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23:35Jason Mantzoukas:I will say this. Jared Leto did say he did not have to do method acting for this role because, and this is a true quote, Dr. Morbius and him share a similar personality. Okay, that's really interesting because one of the reasons why I really love this movie obviously is because of Jared Leto, but also I found him to be so watchable and easy on screen. I loved him in this. I thought Jared Leto was fine, but to me Matt Smith is absolutely devouring this movie. This is the performance. Matt Smith is where I'm at. Okay, hold on one second. Give me an entire movie about Matt Smith. No. No. That's a medical term.

24:30Jason Mantzoukas:Hold on. All you Doctor Who nerds, take that out of the equation. Yeah, Doctor Who! Yay! He just started watching it. I'm still in Christopher Eccleston. Matt Smith has no reason. He has nothing. Why does he all of a sudden be like, yeah, let's fucking kill everybody. Like the synthetic blood is working for him. And he's like, fuck it. Now I want to eat people. Okay. Like he has no, he's like, yeah, we can cover up dead bodies. That's easy. Because I think what the movie is going for or one thing that's coming through is how we treat disabled people. Okay. And people who are, I'm serious. And so I did feel like, oh, I do understand that the world has not been set up or adjustments have not been made for someone like Matt Smith to live with his illness successfully in the world.

25:26We see him get bullied and beat up as a child. But then he's hiring bodyguards because he's like ripping off the mob. Yes, but one of his bodyguards also refers to Dr. Morbius as a cripple when he's letting him into Matt Smith's apartment. Okay. So I do think what's happening to Matt Smith is that he can no longer take being disabled in America.

25:49Jason Mantzoukas:Got it. Until he wants to eat them and drink their blood. Or in the world. Or in the world. Because I'm pretty sure he's first treated in Greece. And I was like, hang on. Is anybody Greek? Is somebody in this movie supposed to be Greek? Is Jared Harris supposed to be Greek? Is the clinic Greek? Is Morbius Greek? Is anybody supposed to be Greek? Why is this clinic? Isn't Morbius a Greek name? Yes, of course. Dimitri Morbius. Hey, Morbius. We vacation. Dikanis Morbius. Galakisi? I think it was during a time where it was like Mediterranean air can cure anything. I feel like Jared Leto was like, I want to go to Greece for this.

26:38Jason Mantzoukas:But just for one scene. So here's my question, though, and I'm asking very honestly because the movie leaves a lot to the viewer to connect dots. But Matt Smith is doing well with the synthetic blood. Well, listen, even though they're surviving on the synthetic blood, there's nothing like the red stuff. Also, you know, we know that there's nothing like that red stuff. He wants to eat dinner at a red sauce place, if you know what I mean. Here's the thing. And we understand why. And I think that for Jared Leto, for Morbius, he is doggedly pursuing a cure. He is chasing. He is a scientist. He is a doctor.

27:19He is chasing a cure. Matt Smith's want is to dance. He cannot dance. You know what he's not doing with synthetic blood? Dancing. The guy needs to move.

27:34Jason Mantzoukas:I mean, they really do recreate that scene from Spider-Man 3 with Tobey Maguire there. That's true.

27:44I wish we knew more about Anna's parents and just what kind of waivers they had to sign to get her treatment and to get her a spot in this clinical trial at New Horizons. Do you think Anna's parents were ever, like, by her bedside, like, oh, Anna, okay, okay. And then we're like, okay, we're leaving now. Walk past giant plexiglass full of bats. Do you think they're ever like, what is this treatment? Should we take her to a regular hospital? By the way, even if they had never seen the bats, the lighting in that facility. Okay. Nah. Okay, not only the lighting in the facility. The lighting in the facility is on the same timer system as episode one of Guillermo del Toro's Cabinet of Curiosities.

28:39The Tim Blake Nelson episode where that lighting, that timer-based lighting is in a storage facility. This is a high-tech hospital. The nurse is killed and is dead on the floor all night into the next day.

28:53Jason Mantzoukas:Well, to me, I thought it was one of those lights. It's like, you know if you stay still in the bathroom too long, the light will go off and you'll be like, wave your hand. Oh, those are the worst. I hate it, but I also like it. When you get to a certain age and you realize, oh no, I now shit longer than the movement timer. This is not good. I'm old. But. How is there still some left? I thought that it was on movement. Just when I thought I was out, it pulls me back in. But I thought it was on movement lights, but it wasn't because she runs to the end of the hall. And then there's a lone light switch that turns on all the lights.

29:38Jason Mantzoukas:It's like, wait, you're so odd. Those movement lights. I actually thought that I enjoyed that sequence. I thought it was very scary. It's a great device. And it is used so much better in the Guillermo del Toro thing. But I will say this once again. The patient, Anna, literally is attached to the laboratory. It does feel like, what other care is she getting there? It seems like people are going home. Well, again, that's why I want to know what the situation is. Because if you're part of a clinical trial, I do think she needs to be admitted to a hospital. And I guess, I mean, to me, a lab is a lab and a hospital is a hospital.

30:21And those are two different things. Yeah, I know. I know.

30:26Jason Mantzoukas:He puts her into a... The last we see, he's like, put her into a coma. I have a question. I have a question. Never wakes her up. Some things, and some of this might just be the movie doesn't answer these questions, and some of it might be because I watched it on a bunch of various speeds. Is Jared... So Jared Harris is running the Greek clinic where boy Morbius meets boy Matt Smith. Okay. Yes. He then calls him Milo for the rest of the movie. Isn't his name Lucian? Yes. Yeah. Right? Yes. So his name is Lucian. It's just this thing where Morbius calls everybody Milo, and he's like, you don't have an identity except for the one I give you, your new Milo.

