the best. And now, like, there's a peak TV moment happening right now. And I don't have anybody to talk to about it with. I'm so glad that this came up because this has been making me excited all week. I've been making a list. I'm excited to talk to you about the stuff I've been watching. I'm curious if we're watching the same stuff. Yeah, I'm ready. I'm ready. Let's go. What do you got? Let's jump in. I mean, the guest is please, please.
23:57There's so much. We just got a, I think, number one, right off the bat. New show of the season that was a sleeper hit, Widow's Bay on Apple TV. Let's talk about it. It's number one on my list, too. And I'm going to say this. I will say in full disclosure, Katie Dippold, creator of Widow's Bay, friend of the show, long term friend of Paul and I from UCB New York. We've known her for 20 plus years. So funny. Worked on Parks and Rec. So the best. I'm so delighted that I guess people are figuring out that she's also the person who is responsible for the viral Babadook meme. Yes. Meme. She is the person dressed as the Babadook in costume at a Halloween party that nobody else appears dressed up at.
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24:44Yes. Just also very funny, like Twitter legend. Yeah. And watching people watch Widow's Bay and go, I thought this was going to be scary, but it's actually so funny. Is anyone else getting a Parks and Rec vibe? And it's like, yes, that's what it is. That's what it is. good it's so good I really am like you know this is the strongest first season of a show I've seen in I don't even know how long this is not just because you mentioned at the beginning like show sleepers secret show of the year like I would say sleeper show of the last like five years I don't even shows that I was excited about have let me down this was a this I was excited about it because with my friend's show and I knew kind of what it was.
25:27But every episode just opens up into something so cool and so funny and so weird that I'm delighted. And I have my new favorite character in my lifetime now, Patricia. Incredible. Just incredible. I did not know what I was going to get from her in the beginning. The episode where she becomes obsessed with throwing the wine, the party. The episode that's basically just about that follows only her story was so. And that's like one of those examples of a thing, which is like, that's like, I can't remember it, maybe episode four or maybe five for them. So quickly, so adeptly start telling like single character episode stories while still managing to branch out this large cast of characters, this weird supernatural island.
26:20And all of, there's a lot going on, but they're still able to completely confidently execute like single character point of view episode. Incredible. And not just that, they'll be like, you know what, let's take it back to the 1500s. Yeah, watch this. Two episodes later, we're going back in time. And then we'll go back and we got Betty Gilpin. She's down to do something fun. And that again, one of my favorite episodes, also hilarious. And it pays off in just such a great way with Hamish Linklater coming. back is a really old guy not to give too much away oh no yeah just it's i don't think you can spoil this show yeah i don't think you can spoil it even though i feel like there's a ton of mysteries and secrets and there's a ton of stuff going on and stuff you can have that feeling of like talking to your friends about well do you think this is that or do you think they're this or but all that stuff great but like it's also not a mystery really it's not like i'm like so invested in the the J.J.
27:21Abrams mystery box type of thing. Yeah, like who was wearing that mask? It's like that doesn't really matter. It's more like, you know, they're going to use Patricia as like the last woman and like she's going to be the survivor. But it's like going to play out in a very funny, ridiculous way. Well, it's wonderful to have it be. Yes, I'm concerned and so invested in the mysteries and the secrets and revealing them and all of that. But all of that is only coming through our relationship with the characters. Yeah. And that's what comes first. And that's what I feel like a lot of the other kind of mystery forward shows seem to care more about the mystery or the whodunit or the whatever.
28:01And the characters can feel real stock and real archetypal. And this feels like everybody is an absolute weirdo. Everyone. So excited. And I'll say usually in shows like this, the teen cast, they don't pull their weight for me. I usually am rolling my eyes when I'm like some moody teenager who's finding out family secrets. I don't care. Like, I'm like, yeah, I get it. But there's monsters afoot. Like, you're secondary. But even in this, I'm like, oh, no. Like, his son is so good. So good. Finding out your mother was like actually alive and all this stuff. The way that they set up the wait, will he die if he leaves?
