Love on a Leash w/ Jessica St. Clair (Classic)

19 May 2026 · 1 h 23 min · 34 chapters

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In short

This How Did This Get Made episode covers Love on a Leash, an apparently never-officially-released indie fairy-tale romance about a cursed playboy who becomes a dog and must fall in love with a woman to become fully human—though he can only be human part of the day. Hosts Paul Scheer and co-hosts Jason Manzoukas and June Diane Rayfield argue the film is terrifying and horny, with lots of surveillance-like shots, no music (except a dog-food commercial), and frequent silent dialogue where mouths move but audio doesn’t. They key on intentional “jade”/green symbolism, a monochrome, lime-heavy apartment and outfits, and a heart-shaped/leaf-like bed. Notable examples include the dog’s misogynistic/homophobic behavior, the “wet fart” sound effects during a dress fitting, and a montage of wedding-like photos where the couple repeatedly calls each other husband and wife. They also discuss the dog’s voice actor (Stephen Kramer Glickman) versus the on-screen dog actor, and a blooper showing the dog with a bloody head after a car hit.

Guests

Jessica St. Clair (Deep Dive with June Diane Rayfield; Station 5 on HBO).

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Meet the Guests: Jason and June

3:18 to 4:51

Hosts welcome co-hosts Jason and June, discussing their experiences with the movie.

“This movie has really no stats that we can find.”

Jessica St. Clair Joins the Discussion

4:51 to 6:00

Guest Jessica St. Clair shares her thoughts and experiences related to the film.

“There are moments in this podcast, and I've said it before, but it keeps on happening, where I go, I didn't think we could top where we've been.”

Reactions to the Film's Opening

6:00 to 8:08

The hosts discuss the unsettling lack of sound in the film's opening.

“I would gladly take one billion trash can fires over watching this terrifying movie.”

Character and Theme Exploration

8:08 to 10:46

Discussion on the film's characters, themes, and the significance of the color green.

“And that is truly one of the most horrifying experiences I have ever had because it puts you in a panic mode.”

The Frog Prince and Dog Transformation

10:46 to 14:00

Exploration of the film's premise about love, loyalty, and transformation.

“So you're saying you just put your hand in and grab.”

Exploring Prince's Duality

14:00 to 15:46

Discussion about Prince's character and the complexities of his dual life.

“come back as a man and not be a dog anymore.”

Exploring Prince's Duality

17:44 to 18:47

Discussion about Prince's character and the complexities of his dual life.

“Summer travel is coming and wouldn't it be a dream that if you are going to a different land that you could easily speak the language, right?”

Jade and Symbolism in Film

18:55 to 21:49

Discussion on the significance of jade and other cultural elements in the movie.

“I want to walk it back a couple steps because for those of you who have not seen the movie, first of all, do yourselves a favor and watch it because we all need to know where the brink of sanity is.”

Character Dynamics and Misogyny

21:49 to 25:58

Examination of the relationships and misogynist elements in the film.

“You know, and like that's the kind of stuff that happens in the movie.”

Controversial Themes and Film Techniques

25:58 to 28:00

Analysis of the film's sexual themes and its unique filming techniques.

“Is there such a thing as toxic as toxic caninity?”
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Discussion on the Film's Themes

28:00 to 33:01

Analyzing the film's portrayal of characters and themes surrounding the dog and its relationships.

“Yeah, it's like you don't feel good about yourself.”

Discussion on the Film's Themes

33:30 to 33:54

Analyzing the film's portrayal of characters and themes surrounding the dog and its relationships.

“Me, Reese Witherspoon, in London, ordering fish and chips so often they might start wrapping me in paper.”

Character Dynamics and Plot Points

34:31 to 42:00

Exploring character relationships, plot development, and comedic elements in the film.

“You know, and back in action on a hot spot right now on my phone's hot spot.”

Interspecies Wedding Night Fantasy

42:00 to 43:31

Exploring the bizarre wedding night scenario with interspecies implications.

“Because I think this was their wedding night.”

The Complex Nature of Love and Identity

43:31 to 45:02

Discussing the film's exploration of love through the lens of a dog-human relationship.

“You think it's like, oh, you want to fuck a dog or do you?”

Acting Dynamics: Dog vs. Human

45:02 to 47:03

Analyzing the acting choices in the film and the contrasting performances of dog and human characters.

“Is she marrying a dog or is she marrying a man?”

The Essence of Sacrifice and Love

47:03 to 49:08

Exploring themes of sacrifice and genuine affection in the narrative.

“because clearly the man acting, the actor in the movie was performing the arc of you are a playboy who really falls in love and has a transformative experience through your relationship with Lisa.”

Blooper Moments and Ethical Concerns

49:08 to 50:45

Discussing bloopers from the film and raising concerns about animal rights in production.

“Jason, before way before that, he saw that business card.”

Flirting Techniques and Retail Experiences

50:45 to 52:58

Evaluating flirting strategies portrayed in the film against personal retail experiences.

“Back to how to attract the opposite sex.”

Commercials and Dog Rights

53:15 to 56:01

Debating the ethics of dogs acting in commercials and their commercial roles.

“So I think it's a good chance for us to watch the dog Prince's acting debut in a dog food commercial that he does behind the back of Lisa.”

Understanding Meatball's Dilemma

56:01 to 57:48

The hosts discuss the motivations behind Meatball's actions and the implications for the characters.

“Well, it seems like a perfectly reasonable way for him to make money and the only way he can make money.”

Chilling Moments in a Dog Love Story

57:49 to 59:50

Exploration of the unsettling elements of the characters' intimate moments and the implications of the dog's role.

“I think it was because it was her first time.”

Rita's Role in Lisa's Life

59:51 to 1:02:19

The hosts analyze Rita's character and her influence on Lisa's relationships and choices.

“But of course, that makes entirely all the sense in the world.”

Discussion on Unhealthy Relationships

1:02:20 to 1:04:40

The hosts delve into Lisa's interactions with Prince and the problematic nature of their relationship.

“Just the paperwork was going to go through.”

The Disturbing Elements of the Film

1:04:41 to 1:07:46

Exploring the strange and eerie aspects of the film, including character dynamics and underlying themes.

“And he's showing her headshots of dogs for the dog food commercial, which are not headshots.”

Technical Aspects and Production Insights

1:07:47 to 1:10:00

The hosts share intriguing behind-the-scenes information about the film's production and its soundtrack.

“asking me to disconnect from my iPhone because the battery's low.”

Revelations About the Film's Production

1:10:00 to 1:11:30

Discover how behind-the-scenes decisions impacted the film's audio and visuals.

“I would be like, OK, we're done, though.”

Plot Discussions: Dog's Dual Life

1:11:30 to 1:13:45

Explore interpretations of the dog's transformation and the film's ending.

“and joined us out of your hotspot world, June, we were talking about the end of the movie where the dog dies, is hit by a car, which we could see coming.”

Character Analysis: The Dog and Relationships

1:13:45 to 1:16:46

Debate the character dynamics and relationship portrayals in the movie.

“I mean, that was from MASH and Canine Prozac, which is something that they want to, the dog offers himself in the movie.”

Viewer Reactions and Opinions

1:16:46 to 1:18:40

Listen to viewers' contrasting opinions about the film's quality and entertainment value.

“I was like, I don't understand how at this point he can be still being this kind of hateful.”

Behind the Scenes with Stephen Kramer Glickman

1:18:40 to 1:23:30

Gain insights from actor Stephen Kramer Glickman on the film's production and cast.

“You know, so I'm going to read a five-star review to get the sense of it.”

Behind the Scenes of Love on a Leash

1:24:09 to 1:26:31

Learn about the unusual production story of the film Love on a Leash.

“Also, that actress, her and the actor who plays the human version of the dog, they did get married, and they do have kids, or a kid, and are still together to this day, and they will not speak about the movie.”

Movie Recommendations and Reactions

1:26:31 to 1:27:44

The hosts discuss their mixed feelings about recommending Love on a Leash.

“And he just did that today, just minutes before the show started.”

Promoting Paper Girls and Other Projects

1:27:44 to 1:28:34

Jessica St. Clair promotes her show Paper Girls and discusses its adaptation.

“Very briefly, before we wrap, I'm just going to say, everybody, please watch Paper Girls.”
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1:58A man who see a burlesque show with Nick Crowe And take a boat with speed to hitting hoops control Jay-Liv, Big Paul, and the beautiful June Gonna take you from the boom all the way to the road Rain against the street body, hope to blow off steam Just a sucker, punch the eye of life, attempt to break Shot me, it's Bird Demick, how he's staying alive They call him a badass and he's on the line Cranking 88 minutes cause they cool as ice

2:21Jason Mantzoukas:Cause they're bad Jim Barney looking kind and nice Paul and June getting literal, Jason is getting late

2:42Jason Mantzoukas:Hello people of earth and welcome to How Did This Get Made. I'm your host Paul Scheer aka Tall John and today we are talking about love on a leash. a story about a cursed prince, or maybe just a human, who is a playboy who becomes a dog in another life, in another country, not quite sure, and has to fall in love with a woman so he can become a man. But then when he becomes a man, he can only become a man for part of the day. And that really is just the tip of the iceberg on this little indie that you can find for free on YouTube. This movie has really no stats that we can find. I don't think it was ever released and no sound either for the first two minutes, which was quite unnerving.