31:16Jason Mantzoukas:But he also then says, I don't even remember the first Milo. So it's like, it's not even in like, oh, I love that Milo and he was taking away. I don't even remember. I assume that you two would know the answers to this. I think he's just saying, you're just another Milo that'll die soon. Who cares? This movie's about me, Morbius, the living vampire. And, oh, wait, now because I can like, now because I fixed your dialysis machine or whatever the machine was with a ballpoint pen. Who is he? Forge? That's for the comic book nerds. But by the way. Forge can make anything. He's a machinist. He can build anything out of anything.

32:03Is Morbius the same?

32:04Jason Mantzoukas:What is his mutant power? When Morbius fixes that with a pen spring, Jared Harris is like, you're smart. I'm going to send you to science school. He said, well, here's my question. He says there is a school in New York for gifted youngsters, which sounds a lot like Xavier Academy to me. And I was like, are these motherfuckers trying to introduce the X-Men in Morbius? Well, I will straight up kill myself if this is how this happens. Again, I didn't take any of this baggage into my viewing. Of course. And I just enjoyed it. But I do feel like at one point, look, he calls everybody Milo. But then when he saves Lucien's life, you would think he goes, I'm not going to call you Milo anymore.

32:55Jason Mantzoukas:I'm going to call you Lucien. And then he doesn't. And then so much so that later in the movie, he's like, I got to save Milo. It's like, you don't even know his name. Everybody calls him Milo. I know. Well, he calls himself Milo. And other people call him, Bix from Andor calls him Milo. Everybody calls him I swear to God I think Matt Smith's character Legally changes his name to Milo Just because Jared Leto is like That's who you are That's it I run the cult You're Milo By the way Speaking of weird things in this movie And we'll get to a lot of them There was nothing more unsexy Than being off the coast of Long Island Now I am a Long Island native As am I.

33:44Jason Mantzoukas:Not me, baby! When they say international waters, I'm thinking something very exotic. Was not expecting that. 13 miles off the coast of Montauk. I'm like, you could for sure see a strip mall from there. And it was like, international waters. I was like, is Don DeMillo here? What's going on? Morbius loves his outlet mall shopping. He's like, well, I'll hit the outlets, and then we'll get on a international. And then we're going to go to Montauk, and then we're going to hang out with Billy Joel. You know who I felt really badly for? Well, Anna, of course, but also. We've got to put her in a coma.

34:25I felt really bad for that crew on that ship, on that cargo ship.

34:30Jason Mantzoukas:The mercenaries? Multiple times people tell you, don't worry about them. I know. They're like, I don't care about those guys. Are we sure they all deserved to die? Well, I mean, the movie is trying to tell us they are, but here's my question is, why did he even need mercenaries? Just charter a boat and build a lab in it. Why do you need gun-toting mercenaries? I got another question for you. I think it's just so they can be visually bad guys, so you're okay with him killing them. Well, here's my other question for you. Why do they need to be in international waters? Like, why do they need to be on the water?

35:05Because he tells Milo, it's pretty, it's full-blown illegal what I'm going to do. So I can only do it in international waters. Yeah, it's like the FDA, Fauci's not approving this type of experiment.

35:19Jason Mantzoukas:Is this the bat that brought COVID to the States, Morbius? Yes. He's like, the first scene takes place at a wet market. Now, I do love when Morbius is recording his own journal. He goes, I have echolocation. that's bat radar for those uninitiated you fucking dope it's your own get your own journal okay that made me think is somebody because to your point jason there there doesn't seem to be any like admin infrastructure at new horizons so i was like where's cutie from house being like you can't do this you're out of control right but i was like i know martin's not transcribing those notes from the tape so is Jared Leto transcribing his own notes?

36:06Jason Mantzoukas:I feel like he's doing voice to text. Who? Like is Anna like is this treatment covered by like her PPO? I thought you were going to say is it like a work study? No I'm like what is is where Jared what I think is true is I believed that Jared Leto was operating out of a hospital. And I think he is not. I think he's operating out of like... Oh, Jason, that is not a hospital. No, that's his house. That's a lab in like some warehouse that's been converted. Right, okay. I have issues with labs because at one point, a guy is forging$100 bills. He's like, that's my new science lab. How? He walks in. He walks into a lab.

36:51He walks, he just overhears with his echolocation two guys trying to pass off counterfeit 100s and they're like, alright, we gotta to get back to the lab. He follows them to their lab where they're manufacturing money and he tweaks two, three things and is like, yup, now I can do my blood experiments on this. It's a printing press.

37:12Jason Mantzoukas:He has a print. He has a machine that's like a Kinko's and he takes out like the ink cartridges. Like now it's a blood machine. Now I have my blood. It is absolutely insane that he's and it's all, it's all, it's not even a time jump. I could understand. He gets rid of the guys who are counterfeit, and he says, okay, this is raw materials I can use. Time jump. Now he's got it set up. No, immediately he's like, screw, screw, screw, screw, screw, screw. Perfect. And the thing's like spinning around. They were making money. It's like it might as well have been. This movie is nonsense. I have such an issue with the lack of refrigeration for all this blood.

37:56Jason Mantzoukas:Oh, my God. Unless he has like a Yeti backpack, the backpack that he throws the blood in does not look... We've seen the kind of lab he needs to make it work. Yeah, this is not bad. Yeah. It seems like a... I mean, where is the blood... I mean, also, the amount of underground layers. Like, they're going deep. I mean, this is a weird question. I did love that the criminals referred to their counterfeit space as a lab. Yes. I was like, wow, they bring a certain level of professionalism to their work. As they're trying to pass off fake 100s at the diner. Also, Morbius, all over the news. All over the Daily Bugle.

38:37J. Jonah Jameson is blowing him up.