28:38Yes. It's just all so well done. Oh, and like the for a show to so incredibly smartly be able to hold two competing things at once, a a compelling horror narrative that nonetheless is still inexplicably hilarious. you know and the the laughs don't let the steam out of the the horror like the anxiety the pressure like there'll be scenes that are overtly funny and have jokes and are hilarious and then like the scene where the kids are parked outside of the you know the creepy house and then Ethan goes up to go into the house and then there's this moment where it switches from like charming funny teen ha ha ha cracking actual good jokes too truly tension filled oh my god and they are so good at drawing out the tension and the anxiety in a way that still they can then flip it on a dime and be you know Neil Casey can say something hilarious or Stephen Root can do something funny the idea that Stephen Root is able to do double duty here is incredible Which, yeah, and he practiced on Barry.
29:54Yeah, that's true. Just that energy is coming across so well here. And then Matthew Rhys. Unreal. My perfect boy in this. Wow. Like, I don't know if you're familiar with Courage the Cowardly Dog. I'm not. It's a Cartoon Network cartoon that was about a dog that was named Courage, but very cowardly, is always dealing with like monsters and zombies attacking his little home and he's terrified. and Matthew Rhys is doing a perfect, like a perfect caricature of that little dog. Every face he makes is just him being like, oh no, not another problem. And it's so good. The scene of him on the boat where he's just like looking down this old man and then the boat shifts and he flies out of his seat like he's Charlie Chaplin.
30:44I just, every choice he makes is perfect. It's an incredible performance because he has to be forwarding every bit of plot. You know what I mean? Both the serious weighty plot, he is the person who's making steps initially that then kind of lead to a lot of bad stuff. So he has like a very high stakes role in it, but he is still so, Charlie Chaplin is a great call, still so goofy and physically silly at times without feeling like a clown character, without it feeling like it's a Jim Carrey or like a clown performance. It feels very real and organic, but silly, which is, wow, what a magic trick to pull off.
31:31I mean, I rolled my eyes when I was like, oh, they're doing an episode where he takes shrooms. Yes. Ends up being one of my favorite episodes. Him going up to the car with the teenagers. Perfect. Just every, like, just so much physical comedy. Well, I mean, and what a great, OK, I'm so glad you brought up that episode, because I think that's an incredible episode of television, because we are now, especially in recent history, we are full of TV shows or movies, but TV shows that feature everybody doing a powerful drug. And then we watch their experience on the drug. And what I loved about this show is this show very confidently is like, we'll never let you into his interiority.
32:11We'll never let you see the trip through his eyes. We see it all from the people around him. He just is awakening and he's lost time. You know, we now see him, but we're always seeing him from the outside, which I loved. Yes, I loved. Just in seeing the growing frustration of Patricia, like getting the leash on him and just being like, stop it. Yeah, like we've told you, we've told you where Ethan is. Just so good. And then Chris Fleming. Oh, doing amazing, amazing guest role there. I just, again, people knowing what they're doing at every level. Everybody, it's like a who's who of incredible character actors, incredible.
32:54And then just also like the woman playing Patricia, like true discovery for me, at least. I am certain I've seen her in something, but I'm not. I can't pin it with her. And so and as a result, it feels like a true reveal or a true revelation. I'm like, I'm discovering a new like person. You know, they she feels so fully realized, I think, partially because I'm no I'm not bringing any baggage from anything else. You know? Yeah. You know, I did not expect her to really be a main character, especially since we have Jeff Hiller there. And I was so good. I was like, we're obviously going to get a whole episode around him.
33:32And then Patricia just comes out of nowhere. He stole my heart. Exceptional. He's another. He was, I think, on a Herald team with Katie Dippold for many years. Another old UCB New York mainstay. And then I thought was just incredible on somebody somewhere. And then. Deserved that Emmy. He won the Emmy, right? Yeah, that's right. Oh, yeah. Okay, right. He was underdog and he won. I love it. That was beautiful. I love it. Makes me so happy. Yeah. She's done such a great job populating this show with an incredible cast of characters and character actors, which is absolutely a blast. Okay, Scott's saying we should move on.
34:13We should move on. I could talk about Widow's Bay all day. Yes, this could be the Bay Hive. Is that being used? No, I don't think anyone's using Bay Hive. I think we could go with that. All right, we'll do that. Okay, so let's see. What else? I'll do another Apple TV one. Maximum pleasure guaranteed. Have you done this? I have not started. I love Tatiana Maslany. I'm a huge fan. I'm excited for this show, but I haven't started it yet. Please go. I think it is better to start with a few episodes out. They did the classic Apple TV debut with three episodes. Now I think there's five out. So it is a slow build.
