Lawnmower Man 2: Beyond Cyberspace (Classic)

25:03Jason Mantzoukas:So there seems to be a lot of issues here. But I guess going back to where you both thought I was depressed, I'm having a real hard time understanding what this movie is about and what they are trying to achieve in the basis, in the base level. Like, what's the one liner about this movie? Like, what is? Also, like, clearly, Job, the character now played by Matt Frewer, is simultaneously for the, what I think is he is both a protagonist in this movie and unequivocally the antagonist of this movie, right? So he is like, if cyberspace dies, then I die. So he contacts his young friend through cyberspace to be like, you have to save me.

25:58if cyberspace is dying and if it dies i'll die you have to come save me and by the way we the

26:05Jason Mantzoukas:world that we small more man one takes place in a world that we know that is very familiar to us nothing is unique about it oh like in the you know yeah yeah it's like it's like a stephen king small new england town it's like exactly is somebody's mowing the lawn people are doing and this and that. It's a very, it's not a dystopia at all. And 10 years pass and we are automatically in the world of Super Mario Brothers or Double Dragon where it is trash can fire city. And we are also in a major metropolitan city. The kid that we were introduced to in the first movie who had a relationship with the lawnmower man who becomes the protagonist here is older, but the world has like darkened.

26:51Jason Mantzoukas:And yet cyberspace didn't take over. The world has fallen apart in a way that previous to the last two years, I wouldn't have thought could happen so fast. And now I'm like, oh, yeah, no, I think they were right. It's very likely we could be living in Lawnmower Man 2 next year. I know. That's why I was unsettled by it. Yeah, I mean, I could very easily see living in abandoned subway cars in the very near future. But by the way, these like the like, again, only a few years have passed. This kid was living in a nice suburban town and now he is working out of a subway car with a bunch of, you know, again, very much like that Alyssa Milano movie, Double Dragon, where they're just they're kind of under the sewers.

27:38Jason Mantzoukas:Just here's what I'll say. I kind of loved the young punks in love story. I kind of loved him and his girlfriend and their band of, you know, cyberpunk friends, like getting up to hijinks in this dystopia. You know, like I didn't mind that. There were so many of them. I couldn't keep tabs on them. I did. I did have one note, which is love that dog. So this dog. Whoa. the dog oh you mean the dog the dog that knows how to use a computer yeah the dog who doesn't jason the dog doesn't know how to use a computer well yes he does yes it does more yes i was gonna say i was gonna say not only does he know how to use a computer he literally can manipulate a like a floppy disk or like a cd like a mini disk yeah yeah and insert it into the computer Like when he, when that dog, when that dog ball put a, listen to me, the dog is better with computers.

28:39That was the most realistic part of the movie. The dog is better with computers than my father. It is crazy. The dog can execute complex communicate, complex computer functions better than my dad. It's like the dog literally is, when they're trapped in cyberspace, so much like, again, much like Ready Player One, the kids all live in, the kids are all like orphans. They live in a subway car. And so the only thing that gives them pleasure, the only escape they have is they steal access codes to get into quote unquote cyberspace. And when they get into cyberspace, they can fly. they can ride bikes they can go to the jungle they can experience a life that isn't the the

29:30Jason Mantzoukas:destroyed life you're living in but i need to talk about a couple things here because there's a couple things all right first the way they communicate to that dog is the kid literally looks down the barrel of the camera and is like okay baxter hit the thing do the dog that was your old dog paul i know but i was just using it as an example i don't remember the dog well you Meatball, meatball, put the, put the disc in. And I'm like, where, who is he addressing? Like, if you're in a virtual reality world, like you just don't turn to, it looks like he turned to the camera. And I guess the thing that I love about this movie, because this movie isn't that old, right?

30:10Jason Mantzoukas:It's not like, this movie came out in 1996. Okay. And they're still in this like disclosure world where like the biggest idea of cyberspace is you either standing in a room full of giant files, like, you know, it's like, oh, this is like, I'm literally in my desktop. But when these kids go into cyberspace, as someone who has been in cyberspace, yes, I have an Oculus Quest. Yes, I have VR. I've also been in cyberspace. You've been, like, you, this idea that you have. I've never been in cyberspace. Oh, Jason, once, you know, we return to the real world, I want you to get out of it and into cyberspace at our home.

30:46Jason Mantzoukas:I want to, you will love the Star Wars game. There's a great Star Wars game that you will go bananas for. I've never put on a VR headset in my life. You know what? As somebody who was really resistant to it, and I will advise, like, do not, it's tough to watch your loved ones in cyberspace. It's like sort of like watching someone. It looks like very masturbatory and weird. Wait, you mean like just somebody doing stuff in... Yeah, you're just walking around the house. Being in cyberspace, like, it should be a private experience, I think. I agree. I've done it plenty of times privately, and it's way better.

31:21Yeah, but... That sounds creepy. Although you have to be careful because my sister, we put the goggles on my sister and she did a game called like Bar Fight and she almost knocked herself out, destroyed our TV. Like you... She almost punched through our television. She does though have untapped anger reserves. so that's very true it might have just unlocked something um it's really amazing there are there

31:55Jason Mantzoukas:are like boundaries and you have to pay attention to them like like as a like you still have to have that disconnect in your life to be like right like when it shows me i'm in a warning zone i have to adjust to that but i think you're somebody who's like very which i think my sister is and i am too like very susceptible to hypnosis, et cetera, then it could be very physically dangerous. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get that. The version of cyberspace we get in this movie, though, is part of what used to be part of how we represented the idea of cyberspace back in the 90s, which was it's literally as if you go inside the computer.

32:37So they're like in tunnels. They're flying through tunnels. But you realize those tunnels are fiber optic cables or those tunnels are circuit boards. And then it's like they fly into physically inside a computer. And that's that's just not at all what's happening.

32:57Jason Mantzoukas:It's like they're flying through like the Bill and Ted's like time circuits. Yes. Why hasn't because I, you know, I am curious during this pandemic. Like, I know you're on Twitch. I know you're doing all sorts of different platforms and things. but why haven't you done anything in cyberspace? Like what's going on? I've done a show in cyberspace. But not during the pandemic. Because my big VR system is, I feel like VR hasn't really cracked it. Like Altspace tried to do some stuff in there that was good. Reggie Watts actually was very much at the forefront of doing comedy shows there. But it's a little, like if you're going to do stand-up.