38:39Jason Mantzoukas:By the way, shot scenes for this movie, J. Jonah Jameson. Oh, really? Yes, and then they cut them. That's heartbreaking. That's heartbreaking. Maybe because they didn't want to reveal. Well, because there are issues with DMC. There's a lot of mistakes. But he's everywhere. He's on the cover of the paper. But he's also not hiding out at all. He's hoodless, looking exactly like his incredibly identifiable self, with Bix from Andor in a diner being like, well, I'm a vampire now. But not that kind of vampire. My issue was, how did he know that he couldn't have animal blood? He's like, I have a thirst for human blood.

39:19Jason Mantzoukas:You didn't even try animal blood. Well, he's also, in his old place, in his old lab, There appears to be, there's the blue synthetic blood, then there's row after row of what looks like red human blood. Couldn't he have drank that for weeks? Well, no, I think only for hours. Well, it's going down six hours, four hours and 22 minutes. But isn't that only for the synthetic? Yeah. Oh, yeah, I guess you're right. He doesn't take any of the red blood. He's grabbing the blue blood like crazy. He also doesn't seem to really suck it out. Like, he seems to just, like, take a slug of the blood. Like, I want to see him, like...

39:56Jason Mantzoukas:A blood slug? Like, I really want... I want, like, when he's in the jail cell... Ooh, I'd like to take a blood slug from you. Because he's, like... I just feel like he's just... Like, hey, you're leaving a lot of blood in there. If I'm needing human blood, I'm going to suck that blood bag dry. I'm just gonna. Because it's like, when will I get the next batch? I don't know. Well, the other thing is, because he doesn't seem to have... Like, obviously, there are vampiric urges that he has. Yes. When she cuts her hand, when the cat, is it the cat scratches her or whatever? Yeah. She gets a cut and he can like, it activates him, right?

40:30But he also doesn't attack. He only attacks people, he's only out of control rather, on the boat. So why isn't he just getting people to donate blood to him to drink? That seems like, he must have, he's a Nobel Prize winning doctor.

40:49Jason Mantzoukas:He has access to blood. And by the way, why are people so mad that he's, like, at one point when he's on the cover, like, I knew that guy was a fucking freak. Like, really? The Nobel Prize scientist who invented synthetic blood? Do you have an issue with? Because he has long hair. Newspaper vendor? I mean, I do think it's a hard sell because I think it's wonderful to donate blood. I try to donate blood. But it's like, I don't know that I want to donate blood for someone to drink. Well, I would, here's what I, I would happily drink blood. I would rather... Sorry. That's the shirt. Freudian slip.

41:24I'm a vampire. Guys, I've been cast in Morbius II, still Morbin. No, I would happily give my blood for someone to drink so that they wouldn't prey on human beings. Can I have it? Yes. I would... June, pint after pint for you. Absolutely. My favorite part, so the part where he does wild out the first time he's transformed into a vampire, and he's on the ceiling in the boat in his cage, and then they open it, and he comes down, and he kills all the mercenaries, right? Then he wakes up out of it like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, and he's like, what happened here? Amnesia. So he goes and he checks all the security footage, right?

42:10He's watching the security cam footage of everything we just saw and vomits. Even Morbius doesn't like the movie Morbius. Even Morbius is watching the scenes we watched and is like, This is not good.

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44:26I want to just get into Tyrese's character because these two cops,

44:32Jason Mantzoukas:And I love Al Madrigal. He's great in it. And he's very funny in it. And he's great. But I know it's a movie convention, but I need to call out that they never have talked before they get to the crime scene. They are stone cold silent. And then they get there and it's like information dump. It seems like Tyree's like, don't tell me anything until I'm standing exactly in the center of it. They also don't have a... I mean, I'm assuming they are long-term partners. They have no dynamic between them. And they seem to also work San Francisco for Venom, connecting the weirdo Sony Marvel Universe. Do you think they worked San Francisco, or they just think this might be connected to the thing that happened in San Francisco, a.k.a.

45:18Venom?

45:19Jason Mantzoukas:Oh, I thought they were setting Tyrese up to be a special investigator, which was confusing. I like that. Because when he has that earpiece, is he just getting the APB wire? I think that's just for the rest of the police. But is he getting every call? I want to ask a nerd here. Is there a nerd, a singular person, who can tell us, is Tyrese playing a character from comics that we should know? Yes. Who? He's playing a vampire hunter that ends up teaming up with him to kill Dracula. Okay, so he is playing a vampire hunter, not Blade, who helps Morbius kill Dracula. Give it up for this heroic Chicago native.

46:05Guys, and well done, everybody, that you allowed him to speak without everybody being like, I know, I know! Then I want to ask, why does Morbius refer to himself as Venom? Is he not? Is he Venom? That's a joke. I think that's a misdirect. That's a joke? It's a joke because, by the way... I don't understand comedy.

46:25Jason Mantzoukas:All right, when you watch the trailer, okay, so when you watch the trailer, one of the moments in the trailer is like, who are you? And he's like, I'm Venom. And then he goes. That's in the trailer? Yes. And he goes, just joking, I'm Dr. Morbius. That's in the trailer. They just left it here in the movie as I'm Venom. And I think, does he maybe say I'm joking too? I didn't. No. I didn't hear that. I thought he was saying that as a way to be like, throw people off the scent, to be like, I'm not even going to identify myself, so I'm just going to say I'm this other character that has been causing trouble in the same world.

47:08Okay, so this is the line as it was written.

47:12Jason Mantzoukas:He goes, I'm Venom. And he goes, just kidding, it's Dr. Morbius at your service.

47:23Jason Mantzoukas:And actually, I misquoted it. He says... At your cervix? I misquoted it. It says, I'm just kidding. It's Dr. Michael Morbius at your cervix. I'm sorry. I have it here, and it's actually at your cervix. And it's like a joke. He's like making a joke. Dr. Michael Morbius at your cervix. I will say I understand that this movie falls very weirdly in the MCU. In the MCU, I don't know where this falls because there are elements of, you know, Spider-Man. There's, like, we're referencing X-Men. There's a lot of stuff going on. But I will say the one thing that doesn't seem incredibly established in this universe as is are superheroes.