3:29Jason Mantzoukas:Now, tonight we are going to be breaking down this movie with my two co-hosts, but we also have a very special guest to join them. But first, let me introduce to you, Mr. Jason Manzoukas. Boom! Yeah! What's up, George?

3:50Jason Mantzoukas:You know what? And we're so excited to have you talking because I know you love dogs. Oh, Paul must love dogs. First of all, must love dogs. Second of all, this movie gave me a full nervous breakdown. This movie reduced me to insanity in a hotel room. Can't wait to talk about it. Oh, I can't wait to talk to you about it. And we can't talk about this movie without another person who loves dogs just as much as Jason and I. Her name is June Diane Rayfield. June, welcome. Hi. Hello, hello, hello. Jason, Paul. You know, I know we've been doing this podcast for some time, but today I feel brand new.

4:38I feel like we've never done this show before because this movie, I truly believe, was like the cultural reset that this podcast needed. This is a new episode one.

4:50Jason Mantzoukas:This is episode one. It starts again. It is. We're back to the beginning. There are moments in this podcast, and I've said it before, but it keeps on happening, where I go, I didn't think we could top where we've been. And at Paul, I had the same thought. I didn't think it. I didn't think it. 11 years in, 11 years in. 11 years in to find, come on. We can still surprise ourselves. I mean, not just surprise, but have my mind scrambled like an egg that I'm allergic to. We are like the Lewis and Clark of bad movies. It's a new frontier. When we see it, we're like, oh my gosh, there's more? More here?

5:31Jason Mantzoukas:Wow. Yeah. June, I want to say, not only is this a great movie about dogs, which I know you love, but it's a great movie about wigs. I want to save this discussion. Of course. And I want to earmark about 45 minutes to one hour to talk about our lead's hair. But I don't even want to touch this with a 10-foot pole until our guest comes out. And I am so excited. Okay, I don't want to touch it. Table it. I am so excited because... She's broadcasting from a Commodore 64 that is not working. she has complained in the past i hate when i come on this show and you give me these movies with trash can fires so we tried our best to find a movie with no trash can fires but i would say the movie is an equivalent of that please welcome the amazing the talented the uh host of deep dive with June Diane Rayfield, one of the stars of Station 5 on HBO, Jessica Sinclair.

6:35Hello, friends. There she is.

6:38Jason Mantzoukas:Hello, hello. You see my unmade bed? Let's just move over this way. No, we can't. We didn't even see it. Frame it out, please. And you're welcome. No trash can fires in this movie. I would gladly take one billion trash can fires over watching this terrifying movie. And you know, Paul, because the last time you had me on your dumbass show with Hubel, you showed me all the villains, all the scariest pinwheels and Pennywise and Pinhead. Yeah. This movie scared me more. And I mean that than all of those movies. Wow. I understand that. I understand that. Because these were adult, real adult people.

7:23Filming. Let's say that again. This movie is comprised of real adult people. This was no CGI, okay?

7:33Jason Mantzoukas:No CGI. This is not animated. It was an octogenarian first-time director of this film. Oh, wow. Yeah, yes. Wait, what? I was under the impression the dog had done the film. No, Fenten did the film. She is an octogenarian. And yeah, but I will say this. And this is the thing that I felt I was not prepared for. And Molly prepared me for it, which is the first two minutes of the film have no sound, no sound, no music, no sound. And that is truly one of the most horrifying experiences I have ever had because it puts you in a panic mode. It's like, okay, is something wrong with my TV? Did they not know this?

8:22and is that a move is it a move when you texted me you said i said where do i find this piece of shit because you can't i was like it's not on any streaming platforms and you wrote you know you here's the youtube link and don't be afraid that the first two minutes don't have sound quote that's a choice and that scared me more than anything i said it's a choice because look

8:48Jason Mantzoukas:they had ample it wasn't like we were watching a rough cut it wasn't like it was you know premiering at sundance and there was some sort of issue in the projection booth this was somebody put a stamp that this is ready to be released to the public and that made me uncomfortable on so many levels like in all the moments of silence because the movie is not and i want to be clear not just the first two minutes but throughout the movie all establishing shots There are shots where you can see actors' mouths moving, but there is no sound. My mind was trying to rationalize it and say, here's where score was supposed to be and is missing?

9:27I thought this was the dog's mind. We were inside. The whole movie? Now, this is interesting. No, I thought just sometimes when you would cut out, I thought maybe this is the dog's perspective. But the dog has ears. That doesn't make any sense. And, you know, I have to say, I think, you know, Paul is running the tech on this live stream. Like, I do feel like Paul's tech work is going to be far more advanced on this live stream than the mixing and the, you know, color correcting. I mean, well, I guess we'll talk about the color green at one point.

9:58Jason Mantzoukas:It's the first time that I've ever seen. June, do you think we'll talk about the color green, June? What the fuck was that about? Every character was monochromatic. Every single character was defined. There's a moment in the movie where the movie jumps 30 years into the future. Everyone is still wearing monochromatic outfits. And let me just tell you, so I have a lime green dress and I almost wore it tonight. Oh, that would have been great. That would have been great. I almost wore it tonight, but I was actually like so sickened by the color. I was so sickened by the color from last night. And I want to really talk about that mesh hanging thing.

10:37that. Yes, there it is right there. Very upsetting. Okay, there's two. Also. What is that? I thought that was like a cat carrier. No, I had storage. I think it's storage of some sort. Jason. What? No. No? So you're saying you just put your hand in and grab. You're like, oh, look, it's right near the door. So you walk in, you put your wallet and your keys in one hole, your phone in another hole. I don't know, guys. But one is so high up that you couldn't even get to. Guys, was this apartment one of the actors' apartment and that's what they're living in? Because I don't think they would have had the budget to paint that.

11:15I feel like somebody, and this is what I mean about real adult people. I think they had to have painted it just because the green is so tethered to who she is. I think they worked backwards. I think they worked backwards from the apartment. I really do. This is a location-specific movie.

11:33Jason Mantzoukas:Do you think that the green was about the jade? Because jade comes into play at one point. They go on an excursion to the jade museum where we just go to a jade museum for a second and then never refer to it again. But I think there's something about the luck of jade. Like jade is a lucky color. I felt like now forgive me if you guys didn't agree, but Paul, and I don't know what pictures or stills you have. Yeah. Can anybody tell me what was the shape of her bed? A heart shape. I didn't even say hair. I thought it was a leaf. And I thought it was green. Like green was meant to be life and like a tree.

12:13Like it seemed to me like this was like a leaf of some sort. But maybe you're right and it's a heart and I'm just wrong. I hear what you're saying. Like it almost looked like a chestnut. It didn't look enough like a heart. And what was so fascinating to me about this bed choice is she set up as like a super kind of frigid doesn't you know when she has her first sex scene with the dog um a line that has never been uttered in this podcast 11 years probably never will again listen it got me thinking and I do want to open this up for discussion to my dear friends who are on on the show with us but it did get me thinking like if my dog was a man would I have sex with him No.

12:59And I do think with Meatball, the answer's no. Yeah, because Meatball is your dad. No, let me ask you. Meatball is, yeah. Meatball is your uncle, he's your dad, he's your coach. But I do think there are dogs that are handsome. Wow. Now, let me ask you this. Wait a second. I've got a real question. Yes. Because my real question is, if Meatball turned into a man forever, could you love that man? but if he turned back and forth every night, so part of the time you were spending with him, he was still a dog. I get it. This is the frog prince. You were still picking up his shit. But you kiss a frog.

13:41You would have to pick up his shit and put it into a bag. Yes. She's not picking up shit. All day long, you're picking up his shit and then he turns into a guy, but only at night? That would be, that would really mess with my mind. Well, in some ways, I feel like this woman has so many good choices presented to her. Like, I'm sorry, but even like the option that Kyle gives her, knowing what we do about how her life ends up, which is that she spends honestly the bulk of her childbearing years, the bulk of her life waiting for this man to come back as a man and not be a dog anymore. like she should have taken the Kyle deal.

14:17And I guess we'll get into Kyle now, but when he offers her a lifetime of basically just being a beard, like she should have taken that and then waited, you know, and even having Prince as a dog during the day and a man at night, given the personality of who Prince is as a man, I don't think it's a terrible situation for her. Okay. Hold on. I don't know. I could make that work. I could make it work. If this was good enough, I could make it work. Of course. I mean, you could make it work. You could make it work. You could make it work. And why not? We've got ourselves a half of a lady hawk here, you know, which is one of my favorite of all time movies that we've never done, which is Rutger Hauer is a wolf at night while Michelle Pfeiffer is Michelle Pfeiffer.

15:07And Michelle Pfeiffer is a hawk during the day while Rutger Hauer is Rutger Hauer. The difference, Jason, is like everybody needs and should have a dog as far as I'm concerned. Got it. Yes, of course. OK, so like there are needs being met by both the dog version of Prince and the man version of Prince. Also, just remember Ina Garden, Jeffrey, he's away from Monday to Thursday. That works out great. And she's got a roast chicken for him on Friday. The Barefoot Contessa? That's right. Wait, her husband relationship goals? She has a husband. Yes. Hashtag. I really, they're everybody's relationship goals and he's not there ever during the week because he's a professor at Yale.