34:46It's really good. It is everything she was doing in Orphan Black, but instead she's like an alcoholic mom with a dark, dark secret. I love it. Oh, I can't believe I'm forgetting his name from New Girl. Everybody's favorite guy. Oh, Jake. It's Jake Johnson. Yeah, Jake Johnson. He's in it. Amazing. Just ornery ex-husband. He's doing great. And then she gets pulled into this dark seedy underbelly of cam whores and stuff. And it's really funny, though. It is kind of like Widow's Bay where you think, oh, this is going to be a kind of dark drama, maybe like imperfect women or your friends and family.
35:26But then it goes into a really funny place where you're like watching a stalker like find her daughter to kill her. Then he gets the wrong person and it's funny and it's like, OK. Yeah. Well, I feel like a little bit of what we were saying about Matt Reese in Widows Bay is true for Tatiana as well, which is I think she can do anything. You know what I mean? Like, I think she can carry, you know, if you go to Perry Mason or you she can do heavy, very weighty stuff, very intense, emotionally available stuff, Orphan Black, incredible. But then she can turn and she Hulk be hilarious, hilarious, like truly hilarious.
36:06She's a she's a regular guest on Comedy Bang Bang. She's a she did improv in Canada like she is an absolute hilarious person. And in this, she gets to be funny and then also very, very sad and dark. But then she'll just like pull it around. And it's another show that I think people are going to start talking about more when it ends. I think people wanted a few episodes to come out because it is like one of those frustrating mystery shows where you're like, come on, I just like, where is this going? Hi, I'm Jenny Slate. And believe it or not, someone is allowing us to have a podcast. I'm Gabe Liebman.
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38:40you mentioned one of the things you mentioned in there which i led me to want to ask you this because i haven't watched any of it but you said i think you said in cam girls describing this have you watched margo has money troubles yet yes i have not my next one on the apple tv list oh great great i got i got yeah they're killing it over on by the way i love it yeah yeah like I'm sorry, HBO, but they've kind of come for you. And they're in the lead. I did like Margot's Got Money Troubles. It's funny. I did read the book it's based on, and I actually was not a fan of the book. And so I thought the TV show did a better job of highlighting this girl who's really young and naive.
39:23And, you know, like cam girling has become kind of a plot line in a lot of shows recently. And everyone's like, oh, wow, that's the new kind of obsession with Hollywood. but yeah, it's really secondary in the show. Like it's really about this girl coming to terms with her father being an addict and, you know, realizing she trusted a man. Yeah. That's all. Yeah. And he's so, so like to me, he carries the show. He's another guy, another person, an actor I think can do anything can be so serious and so a terrifying in something like devs and then can be, and then can really straddle the line in like death by lightning.
40:00Yeah. And here he's a scary, funny dad, grandpa figure who's an ex-wrestler. Wow. Yeah. Like, he plays it so, so well and has one of the most terrifying, like, near-death scenes that, like, it's just heartbreaking to watch. And he does it so well. So I think, I don't know, we might hear some Emmy stuff for him. It's a really different role for him. Great. Yeah. So I thought it was a good show. It's more emotional than funny. Yeah. Really. I think people kind of were like, I wanted more comedy. but it is a little, you know, it's kind of traditional. It's a little sincere. It's a little bit, it's not a broad comedy.
40:39While it might have light moments. I'm having with a lot of shows right now is this thing of, why isn't that girl getting an abortion? And it's a problem in a lot of shows right now where they never really address it. But in this one, they at least give her the excuse of she's very naive. And basically her parents are like, don't do this. And because they say, don't do it. She's like, fuck you. I'm going to show you I can do it. Yeah, sure. Just to be contrarian. Yeah, with Rooster, which I love Rooster, very funny. It's like, no, we need to sit down and talk about why this girl is having a kid with a guy that she clearly hates.