33:35Jason Mantzoukas:There's no way we could do a live how did this get made in cyberspace? with like avatars with like avatars of ourselves and everybody could be but here would be my question my suspicion is not enough people have headsets oh yeah i guess that's pretty limiting well that well it's still prohibitively expensive well not oculus quest like oculus quest you can get for 200 bucks and it's one piece you don't have to hook up to a big computer it lacks some of the larger elements that make a fuller vr experience really crazy but it's i think it's equally as good i mean i would if it makes sense i would 100 do a vr i mean this would have been a great show to do oh my god we should we should have saved it we that maybe this is the reason why we weren't able to record it the first time because job was trying to give us a message from the world of cyberspace stop us from recording because he's a he's a yeah he's a real i want to I have to be very clear about something.

34:31Even if I'm in cyberspace, I don't want any of your avatars to try and touch my avatar. Wait, why are you saying we need to be avatars? Because wouldn't we have to choose how we are physically represented in cyberspace?

34:47Jason Mantzoukas:Yeah, yeah. It would be a version of us, our avatar. June, you would look, like my avatar looked like me, but if you, June, wanted, you could have wings and a tail if you wanted. You wouldn't, it wouldn't be a photo representation of us it would be yeah it was a some sort of an animated character i did a house party show and everyone's hanging out at the house party i was kind of playing around and doing bits with people in the audience but there is a little bit of a it's a little bit of a lag but i never at any point when i put in my stuff i never jacked in and and flew through wires don't say jacked in you know i never jacked in oh and especially the way you're leaning into jacked but i mean here's the thing they said jacked in so many times in this i was like oh no thank you i mean they had to know that jacked in meant something back then but when they meet when they meet lawnmower man uh and these kids have been i mean again this is where i'm unclear on what like why is cyberspace going away like like like because it does have the movie does at a certain point and june i know you haven't seen it hits a very big similarity with wonder woman 84 at the end where matt frewer is like everybody come in i'll give you to you all and and there seems to be this disconnect of like they're just in cyberspace but yet if you knock off the glasses they're back to normal but yet they act as if they're trapped in this world they're they're not they're not like what is the yeah what is the what is the actual threat what is the what is the no picture threat that um joe presents to the larger world not he can access all computers is that it okay but wasn't he building a real city wasn't he making a virtual city into a real city and that was a part of it because they showed you that like that glass city and like this virtual world is going to become real and then it was like all these castles and pillars And it's like, okay, so what is that?

36:47Jason Mantzoukas:And then he brings all these people into a virtual world. And then the other kind of ready player one, Paul, isn't that kind of ready player one where people would rather live? People would rather live in this utopia, this cyber utopia where they're go on adventures and they can race cars. they can do all this stuff rather than lead their miserable poverty stricken lives of the dystopia that is now you know the world we live in i'm reading the wikipedia page i only saw ready player one once and i didn't enjoy it and i didn't read the book so i'm just going i read the book the book is great i did not enjoy the movie um it like all right so this is what okay this is what i guess the plot is because i know people who are listening are probably furious that we're not understanding it.

37:34Jason Mantzoukas:It says the founder of virtual reality, Dr. Benjamin trace, who's the guy that you think looks like a Tommy was though. Oh my God. He has lost a battle. Can we, can we just very briefly describe him for a second? When we meet him, he is in full cultural approach, appropriation mode where he is wearing native American. Jewelry and items. He's appropriated all sorts of shamanistic looks from different traditions. And he looks like he's also trying to do Indiana Jones. And he and he he looks like the star of a Cinemax like skin flick. Like he's got that kind of build that the hair is just like long enough to moon junction or something like that.

38:24Jason Mantzoukas:Like he looks like he could have been with Sherilyn Fenn. Oh, man. I remember taping that on VHS. But the idea of this, he looks like he could have been a little too sweaty. It looks like the cover. If in the right light, you put him on the cover of a romance novel, and he's ready to go. He's ready to hammer it home. That's what I think. He's ready to jack in. Hammer it home? So he lost the passion. He's, oh, man. When this pandemic is over, man, I'm going to be ready to hammer it home. like he's like so this by the way this movie revolves around a character that we never met who is like the key uh anyway so he loses okay see i thought he was the pierce brosnan character from the first movie okay no i forgot that pierce brosnan was in the first movie i thought this guy was in the first movie as that part no i was all sorts of fucked up yeah i mean i also thought at one point that maybe he was joe but even though i knew that joe was not him i was like i'm just giving it like the benefit of the doubt that maybe this is joke because he looks like joke.

39:28Jason Mantzoukas:So it says he lost a patent on this chip and it's the most powerful chip, the Chiron chip, which is touted as the one operating system to control all others. So it'd basically be like, if you had like a Mac, this chip could control that and it could also control Windows, I guess. In the wrong hands, the Chiron chip has the potential to dominate society depending or making society dependent on computers. And then a virtual reality entrepreneur is trying to take over the Chiron chip. And then they realize that Job is trying to also kick them out of it. So I guess that's the battle here is everyone is trying to get this powerful Chiron chip.

40:12Jason Mantzoukas:And the Chiron chip is explained like this. I mean, what's with this Egypt thing, Doc? I mean, doesn't he need that from you? If Job's worried about Egypt, It means he's about to use that chip to its full, hideous potential. Which is? Enter every and any system in the world and take over through the ore. So is there any way to stop him? Or should we just start digging up our own graves? We've got to get the Chiron chip from him before he figures out Egypt. That's what we've got to do. So is the Egypt thing, is that the Chiron chip? Yes, the Chiron chip that they use an ice cube to steal. The Chiron chip is the triangular chip that allows for this whole thing to be possible.

40:54Egypt is a like a firewall inside of the chip. Oh, that is kind of protecting. That is basically protecting Job from fully taking over. And they refer to it as a I think a dam. Like like it's somehow. Yes, it's somehow the it's the only thing. that Matt Frewer cannot access. Oh, how about the fact that when they go and they find the Indiana Jones cyber Dr. Trace, when they find Dr. Trace, he's like the guy that invented cyberspace. They can't believe it. And they tell him all this crazy stuff that's happened. And he's like, now get out of here. He then pulls out a box of computer equipment, puts it up, puts it together, turns a computer on, and then with a few keystrokes is able to call up video footage of a scene earlier in the movie that occurred between Job and the kid inside of cyberspace.