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19:31Except for the songs that the dog makes up. I'm a dog driving in a car. Okay. Yes. This is the kind, this I could talk about forever. But that sounds like the kind of movies, that kind of sound, honestly, Jason, those are the kind of songs you come up with. Those are, I could have, I'm like. Drive with Jason. Those are the kind of songs he sings. It's exactly like improv songs. When you make up songs that are just, it felt to me like whoever's doing that bit is watching the movie and just singing what they're seeing.

20:00Jason Mantzoukas:Oh, by the way, the person who played the dog is Stephen Kramer Glickman. And he is a improviser and a comedian. And we'll get into how he got involved with this. But I believe very much they just turned a mic on and let him go. caught that magic. But it's not the same actor as the actor? You didn't know that, Jason? They have completely different voices and personalities. I'm going to be honest, guys. I didn't pay that attention. I didn't pay enough attention. Jason is a narcissist. The man who voiced the dog was like a completely different voice. And not only that, but personality. But that's what I don't understand.

20:42Isn't it the same person?

20:44Jason Mantzoukas:it is but they didn't allegedly but yes but the personality of the dog was completely different than the personality of the man the dog hated this woman and was using her a pizza face cement block a cinder block yeah like and and and the the prince was a sweet uh gentle man who i wanted to have a foreign accent but he didn't or maybe he hid it well but i i feel like like he he looked not as even, I just feel like he was a little more dull than the dog. The dog was real cutting, like very Rodney Dangerfield kind of material. He was a misogynist. The dog hated women. The dog is a douche, right? The dog's personality is like, but I think they were trying to go off of he had been a playboy or whatever the guy says.

21:36He had been a playboy and he had been punished so that the dog was trying to embody that kind of, Like what he he's just like crass and crude. And he's a girls, girls. We were all the girls. Here's a girl. There's a girl doodly do. You know, and like that's the kind of stuff that happens in the movie. But here. OK, but here's my problem. First of all, like Lisa, Lisa is no prize. OK, OK. They did her dirty, though, because Lisa was wearing a haircut. Now, I think we realized later on that they put extensions in. They made her cut a bob and then they put extensions in. Those were not extensions, June.

22:20That was like a clip-in piece. Okay. It was a clip-in. Yes, but it was more hair that they put in to make her hair look longer so they could do that time jump, I guess. But I'm like, if someone walked down the street with that haircut, I would. They were mentally unwell.

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22:39Jason Mantzoukas:Wow. I would ask them what they needed. Oh, yeah, I could help. No, because it was she looked so deranged. And then what was really upsetting is when she cut it off and got the bob and we've cut time now. And now they're in a relationship. Even her bob had crazy layers. Like we couldn't get away from the craziest layers I ever did see. Now, I thought her hair did a giant upgrade in the time lapse. And I feel like the dog, I think the dog kind of made her a little bit more like she was a little more dowdy. Like we meet her and she is completely she's a virgin who wants to find true love and is immediately pulled into these very bizarre relationships.

23:23Jason Mantzoukas:I mean, she's pulled into two relationships that are three, three because of the creepy boss. The question is, what do these people or dogs and or dogs see in Lisa? Well, they're not. They're not. What am I missing? Well, I mean, come on. None of these guys. I mean, everybody. What about Kyle? I love Kyle. You're so obsessed with Kyle. I love Kyle. Lisa is like her best friend's like, go out with Kyle. He's rich. You'll go to Paris. And she's like, OK. And she didn't like Kyle for Kyle. She said, oh, he's like an uncle. Like, I didn't even feel like they got along. But then when, like, when Kyle does a scene, can I play the scene where Kyle confesses that he's.

24:06Jason Mantzoukas:Please, please. Here we go. This is, this is Kyle confessing to him that, you know, here we go. Will you marry me? No, don't, don't get me wrong. It'll be a name only. Name only. After we're married, you'll still be free. You can date anyone you want. I mean, you can sleep with anyone you like. No. I don't mean to be rude, but... Hair is bad. Layers. Layers. The hair is so bad. No, I'm sorry. That painting we need to discuss as well. Oh, yes. I'm not attracted to any woman. All my relationships are with men. Kyle is the best actor in this movie. Oh, yeah. He's amazing. Kyle took this to his acting teacher, and they worked it and they worked it.

24:57And he did a great fucking job. And he did a great job. And he's taking it moment to moment. He's right there with her. Beautiful moment to moment work. He's right there with her. That's the best scene in the movie. But then, but why is she so upset? You could argue Kyle has the most interesting emotional arc. I was so compelled.

25:13Jason Mantzoukas:And by the way, you could also, just so the audience knows, Kyle leaves about at moment 12 and we never see him again. None of the creeps. The whole first act is Kyle, Mark, and Frank, like the three creeps. Creep parade. Yeah, like creep parade. And then they all disappear because she falls in love with a dog. Who is also a creep. Because, by the way, the dog is a creep too. Oh, the dog is a fucking creep from minute one. From minute one, the dog is a girl. Girls, gotta find girls. And a guy comes up and starts pointing to him. He goes, hey, I'm not gay. And it's like, what's happening? right now.

25:51The dog is a homophobic douchebag. He's a homophobic misogynist asshole. He's a sexual predator. Is there such a thing as toxic as toxic caninity? Caninity? Yes. Toxic caninity? Yes, and I do think our dog Meatball, I've said this to you, Jessica, is absolutely misogynist and very toxic in his own right. I agree that Meatball could be very... Meatball is? A staunch defender of the patriarchy he's a conservative he is as red as they help no offense but your dog texts me a lot

26:27Jason Mantzoukas:of maga stuff oh he's full q by the way where was he a lot of where was he on january 6th we didn't see him i am too scared to ask we like he we thought he was with a walker but he didn't come home for a couple days it was weird it was very weird so i do and he came home with a bunch of Nancy Pelosi's paperwork. I don't know. I kept it just for, you know, because I just am a fan, but I kept, yeah, it is. It was odd. Yeah. So I do understand, like, what I was upset about to see was to see a golden retriever represented that way. I mean, because to me, that's just that. They're childlike. That's joyful.

27:05Yeah, that doesn't make sense. You know, there's not a bad bone. You never meet a golden retriever or a lab that's a dick. No. You just don't. Well, I mean. I expect that behavior from him, you know, and that's his.

27:17Jason Mantzoukas:His name is Prince, right? I don't know if he was a prince who was a playboy or just she named him Prince, whatever the case may be. This is just because of the princess and the frog, right? That's that's what this is, because. And I thought we were talking Beauty and the Beast. You're right. It is Beauty and the Beast. But without the I mean, the dog frog is. I got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, we don't get a tongue kissing of a dog. and our lead actress. Even though you said you wanted it. Remember when she wakes up with the dog in the bed? That's actually the most disturbing cut. I found this movie to be like, how do I say it?

27:57Jason Mantzoukas:Incredibly sexual. Like it felt very horny. Yes. The dog itself? Yes. In a terrible way. No, the whole movie. Oh, yeah. In a terrible way. Like in a terrible way. Yeah, it's like you don't feel good about yourself. No, like you were watching like a tape of a voyeur who was taping passionate people. Well, a lot of the shots are from above, are from the ceiling, and I don't know why. Like, it's surveillance footage. Well, it's like all of the beats. It's like the whole movie is going, you want to fuck a dog? Yes. You want to fuck a dog? No, I feel, see, I disagree with you, because I think the movie is, this dog wants to fuck you?

28:35This dog wants to fuck you? Like, because we're often inside the dog's head. We never have interiority for Lisa. We have interiority for the dog.

28:47Jason Mantzoukas:And the dog's like, oh, gimme, gimme, gimme. What if the interior voice of Lisa was like Judy Tenuta? Like, ah, men are pigs. Their inner cells are just like these really aggressive voices. Okay, what I couldn't understand is there is another actress in this movie who is giving us everything and then some. And her character's name is Paula. Paula. Best friend Paula. Rita as well. Rita as well is. Rita's incredible. But I'm like, why isn't Paula the lead? Like, she's an arresting, charming, vivacious. She looks great in hot pink. I can't take my eyes off of her. And I'm forced to follow Lisa the whole movie.

29:33Well, yeah, I mean, but it also seems like, again, like.

29:36Jason Mantzoukas:So upset. I feel like the script did her dirty because they made her a character. They made her a character who not only has no agency, but everybody is telling her she's like not living life. And so she's not. But yet she is this sexual object that every man wants to touch. Even the manager. When the manager goes, ooh, you got a spider on your back. He wants to get in there. You got a spider on your back routine. Have you girls ever had that happen to you? a guy come up to you and go, a spider on your back? A spider on your back. I wish. No. And he blew the whole wish. First, you got to throw a bunch of spiders on someone if you're going to do it.

30:15It's true. It's true. I have to say, I was very upset by Lisa's apartment and that mesh cat hanging thing, but I was even more distressed by that clothing department store that Lisa worked in. Oh my God. And the highways and byways of that store, the aisles, the mannequins, Okay. Every colors. I have a question about that. So Kyle, Kyle, who we all like. Love Kyle. Owner of the department store. Did he own it? He owned a few. He owned a few. That's what I was clarifying. Do not sleep on Kyle and what Kyle has done in his life to get where he is. I just was making sure. Okay, got it, got it. So here's what I didn't understand about Kyle, though, is that I did not understand.