48:14Jason Mantzoukas:Right? like it doesn't seem like there's a lot of superheroes but the lack of reaction to vampires seems suspect like take a look at this this is a clip two this is a news anchor just talking about a vampire attack breaking news on the lower east side where three people have been killed authorities have confirmed the discovery of three new bodies outside a bar popular with Wall Street traders, and like the victims before them, they were completely drained of their blood, earning the killer the moniker Vampire Murderer. The prime suspect, renowned scientist Dr. Michael Morbius remains at large.

48:56So they're not saying it is a... They're saying the moniker Vampire Killer. So they're saying because the bodies are drained of blood, that the serial killer must be draining their blood, not that there is an actual vampire on the loose?

49:10Jason Mantzoukas:Well, then they go, it's a copycat vampire murderer, but still draining of blood. As I heard that, I'm going to put some more gravitas on that news report. I would think so. Also because the nurse, who's I think already been killed at this point, only has two fang marks. There are no other wounds, so that's concerning. That's going to raise some eyebrows. The movie wants to have it both ways. The movie wants for people to be like, yeah, we live in a world where crazy shit happens, i.e. there's a Spider-Man, there's a Thanos, there's, we live in like the, we're, we are in the MCU technically, sort of, are we nerd?

49:51Jason Mantzoukas:Yes, because I can, I can answer this nerd a little bit and you can back me up. The illusion at the end when Michael Keaton appears is that he was also displaced from his universe when Doctor Strange pulled all the Spider-Men together. So that wasn't Batman? No.

50:18But...

50:22No reason why you should understand this. You have every right to think that. Yes. Because Michael Keaton has played both Batman but also the Spider-Man villain, the Vulture. And Birdman. And Birdman. And he is not... And Beetlejuice. He is not...

50:41Jason Mantzoukas:In this movie, he's Beetlejuice. He's not reprising his role as Birdman in this movie. What if Morbius was like, fuck, I'm in trouble. Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice. Hey, hey there, Morbius. Hey, what's going on? You gotta... How can I help? Let's take a shit. Gotta drink that blood. That's my audition for the remake of Beetlejuice. By the way, there's a great line for Beetlejuice. Your cervix. Yes! See? I am now writing a Beetlejuice reboot. Okay. But yes, that character is the Spider-Man vulture villain who appears at the end of the movie. And so he is tied loosely because the same little thing happens in the skyline of New York that happens when Doctor Strange is.

51:36And it's also why Venom, at the end of Venom, there is a similar multiversal displacement of people.

51:45Jason Mantzoukas:And again, I will say it, like I said at the beginning, this is not a Marvel movie. It says in association with Marvel. They really, it's like Feige's like, oh, I really don't want you to take Spider-Man, but legally I can't say no. okay. It's like to see a Sinister Six film under this. Oh God, it would be so upsetting. Why would we destroy it? Let me ask you a question, cat people. Do you shake a litter box and cat come?

52:17Right, as though the food's in there.

52:21Jason Mantzoukas:Yeah. You're kitty kitty. I don't like it's like why would the cat come running to its toilet? Wait. When you were when you were potty training your children, didn't you do the handle to create a Pavlovian response that is like, oh, I guess it's time to shit. So let's do this. Now, Paul and Jason, I have an announcement. Yes. I have to go more right now. it's 825. Yes. I have a 956 flight out of Chicago. So I am, I didn't want to, we didn't want to reveal too early. I'm leaving the show a bit early because I know, and I'm so upset about it. I can't believe it. It's horrifying. But let me tell you this.

53:10I have to get a child ready in a pig Minecraft costume tomorrow. And as hard, thank you, as hard as it is to leave here to go do that, I truly must go. and when we planned this, we didn't want to have to reschedule Chicago again and we knew it was the night before Halloween. I'm so sorry to leave. I love you all. I got a morb. I got a morb. Give it up for June. I'm so sorry I got a morb. I'm so sorry. June!

53:44Jason Mantzoukas:So yes, so the show is going to continue. We have a lot more to get through. I will say this. before maybe I was a little hard on Matt Smith I did like the bromance that they had like when they were walking around I was like oh now you're quoting the notebook to me like you know I felt like I liked them as friends and if anything I wanted more I guess I wanted to understand more like why they were kind of brothers you know it really didn't make sense to me that Matt Smith was so connected to him still because kid Jared Leto leaves to go and do his whatever he becomes a Nobel winning blah blah and Matt Smith just seems to still be around.

54:25Jason Mantzoukas:Can I ask another question about this? Is that house that they're living in, that estate in Greece is that all full of kids with the exact same disease? Is it like a leper colony for that disease? And if so why is he so committed to this one kid when you would imagine there's floors and floors of them? Unclear. And not only that, but if we're meant to believe the Kid Morbius' lines, multiple kids are just dying. Like, just expiring. So he's taken on... There's an element of this movie which could have been like, I've watched so many people die that I'm not going to attach myself to you, Lucian.

55:08I'm going to call you Milo. You are a disposable person. But then he connects with him. He takes care of him. He becomes an older brother to him or whatever. But no, that's not what happens. The very next moment, Jared Harris is like, we're sending you out of here. You're too smart. And he's like, see you later. And by the way. And then the kid gets his ass kicked. But then later they're like, you're my brother.

55:30Jason Mantzoukas:Here's what I, this is why I call bullshit on it. Because 25 years ago, there was no internet. How was he keeping in touch with him? I just feel like I have a lot of friends I would like to see from the sixth grade. Origami notes. Ah. The only way you can get in touch. That's how they find him. We found one of these on the boat. Shit. Like, it was like, all right, I guess. Oh, my gosh. The fact that he flies like a squirrel jumper, is that what it's called? Like a flying squirrel suit? Yeah, that's what he looks like. It looks like he's in a flying squirrel suit. It doesn't look cool. And I don't understand why he would need to fly when he can just jump with the same amount of like.