41:11Her friends clearly hate him. Why are we doing this? Oh, wow. Okay, so I'm not watching Rooster. So I did not know that was a plot line in it. Yeah. Oh, okay, got it. I'll put that on the list. It is HBO's biggest debuting comedy right now. I mean, Steve Carell. Which is wild. It is wild because it's not that interesting of a premise. And I watched the first episode and it felt to me, again, like another show that's not quite funny the way I'd like it to be. Yeah. You know, it felt just a little, it just felt a light, light, you know. Yeah, it is light. Yeah. And it's like the whole time, I mean, this, basically a guy has an affair with a grad student, gets her pregnant, decides to leave his wife, but then kind of goes back and forth.
41:57Steve Carell comes back and it's his daughter's school. She's a teacher there. It's actually based on where I went to college. So that part was kind of interesting. Wait, where did you go to school? Williams College. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, yeah. You went to Middlebury. Yeah, Middlebury. So, you know, people watching it were like, is this realistic? Do teachers really hang out with students like this? And I was like, yeah, no, that's what it's like out there. Oh, for sure, for sure. Like, yeah, your teacher would be like, want to come to my house and stay in my sauna? Oh, absolutely. we'll all and we're all going we're all going to jeff to jeff's you know jeff the professor's name we all call him jeff it's all first names and people so that i was like it does capture that but it could be funnier it's just kind of a light show that lets steve carell kind of be adorable and then you're like but wait why is this girl keeping this baby and then her and robbie hoffman amazing in it but then they're just like god he's an asshole right and it's like yeah he is so why are you doing this?
42:55That's a bummer. That's what I, and a little bit like, I'm so grateful for right now a show that I think isn't getting enough love simply because I feel like it is pound for pound, like so joke dense in a way that I'm desperate for is the Fallen Rise of Reggie Dinkins. Yes. Yes. This is, I think, pound for pound, like the funniest show actively happening right now The funniest sitcom for sure. That's what I mean. You know, the landscape of sitcoms is so kind of what we're saying about what I'm saying, at least about Rooster or a lot of other of these half hour comedies that are lauded. You know, they're either soft or kind of funny.
43:40Nobody wants this or not funny at all. The bear. And all of these are great shows. I'm not saying I'm not shading these shows. I think these are great shows, but they're just not necessarily what I'm looking for in a half hour comedy. And that is what Reggie Dinkins is giving me. As someone who wants that 30 Rock, Parks and Rec, 40 jokes a second, Reggie Dinkins. I've already rewatched the season because there are jokes I missed and knew I missed. It was like, I need to go back and enjoy it. Well, that's what I mean. It's so joke dense. The shit that's happening, one of the funniest jokes to me on it is evidence of this.
44:17because it's like they are all obsessed with watching a TV show called FDNY Chicago. Yeah, Chicago. So it's the New York fire department that is answering calls to fight fires in Chicago. In Chicago. And it's so softly threaded into the show. It's just on the TV in the background. Characters will every once in a while reference it. But I'm like, oh, this is what I love about shows like this is there are so many layers of jokes happening that, yeah, you can watch it multiple times and still get more out of it. And that episode had my favorite jokes about Chicago that's funnier than anything the bear's ever done when he's just like, I can't, my pizza's deeper than I'm used to.
45:00So good. So good. And it's one where I don't know if it's because Peacock isn't really promoting it or NBC, but I thought it would get more attention. I don't understand. Tina Fey's killing it right now. Yes. She has this, she has four seasons. she's still the queen of comedy. Oh yeah. And in that one, I mean, just to call it back, we mentioned Megan Thee Stallion earlier. Let's put her here as well. Reggie Dinkins. A hilarious couple of episodes that she appears in as a love interest for teeny tiny Daniel Radcliffe who is absolutely hilarious in this show, I think. So good in it. And I'm glad he's finally getting recognized.
45:38People didn't really know what he was doing in Miracle Workers which was so funny. And now, I also love that They took the, you know, the, the, I think people were getting tired of the mockumentary thing and they just have completely flipped it in such a great way. A great everybody. Oh, Bobby Moynihan's doing so funny. He's great. Everybody, everybody's great. Where are you, Ashley Ray on Britbox as a streaming service? I like Britbox. Okay. It is one that I altered in and out. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I'll do it for the summers and get my Brit box in, and then I switch to Philo. Oh, so you do it seasonally, not based on, oh, there's something I want to watch on it.
46:24Yeah, no. If there's something really good, I might change the lineup. But usually right now, I'm watching Love After Lockup, and this is Polly on Philo.