42:04So there's so little inside cyberspace, he's able to be like, oh, let me just watch whatever conversation they just had. And he does.

42:13Jason Mantzoukas:But by the way, they also go like, we need to track him. and the way that they kind of track his tag was one of the most like bizarre, bizarre things because he's like, all right, we'll go back through these firewalls and they're like looking at different insignias and turning, like when they find out that it is Job, but like they know it's Job because Job revealed himself to them. The kid thinks Job is a good guy. And so it needs to be revealed that he's, So it's the scene where Job sends the train to come and smash into them, where they have the train switch off, where there's a whole action sequence that's built upon the fact that both Dr.

42:57Trace and Job, all they're doing is hitting the switch to change the track of a subway train. And they just are opening and closing. I did feel badly. There is an innocent bystander killed in that. Yeah. Yeah. And I did feel badly for that guy. I have to say, I am really impressed that you both digested so much of this movie. I mean, I found this to be not watchable. And Paul, I'm especially - Well, you were laughing a lot.

43:28Jason Mantzoukas:You were laughing a lot because you just love the fully animated performance of Job. I mean, he was - Okay. This is what I'll say. I actually thought that the actors in this movie did a great job. I thought Job was great. I thought that they showed up and they did a great job. So I have no complaints about the acting. And there was a line that really made me laugh when Job, someone came in and said, what happened to your memory? And he said, I forget. And I LOL'd. So I did have... There are moments in this where Job is straight up channeling like this era Jim Carrey. Yes, yes. You know, he's doing big Jim Carrey reactions.

44:09Jason Mantzoukas:What'd you say? Well, I said, who came first? Did Jim Carrey steal Matt Frewer or did Matt Frewer steal Jim Carrey? Oh, that's a good question. I think you could say like there's definitely some of Max Headroom in Jim Carrey in Living Color characters. I mean, all right. So the mask came out in, let's see here. I mean, you know, 1994. And I would say this is a little bit more like Ace Ventura. So that came out in 1994. so in a way it when did max headroom come out max headroom came out let's see here that would be my question because because i feel like there's a little bit of fire marshal bill in in matt frewer 1985 1985 by the way let's let's take a listen to uh i guess job's jim carrey impression or maybe uh jim carrey's well i guess not jim carrey's matt frewer impression here take a listen he's watching you won't jack in and jack in jack off what's the difference scared of a boogeyman doctor you can at least humor me with a point of view can't you it's a pleasure to finally meet you doctor i feel like we're almost i'm blushing family i don't think so joe don't be so sure incest the game the whole family can play My brother's my daddy.

45:32Jason Mantzoukas:We have a lot in common, Dr. Trace. We're both unwanted, underappreciated, and ahead of our time. Yet the only difference is your time was then. My time is now. It's a short ride, Job. Enjoy it while you can. Oh, I plan to enjoy it for a very long time, Doctor. You see, I found the secret to immortality in the Chiron ship. We should also, I don't know if this is, this is a, I'm about to blow my own mind, I think. we might need to explain to the audience what Max Hedrum is. Ooh, that's a good question. Yeah, right? Because I guess... I don't know if it's enough of a cultural touchstone for younger listeners to know.

46:12I guess maybe just look up Max Hedrum. Max Hedrum was the first computer animated character that ever appeared in any medium, and it was not true computer creation,

46:26Jason Mantzoukas:but it was like he was in full kind of crazy makeup and like shot on a green screen. I believe it was initially a advertising campaign for Coke. Yes, because it didn't. It was also in Back to the Future 2 and Marty goes to Cafe 80. He sees Max Hederman there. And then it was so popular. It was such a exciting thing that was happening. this crazy, weird, stutter-talking computer character that they gave Max Headroom, I think MTV had a Max Headroom TV show. Am I right? Yes. That is, yeah, that's ringing a bell. So it started off as a British, as a character in a British cyberpunk TV movie called Max Headroom 20 Minutes into the Future that came out in 1985.

47:17Jason Mantzoukas:and then um and then the max headroom series was something that premiered in the uk and on mtv and then it went into a dramatic series on abc in 90 and 87 and late 87 um where i think he was like solving uh like solving crimes with other people and then like he's been in a bunch of other books and things like that so yeah i mean like if you've never heard of max headroom i'm part of me thinks Just like look it up on YouTube because it's going to tell you a lot about it's going to inform a lot about why we're talking about it so much. Yeah, it's a very bizarre like he would always be skipping and talking.

47:57Jason Mantzoukas:He also apparently. Yeah, like, yeah, who knows? I guess he he he used to like break into several broadcast signal hijacking of television stations in Chicago. uh also like hijacked using him as a uh as like uh as an avatar yeah it felt like a cool it felt like a cool new computer thing even though it was not computerized it looked like it i remember it being very cool yeah so there we go i mean yeah as a 12 13 year old and i think uh you know for the people who watch the show all uh 14 episodes they were very excited about two seasons 14 episodes it's a great re-watch great um basically uh yeah i mean we don't have to get the whole anyway sorry i just want because i know we're throwing that around no yeah people might not know what the hell we're talking about look we are so hesitant to upgrade our sleeping situation It's hard.

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52:22Jason Mantzoukas:I want to talk about, you know, we're talking about great acting. And to me, sometimes, you know, as an actor, and I want to go down this path with both of you as actors. You know, a character doesn't fully come alive for me until I get on the clothes and find that right prop. And I want to just applaud the senator for finding that pipe because the way that he did that pipe work in this movie was very impressive to me. I mean, it's so bizarre to see somebody like earnestly smoking a pipe. In modern times. In modern times, it's so strange to see people smoke a pipe in modern times. My dad smoked a pipe.

53:02Yeah, our next door neighbor used to smoke a pipe. It's quite a smell.