30:58In the very beginning, we open up. There's a woman who I think comes back later on as an animal agent. the dog food she's a dog food owner same actress I'm so sorry she's the owner you're right she's a dog food owner who needs to cast her commercial no no she I signed with DTA I think that DTA

31:20Jason Mantzoukas:DTA is one of the premieres I know it was like Gersh or DTA you went with DTA that was surprising DTA has got all the good leads I will tell you this I think that that actress was playing a high powered executive for dog food. Right. Who was like. It's like a very, a very unfortunate name, dog food. Yes. I just want to say what was so interesting about Kyle and his department, and honestly his philosophy on department stores and retail. Yeah, we are back to Kyle dress. Is that in the opening scene when we first meet Lisa, that dog food owner is trying on a dress. Same dress. Oh, right. Same dress.

31:58Same dress she ends up wearing. Yes. Lovely choice. Love to call it back. But what's so weird is that dress, from my eye, looks like it fits just fine. Now, there's a salesman, I think it's the other guy that ends up. The creepy guy, the spider guy. The manager. Trying to assault her at one point. He tells her. June, may I just interrupt you for one brief moment. When she's trying the dress on in the store and says it's too big and they have to squeeze it over her, There are two wet fart sounds inserted into the movie. That's the most score this movie has is two raspberry wet farts. Like she fills her pants with liquid diarrhea.

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34:33You know, and back in action on a hot spot right now on my phone's hot spot. Paul Scheer is just. This is not the couple I thought would have the tech issues. You know what? This is so surprising. And I don't know what to say. I deserve an apology. Yeah, you do, Jess. Because this is honestly, this is like an act of God. This is the show. Just to go back, because the last thing the last thing I remember is discussing the fart noises that were laid in. And it's like, I want to say just reminded me like you're so vulnerable as an actor. Like we do the work because that woman is fucking amazing. She did a scene.

35:18Yes. She did a scene later on with the dog agent. Paul, do you want to jump in my frame?

35:24Jason Mantzoukas:Wait, you're on? Yeah, I'm on. Hey, you're on. I've been on, babe. Oh, wait a minute. Hold on. I'm on hot spot. I'm on hot spot. He's very upset. I'm so upset. I'm so upset for Paul. I'm on hot spot. We're doing it. Well, what I was going to say, though, is when I heard those fart noises, you know, it was such a reminder. Like, as an actor, you show up, you're trying to do the best you can do. You know, that woman was making choices later on in that talent scene. She had a beautiful scene with that talent agent where she was hilarious on the steps. And I thought. And then inside with the dog picking up the phones, you know, a lavender phone.

36:00Everybody's got a lavender phone. Indigo, babe. Indigo. Indigo. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Sorry. But I was like, this woman is great. Yeah. And by the way, that phone was not indigo. I actually agree with you. It was more blue. It was lavender. Yes. It was way too purple to be called Indigo. But I'm like, my God, as an actor, you know, you never know what they're going to do in post to you and your performance. It's humiliating. This poor woman. This poor woman was fucking humiliated. And for love on a leash. Yeah. It's like this isn't the, you know, Farrelly brothers. This is love on a leash. Here's my question.

36:42It's devastating to me. Do you think the movie was trying to insinuate that the dress was too tight, but for those two toots? And once she got rid of those two farts, the dress fit perfect. Oh my God. The dress fit like a dream. So she's like, oh, it's too tight. She's like, oh, it fits good. I'm going to go meet my husband. Okay, see, I read it kind of a different way. Or maybe we're saying the same thing, but just slightly different, which was that those the tightness of the dress let out those two. Squeeze them out. Yeah. As she was getting it over her butt. Kind of the same. It's kind of the same.

37:29Six of one, half dozen of another. It's like with Spanx, like the fat has to go somewhere at a certain point. And that's always been my critique of Spanx. But here's what I don't understand. Okay, going back to Kyle, like to spend a little more time on Kyle. What is going on? June, I have a real question for you, June. Have you been in touch with Kyle? No. Have you at all? No, but at one point I thought, did Kyle direct this movie? Because his style of acting and his sort of, you know, vibe, I was like, now once I found out his character was gay and I was like, oh, that's what sort of he was bringing this.

38:11He was bringing a different texture to the movie performance wise. Oh, yeah. And I didn't know what it was. But so at one point I thought he was the director. But Kyle, OK, Kyle's response. So what happens with that tight dress and those toots is that Lisa comes over because this woman is being sold that dress. And Lisa comes over and says, no, no, no, no. Don't get this one. and get it two sides. I can't sell this to you. I can't sell this to you, she says. I can't sell this to you. It's too tight. Yes. Right. And I'm a little bit like as a customer, you know, putting my customer. Don't fucking tell me it's too tight.

38:51No, don't. Who the fuck are you? Who the fuck are you? Oh, God, where is Paul? Oh, look at this.

38:59Jason Mantzoukas:I am on my phone right now because I've been trying to reset the internet. so that's where I'm at I don't know do we refund tickets? I mean what do we do? No we're doing the show we're here we're gonna get it going Don't we are the words refund the tickets? Sorry I didn't take it back I didn't take it back What are you doing? We should double price this is so Honestly you're right people should pay more You're so lucky What about when the mom calls and she's in In silhouette In silhouette In darkness Like Norman Bates movie whatever that movie is Molly can you play that like play this moment because this is actually a great little moment We're gonna try to play clips now?

39:34What is going to do? Get ready. There's no clips. There's no more clips, babe. Oh, God. I got it. I got the whole thing. Don't worry about it. This is so dark. I hear that you're dating two guys at the same time. Terrifying. She's in a rocket ship. What a creep. So what? What I mean is. Weird angle. You should date four or five guys at the same time. This is scary. Not just two. Why? What? What? How old is Lisa slash Paula, because they seem to be peers? How old are they meant to be, do you think? Yeah. Because they talk about their virginity, or at least Lisa's virginity. You know, they seem to be horny like teenagers in a way.

40:17I mean, at least Paula is. Listen, you don't have a heart-shaped bed if you're a virgin. Unless it's a leaf-shaped bed. It's a leaf-shaped bed or a chestnut. Or a chestnut-shaped bed. Or a chestnut-shaped bed, then you're absolutely a virgin. But if that's a heart-shaped bed, like...

41:00a leash and it gets kind of kinky in a way because you're like oh is this going to be their kink or is this just a leash for the dog that he is sometimes yeah this is also a thing this is some nuts level stuff thank you molly so they take okay what's so amazing about this go back to that other picture that first one i had a question yeah go ahead who are you gonna ask who took these photos? Thank you. Thank you. In the world of a movie, who took these photos? Because it's a photo. It's a photo. This isn't a live shot. These are photos. We know that because later on, old Lisa is showing old Paula her scrapbook.

41:45Holy shit. That includes these. It includes these pictures. It includes these pictures and then pages and pages of just pictures of the dog. What? What's happening? What is happening? Why is she in a veil? Why was she in a creepy wedding veil? Because I think this was their wedding night. That's what I want to know. They clearly get married. They get married. Well, they call each other husband and wife. They get married in their own way in an interspecies kind of ceremony, which I think this is, you know. She's always in a kitten heel. Look at that. Every single character in a kitten heel. I, oh man.

42:26So I can only imagine they set up a, that shoe really upset me actually, if we could just go back to that shoe, because that's not even a kitten heel. It's like a flip flop with a heel. It's a flip flop with a heel. It's very upsetting. Are we meant to believe, and this is not ageism, but that these, this is the sexual fantasy of an 80 year old woman brought to screen. Wow, Jazz. Because there's, you know, especially even that photo shoot. I think it is the fantasy of like a riff on a fairy tale kind of, you know, the woebegone princess whose prince is missing and he's been cursed by this and that.

43:10And the only true love is kiss, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, I think it is. It's very, but it is. It's also super horny. Like, I feel like. A leash on a man and making him eat from a dog bowl and stuff. I do think that we're seeing like a gram, a granny's like what's making a granny hot. And that question is that maybe you want to fuck. You think it's like, oh, you want to fuck a dog or do you? Is it that you want to you want to treat a man like he's a dog? And in this instance, it is just it is just it is just actually actualized as the dog. Yeah. Well, yes. I do think what we're toying with and what we're playing with, I actually think I have to say quite honestly, I think there's a good movie in here.

43:56I think that there's like a romantic comedy in here that works quite well. It's, oh, Paul's back.

44:04Jason Mantzoukas:I'm fully back. Now, let me just tell you one thing. You missed the thing. They set up a camera on a timer to take those pictures of them. We all knew that. That's the first shot in the montage, which I have right here. Oh, they explain it. Yeah, that's one thing that they really do explain, but it's in this one moment. That they would go out of their way to explain that, but not all the other magic. Paul, I'm only angry, Paul, that you didn't rejoin the show from the sauna bed. Oh, I thought I would have loved that. Look, you know, I thought I could pull it out in that moment. I thought it could be.