46:37It's that season. So I gotta have my Philo for my WeTV right now. I don't even know what Philo is. You keep saying it and I'm like... Yeah, I'm just saying it's like a thing everyone should know. What is Philo? It's like for every TV network that you might remember from cable, like WeTV or how there was a channel that would just stream courtrooms. All of those networks still exist, but no one can watch them because they don't have cable. I see. And Philo went... Philo's actually a former sponsor of the show. They've sponsored your show. They sponsored this show? They basically went, let's capture all of those channels.
47:17Of course, Philo. Philo, that we all know and love. And of course, use the promo code BONKERS for 10 % off your subscription to Philo. Also, I'll say, they don't check if you use different emails, and you can coast for eight months on free Philo accounts. I love that. Which is what I do. I'm sure they're going to be thrilled we're letting that hack out. You can watch like, it has like Hallmark shows, WeTV. Oh, got it. Yeah, like basically if you still want to watch a BET reality show, you have to have Philo. Like they don't have any of the real channels, but they do have Live After Lockup. Yeah, I don't need Philo because, of course, as a Gen Xer, I still have DirecTV.
48:00Yeah, exactly. I still have a DVR in my home. Yeah, my friends who are like, what do you mean you can't watch like the Summer House reunion live? And I'm like, I don't have cable. Like I watch it on Peacock the next day and they're like, that sounds like hell. And it is, honestly. Well, when you next have BritBox, may I please recommend The Other Bennett Sister? Oh, yes, I've been hearing good things about this. Absolutely dynamite. It is so good and so fun and funny. And a like it's an interesting show because it is a it's I guess it's based on a book. I don't know the book. And it's basically about, you know, the the family that is sense and sensibility and persuasion and all those stories.
48:42Yeah. Except the focus is on Mary Bennett, who is the sister who doesn't get married and the sister who has, you know, you're following her on her solo adventure in life. And it is it's half hour episodes, even though it is like a period very much is a light period drama. I would say it's not a it's not a Dickinson or the great. It's not like a contemporary music. And it's not a Bridgerton like it's not a it doesn't have a lens. It's not just for the sex and the fun. Not at all. It feels like you're watching a very good version of one of those Emmas or Sense and Sensibility. Ooh, okay. Except that it's just a little lighter and the episodes are like 30 minutes or 35 minutes or something.
49:30So, boy, it goes down smooth. And it is, I don't know if it's just the mood I'm in or the place the world is in, but it is delightful to spend time with Mary Bennett and watch her work her way through the world because it just kind of, it just is such, if you know those stories, it's wonderful because you're watching like a Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are dead for the stories you know so well. So, you know, in the background, there's Mr. Darcy in the background over there, but he's not, he hasn't, he's barely spoken in this show completely, which is hilarious. Oh, I love this. Oh yeah, it's a blast.
50:08I would love this. Okay, I'm putting that on my BritBox list. I also am looking forward to Outrageous. I don't know that. That's the one my friends were like, you got to get BritBox for Outrageous. Oh, good. Oh, I'll find that. They told me it's about Six Sisters. I love a big family show. That's the one they're like, oh, it's great, Six Sisters. So I have been kind of, I have that on my BritBox list. But I got to wait for Love After Lockup to finish its main season. Yeah, okay, I get it. When you do get BritBox too, I will recommend, this is not a recent show. This is from a couple of years ago.
50:42The David Mitchell show Ludwig, which I thought was terrific. Oh, yes. I've heard good things about that one. Great. In that way, in the kind of kooky character solves real mysteries, a la Elsbeth or High Potential or those kind of stories, this is very much that with David Mitchell at the middle of it, which is terrific. Okay, then I'm in on that. We're running out of time, I know that. But what else? Do you have anything more you want to passionately talk about? Yeah, I mean, we haven't even got to HBO Max. I don't need to say anything more about Hacks, but wow, they nailed that landing. Beautiful, beautiful.
51:19Half-Man, what a scary show. I haven't watched it. Oh my goodness. Oh my God. What a scary, hard to watch. Terrifying show. Richard Gad, are you okay? Get some help. I saw the one-man show version of Baby Reindeer in London, and it was so unsettling. It stayed with me for like, I don't know, three months afterwards. I thought about it constantly. Like Baby Reindeer is like a comedy compared to Half-Man. Wow. Oh, wow. Half-Man is just, my friends would like come over when I was watching. They'd be like, is this just the one with like angry men yelling? And it's like, yeah, it's just like just sad, angry men.