53:06Jason Mantzoukas:It's a big smell. I remember my dad let me like try to smoke one to get me like out. I remember when you would walk past someone smoking a pipe on the streets in New York and it was like a it was a nice smell. You know, you get a more aromatic. Yeah. Yeah. You pack it. But it was very strange. And I loved that. Like that Job just like crashes that dude's plane into the ground and kills everyone on board. Job is a very violent guy. Like Job is a, like Job has turned evil and it really is just to be the most powerful person, but yet he's in the internet and he seems to know nothing. Like at one point they revealed to him, like you haven't given him his legs yet.

53:49Jason Mantzoukas:He wants his legs back, but you would think that there'd be some sort of paper trail that Job could find. I mean, if Job is like popping up into this kid's like dreams or, you know, his virtual reality, you'd think that Job would be able to read an email and said, Hey, let's hold off on those, uh, those prosthetic limbs for Job's, you know, he's still doing my business. Why is the lead So the lead scientist who works with Job Who works for the villain Who looks like she's straight up out of like the 90s In modern times 90s And she's not from the first movie, Paul, is she? No, no, no one is except for the kid Okay, okay, good, okay So my question was with her Why doesn't she What is her What is she trying to do?

54:32Why doesn't she realize she's part of an evil plot? Like, I couldn't understand why she was both so protective and supportive of Job while Job is clearly becoming a monster. And also she hates Dr. Trace for some reason that I don't know. I think for personal reasons. I think he fucked her over in some way or broke up with her. Yeah. So I think that's just their own personal history. Okay.

55:04Jason Mantzoukas:But I also thought that was interesting was that she looked so normal. Everyone in the movie looks so normal, but then there was one of the scientists who looked like she was out of Blade Runner. Like short cropped blonde hair. And she was dressed, no eyebrows. And she was dressed in like leather skirts. Like this is like a science facility. By the way, one of the things that irritated me so much about this movie is it all of a sudden moves to LA. I mean, the movie, the first movie seemed to be like, you said, New England town, very simple, very easy. now it's in LA. And when they go to like the place, I think they're always trying to find like, Oh, what would be a cool building to be the home of our virtual reality entrepreneur.

55:38Jason Mantzoukas:And it's, it's the Griffith park observatory, which, you know, from rebel without a cause and a million other things, but like, they don't ever label it as like, Oh yeah, that's the old Griffith park observatory. It's like, no, no, this is a cool building. No one, it was such a bizarre choice. It's like, you got to acknowledge that this is something that is a landmark that now you've just taken over like there's no there's no acknowledgement like at one point you'd be like yeah we'll buy that we'll buy that and that's where like i think it would be a hard thing to buy as a business yeah all of it like and the bad guys what is the so the bearded bad guy what is his plan for joe yeah what is the chiron chip plan he wants the chiron chip to have the most power on the internet but i still don't understand the crystal house like that's the other thing like I think what we're trying to get to the bottom is for what?

56:30And everybody. For what? For what? What's the why? I don't understand anybody's motivations.

56:36Jason Mantzoukas:No. Well, maybe the idea is like it's sort of like it's a technology thing. It's like I want the technology of like. And, you know, how to make an electric car or something like that. Like, so why does Job ask the kid to save him in that? He's tricking the kid. He's saying, go get the founder because he doesn't have legs. So he's like, I need an outside person to mess this up. I can only crash planes and stuff like that. So I think he's like, go get that guy so I can get him involved in the whole thing. I mean, by the way, the fact that this kid even just remembers his lawnmower man so fondly after literally living through a dynamic.

57:17Jason Mantzoukas:Some sort of apocalypse. I mean, and he speaks about him so nicely. I mean, this is the only exposition you get from the first movie about the lawnmower man. The reason I came is because my friend Job is dying. He said that you're the only one who could save him. You seem a bit young to know anything about the Chiron ship. Well, Job told me about it. Who's Job? he was a lawnmower man back when my mom was still alive he was my best friend but now he's stuck in virtual reality what do you know about it he's building it he's building it yeah that's what he said so you're gonna help or what i don't live that life anymore here all the technology it just consumes the soul yeah i mean it's it i almost think it's a testament and our junior didn't like it but to their relationship like it makes me feel like that kid made the cupcake for him and but yet did not really question where he went or how he went evil because it would probably be on the news or at least the way they kind of.

58:12I don't think there's any reason for that child to have any sort of a relationship with a grown man. That man is doing something so reprehensible by continually putting those children in jeopardy.

58:25Jason Mantzoukas:Oh, yeah. He should say, thank you for this information. Thank you for your help. I will now go and execute because I'm an adult and you are children. Before I do, I will make a call to Child Protection Services to let them know that children are living in an abandoned subway. You want to put that kid in a home, June? Yes. Yeah. No, not in this world. Who knows? It could have been very Fagan-like. They could be mining. I mean, look, that world of trash can fires. I don't think that they have really good human health and resource services. That's probably true. You're right. Yeah, I don't think that.

59:05Jason Mantzoukas:But I do think that the reason why the kids stay involved is because it's more the other scientists, the the guy who culturally appropriates Native American garb, Dr. Trace, who kind of puts them along because he's making them like jump out in front of cars. Remember that scene where the kids like pretend to get hit by a car? Oh, yeah. There's also lots of attempts at physical comedy. Yeah. With the kids, like the kids are sometimes treated like like the dwarves in the Hobbit movies where they're like collapsing all over each other, doing physical bits while Dr. Trace is trying to like help things.

59:43It's kind of like if Indiana Jones was not interested in archaeology, but future technology, but still dressed like he was obsessed with archaeology. And he had like five kids as his sidekick, which makes no sense.