56:13Well, why not just let him fly? Why not just let him just or turn into a, or maybe his powers don't, maybe nerd? Does he not turn into a bat? No. Thank you. Does he have control of bats?

56:25Jason Mantzoukas:Oh, why doesn't Matt, okay, Matt Smith is attacked by bats and he's like, bats now like me because I'm the bats brother. Not Batman, but I'm the bat brother. But then the bats hate Matt Smith. Why isn't Matt Smith having the exact same experience as Morbius? Yeah. With the bats, with flying. Yeah. With the rest. like Morbius the living vampire seems to have I think Matt Smith can fly when they're in that subway fight scene which I mean there are so many people that's the thing there's so many people in the movie in the subway tunnel in the subway station on the city streets that are watching this fight happen and everybody's like oh no look out it's so casual they're like walking through the subway tunnel and they're like flying up and around.

57:16And it's like testament to New Yorkers who are just like, gotta go to work, who cares? Gotta go, gotta go, gotta go, go, go. Okay, what, two living vampires fighting around me? Gotta go to work, doesn't matter.

57:25Jason Mantzoukas:I mean, I would say that the thing that bums me out the most about this movie is that Matt Smith just wears a nice suit all the time. Oh! Yeah, he looks like he doesn't take on a real different personality. He just is like, well, wear a button-down shirt. Can I ask the nerd a question? Okay, and you know what? Nerd, what's your name? Michael? Bum, bum, bum, bum.

57:59Michael the nerd. Are you Michael Morbius? You have to answer truthfully. He's at your surface. No, my question for you, Michael, is, is Matt Smith playing a character from the Marvel Universe? He's playing kind of an amalgamation of two different characters.

58:16Jason Mantzoukas:A mashup, right? Okay, so he's not, like, it's not a direct one-to-one, he's not a villain in the Marvel Universe. Thank you, that's all I wanted to know. So much so that Matt Smith said this. It's Morbent time. because I was somewhat confused with my character's history as he wasn't aware how Milo tied into The Hunger's greatest legacy and origins from the comics since it wasn't clarified in the script many reports came from the set that he was like his character was named Locious Crown but then they changed it to Milo because they had to reshoot the movie they also thought that that character of Locious was a character in the film or in the comics.

59:01Jason Mantzoukas:They decided to change it at the last minute. Anyway, they didn't keep the character's name. Oh, is that why they changed it from Lucian to Milo? Because it was based on a character name. Well, his name was, I guess, Loxias, L-O-X-I-A-S, Crown. Then they changed it to Lucian Crown. And then Milo. So three name changes for one script. And none of it helps clarify who the character is at all. And it seems to me, according to Matt Smith, no one told him, like, hey, in the comics, you are this character. And what was, I think, one of the movie's most egregious problems was, other than just kind of being mad at the people who, at a world that kind of bullied him or tormented him or didn't make his life easy, he's just going to chomp everybody.

59:54in realistic sense as a villain as a villain in a superhero story because that's even though this is a vampire story this is ultimately a superhero story there is no clear villain's motive he doesn't want to do anything but dance and flirt with girls he wants to kill people but he only seems to kill people when it's presented when he's slighted or when somebody

1:00:22Jason Mantzoukas:By the way, he's an attractive man at a bar, and he starts hitting on some other guy's girlfriend. He's like, hey, that's my girlfriend. And he's like, I'll kill you. And then does. And then does. And then does. Like, that guy, he might be a dick, but it was his girlfriend. All he said was, like, her drinks are spoken for. Also, when he kills the nurse in, is it New Horizons? Is it Horizons? Horizons, yeah. When he kills the nurse in Horizons, like, what a dick move to be like, Like, hey, this woman that you, my brother, Michael Morbius, Nobel Prize winner. Doctor. Dr. Michael Morbius at your cervix.

1:01:00That you, this person that you work with intimately, her life matters nothing to me. I'm going to chomp her and drain her of all the blood. He is a dick, but I don't know why. And my problem was, I don't know what his, he has no plan, he has no want. No.

1:01:20Jason Mantzoukas:He seems like he could live a fine life, but now that he's a vampire, he's like, fuck it, I'll be evil. And we see the ultimate evil when he rips down the warning tape. When he leaves the lab, ooh, the villain. Warning tape doesn't mean anything to me. I loved when he pretends to be the lawyer to visit Jared Leto in prison. Jared Leto already is in prison. Boom, he's like in there, and he's like, ah, it leaves him some blood and then leaves his cane behind and then he's like walking out of the prison like doop-a-doop-a-doop-a-doop-a-doop-a-doop-a-doop-a-doop-a-doop It's like a Kaiser Soze thing, but for no one.

1:02:02Jason Mantzoukas:Yeah. Like, because... It's for the camera. That's what I mean. It's for the camera. The movie... Because he's like this. He's like, lamp, lamp that. Oh, sorry, that. Hey. Hey. No more lamp. But who was the fake lamp for? And why would they let him into the cell? And then why would they let him give him stuff? How do Tyrese and Al Madrigal not know that Matt Smith has visited him in jail? Why don't they know about him? They find out so late that there's another vampire. I mean, why do they even arrest him? It's like he gets in jail to get immediately out. Like he fucking morbs in the interrogation.

1:02:38Jason Mantzoukas:Why not morb it? Yeah, why not? Yes, they don't even. They are so unimpressed by the fact that they're in the presence of a vampire. True. Like, they are like, huh. Okay, we're going to come back to this. I also, and again, this movie is not sure about powers or anything, because there is also a moment when Dr. Michael Morbius is trying to go to see Jared Harris. He's like, come, I'm wounded. Oh, man. Jared Harris. I love Jared Harris. I think this is true, and I didn't look it up. Jared Harris dies grisly deaths in every role he has. He's never survived to the end of a movie or TV show, period.

