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18:36Jason Mantzoukas:Stallone drives a cologne truck. At one point, he is transporting cologne. Just the idea of cologne in a 16-wheeler made me laugh. One type of cologne just like brute. All the bad ads in this, dude. I do have a question about trucking. because it seems like... You have a question about trucking? I do, because at the end of the movie, there's a big prize at stake at the arm wrestling tournament, which is a giant truck. How lucky. Right, but when you... This is what I'm asking. When you are a truck driver, aren't you just given the trucks of the company? Okay, thank you. A very mad truck driver.

19:16To be fair, 85 % of our audience are truck drivers. Truckers, now I understand that. And we appreciate you guys listening on the long hauls. Big podcast listeners.

19:27Jason Mantzoukas:You guys listened to us over CB when we first started out, and we appreciate that. When a new episode comes up, they're all on the CBs. Break a break. Break a break. You listening to this Howard the Duck episode? I will say, though, that... We got applause breaks just for mentioning our own episodes? I will say that it was odd to me that the prize of the arm wrestling competition was a big rig. Because if you were not a trucker, that is not a good prize. It seems to be only a prize he would want. Yeah. I laughed out loud this morning because the way they set it up is awesome. Because he goes, and the winner will win$100 ,000.

20:09And? And then he says, and then a truck also. It's like, what are the chances? This guy, this is this guy's day. Well, so much so that when they're announcing all of the different arm wrestlers for the final, like the finals, they announce everyone and everyone sort of turns to the camera and gives like a really scary face. And when they announce Sylvester Stallone...

20:30Jason Mantzoukas:By the way, this is the amazing acting. He's faced away because he's staring at his truck. Yeah. And so he's just sort of caught off guard. And also everybody else in that scene, exact scene, is placed within the riotous crowd. And people are patting them on the back. and he is alone, sitting, not like pumped up, but sitting kind of like... Just staring at the top. And then he goes like this. He's sitting there and he's just looking, oh man, all the cologne I could transport across the country. This big rig, oh, this beautiful rig. This is, well, I think this is, wait, 80, yeah, this is like the heyday of like trucker, not the heyday, I guess, maybe, but like BJ and the Bear kind of...

21:13This is past the heyday of that. I guess it is. That's like late 70s, I guess. I will say one thing. There's something truckery about that era. And I thought he looked great in his trucker costume. I will say that. I think that's what it's called, a trucker costume. I thought he looked great. Hey, Sly, you got to get in your trucker costume and then get on set. Got it. He loves that truck. If there is any kind of eagle, if there's any kind of metal eagle, he's going to spend a couple of... Oh, Hawk. Hawk. His last name is Hawk. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Or is it?

21:40Jason Mantzoukas:Yeah, it changes. His name changes in the movie, and I actually put together a little montage. His name changes a couple times. It's Lincoln Hawk. It's Hawk. Sometimes it's Hawks. Oh, that does happen. And he responds to both. I will play you. That, I think, is really not a good, that's bad scripty. But if there's a metal hawk in the movie, he's going to polish it for at least six minutes. Yeah. Because it happens a couple times. So this is a little montage of Hawk or Hawk. He responds to both. So listen carefully. here we go. And sometimes in the same scene, differently.

22:40Lincoln Hawks, please. Kelly, what are the odds on Hawks?

22:43Jason Mantzoukas:Lincoln Hawks, 20 to 1. 20 to 1, pal. It's a long shot. Come here, Hawk. Lincoln Hawks is a new champion! Champion of the world, ladies and gentlemen! So he wins as Hawks. He was Hawks. He goes back and forth. The odds are 20 to 1 on Hawks. Yeah. But Lincoln Hawks wins. That's pretty amazing. His name changes. How does that happen? That's lazy. That's really lazy. It's, and he agrees to everyone. You would think like Stallone would be like, actually, my name is Hawk. I wrote the script. I'm co-script writer. My name is Hawk. Because that's the name of my truck. Hawk. Not Hawks. Like, no one checked that.

23:28Jason Mantzoukas:Like, how checked out was he that he allowed himself to be called two different names? There was that moment where he was like, hey, like, he tried to bring it up. He's like, hey, can I tell, and they were like, we've got to get moving. He's like, just forget it, man. just forget it 12 million? 12 million? Okay let's keep going Or maybe it was as soon as he like had a family and had a son he was like we're the Hawks You think it's plural? I don't know They have a weird conversation about that don't they? He's like when you take over the business it'll be Oh yeah Hawk and son Hawk and son but he screws it up and he's like yeah Hawk and son Like he says something different the first time What's Son and Hawk Right?