44:37Jason Mantzoukas:Now, I do have a question about this, though, this photo thing. Did they get married in that moment? We didn't discuss that. They seem to have, because from then on, they refer to each other as husband and wife repeatedly. Again, they did their own private ceremony. And, you know, in a way, I appreciate that about them, that they're like, we don't need the state involved. You know, we don't need - Is she marrying a dog or is she marrying a man? Well, that's the thing is, they had to get married at night in those photos, so he's a man. But during the day, is she at the park with the dog saying, this is my husband, Prince?

45:14Jason Mantzoukas:but yet he tells us early in the film. I do refer to Meatball as my husband. Interesting. What? Interesting. You're halfway to Lisa, June. You're halfway to Lisa. No. But I will say that why - Maybe that's why I had such a bad reaction to her. I saw myself. Too close. Too close. When they did say like, I'm going to name you Prince, at no point did he go, no, actually my name is Alvin Fang because that's what he did tell, like we hear the dog say, my name is Alvin Fang. Wait, what? The dog says his name is Alvin Fang. I'm so sorry. What? What are you talking about? I'm so happy that I got back in on this because I know a lot more.

45:52Jason Mantzoukas:Oh, the show? You mean the show? I don't know where you were. You're so happy you were able to rejoin the show? I literally was down in wires. And just tell me, should I switch to Wi-Fi? Because I'm paying for this hotspot, baby. Hotspot? You don't even understand. You're not paying for it. You got a hotspot? I think you do pay for hotspots. But I want to tell you this. So when she's naming him, he goes, my name's not Prince. It's Alvin. Alvin Fang. Huh. Then why doesn't he correct her when he becomes a man? I don't know. Well, the whole time I was like, is when he's a human, a man, is he trying to fake it?

46:28Like fake being a nice person? Because the moment he goes back to being a dog, he's like, you know, he's learning. Same question. Jason, that's what the movie wants you to think. is that he's learning to become a better, that's all. But, well, but it's complicated, right? Because, well, because I really did want to know, I felt that he was falling for her. I felt that their love was real. And then every time he became a dog, I was like, oh. Well, I have just found out. I don't know what to believe. I've just found out that it's two different actors, right? Well, yeah, yeah, that was news to you.

47:02You didn't know that. So now that makes more sense, because clearly the man acting, the actor in the movie was performing the arc of you are a playboy who really falls in love and has a transformative experience through your relationship with Lisa. And the man voicing the dog was just riffing on dog misogynist.

47:23Jason Mantzoukas:It was almost like he was Mystery Science Theater 3000ing the movie. What did I say? Toxic caninity? Caninity? Caninity? By the way, maybe this is a good chance for me to just tease that we do have a video from Stephen Kramer Glickman, who played Alvin Fang, a.k.a. the dog in voiceover. And he will tell us how he got into this role and all the ins and outs and how he was paid and all of that. But I will say this. That dog seemingly was truly earnest and loved her and wanted to provide for her and made that dog food. He jumped through hoops. Not literally. He also calls her pizza face cinder block.

48:09Well, no, no. That's a dog. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I thought that's what we were talking about.

48:13Jason Mantzoukas:The human. Sorry. They're all the dog. It's hard. The human. Wait, wait, wait. Hold on one second. The dog and the human are the same soul, though. I don't think so. If there was a soul, perhaps. OK, the dog and the human are the same entity. They are. Yes. So, Paul, you're describing them like because because I actually was like, I don't think this dog or human wants Prince or Alvin Fang. I don't think they actually want to pursue a career in entertainment to provide for Lisa. I think he wants to be a star. Okay. Oh, I don't think so. Oh, wow. I don't think so because doesn't the, okay, hold on a second.

48:57Doesn't the magic water tell him that he's supposed to take care of her? Like demonstrate, demonstrate that you can take care of her and sacrifice. But before that, Jason, before way before that, he saw that business card.

49:14Jason Mantzoukas:Oh yes, for sure. From picking out the outfits. from the talent agent side. And you could tell there was a twinkle in his eye and he caught the bug. The acting bug. He didn't seem to want to go back to acting, but I will say at the end of the movie. He gives her the money. Well, for him, it's not about the money. It's about like just the ego of being a dog star. In front of the screen. Yeah. Should we see his, I mean, should we see his work as a dog actor? I'd love to see it. Sure. Yeah, all right. So as Jessica said. By the way, this dog actor is wonderful. Do you, I mean, But you have to ask yourself, I agree.

49:48You have to ask yourself, the dog didn't pursue this job. The dog doesn't know what it's doing. This poor dog is like, this dog is like. Listen, Jason, I have lots of feelings on that. You know, the dog didn't consent to be in this movie, you know? Oh, you're talking about dog rights? When he got hit by a car. That was so upsetting.

50:10Jason Mantzoukas:The only blooper that they show. They show bloopers at the end of this movie. Holy shit. They show a blooper of the moment when the dog was hit by the car, which he wasn't really hit by the car, but the blooper is a bloody dog post car hit. I could not believe, but I couldn't even believe before the bloopers that they had a shot of that dog on the side of the road with a bloody head. And then them trying to make the dog get in the pool. The dog doesn't want to get in the pool. Those are not bloopers. That is an outtake of bad training. That is evidence in a court case. Back to how to attract the opposite sex.

50:49Jason Mantzoukas:Because did you think that Frank did a good job flirting by pretending he was married? Is that a good move? Frank pretended he was married? Yes. Frank comes in and says he's looking for something for his wife. But he describes, he says, also, if I'm working in a retail establishment and someone comes up and says, is your name Jason? I'm like, no. I'm out. The answer is no. You should not know. Customer, you should not know my name. When I worked at The Gap after high school, if somebody came in and said, hey, are you Jason? I would have been like, nope. My name's Gary. See you later, weirdo. You should not know that.

51:29Totally. That's a good tip. I had no idea you worked at The Gap, by the way. You worked at The Gap during like. Oh, Prime Gap. The Reality Bites time. That's what Janine Ruffalo does in Reality Bites time. Very similar time. At the Liberty Tree Mall. Have you taken those folding skills and do you use them in your own life? Oh, June, I did. And I do. He does. My packing cubes. My packing cubes. Yes, I use packing cubes. Flawless. See, I can't get to that. You did the, you, Jason used packing cubes before anybody knew about them. The Eagle Creek. I thought they just started making them. I just started, I thought they were doing new things.

52:05I don't get them. I want to like them, but I don't get them. I will give you a full blown walkthrough if you want. I would love it. Six years ago, he was using the cube. Listen, here's where they come in handy. They come in handy when you're putting together a packing cube of socks and, like, underwear. Chargers? Because then what you do is you just take the cube. Well, let me just riddle me this. You just take the cube and you put it right in the drawer. You don't need to unpack anything. It's already in. How about this? You don't even have to take them out of the suitcase because they're puzzle pieced in perfectly.

52:34You just unzip them and you have access to everything that's right there in your suitcase. Oh, I don't want to live out of a suitcase. And the drawers don't give you bedbugs. I'm a big packing cube guy Peak Designs packing cubes By the way

52:46Jason Mantzoukas:I also have bought them I just haven't figured out how to use them I watch the way that June uses them and I don't like it No no no you have to fold your clothes To the shape of the cube That's the deal That's the deal I will do 20 minutes just about packing cubes I would take it all That's my Patreon show Honestly I would pay to watch it It's called Zook's Cubes It's called Zook's Cubes. And here we go. We are talking about ads right now. So I think it's a good chance for us to watch the dog Prince's acting debut in a dog food commercial that he does behind the back of Lisa. And he's trying to hide it from Lisa, but it's a national commercial.

53:27Jason Mantzoukas:You can't hide it from Lisa because she's always watching TV. So here we go.

53:37Look at that lower layer. it's so upsetting so upsetting China Girl Prince is that you?

53:45Jason Mantzoukas:it's time for you to know I fight crime with ninjas is that how you oh I never I just noticed that lava lamp a green a lime green lava lamp is in frame yeah green everywhere but now so it is China Girl I realized I said there's no music in the movie that I think is the only time we hear music which is it's just from the commercial yeah which is isn't it a david bowie song yeah yeah and how did they get the rights to that they didn't they i don't think this movie was released not yes okay all right so and honestly that might have been what shut down our internet might might have been i have to say if my and and jessica i'm curious how you feel about this but um if if i felt like meatball was having a good now I did do one professional photo shoot with me Paul with photos with Paul those photos will be released within the next few months hopefully wonderful be a calendar have we approved those photos I will talk to you about that later there's a few things happening there but there are some photos that we took with me Paul and I did feel like he had a great time you know and it was a time to connect and it was a time to have people you don't think so we didn't No.

55:06Doesn't seem like Meatball really likes to move around. And that's always a challenge. So the fact that you took him to a different location, he probably wasn't having the great time. But I guess I think if my dog, if my dog was going to make, or if I was going to make money for Meatball being in a commercial and I felt like he was having an okay time and the hours were decent and nothing, you know, was going to happen to him, I think I would put him in just because it would be fun.