1:00:01Jason Mantzoukas:It's Goonies meets Indy meets the internet. Write the check for me, please. I got this movie ready to go. By the way, that is the movie. That's the pitch. That's what you should have started your opening with. yeah and you know what that means and you know what that means see and you know what that means you will go further up at the end pull yeah and you know what that means okay see now i feel safe now i feel safe now i feel protected john i was kind of protecting guys on all different sides i mean this and by the way they steal from indiana i'll be honest at the beginning of this episode i felt abandoned oh wow guys i'm so glad that we talked about it openly and we didn't carry this into the episode um the idea that they steal directly from indiana jones like they do a scene out of raiders which i still don't even understand what they're trying to do they're trying to steal the chiron chip which is in a pyramid like structure which is kind of also the way that you can communicate with kyber crystals i don't want to get into that but june you know what i'm talking about um and uh and and they they bring an ice cube in is that we're talking about real kyber crystals we're not talking about the fake kyber crystals that qui-gon jinn and obi-wan kenobi found uh on that other planet okay yeah this is these are the real ones that have messages embedded in them and if you you know and you know even the way that it was written in the last of the the new trilogy uh kylo ren was gonna actually gonna look at one of those kyber crystals and be the wrong person for the information and that's how he's gonna get another scar on his face from emperor palpatine because the message is for darth bader anyway it's a good script you should definitely read it uh i hate this episode uh we did have we did have a uh uh a kyber crystal reader in our house like one of those little pyramids and uh a holocron a holocron yeah and uh it was what are you talking about you don't remember our son running around with a holocron in our house i don't know what any of these words mean it's a repository for jedi information in june come on get with the fucking program oh that little like plastic pyramid yes it wasn't plastic it was full of gears and anyway we got it at galaxy's edge um the thing is this uh they go in there with this plan to steal it and i don't even understand what the plan is but it's very much like raiders where it's like okay we got the moment let's go get the thing they're on this like deck but that's a real that's a physically real location that they're in right what do you mean When they're stealing the crystal, but that looks like a virtual reality room.

1:02:33That's what was so confusing. I thought that that room was virtual reality because that's where he looks like he went in virtual reality.

1:02:41Jason Mantzoukas:Well, it's weird to, yes, it's weird to have a movie that's heavy on CG and then also in a virtual reality world. Well, no, because when they're in virtual reality, we know they are because it looks like screensavers from the time. Like they might as well go. They might as well be in a world in which the flying toasters are passing them by. You know what I mean? Like the screensaver from old computers. Like that's the level of what cyberspace looks like in this movie. It looks like old screensavers and is hilarious. So, no, when they are trying to steal the Chiron chip, that's the real world. that's a real world but then at the end when matt frewer is like having all those human beings up against the wall like in that kind of again a very when matt frewer is in the golden suit yeah that's cyberspace again another comparison to wonder roman 84 uh holy shit was strange did anyone else notice it was it was so ill-fitting why does he need a golden shape of it was just so odd yeah i agree like the french was almost like an egg and why why does he need to have this sci-fi type of thing to exist inside the internet and like right like he doesn't need protection and and because when the kids go into the internet when the kids go into cyberspace rather to fly or ride their bikes or go to the jungle whatever they are only ever wearing the exact same clothes they were wearing in the real world they just jack in and uh and fly around the amazon or whatever so that the end of the movie when matt frewer has the fight with trace that is in virtual reality but i don't even understand how he could be hurt in virtual reality if he has the most power i mean i don't know that end fight scene i rewound it twice june walked in on me and she's like what are you doing i said i'm rewinding it for the parts that i didn't understand and she You laughed at me and walked out.

1:04:39Jason Mantzoukas:I'm impressed. At one point also, Paul, I mean, it was so, this whole experience of this movie has been so chaotic. But there was. By the way, your microphone is pointing to the ground. Well, Devin, can you hear me okay? Much better now. It gets better when you point it at your mouth. Literally pointing at the ground. At the desk. I can't get it to stay. Oh, maybe if I. Oh, this is what this does. Okay. Wow. No, it doesn't want to. Just push it backwards. All right, I guess I'll just have to hold it. I'm not doing well.

1:05:19I'm not well right now. So, Paul, there were a few times where I was watching the movie, because this is the other piece of it. I've had three viewings of this feature film. One, I started watching with Paul, fell asleep. Then I woke up at three in the morning, because meatball, where we were staying, There were 40 horses and our dog literally was having panic attacks about these horses.

1:05:43Jason Mantzoukas:Yeah. He thought the horses were giant dogs. Of course. He definitely did and was so rattled by the sight of them. And so he was, talk about not well, he was not well and kept on waking up. So I was up at three in the morning where I watched 20 more minutes of this movie. during that time, Paul, do you remember saying over and over again, wait, I don't remember this. I don't remember this. There were so many scenes that you were walking into and waking up to and saying, I don't remember this. I don't remember that. Oh, my God. This movie, the experience of this movie was like a fever dream to all of us.

1:06:28It doesn't help that it makes so little sense.

1:06:32Jason Mantzoukas:there's so little to hold on to you know i mean because it also seems like this movie i mean just to add it to if you've not seen this movie and i do recommend that you do see it but we'll get to that in a little bit but there are like security cameras too well we'll talk about it yeah it's what it's i am i embrace the more insane films i'm like what is happening like there looks like there's security cameras that are also like laser guns like that matt fruer can control so like this whole this whole facility is outfitted with like lasers that can just like gun down people immediately um it like there's so many weird choices but yet the the the technology is so antiquated that like one of the end fight scenes they break a tv over somebody's head and i think at that point my i must have been broken down by this movie and i really felt bad for the person i was like wow that must be if that happened in real life if someone broke a tv be over your head that would be by the way all those TVs that were not plugged in were on and had footage of Job from a control room on yeah Job was making his big appeal across all the television networks right but those TVs were not connected to anything doesn't matter who cares yeah I think I think in the I think the logic of the movie assumes that like electricity is the same as the internet like Wi-Fi he can access anything that's plugged in anywhere you know what i mean wouldn't that be wouldn't that be like that other stephen king novella where it was the the guy who gets executed uh goes into electricity remember that i remember the cover box for it at blockbuster was a guy a guy in the electric chair and like his spirit went through electricity so if you plugged in something you would become the evil guy stephen king is so fascinating to me i'm not at all uh an avid reader of stephen king but he he he is so prolific that i feel like he uses the same ideas over and over and over and over again it's like you're hanging out with him and he's telling you the same stories and you're like oh i already heard the story but it's like but he's obsessed with it it's like he's just obsessed with like yeah killers getting the power of electricity like you know like so you just kind of have to hear him tell that story like 10 more times um yeah i i don't know i mean yeah that is a uh That guy, I just remember the cover box being so scared of it.

1:08:51Dr. Trace puts these children in such real jeopardy. He brings them into a military compound where people are truly out to kill them. And it is so blasé. And it genuinely feels like he's a bad guy. He's like a bad person for doing what he's doing. because he's using them as cannon fodder or I don't know what.