1:03:23Michael, come to the apartment.

1:03:26Jason Mantzoukas:Why? Just tell me now. What's going on? I tried to talk to Milo. I know his name is Lucius, but you've decided to call him Milo and we're all under your thrall. When you were a bully, you renamed him, and we all went with it. Even me, an adult. Even me, an adult. Even though I've not aged in 25 years. And you are now Jared Leto, and we are essentially the same age. So when he goes to visit dying Jared Harris, Morbius... He is the same. He has not changed. Morbius is like this, like creep sidestepping. It's like, dude, if you have echolocation, you know what's in the fucking room. You don't need to be like, ooh, I don't know.

1:04:15Jason Mantzoukas:Is someone going to jump out at me? His powers are so fickle because when Matt Smith has, what's Bix from Andor's name in the movie? Martine. Martine. When he's got Martine and he's like, he'll come for you or whatever. He's kind of trying to get to Martine to lure Morbius to him. And Morbius can hear everything up until the point where he kills Martine? Yep. And I was like, why didn't you go rescue her? He listens to the whole thing happen. Maybe it won't happen. And look how Jared Leto's face is like, I wonder what's going to happen next. But then he makes her into a vampire. Do we get a post-credits scene with her?

1:04:53Jason Mantzoukas:Nope. Is that what happens? Does she become a vampire? Bam. Bam. Michael, the nerd, is she playing a vampire character? Yes. Who? She's basically Selene in the comics. They changed so many times the energy vampire from X-Men. Okay, so she's the energy vampire from the X-Men. Great. Okay, great. I love that. Thank you. I liked her performance. And by the way, give it up for Michael. Michael doing heroic work all show long. everybody give him a pat on the back on the way out. Don't touch him, though. Don't touch anybody. Don't touch each other. I will say this. I liked her performance. I thought the love story was bullshit.

1:05:41Jason Mantzoukas:But when he's a vampire, she's freaked out. They don't know what's going on. They go up to the roof. He goes, close your eyes, and then kisses her? I didn't think that was cool. I thought when he goes, hey, I wasn't going to morb out on you. And she's like, I thought it was romantic. Did you? This man turned into a fucking creature. And you're like, ooh, cool. I thought they were going to stone cold fridge her in a way that I was like, wait, are they killing her now? Just to motivate him to get back at Matt Smith. And I didn't like that. But then they instead just turn her into a vampire, I guess.

1:06:18Jason Mantzoukas:Well, they needed something to activate Matt Smith and Dr. Morbius to fall through the earth. The earth? Yeah. They fight into the center of the earth? Are they falling down the middle of a building? I'm so confused. It was like I was watching the end of Transformers 1. I was like, I don't know. Something's happening. Is it just so that they can get to a level where there are bats? Bats? Also, Morbius seems to have, obviously has a relationship with bats, right? We get that. Vampire bats, where does he go at the beginning? Where is he in the caverns at the beginning? Okay, hold on a second. Michael, where does he go at the beginning?

1:06:59Costa Rica. Costa Rica. He's in Costa Rica studying vampire bats. Do we think there are vampire bats in New York City? No. These are just some basic-ass bats.

1:07:08Jason Mantzoukas:These are regular, this is like Ant-Man getting the ants to play, the drums. But any ants? Any ants can do that. Ant-Man has those powers. He can get everybody doing it. So he can control any bat anywhere. No, no, no. The bats are his friends. He's like, guys, help, guys, I'm being captured. And then the bats are like, oh shit, our brother. And they all... I guess you're right. I guess you're right. But then, boy, would I like it if he could turn into a bat. Or something. Well, he's just kind of flying. I mean, his bones are hollow. We know that. Or also, why didn't he... Why? Why?

1:07:47The idea that you thought that he gets shot up in the skull. Hollow bones! He gets hollow bones is incredible. So do you think Superman's bones are hollow? No. He's not a bat.

1:08:02Jason Mantzoukas:So it's not just anybody who can fly has hollow bones. Only that he's a bat, he has hollow bones. Got it, got it. Or a bird, but he's not a bird man. and Birdman in the movie is not an actual superhero. Do you think Hawkman, DC Justice League member, Hawkman and Hawkgirl, do they have hollow bones? No, because their planet, they don't have hollow bones. Okay. Well, okay, so this is the one thing that Martine said about her character, which I thought was odd. She said she based it on AOC.

1:08:36Jason Mantzoukas:Which, I love AOC, great, but it's also, we are like why how where is that evident i don't see that at all like i don't see she's just a scientist like she's not i don't see not a she's not a politician she's not advocating i would like my i have follow-up questions yeah i do too it seems like an odd choice to be like oh yeah yeah no aoc is how i i viewed that martine what part i don't know i want and get deeper into what she was talking about. I want to get into it with the audience because I know that you all have questions. Okay, your name and your question. My name's Adrian, and my question is, if this movie's present day, that puts them in the children's hospital 25 years ago in Greece, why do they shoot it like it's post-war England?

1:09:29Jason Mantzoukas:Yeah, that car that pulled up was odd and old, right? It seemed like a Model T. We get it, Adrian. and Greece doesn't have modern cars. Oh, well, I'm sorry that Greece can't have enough full cars. Well, all their cars run on feta cheese, right? What? I said all their cars run on saganaki, right? You just like... Yes, yes. You know, it's a new fuel in Greece. It's just, it's cooked cheese. Okay, yes. You have your notebook out. You have a question. Yes. Okay, go for it. My name is Laura. why would you lose your license for combining human DNA with bat DNA? And once you have combined human DNA and bat DNA, why would you give it to a mouse, which is neither a human or a mouse?