55:33Jason Mantzoukas:But it would be more equivalent of me doing a commercial. How do you mean? Because it's not her dog. It's her husband. I'm okay with you doing a commercial. I know what you're saying. I guess I'm just wondering. I'm okay with you doing a commercial. I'm okay with everyone on this live stream doing a commercial. I guess I'm just trying to really think through. Would I be okay with Meatball making money out in the world? I wouldn't want to rely on it. I understand. I'm just right now, Paul. I'm just talking about Meatball. But she's upset because he lied to her. Okay. Is that why she's upset? Well, it seems like a perfectly reasonable way for him to make money and the only way he can make money.

56:16Agree. And she first accuses him of stealing. Remember when he. That's right. Because he has cash on him and he's purchased her address. Meanwhile, that talent agent,

56:25Jason Mantzoukas:we are to assume that that talent agent gave him a wad of$100 bills in his mouth, in his collar. And then just left him. Remember he says, he calls the guy and he says, the dog will be there in the morning for the shoot. Just pay the dog. Give the money to the dog. Yes. Can you imagine that exchange? How does the dog fill out a W-9? Like, what's going to happen? Also, by the way, the talent agent and the director of China Dog Food Company talk to him like, oh my God, thank God you're here. Okay, great. So here's the premise of it. Like, they don't even treat him like - Like a dog. A dog. And they don't even ask, like, where's your handler?

57:02You know?

57:03Jason Mantzoukas:No, the one talent that he has seemingly has nothing to do with what the commercial needs to be done, which is simply, like, the dog can pick out dresses. That's the dog's talent. Like, it should have been, like, China doll outfit company or something like that. That's tricky, too. Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah. So, 100%, I'm just going with, yeah. Guys, I'm just going back to my notes. I'm going back to my notes, which I have, again, barely referenced so far. The night that they have sex for the first time. Okay. Yes. As it's fading out to their kind of sex sounds, all you hear is him saying, I'm sorry.

57:42Yes. I'm sorry.

57:44Jason Mantzoukas:Yes. I forgot about that, Jason. That is what I said to June. He goes, I'm sorry. I didn't hear it, but Paul heard it. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Is that because his dick is so big? I'm sorry. His dog dick is so big? What? It was so quiet. I think it was because it was her first time. It was like this. I thought it was possibly because he's a dog. His penis is huge, big, really big. Because dogs have big penis. I'm sorry. I don't know. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. It was chilling. That moment was chilling. It really was. Because here it's like a fantasy fulfilled in a way. But the movie is telling us it's not good.

58:28It's painful. For her. It's painful for her. Does he have a dog dick? That's what I said. That he's got a big old dog dong. Wait a minute.

58:36Jason Mantzoukas:A dog's dick is smaller than a male? What are you talking about? Maybe because. What's your dog's deal, man? I saw your dog, Jess. That dog is not going to. That's not a male dog, first of all. He's got one of those big dog dicks. Oh, you know what? You know him. He's got one of those big old dog dicks. Big old dog dicks. Dogs don't have notoriously big dicks. No, and I've only seen Meatball's dick like three times, and I want it to throw up every single time. If anything, it would be like a lipstick or it's a red lipstick. It is a red lipstick. I hate it every second. Should I pull an image of that up on the other?

59:15No, Paul, no. I just wondered if maybe in translation from beast to man, something got or maybe again like maybe we're meant to believe that he's the perfect man and that's and that's somebody who's very I think more than the size of his dick I think that what was happening is that she is a virgin that's why she was so giggly and so kind of like I think you're right she was a virgin it was painful and that's why he was saying I'm sorry I think you're right and that makes more sense that didn't occur to me I was more like Like, why would this be the sex talk that they're doing? But of course, that makes entirely all the sense in the world.

59:57Jason Mantzoukas:I mean, it was still very disturbing. Can I tell you who I wanted to have sex, though? I wanted Rita and the dog to have sex because I felt like Rita had this. And that was why I'm saying this movie felt sexual. You wanted Rita and Prince to have sex. You wanted them to make out at one point. I did. Wait, Rita, can I ask you, how is Rita related to... Rita's the mom's friend. She's just like a gypsy. Family friend, yeah. When she runs, I thought she was like a fortune teller and she was putting spells on men to like suck them in. Rita's one of those characters though. Like my mom had a lot of women in her life, specifically one that I remember.

1:00:36You know, when you're a part of a lot of different AA programs or Al-Anons or that sort of thing, you run into quite a cast of characters. And Rita's. Rita's to me, I saw a lot of Rita's in my childhood. But Rita to me was like, oh, it's one of your mom's friends who's too involved, who doesn't have a family of her own that she has any connection to at this point. Like she's burned so many bridges.

1:01:04Jason Mantzoukas:Well, probably because she was a professional runner. Right. And she was focused on track. Her investment in Lisa and Lisa's love life is so bizarre. She pays those men. She pays those men to come up and show interest in her. Yeah. She's like a matchmaker. Which almost becomes like a gangbang on the dance floor. It's terrifying. Thousand percent. It's really scary. It feels like one of those things where Rita is trying to fulfill her own fantasy, but project it onto Lisa. Absolutely. It's unasked for. Lisa is like, please stop. And Rita is like, actually more. And but Rita is also like, don't fall in love with who you love.

1:01:45Jason Mantzoukas:Fall in love with somebody that I set you up with because I know better than you. Because Rita is out to like unravel Prince. Like she is trying to uncover him as this other thing. Well, because also I think Rita's really, listen, Lisa's mom doesn't want Lisa to make the same mistakes she made. OK, well, I mean, that's I mean, and that's understandable. Lisa's dad, not in the picture, not even referenced, right? Left her on, not on the wedding day, which is what you hear about, you know, often. Left her on the day they were going to get their marriage certificate. You know what I love? Just the paperwork was going to go through.

1:02:25You know, that's when he bounced. That's when he wasn't there. That's when he bounced.

1:02:30Jason Mantzoukas:I will say one thing, too. Just going back to Lisa not being a good person. First of all, she agrees to this weird setup with Kyle where her friends like go and just buy dresses and go to Paris and all that sort of stuff. And then she takes the dog in multiple times in this movie. She's like, get out of here. Like, go. Like, she's not a good dog. I'm like, can you take this dog for a walk? Can you pet him? She seems to not want that dog. Like, that's what's so weird about the movie is that their meet cute dog, Prince and Lisa is so like we don't for a second think that these two, this animal and person should be together.

1:03:12He doesn't help her really in any way. Like, it's also not special. It's not special because he's trying to get with every girl in the park. Yes He's trying to get with every girl in the park And he just like Has enough interactions with Lisa That it ends up as her Well now by the way

1:03:31Jason Mantzoukas:Let's see them arguing in the park What is wrong with you? I'm in a bad mood Don't make it worse He's just sitting there Why are you treating me like that? And if I saw that woman I would think she was on A couple times I've been in a Target and I've seen someone who's clearly on meth, that's what I would think. If I saw that woman talking to her dog going, what's wrong with you? I'm in a bad mood. I'd be like, that woman is ODing on meth. I don't report her. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, in a toxic relationship with this dog, I think we should save a little bit of our conversation about the end couple of minutes for a few moments later.

1:04:12Jason Mantzoukas:And let's go to some questions from the audience because I think the chat - Can I just mention one more thing? I'm still here. Very briefly. When the guy, when he's a man and he asks about the dog talent agent and Lisa kind of brushes him off, he rifles around and finds in her drawers a stack of business cards that is dozens thick. Where is, who is giving Lisa all these business cards? All these dudes who want to fuck her. Then we cut to afterwards the woman we mentioned who farts in the dress and the dog talent agent from DTA, dog talent agents. And he's showing her headshots of dogs for the dog food commercial, which are not headshots.

1:04:50They are just photos. And she describes one of the dogs as too ethnic. Why was that? What's happening? That's very upsetting. What's happening? Too ethnic. That is what casting directors say about me. They don't say that about a dog.

1:05:05Jason Mantzoukas:she says oh my oh by the way i just have a good slogan for dta you bark we bite that's good babe that's good are you trying wait are you you know it's not a real company i'm just saying if you wanted to have a t-shirt dog talent agent see a swag shirt you bark we bite yeah like it's like you want somebody that to fight for you you do your thing we do our thing together we're a dog talent agent. Wait, can I just before we move on, there is one scene that I believe is actually the scariest of all because it feels like a scene from Handmaid's Tale, which I will never watch. When she goes, when she has the sit down with which mother who is a gynecologist and a nutritionist.

1:05:50Jason Mantzoukas:Oh, I have that scene. I have no idea what you're talking about right now. This is Frank's mom. Oh, the gynecologist? God. Yes. Oh my God. Here we go. Migrants. His son is only 10 years old. This is terrifying. And we're very anxious to find a stepmother for him. I've heard that you love children. Yes, I do. This child has been raised using the latest scientific technology in nutrition, education, and psychology. Look how tired she is. He has an IQ of 170. She's been kept up all night in a basement. Wow, what a smart child. Of course. and to be certain that he grows up to become president of the United States, we must ask a specific request to any prospective stepmother.