1:09:22Jason Mantzoukas:By the way, guys, the movie I was talking about is called Shocker. It's a Wes Craven movie. So get on Shocker. A lot of people yelling at the radios, Shocker! Shocker, Paul, Shocker! Oh, man. You know you can't get this on radios, Jason. Huh? Serious, baby. You can't get this podcast on radios. Serious. Aren't we being broadcast on radios right now? We are on K97.9. 5-5-5-W-I-M-A-D. Junior in the traffic copter, what does the traffic look like up there, Junie? I've only done a couple of them, those radio tours they have to do in the early morning. They are talking like... It's exhausting. Yeah.

1:10:03Johnny and the Meatball. Have you ever done it in person? No.

1:10:06Jason Mantzoukas:Johnny and the Meatball. To do it, to sit in a room in person with people who are at that pitch at like 7 a.m. is chilling. I know. No, I know, Paul, I said I needed more energy from you, but I don't need that kind of energy. All right, then tell us about that traffic then. What do you got up there? We're here talking about lawnmower man to the Job's war. Who knew Job? Who knew the kids? The Chiron gyps out of control. Paul, what was in life? Oh, man, let me tell you. I got on the internet this weekend, and my wife doesn't like that at all. You know what I mean.

1:10:50the we definitely should do an episode of how did this get made that's just drive time radio hosts reviewing a movie um you know molly shannon was in this movie

1:11:01Jason Mantzoukas:what molly shannon was in this movie as a homeless person uh probably one of her early jobs oh wow oh that's interesting i was trying to find a picture of her i don't know where she popped up but she's i think at the end when everyone is putting on vr uh she is one of the uh the homeless people that is putting on the oh funny um we've talked a lot about this movie i mean like and we've we've barely even i don't understand it now any better than i did then like as much as we've talked about it less i i think there was like i don't know i don't know the motivations of any of these characters i don't know what cyber indiana jones wanted i don't know what the kids wanted i don't i don't know if it was this i don't know if it was a success you know well i'm gonna i'm gonna tell you some movie no no no no the the mission they were i think it was a success because the only thing we know jason i think it was a success because they got the chyron chip and that was what they really wanted right so they wanted that chyron chip and they got it so i feel like in that way we should give them a lot of a lot of love but obviously we had opinions about this movie but there are people out there with a different opinion.

1:12:12Jason Mantzoukas:It is now time for Second Opinions.

1:12:27Thank you, John Lajoie.

1:12:41Jason Mantzoukas:who I miss seeing on a regular basis, but I love hearing that song so, so much. Here we go. These are Second Opinions, cold from amazon.com. I'm just going to, give me a second. I have to figure out where I've. While you look it up, I'll say, please go and listen to John LeJoy's music. Go to your streaming service. Go to Spotify or Bandcamp or whatever you use. Buy his music. He's been putting out, you might know him for doing funny songs on YouTube or on The League, but he's been doing absolutely beautiful music in the last bunch of years that is not comedy type songs. And he's just the loveliest guy.

1:13:19The greatest.

1:13:20Jason Mantzoukas:He is really, really good. He also has been doing like some cool bigger projects. Like he did a lot of music for, for the Lego movie, Lego 2. The Lego second movie. Yes. Yeah. Lego 2. Yeah. Yeah. You could definitely check out his albums. There's, there's two of them. I remembered, but then I forgot and Perfection uh which uh we're also releasing her like wolfie's just fine so check it out he is uh he's always awesome um here we go lawnmower man to beyond cyberspace aka joe's warbs aka joe's war war joe's warbs george warbs it could be called george joe's warbs and i'd be like fine lawnmower to george warbs hi george warbs i'm the new george warbs and i'm in the internet but if lawnmower man too is just about the next guy who mows pierce brosnan's lawn by the way i would like all right these are good t-shirt ideas we should have pierce brosnan as a lawnmower man or we should put jim carrey as max headroom these are ideas that i just put it as Job's Warbs.

1:14:30Jason Mantzoukas:Okay. Lawn Mower Man 2 has 41 % five-star reviews and 18 % one-star reviews. And I believe the reason why it has 41 % five-star reviews is because the only way that you can purchase Lawn Mower Man 2 is if you buy the two-pack of Lawn Mower Man 1 and Lawn Mower Man 2. So a lot of the reviews are, I love the first one. The second one is complete trash. but this one right here is five stars from Jerry S. Jerry writes, my grandkids loved it five stars this one goes here, this is from Darren Tate, Darren Tate on March 6, 2015 writes loved the first Lamar Man, can I stop you for a quick second, did we lose June how did this get made is experiencing technical difficulties, please hold Okay, hold on here.

1:15:25Jason Mantzoukas:She's going to come in here. Okay. So just to catch people up, June disappeared off of the Zoom and has now reappeared next to Paul. First of all, nobody even noticed I was gone for a long time. I did. June, I want credit. I noticed. I'm reading on Amazon. I'm getting my notes together here. I'm looking up at Wolfie's just fine. All right. I'm trying to do the work. This episode is cursed because my computer just died out of nowhere. Was it plugged in? It never By the way, can I just say that we are traveling right now June and I are traveling June did not bring a computer cord Nor did she bring an iPhone charging cord Two things I did not bring on vacation Okay, we're not on vacation We're not on vacation We're just changing Away from home Yes, I was gone for a long time, Paul Into the microphone I was gone for a long time while I was trying to fix it Sorry, Paul, you're going to have to point that microphone at the ground for June to understand how it works.

1:16:24That's very, very strange. I'm very nervous that GarageBand, I don't know how that works, Devin, if it's just gone.

1:16:31Jason Mantzoukas:Oh, no, wait. Well, this is now a bad news. This is St. Clair Part 2.

1:16:38Jason Mantzoukas:All right, we have now repositioned ourselves. June and I are next to each other, on top of each other, in a very small room, essentially a closet. And we are ready to take this show to the finish line june how are you i'm not great i i continue to not be great now i want to say i don't know why my computer shut down i received no notifications on the computer that it was about to shot of the way that june and i are are recording this no this is i listen i'm willing to say i thinkst claire put a hex on june's computer um yes that's the only one it's a new one that's what i don't understand but i i also have a you got maybe it wasn't fully plugged in or it was plugged in but it wasn't charging if that that outlet may not be working that's my first thought oh boy well i didn't receive any push notifications that it was about to go well okay i don't know if they call them a push notification but anyway uh we'll get into that in a second this uh second review is uh from darren tate he wrote it uh march 6 2015 and he writes loved the first lawnmower man really good film second film hmm a bit weird five stars wow still five stars all the five star reviews are very uh very short there's not there's not a full breakdown to say.