52:01There's never a moment of happiness. The whole time you're like, could just something be okay for once for any character in this show? But Richard Gad is terrifying in it, does a wonderful job. It's just so, so dark, but I did like it. It's one of those shows that sticks with you and the ending is so horrifying that you're like, well, I'll have a few nightmares. That's great. Okay, a show that does give me nightmares just because it's so scary and unsettling while also being, I think, captivating and fantastic as a procedural thriller kind of detective show is Dark Winds. Do you watch Dark Winds on AMC at all?
52:40I do. I'm obsessed. I think this is the best show. If you get Philo, you get AMC with it for free. That's how I watch all the AMC shows. Hold on. Do you get MGM? Actually, I think you do. Okay, because if you get MGM, then that helps me get my beloved SAS Rogue Heroes, which is because that's what I do. I subscribe to services when I know something. Like, when SAS Rogue Heroes has a new season, I subscribe to MGM. Yeah, like Interview with the Vampires coming back. So that's another reason I have Philo because you get AMC with that. Yeah, exactly. So I'm subscribing to shit because there's something on there.
53:16I subscribed to something called MHZ for a while just because there was some detective show from Norway I wanted to watch. And then I forgot I had it. I do that a lot, yeah. But Dark Winds, I think, is kind of an incredible show that I feel like at a time when people were watching shows week to week regularly in a way that like Mad Men or Breaking Bad, I'm just using other AMC shows as an example. I feel like Dark Winds would be an enormous hit. I feel like it is getting lost in the shuffle that AMC is not a real place. It's not a real channel. It's not a real. It's neither a channel nor a streaming service.
54:00It's a nothing. And it's hard to find. Exactly. And as a result, the show doesn't get the press or the promotion or the push that it needs to break through. Yeah, and people confuse it with one of those Paramount shows. I've heard people be like, oh, isn't that one of the - Taylor Sheridan shows? Yeah, Taylor Sheridan shows. And I'm like, no, no, it's not that at all. It's not at all. It is a detective story, or it's a police procedural that's set on a Native American reservation in the 70s that's based on Tony Hillerman books. Robert Redford and George R.R. Martin produce it. Zahn McLarnon is the lead and is unbelievable.
54:39in this role. It is lightly supernatural in ways that are so compelling and so interesting, but that's not what it is. It's not a supernatural mystery show. Yeah, you're not like waiting for the stranger things reveal of like, oh, how does this magic work? Not at all. They are tackling regular, like a case per season that they are investigating. And then there are light flavors of supernatural stuff that are going on that are really wonderful. It's kind of what I wanted from that last season of True Detective. Yes. That we got with Jodie Foster. It's like if that had nailed it, it's Dark Winds.
55:19I agree. It's so good. I agree, yeah. And I think True Detective is a great comp for Dark Winds because I think it shares a lot of similar DNA. I do think Dark Winds is just better at it. Possibly because it's based on books that are good. And so they have a bedrock to build off of. Anyway. They didn't have to be in the shadow of True Detective, one of the greatest shows ever. Anything else? I will say, for adult animated shows, I have enjoyed Kevin. Oh, yeah. On Amazon Prime Video. A hundred percent. Aubrey Plaza. Yep. Joe Wingert's show. Yeah, yeah. Incredible. So many UCB and, you know, LA comedy friends in that one.
55:59Like, a fantastic show. Wasn't expecting much. And then Whoopi Goldberg's in it. She's great. It really surprised me. John Waters has a great little part in it. So funny. So, you know, I like to give a shout out to the adult animated shows. Oh, yeah. No, I feel like both you and I are very committed as adults to furthering animation to other adults. Yeah. You know, because I do. I feel like, but I will say we've also lost a bunch of good adult animated shows. Yeah. Although Rick and Morty has just started its new season. But I, frankly, I am not caught up. So I can't. I'm not excited. It's on my list.