1:06:36She cannot have any children of her own. No children? Yes. Furthermore, in order for her to not become pregnant, she must agree to have her tubes tied before the marriage. this could be like a Blumhouse horror movie that's what I'm saying this movie is yes that's like a that is like that could be like a like when we did Ladybugs David Lynch like this you could do it with this it only kind of works with this scene

1:07:08Jason Mantzoukas:because this scene is so weird no the whole movie the apartment everything this is one step away from an edgy A24 yes like indie film it's super fucking weird and disturbing and it's like It truly is an unnerving film. I have to say, I give this movie a lot of credit for the surprises. Oh, me too, Jules. That was a really big surprise for me. And that is a crazy witch. When a movie can give you this many surprises consistently throughout, they've done something right. That's right. A hundred percent. Okay, I just want to alert everyone that I got a message on my computer asking me to disconnect from my iPhone because the battery's low.

1:07:52Jason Mantzoukas:Here we go. So I don't like where, so I just want to alert everyone. Go back to Wi-Fi. Just go back to Wi-Fi. I still have so many. No, I have so much. I'm just going to do this. Yeah. What's this movie's timeline? Couldn't figure it out. Oh, that's what I said to Paul. I said, has it been, he's, Paul said that he thought some of the main action, like the bulk of the movie took place over like one week. How about when, how about when, it's almost like a vampire story too, because he, it's If it's a cloudy day, he can be a man, not a dog. But then his tail emerges when he's running away from Rita.

1:08:26That tail was problematic.

1:08:28Jason Mantzoukas:That tail was, that is like a, that is a furry thing. That's what you do. You wear a tail to attract other furries, but that's a subtle way of letting them know. Peeking out of his khakis. Is that true? By the way, oh, when, when he, when that moment happens, when he first turns into a full-fledged dog at that boss's, like when she's having lunch with the boss to be a manager of another department store. I love that that boss says, I wrote it down, I own over five stores. At that point, can't you say six, seven? Like, you wouldn't just say over five. So this is what's weird about that scene, though, because I was obsessed with that scene.

1:09:02And I was obsessed with his other children who didn't want to take over the legacy of his. One wanted to be an actor. Yeah. And he's like, she's like, I'm a doctor, dad.

1:09:13Jason Mantzoukas:I want to be a medical doctor. Yeah, a medical doctor. I was obsessed with that. What kind of doctors are there? I guess like a doctor of literature or, I mean, like, I guess. I mean, it doesn't seem like when you say a doctor, people assume like, oh, a philosophy? Like to really lead with medical doctor. Why does she throw herself into that pool in that scene? She just goes bananas and berserk and she tries to walk on water. Well, she doesn't know how to swim, Jess. I understand that. But is she trying to run to him? I thought that she couldn't run across a pool is what the only thing she was so shocked to see him turn into a dog.

1:09:53Now, listen, if you saw a grown man turn into a dog, what would you do? Like, I think I would try to make a phone call or alert someone. I think I would. Authorities. I would institutionalize myself. Yes. I would be like, OK, we're done, though. Which we should do after this call. The recording of this will be proof that we all need help.

1:10:14Jason Mantzoukas:I just realized something. I just got it. I just looked at Nate Kiley's research here. Nate Kiley just revealed that the version on the DVD does have a score. The version on Amazon Prime and Tubi removes all of the music, which means they probably didn't pay for it or something. So there is a score. And then the other piece of information that Nate has just dropped on us is that the dog in the movie is often switched out for similar looking dogs. Not like they're not of the same. They're not the same dog. It's just kind of like dogs that kind of look. It's like Mary-Kate and Ashley. But at least they are like twins.

1:10:51Jason Mantzoukas:But this is like, that would be like a, like I think they said golden retriever. So throughout the movie, there are different dogs because there's a lot of heat waves going on during the filming of this. Well, that's the least of our problems. I didn't notice it was a different dog. I didn't either. I didn't know that. But that's why there was no sound. I would like to now retract my criticism for the lack of, for the silent, as if it was a choice to be. without a score. So that's what happened. Okay, so that is not the filmmaker's intention. So, okay. Exactly. I feel better about that. Me too.

1:11:25Because it was confounding.

1:11:28Jason Mantzoukas:But now at the end, before you went back to Wi-Fi and joined us out of your hotspot world, June, we were talking about the end of the movie where the dog dies, is hit by a car, which we could see coming. I thought it was going to be a Romeo and Juliet ending. I thought they both were going to kill themselves. and then they would both miss out, but the dog died and he came back 30 years later after she quit her apartment. Yeah. Just very briefly, when he leaves, he writes her a note and it looks like a note written by a five-year-old scrawled in marker on like a big piece of construction paper.

1:12:03And it's like, good luck, I hope you're happy, whatever it says. Going back to be a dog. He is a dog. Like, I don't even know how he knows how to write, really. He used to be a man. He was a man. He was a man in the past. He hasn't used those skills in a while, though. But they say if you don't use certain parts of your brain, those things are gone forever. Wow. But June is giving him such a benefit of the doubt that I am genuinely shocked by. I mean, it's not like we're talking about Kyle here. If you haven't written your... Oh, believe me, he is no Kyle. If you haven't written in... I don't know how old that Golder Entriever is.

1:12:34Five years? If you haven't...

1:12:36Jason Mantzoukas:How do you think that that dog has been running around like that, not knowing? Well, you didn't even play the magic pawn. But I mean, this dog has been living his life. It didn't seem like it just happened either. It seemed like he has been in this purgatory. That's what I'm saying. He's been a dog for a while. You know, you don't use certain skills in life. You lose them. Like they say, if you don't speak for a while, you lose the muscle. It's a muscle. It's a muscle. I mean, can I just play the opening curse? I mean, here's a moment of the opening curse because we haven't done this. Girls, where are you?

1:13:10Oh, here is one. She is hot. Hey, watch me. That's messed up. It's because I'm a dog, isn't it? Oh, look. I really am a dog. Okay, watch this. Watch this guy check his own reflection out in the water now. I've got to find a way to change. You laughing at me, Water Pond? How dare you? if you're smarter than me then tell me how to change see you don't know either

1:13:46Jason Mantzoukas:this is come back when that happened when that happened come back i was like we are in for the best movie i've ever seen like he is mocking a water pond that then literally starts talking yeah did anyone think at a certain point in the movie that that mysterious pond lady was rita no no but i love that i thought i also thought to myself why don't we ever get an explanation of who the mysterious pawn voice is like doesn't it's like i think my mind was trying to answer that question and so i did you know make that lady rita i mean i had to i'll say this like we got we're getting great questions here and i'm going to kind of bring some of these up here uh people say this you know was prince cursed in this life or past life was he somebody of old uh lineage or was it something that happened to him a couple weeks ago because he seems to be living pretty happily as a homeless dog um and and he's called a playboy in his old life which seemed like it was kind of like an olden days thing but that's not this isn't a kate and leopold type of scenario.

1:14:58I mean, that was from MASH

1:15:00Jason Mantzoukas:and Canine Prozac, which is something that they want to, the dog offers himself in the movie. And is real. That's like a real thing. There are like antidepressants for dogs. Canine Prozac writes, was Alvin turned into a dog or was Prince the dog given human intelligence and the ability to turn into a human? Wait a second. Was Alvin turned into a dog or was Prince the dog given human intelligence? No, no. I think he says a curse was put upon him. He was too much of a playboy. A curse was put upon him that he would be a dog, which is what we call like a guy who like is a, is a, like gets around, he's a dog or whatever.

1:15:40So he's a dog in the next life until he can learn to appreciate and find true love. Right?

1:15:47Jason Mantzoukas:Right. Okay. That's what I thought too. I just, I'm just throwing it out there. We're trying to open up some questions. There's a lot of great questions here. Why is he a dick when he's in dog form and nice and human form? Now, is he lying? I mean, I think that that might be a film choice. Like they needed more jokes in the movie. I think it might be. I think like what we're toying with is this idea of like all men are dogs, you know? And even when you don't think they're dogs, I mean, what's her face? Paula says it early on at the park. Like they're just good for, you know. They're bad for you.

1:16:18She says they're bad, but they're good. But they're bad for you. They're dogs. They're good for a good time or something like that. Yeah. So I think that's where we're as an audience, like we are trying to figure that out. Like, is he a dog? Is he a dog? It's hard to root for them because it's pretty late in the movie when she falls into the pool. He rescues her, but he does call her pizza face cinder block. You're stuck on that. Yeah. And that really bothered me. I was like, I don't understand how at this point he can be still being this kind of hateful. That's my point. He's not learning at all.

1:16:58His dog self isn't learning at all.

1:17:00Jason Mantzoukas:He's mad at her because she forced him to embarrass himself. She's like, come, it's going to be cloudy. He's like, I don't want to do this. I don't feel comfortable. And she's like, please, for me. And he's like, listen to me, honey. I know this is not going to work well. And he gave of himself. okay and then he revealed himself he wrecked everything he's like here nothing but a pizza face cinder block like he hated her no it's that and that's a bad relationship well by the way why shouldn't she say that to this gentleman right here when he shows up 30 years later that's a segue why why did it take you so long and then we learned that he created his own business this man business set up his own dog training business and he goes which is very successful obviously i'm pretty famous at that.