1:10:17Jason Mantzoukas:Now that's a question here. Get two pieces of candy for that. The movie does a lot of bullshit like that, where it's like, we know that you, the audience, understand that medical tests are done on mice, So we're just going to do that Even though it doesn't make any sense to the movie we're doing Or what's happening So fuck you The movie is Here's the reality The movie, if you watch it again Please don't The movie is constantly saying to you The audience You're a fucking idiot You're a fucking idiot I'm not even going to help you understand I'm just going to show you a bunch of garbage And you're going to have to be like I guess I like it, Jared Leto Obviously we had opinions about this movie But there are people out there with a different opinion It is now time for Second Opinions Oh, I really want to bite somebody I kind of want to fight with somebody Why doesn't Matt Smith like me?

1:11:21I need a second opinion Amazing!

1:11:27Jason Mantzoukas:Great job! Give it up!

1:11:32Jason Mantzoukas:Here's what I got. I got some second opinions from Amazon. Here we go. There are 39 ,000 reviews. I don't think that's right. Does seem odd. Molly Reynolds, one of our producers, put this together. 39 ,000? But it does seem like because of the internet memification of it. Maybe it's true. Oh, is that it? Yeah. Is that just because it became such a... I think it might have been, yeah. 55 % are five-star reviews. Here we go. Kate Pugh writes, Remember when there was a good old horror movie on every Saturday night? No. And you and your friends would curl up in the family or living room with bowls of popcorn and potato chips just waiting to be scared?

1:12:14Jason Mantzoukas:Guess what? They're back. They're back? Yep. This is one of a new generation of horror movies. Not the classic Frankenstein Dracula, The Wolfman, plus the myriad of sequels and sci-fi outer space Japanese monsters. Nor is it the slasher gore everywhere, Friday the 13th, Elm Street, losing your lunch type that was prevalent a few years ago. This is a good, straightforward horror movie. Worth the cost. You'll remember it, but you won't have any trouble going upstairs afterwards. Five stars. The title of the review, fast shipping and quick handling. You know what's disappointing is and I hadn't even really thought about this but this movie would have been so much better if it was a horror movie or if it leaned into being a horror movie.

1:13:06I know it was horror in some senses but like the Marvel what was it? Werewolf by Night, Marvel Presents or whatever that was. Werewolf by Night, which is on Disney Plus right now is a Marvel horror special. And that was, I thought, fantastic. And tonally got what this movie kind of missed.

1:13:29Jason Mantzoukas:A hundred percent, yeah. I mean, I'll end it on this one from Baby Doodoo.

1:13:36Jason Mantzoukas:Oh, really? You're going to end it with Baby Doodoo? Baby Doodoo says... Is it this baby's doodoo? Maybe. This baby's so cute. So cute. And you said it's COVID-free, so I want to hold it, which is bad. Don't fall into that trap case. I fell into this trap before and I got bit. Baby Doodoo writes, this is a movie I watched 10 times before my rental ended 48 hours. I am a serial killer. Worth the time and money, I have watched almost every vampire movie and vampire series. A big fun of the Dracula character, however, Morbius is giving the best of both worlds. The ending gives the idea that there's a positive of Morbius becoming part of the Avengers.

1:14:27Jason Mantzoukas:It creates the biggest expectation of Morbius. I commend the writer for a meaningful storyline, as well as the producers and actors that brought it to life. Double thumbs up. Incredible. Thumbs up is double. Not thumb up. Yeah. You never say thumb up. What's great, that makes no, if you're going to watch it. Through the roof. If you're going to watch it that much, buy the movie. You loved it. Buy the movie. Here's what's crazy. Morbius the Living Vampire exists in the same cinematic universe, and Michael the Nerd, correct me if I'm wrong, as Man Bat? Or is Man Bat DC? DC. Okay, thank you. Thank you.

1:15:07Okay, disregard.

1:15:08Jason Mantzoukas:Oh, right. I was actually thinking this whole time that Batman was in the Morbius. The x-ray really rattled me. I was thinking that Batman was in this universe but he's not because I just think of this as like a shitty DC movie but it's a Marvel movie and that's the thing is this feels like it's more of a DC movie than it is a Marvel movie and as does Venom frankly and Venom too alright so this is written by our friend so when we announced that we were doing Morbius here in Chicago I got an email And the email said, I'm a huge fan of the podcast, a longtime listener, and I was a crew member on Morbius.

1:15:53Jason Mantzoukas:My role kept me very close to the action. I can't tell you my name, but you can call me Bat on the Wall. I'm going to have a Twix. Is that okay? Yeah, go for it. And here are the six points that Bat on the Wall writes. First up, Jared was method acting. This included acting very sickly and disabled during the first half of filming. For example, he used crutches to go to the bathroom, hobbling down the corridor at a snail's pace. Each toilet break would last 30 minutes, but it was a two-minute walk away. He also wouldn't come to set for five hours once because he hadn't found Dr. Morbius inside of him yet.

1:16:43I'm so nervous that I'm going to be on a job at some point and somebody's going to write an email to something like this and be like, Jason Manzoukas spent so long having diarrhea in his trailer and he didn't come out because he was nervous because he didn't have wipes for his butt.

1:17:04Jason Mantzoukas:Bat on the Wall continues and says that he also wore an earwig while filming, and his assistant... An earwig is an earpiece where they feed you your lines. Like the same thing that Tyrese had in his ear, where he gets the police report. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Except that it's meant... Tyrese isn't using it as an actor. His character is using it to hear the police action. Exactly. But this is something so that some people need to have their lines fed to them. And some people who are big method actors, like even Marlon Brando, liked having the earwig because it kept them that much more in the moment.