1:18:03Yeah.

1:18:03Jason Mantzoukas:Yeah. There's not too much to say. Uh, and those are really the only two that I pulled, uh, or I shouldn't say I pulled, but Nate Kiley, uh, our man on the ground have to do all the research. Uh, he did send me a third opinion from Val Don Rawell, who seems not to have a problem with the film, but, uh, but the DVD itself, as he writes, didn't play at all rip off. That's the title of the, the review and the, and the, the actual review goes like this. didn't play total ripoff i would send it back but it's not worth the time or effort very disappointed one star that seems like more about the the company less about the the product like yeah you know anyway i did want to say that uh i do have some research here uh june's seeing how i have multiple screens set up here um do i travel with a second screen yeah i do now um do you do Did you bring the appropriate power adapters to keep them turned on?

1:19:01Jason Mantzoukas:Yeah, yeah. Do the whole thing. You didn't travel with this screen. No, I traveled with this screen over here. There are three screens in this tiny room. Don't worry about it. This is the owner of the house's screen. Yes, but that's okay. I just plugged into it. That's all I did. They did not say that it was available for use. I'm not using their computer. I'm just using their screen. Aren't these your things right here? Yes, but that's my computer. It's the same computer. it's it's just using two screens all right anyway this peek behind the curtain is incredible um the tagline of this movie god made him simple science made him a god now he wants revenge wow these things don't seem like they're really at play in the sequel as much but i guess the revenge part i don't know i guess it's all there the budget was 15 million the opening weekend was 1.4 million it made a total of 2.4 million so uh a loss of uh about 13 million there um which is a lot of money at that time yeah in 1996 the top three movies of 96 are independence day twister mission impossible this movie came in about one think about that for a second independence day's visual graphics are amazing compared to the visual graphics of this movie which again are the equivalent of screens.

1:20:22Jason Mantzoukas:Twister, Jason. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Twister. Incredible. It's great. And this movie came in 187th out of all movies of 1996. It was beaten by Space Jam, Jingle All the Way, Dragonheart. I'd argue Space Jam even has better effects. The Island of Dr. Moreau also has better effects. Escape from LA, questionable. The Quest, Glimmerman, Kazam, Barbed Wire. Wow, this is a big record year for how did this get made? Wait, did we do all of these movies? We did, except for Dragonheart. Did we do every movie of that year for the podcast? Did anything come out? Basically, 1996 was a banner year for this podcast, it seems like.

1:21:00Because by the way, I would also do Independence Day. It's not good.

1:21:03Jason Mantzoukas:No, I would get on that. I would get on all of these. I'll tell you this. Oh, no. This blows my mind. I didn't read this. Farhad Mann, who wrote and directed this, also wrote and directed Return to Two Moon Junction. What? wait a second that movie that i just referenced but that now i'm getting the whole the whole idea here hold on one second i gotta same actor that's blowing my mind hold on does that also have sheryl and fan in it two moon junction is a movie it says uh sheryl and fan mila julevich zalman king was the director uh they don't really list the guy king was like the the the the impresario of soft core Showtime movies.

1:21:46Jason Mantzoukas:Yeah. I don't know. They don't list the male actor, although he's kissing the woman, a Sherilyn Finn there. But return to two moon junction is a little bit more graphic. The cover box. He's a straight up grabbing her breasts on this one. And that a star is a Melinda Clark and John Clayton Schaefer. And it says she had everything except for what she desired the most. Molly Shannon also in that movie wait what? Molly Shannon is in Return to Two Moon Junction she must know Farhad Man that's the only reason that's the only explanation that's the only explanation she is Tracy in that movie this is amazing two fun facts about this movie where the last two minutes of the five minute credits are completely silent whether there was music originally is not clear it just seems like they just stopped putting this gave up at the end of the movie.

1:22:40Jason Mantzoukas:And the other thing that was interesting was that when Lawnmower Man was released in 1993, at the end of the film, it said, look out for Lawnmower Man 2, Mindfire in 1994. And that never happened. And this appeared two years later with a different title. If you want to see something really cool, Averill Halley cut together an old commercial for that board game Crossfire with clips of Lawnmower Man 2 and its perfection. And you can check it out on all of our how does this get made social media it's worth a watch she did a great job there um would you recommend this movie june i know that you love it so what would you say i mean i i would would like to explain something like i don't think i've brought my best my best best into this podcast episode and technically and even just like energetically and paul you have some you have to shoulder some of the blame there what for setting the setting the stage of the beginning of this episode.

1:23:35Wow, okay. But I'm also, listen, I'm also, we are, you know, I don't know when this is going to drop, but right now we're just a week past a coup, attempted coup. We are -

1:23:47Jason Mantzoukas:You say it in a very cute way. Attempted coup. We are, you know, the Army Hammer News just broke. Like, I am disgusted in general. And this film really pushed me over the edge. I did not like it. I don't recommend it. I hated it. I hated talking about it. I hated every attempt I made to watch it. This was just horrible. Wow. Okay. Jason, what do you think? In this time where I am 10 months into complete isolation, again, I want to reiterate, I don't have the emotional capability to try and figure out these moments. movies. Okay. I am, I am. We're not a well people. I am reduced to panic and anxiety when I don't understand what's going on.

1:24:42So this movie was stressful. Now, would I recommend it? Yes, absolutely. People should watch this because it's cuckoo, crazy banana time. Yeah. And it's fun to watch and it's not too long and blah, blah, blah. And it's interesting enough. And, and if you go into it with the assumption from the jump that you're not going to be able to make heads or tails out of any of this, I think you might be on for, you might have a fun ride. Even though it is. I mean, I walked in with that, Jason. I walked in with that very assumption. Oh, see, I walked in with dread. I walked in with dread. I was like, fuck, I've got, I've got, I want to watch something that makes me feel good.

1:25:23I want to watch Hilda or Derry Girls. I want to watch Dick I want to watch something that's going to make me feel good and up because that's what I need to watch. This is to feel as though my battery is being drained. Yeah. Do you know?