56:36but I was like, I didn't get to it. Yeah, I'm like, you know, I'm caught up. I have a Rick and Morty tattoo. I'm gonna watch, but I'm not excited. I am sad that we lost Smiling Friends. And that last little episode they did was so good. Have you watched this show that has now been recommended to me a few times, but I haven't started it called, I think, Digital Circus? Have you heard of this? I don't think I have. It might be, that might not be the whole title. There might be more words to it. Anyway, it's been, It occurred to me that you might know it because a bunch of a bunch of cool people told me about it.
57:11Yeah. It's like a YouTube thing. And everyone's like, oh, it's more popular than like Harry Potter. Correct. I think it's now the amazing digital circus. Thank you, Scott. Yeah. Yeah. It's like a big thing. It's now on, I think, maybe Netflix or it's on it's now on a streaming service. It started on YouTube and apparently it's amazing. So I but I didn't know if you knew it. It's been it's just organically come up like three times in the last week. so I'm like oh this show's clearly having a moment just this morning someone was asking me about it actually yeah and I was like I I don't know I don't watch YouTube TV amazing I'm old oh so old um all right do you have any last minute recs I'll just before we get out of here I know you've got look at your you look genuinely panicked I genuinely like there's so much we didn't even get to peacock run it down go uh um slip was really good uh with with Zoe Lister Jones It's about a woman and every time she has sex and orgasms, she's pushed into a different life where whoever she had sex with becomes her new partner.
58:11Oh, that's cool. It's a really cool, funny premise. It's great. Oh, that comic I also like is in it. I can't remember his name, but it's really good. And then obviously Love Island is happening right now. Oh, yeah. And it's great. I mean, I've been totally bravo-fied in my head. They got me into all the Real Housewives. Summer House. I can't stop. Real Housewives of Rhode Island is really good. What? What? Ashley. Yeah, they got me. They got me Beyond Below Deck. Oh, you're - They finally - You're cooked. It's over. I'm cooked. I'm all in. I hate that I know who Kyle is from Summer House. I have opinions about Southern Hospitality, which is better - I don't know who any of these people are.
58:48... than the Vanderpump Rules reboot. Yeah. But - Wow. Yeah, that's the thing is I'm fully - Whenever stuff like that happens, like the Summer House scandal or the - Yes. The scandal from a couple years ago with - Scandaval. Thank you, yes. Of course. I'm aware of it because it bubbles through to general pop culture, but I'm not like I've never heard of Summer House until it's this scandal hit. It's basically about some people and every summer they go to the and live in a house and then they all date each other. But sometimes it's a problem when they so. Yeah. But oh, my God, I love Andy Cohen.
59:25Now it's a problem. Oh, no. Oh, yeah. It's very dangerous. Honestly, just stay away from Bravo. Just don't watch it. Just stick with Traitors, which the last season was amazing. I really don't watch any of that stuff. The only show that I will promote that I will talk about because I was on a previous season is currently Taskmaster season 21, which is not at all the kind of reality show you're talking about. But nonetheless, an unscripted show. Every episode is on YouTube. Kamail Nanjiani is on this season and is so fantastic and so funny, as is the rest of his cast. Oh, my gosh. Deli Boys. Deli Boys.
1:00:07He's in a new season and he's so, so good in it. Oh, that's awesome. Oh, I didn't know he was in the new season. Oh, fantastic. Oh, yeah. Him and Fred Armisen are like the foils of the new season. It's really funny. I love Deli Boys. First season of Deli Boys. Gotta give that a shout out. Fantastic. I feel like that's another one of those shows that I'm so glad made it to another season. Uh, fantastic. It's joke heavy. This second season. Like they really find themselves. It's, it's so good. I'm, I'm a big fan of that show and the whole cast is great. Awesome. The one guy is so hot in it and they really play into that this season.
1:00:38Oh, good. Okay. Great. Yeah. Outstanding. Um, well, this has been amazing. We should wrap it up. Ashley Ray, here you are. You, you've put a TV. I say to bed. Uh, Do you have anything coming up that you would like to promote? Yeah, you can follow my sub stack. Deep Trouble. I still give TV recs over there and I'm starting a new project with that where I'll still be talking about TV, other things. So follow my sub stack. You'll get all the updates. Oh, and if you live in L.A., I host a weekly comedy show now. It's free. It's in Silver Lake. It's at Casa Chita, a really good Mexican restaurant. Yeah, we get really great people.