1:17:43Jason Mantzoukas:If I don't know what I'm going to say, how can I be acting? Brando is, if you haven't seen it before, when you go home tonight, Google Marlon Brando cue cards or something like that. There's a great photo of Marlon Brando on the set of The Godfather doing a scene. And Robert Duvall, the incomparable, the incredible Robert Duvall has a cue card hung around his body with Brando's lines on it. It's like this big. Jason, I have also worn a cue card for an actor I was working with. You wore a cue card? Multiple times. Huge reveal. Multiple times. Okay, point number two. Jared Leto constantly ad-libbed what he thought was hilarious dialogue, but was actually deeply unfunny and vaguely disturbing.

1:18:43Jason Mantzoukas:Most takes would last 15 minutes, all just him solidly ad-libbing. It became such an issue that there were meetings with the studio to see if they could get anything from the scenes. Were they salvageable? The best slash worst day for this was a scene with Morbius and Martine flirting in the lab. There was a cat in there, and Jared kept on repeating weird lines like, That cat just shit in my mouth.

1:19:23You got a yes and that. You got a yes and that. Yes, and I bet it tasted great.

1:19:33Jason Mantzoukas:I'm going to roll that cat up like a little butt burrito. That's not a thing. Nope. Like a butt burrito is not a real thing. And finally, gravity always wins in the end. I guess that accounts for the pubic hair in my cake. Wait, is that a Clarence Thomas line? That's going back, that's for the oldies in the room. That's for Gen X right there. Matt Smith, cool person, great actor, hope he got paid okay.

1:20:18Jason Mantzoukas:and then finally this we shot a fight sequence for one and a half months it was a huge fight between morbius and milo in central park which was an english wood where they painted the bottom half of the trees bright red and then we shot the rest in an english park that looked nothing like Central Park. I looked up the plot of the release movie, because I have not seen it, and the bats that help him defeat Milo did not exist in the original version. Morbius jabs the serum into Milo's heart when they are grappling midair. They fall to the ground in Central Park in an embrace. Then they also change the Martine plot.

1:21:01Jason Mantzoukas:It originally ended with Morbius and Martine flying off into the sky together while the cops watch. And that on the wall includes the script right here. So this is how the movie ends. Morbius says, ready? I'm going to eat another twig. He holds out his hand. Martine takes it. Martine says, let's get out of here. Then dot, dot, dot, a big gust of wind blows through. Morbius says, wait for it. Dot, dot, dot. Now, they leap into the air together, catching an updraft. The cops are taken back by surprise. They train their weapons into the sky on Morbius and Martine, and Morbius says, easy guys, settle down.

1:21:51Jason Mantzoukas:Credits.

1:21:58Jason Mantzoukas:and uh bat on the wall wants us to know that all the after credit scenes were not shot in principal photography so that was all that makes sense yeah uh this movie uh you know got a 15 on the tomato meter uh but a 71 on the audience score uh the budget was 83 million the opening weekend was 39 the domestic gross is 73 the top movies of 2022 are top gun maverick dr strange in the multiverse of madness and jurassic world dominion this movie did come in 23 in the top 200 movies of uh 2022 uh and it was beat by moonfall moonfall made more money than fuck the moon fuck the moon fuck the moon so that is that the only other thing i want to add here that I think is interesting is that Jared Leto also said that Pokemon was a big influence.

1:22:48Jason Mantzoukas:Of course. On the portrayal of Morbius' powers. Gotta get them all. And Jared Leto also said this is this first movie is the first date. And you know we're just getting to know each other. This is kind of our first step forward. More of a first impression. Yeah. I think if you look at Wolverine, if you look at Batman, you see a lot of these films evolve over time. You know there's a relationship that develops there and who knows we'll see what happens I genuinely hope nothing happens although I would love I would happily take Matt Smith and Martine forward yeah those are characters I'm interested in well Matt Smith is dead is he is anybody dead I mean I think you could say that anything happened yeah we could really retcon them all the woman who plays Martine I think is incredible I've been referring to her as Bix from Andor because she's fantastic in an incredible show.

1:23:46She was also in Father of the Bride, the remake of Father of the Bride, which is also incredible, and she's fantastic. And I've been calling her Bix from Andor the whole night and I wanted to just say her name is Adria Arjuna. So I wanted to shout that out. Amazing. And she's fantastic. Would you recommend this movie? Would I recommend this movie? Fuck yeah. It's more than time baby even though i hated it i would absolutely recommend it because exactly kind of what you and june said it's very slick it's good it's like they do a good job even though it makes no sense it's a pile of garbage and i don't care about any of this nonsense yeah um i will say this that

1:24:30Jason Mantzoukas:this movie does pay off some dividends because i was watching it june was about five minutes behind me and occasionally i would get a little bit ahead of her and i'd look back and be like i don't remember that scene at all. And she's only five minutes behind me. And there were things that I just straight up missed. And, like, it does pay off. There's more here. There's a lot going on, and I think you'll really... Well, there's a lot going on because we're watching Jared Leto. Oh, God. We're watching Jared Leto turn into a living vampire who has a thirst for blood and spicy Cheetos? like when he takes down the counterfeit ring he's like you know get out of here you can take the money but leave the spicy cheetos and i was like is that what he's and we all know michael that morbius is a hot talkies guy i actually michael is there anything that you would like to say i'd like to say this if i got anything wrong please leave me alone online don't attack Michael online.

1:25:37Poor Michael. Poor Michael's like, hey, if I got anything wrong, don't troll me online.

1:25:46Jason Mantzoukas:Thank you, Chicago. We will be back. We did it, Chicago. That's right. Thanks, everybody who wore costumes. Happy Halloween. Eat shit. Thank you for listening to this episode of How Did This Get Made? A big thank you to our amazing team, our producers, Scott Sani, Molly Reynolds, our engineer, Alex Gonzalez. Welcome to the show. And our movie picking producer, Averill Halley, and our publisher, July Diaz. We will be back with more How Did This Get Made next week for Last Looks. Bye for now. How Did This Get Made? Sleep is so critical, especially that deep comforting sleep. But oftentimes, it's hard to find the right mattress for that deep sleep without trying it in person.

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