1:25:38Jason Mantzoukas:I will say this. I will say that, like, you know, when I watch these movies, I am always a big proponent of people who swing for the fences. And this is a mix of so many bad tropes and choices. And and look, and like June said, not bad acting. It's just it is just not well thought out. it feels like a movie where the director was kicked out of the edit bay it like and there are so many ripoffs there's so many references to other movies of that era there's a direct indiana jones moment they fall they fall down a trash shoot into a trash compactor like in star wars they they ripping off all of the things the goonies they're ripping off everything from that era yeah it's deadly serious too it like it's so weird by the way uh devon just popped up in the chat and said that matt frewer is also in return to two moon junction which makes me feel like we must do return return to two moon junction i feel like let's let's finish if we're gonna do that we might have to watch two moon junction which i am not mad at because boy i had just from twin peaks the most enormous crush on sharing oh my gosh with the blonde hair oh my goodness gracious um i recommend it a lot uh because it's so bizarre hats off to everybody behind this movie long live lawnmower man to i hope he's out there long live long wait did you just pledge fealty to lawnmower man i am in i am are you elevating it to uh to our monarch jobe thank you for sabotaging june today jobe thank you lord jobe thank you lord jobe do you think jobe do you think jobe is the one that lost the ballots yeah do you think jobe do you think jobe behind the tap the tampering with the machines job tampering with the machines job how did you get in there steal job stop the steal stop the steal or steal it back job we look to you almighty job joe bless us and uh and it brings us to the end of this episode my favorite thing right now that's happening on screen just for the viewers is while we're talking june it must be the first time June has set foot in this room of the house they're in?

1:27:49Because June is now full-blown examining everything in the room. She's in.

1:27:53Jason Mantzoukas:She's in. Really picking it all apart. Oh my god. This episode is airing here in late January. Do we want to plug anything? Tell anybody to watch, see, do, experience, anything at all? Gosh, I don't know. I just saw a little news story today that President-elect what Biden's dog, the shelter that they got him from, is going to do an official inauguration. Oh, amazing. Which I thought was just so cute. And I can't wait to get my eyeballs on that. Well, at this point. First rescue in the White House. At this point. That's exciting. You will be able to just Google that up because I'm sure it will be completely available at this point in time as this comes out.

1:28:36This is a question. Does the dog, does Joe Biden's dog also get sworn in as first dog? Like, is there a dog? is there a dog supreme is there a supreme court dog that i don't want to talk about his issues

1:28:49Jason Mantzoukas:the dog's issues are a little bit look he came from the streets he has very strong uh ties and and and look there's going to be a lot of bad things coming out for for birds and squirrels and cats in the future i know that they're nervous i've heard that i've heard that from a lot of people. The bird community is, the cats are freaked out right now. My dog, uh, or our dog, uh, voted for the, this dog. So that was a, that was a good thing. Uh, you know, we're happy in this house. He's, you know, uh, we're all on the same page. Uh, I will just say, uh, by the way, I've been, uh, hosting a bunch of stuff on Twitch.

1:29:27Jason Mantzoukas:Check it out at twitch.tv slash Paul Shear. It's free. Just go on it like YouTube. But more importantly, um, I talked to some of the ride and dies at how did this get made who have been on the message boards for many years, posting some of the best content that we use for all of our mini episodes. And I've convinced them to start up their own discord, which is a little bit more inviting because the earwolf message boards have kind of been left to tumbleweeds and they are starting up a brand new how did this get made discord and stay tuned because at this point in time, you will be able to get on there.

1:29:57Jason Mantzoukas:And if you want to participate in these amazing conversations, you can. Paul, if you wouldn't mind, of course, I know what it is, but would you mind telling some of the audience maybe what Discord is? Yes, Discord is actually a really awesome, it has elements of what Slack is and Geneva. The idea of it is it's a thriving message board place where it's basically a glorified message board with a lot of bells and whistles where you can have video talks, you can have audio talks, but more importantly, just a big conversation is the way So it's a forum for fans to go and talk about the show episode.

1:30:34They can talk about it. Yes.

1:30:35Jason Mantzoukas:So we already have this. We already have this on earwolf.com. It's a little bit of an antiquated system that's hard to get into and hard to post on, in my opinion, as someone who is frequenting message boards. So I talked to them. Why are you frequenting message boards? Because I'm here for the show. Anyway, I have my own discord. You can jump on that, too. You have your own discord? I have my own discord for all the Twitch shows. And what happens on it? There's a lot of conversations. We talk about the NBA. We talk about the Twitch shows. there's a lot of there's a lot of conversation we politics wonder woman there's i'm here to say i have never been on a discord i think you have you might not know if you want to go on my discord to say it's discord.gg slash paul sheer but anyway uh we have great conversations we actually had a dating game that we ran on the discord last week was fun anyway uh wait you're dating jason we don't have time i'm we're we're busy we're in uh you know we're in strange times and I just got to look out.

1:31:24Jason Mantzoukas:I think it's weird to be dating on discord. Is that a, do I need to join discord to date? Is that how, is this modern dating? Um, Jason, where, what, what can people do? I mean, besides, obviously we're all in big mouth, which is currently, uh, airing on Netflix, which is great. Um, you know, I'm, I'm, I don't know. I know in terms of like new things coming out, I don't really have much, but I will say I did a couple of episodes. I voice a character in a couple of episodes of the TV show, Dickinson on Apple, which the which has just released its second season. I'm not in the second season, but I love the show.

1:32:01So it's I've heard it's fantastic. Yeah, really fun. Really great. Really enjoyed it. Watched every episode of Bridgerton. Not sure why. Did not enjoy it. It's crazy.

1:32:13Jason Mantzoukas:I got to get into this because Kulop was telling me about this. It's top to bottom a straight up. Yikes. I can't. it's worth it's so it's it's a worthy discussion um uh i'm trying to think if there's anything else to plug no not really everything else is the same big mouth all the rest well we appreciate you all listening and we will be back with an episode not cursed by job uh and we appreciate y 'all being here and we will talk to you all soon if you want to comment on anything that you've heard here today give us a call at the mini episode which is 619 paul ask that's 619 paul ask you can ask me about your personal life, but you can also ask me about this movie.

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