1:01:15I think Joel Kim Booster, Rachel Pegram will be on the show after this is airing. Incredible. So check out your social media to find out when and where next shows are coming. At the Ashley Ray. At the Ashley Ray. And then at some point soon, there will be an announcement about something new to come. I love it. Yes. And let's just hope if it's something new to come where you're talking about TV in a podcast format, that if you don't have me there, I will sue you. Yeah, you should. You absolutely should. But you're going to be there. Come on. Awesome. So many things we didn't talk about. Oh, so much.
1:01:47My list is genuinely has like 15 more things. Yeah. They're like, we didn't even get to like half of it. And half of the stuff we talked about, I could have talked about for so much longer. Yeah. We're going to have to do a part two on this. Oh, I loved it. Thank you so much, Ashley. This was a blast. Thank you. This was great.
1:02:03Jason Mantzoukas:Yeah. Okay. I'm back. They were great, weren't they? Okay. Thank you, Ashley, for joining us. But now it is finally time to announce our next movie. Believe it or not, this next movie will be our 400th episode. Feels like we are much slower than the average podcast. But if you count these last looks, we're about 400 there as well. So we've got 800. Still seems way behind most people. Anyway, we wanted to do something special for our 400th. So let's choose something worthy of such a special occasion. Next week, we'll be going from the Manitou's hospital freeze to a magical flying trapeze. Oh yeah, you have no idea what's in store for you.
1:02:45Jason Mantzoukas:This is so good. We will be watching the 2006 family dramedy Circus Island, starring Audrey Landers, Judy Landers, and Ed Marinaro. Here is IMDb's breakdown of the plot. In this lighthearted family adventure, 15-year-old Gabrielle runs away from home to find her deadbeat dad, who is a flying trapeze flyer living on a tropical island. Together, they turn the island into a circus camp for teens. It is a family circus in more ways than one. Dangers, tears, love, and laughter. It all happens under the big top. Now, there are no reviews for Circus Island on Rotten Tomatoes, so instead, we turn to Letterboxd.
1:03:22Jason Mantzoukas:There's a user there called Ahep who writes, We're dancing on the edge of genius and crazy with this one. a family trapeze movie about the haunted pirate circus island that has crippling debt and generational heritage with Targaryen family dynamics and a summer camp, a true unicorn and completely baffling. I got to tell you, one of my favorite movies that we have done in a very, very long time. Make sure you watch The Lander Sisters, The Lander's Family and Circus Island. It goes by a few different names, but let's take a listen to the trailer. Lena and Jenny are sisters, but their family is a little different.
1:03:58A long time ago, before we were born, dad was married to mom's sister. You emptied our bank account for some useless wasteland? That island's been in my family for generations. It's magical. We are going to turn this island into a circus camp for kids. Teens become stars.
1:04:16Jason Mantzoukas:They overcome their greatest fears. One family, one dream. But the dream becomes a nightmare. You can watch Circus Island for free on YouTube. You can also watch it on Tubi and Hoopla. It is well worth your time. I don't say that often. And Jason and June agree because we already recorded this episode. So get to watching. Anyway, that is it for Last Looks. If you listen to us on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, please rate and review us. It helps us, okay? It helps us keep this show completely free and get us more of that ad money. So anyway, make sure that you are following us if you are on Apple Podcasts.
1:05:01Jason Mantzoukas:It helps the show and we appreciate it. And you can also make sure that you are following us on social media. We've been updating our social media and I think you'll like what we have there. A big thank you to our producers, Scott Sani and Molly Reynolds, our engineer, Casey Holford, our social media manager, Zoe Applebaum. And of course, we will forever be grateful to the one and only Averill Halley. Make sure you get her shirt over at hdtgm.dashery.com. We will see you next week for episode 400 of How Did This Get Made as we take an unforgettable boat ride to Circus Island. And don't worry, just stay happy.
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From the publisher
Jason chats with comedian and TV critic Ashley Ray about the shows they're currently loving—from a slate of Apple TV hits to obscure reality shows and a whole lot more. But first, Paul responds to all your corrections & omissions on last week's episode on The Manitou, including a disgusting revelation about hospital carpeting and a history lesson on psychics dipping their butts in hot wax. And as always, at the end of the episode Paul announces next week's new movie!
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