1:17:45Jason Mantzoukas:So he's the same age until he magically is turned old in a moment, right? And why? Somebody asked, why is he allowed to do that? I don't know. Yeah, because he is just a human that was born, then he got really old, and then he gets really young for the last scene. Does he? Well, yeah, when they kiss. No, they're both old when they kiss. They both, no, they are both old, but then they turn young as they kiss, like Beauty and the Rocks. They do? Yes, that's the whole end. Wait, I missed that. Wow. Okay. So they get their life back. That's weird. And yet everyone they know is, is, is in their eighties.

1:18:23Jason Mantzoukas:All right. We are going to, we're going to bring in the dog guy in just a second, but before we bring in our dog guy, before we bring in Steven Kramer Glickman, we are going to see if there's a different way to look at this movie. If there perchance is a, a moment to reflect differently on it, it is now time for second opinions. You sent in these second opinions and there were so many great ones. uh this one uh right here is um from our friend rob from long island rob from long island always has a good song here we go love on a leash has a magical pond but it doesn't have any background music or sound effects if i say that i hate it it shouldn't come as a shock but if you gave it five stars you're a pizza face at cinder block these are five star reviews cold from amazon.com And look, are there really good five-star reviews for this movie?

1:19:13Jason Mantzoukas:No, they're creative. You know, so I'm going to read a five-star review to get the sense of it. But I will also say there's a controversy here that the director paid people to up the rating of this movie because it is a 96 audience score on Rotten Tomatoes. It also has. Yes. Yeah, it also has a, it has like a three out of eight of five stars on Amazon. So this is very high level. I think it's all done as a goof and a prank because a YouTuber told people to go there and do it. But I'll say Isaac K writes, absolutely insanity from the beginning to end. No music whatsoever. The whole movie is a strange, soundless void outside the voices of the actors and actresses.

1:19:56Jason Mantzoukas:The editing is very bad and the story jumps around like the film is having a seizure. Scenes begin and end seemingly at random. It jumps between day and night in some places. And the storyline is nonsensical to say the least. The dog is really the best character here. His inner monologue makes the movie strangely, despite claiming as a dog, his name is Alvin Flang. When he becomes human, he is named Prince and his name is that the owner gave him. I really can't put this into words how insane this film is. And I guarantee you will not see the end coming at all. With this insane plot twist, every two scenes, random dialogue, and a truly atrocious directing and editing style.

1:20:30Jason Mantzoukas:this is a very highly highly entertaining film from beginning to end it's a great way to kill an afternoon five stars you know wow i i think that that's a you know a fair a fair look but in the third opinions we get a little something different nick kiley always doing great research for us thank you nate and nate comes into the third opinions uh these are people who are angry David, like David Katchadorian, who reviewed this in 2019, he goes, if I could give this zero stars, I would. This is so bad. The only reason I started to watch it is because it set it at a 9.4 on IMDb and it was highly rated on Amazon.

1:21:12Jason Mantzoukas:It is obvious. The reviews above one star are somehow affiliated with this made on a camcorder movie. The sound is unbearable. The acting is high school production quality. and several shots are reused. You can hear when there is no audio track, there is no consistency in sound recording, and that was in the first seven minutes when I stopped watching it forever. One star. Good reviews are fake. Dave Karchasian. Wow. You really cracked the case. And then Jackie, just Jackie with a Y, writes, this movie makes no sense. Production is bad. Bad actors. Even the dog is a bad actor. One star. So people really took it on.

1:21:59Jason Mantzoukas:But now I want to give you a couple little pieces of information. Molly continued Nick Kiley's research and found out not only that our director is an octogenarian, but she appeared in the Joy Luck Club as an actress, Auntie No. 1. But there's a true love story here. A love story that we may not have seen coming is that Jana Camp now goes by Jana Camo because she married Anise Camo, the actor who played Prince, the human version of the dog. I was going to say they had real chemistry. Wow. They did. They had sexual chemistry. Yes, they did. And that is what challenged us about whether or not we wanted to fuck dogs because they looked like they were really getting into it.

1:22:48You can always tell when actors are kind of into it. And I was like, oh, these two are into it. I love this for them. Yeah, into it. I love it. I cook for them. God bless. God bless.

1:23:01Jason Mantzoukas:Now some words from Stephen Kramer Glickman. Stephen Kramer Glickman is an actor. You might have heard him in Storks. He has also been on Nickelodeon show that was incredibly popular. I'll tell you the name of that in just one second. But he volunteered to tell us the questions that he gets asked most about this film. So here he is. Hey, what's up? It's me, Stephen Kramer Glickman from Big Time Rush and Storks. And of course, who could forget, Love on a Leash, one of the worst movies ever made. And I am very lucky to have been a part of it. Number one, why was the lead actress covered in fake pimples?

1:23:46Well, it was because, as the director said to me, people who don't have sex end up with pimples on their face. Wow. Also, because she was so interested in having sex, and that's all she could think about, that's why everything in her home is green. Oh. So there you go. Isn't that envy? Very weird one. Also, that actress, her and the actor who plays the human version of the dog, they did get married, and they do have kids, or a kid, and are still together to this day, and they will not speak about the movie.

1:24:29Jason Mantzoukas:because I kind of sneak attacked and found a way of reaching out to her and asking her if I could interview about something else. And then when I got her on the phone, I was like, by the way, I'm the voice of the dog. Question number two is, how did I get the voice of the dog? A comedian named Ari Shafir came to me. I was the doorman at the comedy store. He was like, hey, the dog, he didn't want to do the job. So he offered it to me. Very kind of him. And then the director, when she showed up, she was like, I cannot pay you, but I can give you this bag of wontons and two cantaloupe. That's 100 % true.

1:25:15I ate a whole bit. I never was given any money for it. IMDB listed me as a cast member. I fought very, very hard to have my name taken off the IMDB for that film.

1:25:31Jason Mantzoukas:And I was successful for years and years and years and years. But it's on there now. It is on there now. Also, oh, here's a fun thing. The movie was financed by a church. And the director got the money from the church in China by telling them that the movie was about Jesus, which it is not. Whoa! And when the head of the church came to America to watch the movie and see it, he was so horrified by what he saw that he said that the movie will never get released, and it almost never did get released, but it did finally, you know, another very strange turn of events. So, yeah, that's there you go.

1:26:26There's some weird info on a movie that will not die.

1:26:33Jason Mantzoukas:Wow. That was the best. I'm so glad we saved it for last. Steven Kramer Glickman. So informative. So great. And he just did that today, just minutes before the show started. He sent that in. So we so thank him. Thank you for that. I feel less crazy now. Yeah. Yeah. And I want to let people know you can follow him on TikTok. He has an album on TikTok. He's got a podcast. You can follow him at Steven Glickman on Twitter. But what a nice guy to let us know everything. Being paid in wontons and cantaloupe. He seems like he's got a great energy about him to talk about it. And I will say this. The movie came out in 2011.

1:27:09Jason Mantzoukas:The tagline was love at first bark. Would you recommend this movie? Jason, June, Jessica, what do you think? I would recommend this above almost anything else. Yes. Wow. I agree, Jason. I'm like, there is so much. Again, I don't even know if we talked about it. Like, there's so much there. Here's my note. My recommendation comes with an asterisk. Give yourself enough time afterwards to process how upset you're going to be. Yes. Jessica, would you say you don't recommend people seeing it? Of course not. I care about the people in my life and I would never inflict this kind of harm on them. Jessica, thank you for being here.

1:27:53Very briefly, before we wrap, I'm just going to say, everybody, please watch Paper Girls. Please watch Paper Girls on Amazon Prime. It's great. The book is amazing.

1:28:01Jason Mantzoukas:It's a great faithful adaptation of it. It's great. Read the comics. Brian K. Vaughn, Cliff Chang. Watch the show. The young female actors are absolutely incredible. The show is fantastic. I'm going to plug that. Quentin Tarantino was on Unspooled, so check that out. If you have not listened to Unspooled, it has a little less yelling than this episode. And Tarantino's on it? We talk about Richard Lester's three and four Musketeers and five Musketeers and another Musketeers. Five movies we all watched. It was pretty great. Thank you, Molly. Thank you, Cody. Thank you, Devin. Thank you, Averill Halley.

1:28:39Jason Mantzoukas:Thank you, Nate Kiley. Thank you, Zach McAleese. Thank you, July Diaz and Kyle Waldron. Without all these people, the show would not work. Without Spectrum, we almost wouldn't be able to do a show. Thank you, everybody, for buying a ticket, telling your friends about the show. It really helps. And I hope you can see us on the road this week as we start our tour. Check out Jason's bed bugs from a distance. Geico presents a 30-second podcast between your podcast. Today's story is shared by one of our listeners. It's called Betrayed by Bill. It was in that moment I caught who was staring back at me in betrayal.

1:29:17Or more like what? My insurance bill. With trembling hands, I grabbed my phone and switched to Geico, saving about$900 in the process and never to be betrayed again. Now that was bloody riveting. It feels good when the story ends with savings. It feels good to Geico.

From the publisher

A woman who falls in love with a dog that transforms into a man at night is a tale as old as time! HDTGM all-star Jessica St. Clair joins Paul, Jason, and June to break down all the madness in 2011's Love on a Leash. After 12 years of doing this podcast the crew asks a question about this movie they never thought they’d have to ask, ponder how much using a hot spot actually costs, and Paul shocks everyone by revealing the identity of Alvin Flang. (Ep. #299 Originally Released 08/18/2022)

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