24:05Yeah That won't work

24:09Jason Mantzoukas:by the way this kid wants to grow up to be a truck driver that's the thing that's the thing promising career he wins the money he wins the truck spoiler alert um and as a kid is like i want to be with you i want to be with you and he's like okay great and then they're gonna live in a truck together is that what i'm gonna get the old truck they're gonna give him the old truck and they're gonna drive side by side i was a side by side that's amazing I was very upset to see them fall asleep like that in the truck bed. He tells them, he's like, hey, if you get tired in the middle of the night, you can fall asleep on my shoulders.

24:43And then he falls asleep on the kid's shoulders. Like, all cuddled up like a fucking weirdo.

24:53Not cool. Yeah, because that's the thing. It's like, Robert Loggia is, if you want vintage Robert Loggia guys, do yourselves a favor and watch the pilot episode of Magnum P.I. it is two hours long Robert Loja is the bad guy and maybe 15 minutes of content that is worth it but it's amazing but Loja is the bad guy and he's incredibly rich in this so the kid is going to inherit all this money or whatever but he wants to like bro out with Stallone to the point where I'm like why would you do this now you have the money you can't force this child to live in a truck you can't be like you can't let this happen You're saying, I see, that Stallone, if he really did want the best for his son, would have said, like, you can get the best education.

25:40He can't settle down. He's a man of the road. Then leave the kid with loja. While they are together, the kid is assaulted by bull, kidnapped by thugs. Like, the kid is, like, Stallone is a terrible father. Well, what, I would have.

25:58Jason Mantzoukas:A terrible father. I would argue that he's not even a. In the movie. He's not, in real life, he's kind of a bad dad. In real life, he's the best dad ever. And I know that because he's my father. I wanted to get, I feel like, June, this is something that you would catch on to, that his character as a father sometimes is so like, yeah, I'm just trying to do stuff for my son. And then all of a sudden, like, driving a truck through a mansion. Like, there's no middle ground. Like, he goes from like, I'm so shy, I'm awkward in suspenders, to, I'm going to punch a guy through a wall. Like, there is no, like, his rage.

26:34There is this weird line of, like, I just want to be a good dad. And then he's like, no, you drive the fucking truck. I don't care about other people's lives. Yeah. Well, this is what you have to say. What's that? Oh, I'm going to train in my truck by driving a tractor trailer and using a handmade sort of rig that he built that has weights on it.

26:51Jason Mantzoukas:Yeah, it's like he built a Nautilus machine in his truck, and he's doing weights. Are you sure it is in a Solaflex? which is predominantly featured on a lot of hand and arm wrestlers' shirts. And on Alka-Seltzers on one other guy's shirts. Alka-Seltzer was really big in the arm wrestling scene. We've got to get it out there. And then they crack open Alka-Seltzer later on. I feel like that was the first time I noticed product placement in the 80s because the guy, Grizzly, screams, I'm going to drink some oil out of a funnel. He specifically says funnel, drinks motor oil out of the funnel. And then the next shot is him cracking open and some Alka-Seltzer and be like, shouldn't have drank that oil.

27:30Shouldn't have drank that Valvoline. That was a mess. They didn't even do product placement on Valvoline. It was just oil and Alka-Seltzer. It was Valvoline. Here's the thing about Stallone's character, though. I mean, you have to remember that he's been sending his son letters for his son's entire life, and he's been getting pictures back. Right. So he isn't working under the assumption, I assume, that the son has gotten his letters, maybe doesn't know how to write.

28:00Jason Mantzoukas:You would think at a certain point, because he has such a good relationship with the mom, that he'd be like, hey, whatever the mom's name, like, Catherine, like, why isn't my kid writing back to the 75 letters I've sent? And she'd be like, oh, yeah, I'm hiding it. Love the pics. Love the pics. Yeah, love the pics. Thanks so much for the pics, but hey, what's up with the kid not writing? I feel like maybe you're squirreling these away in a purse at the bottom of a drawer and not showing them to him. That purse, where it was hidden, there were a couple purses in that drawer. Don't all ladies have a bottom drawer purse drawer?

28:30It was hidden in a makeup vanity boudoir sort of structure. There was no reason a ton of purses would be in that drawer. Oh, see. I just saw that and I was like, oh, girls in their purses. Every girl's got a vanity with a drawer full of purses. It's a purse drawer.

28:47Jason Mantzoukas:Never heard of it. Where you store all the purses full of weird stuff. Yeah, see, I feel like it'd be like that if I went into a girl's room. I'd find like a vanity I'd open the bottom drawer and it'd be purses full of dildos or something you know like that's where girls hide their stuff right I understand women oh brother what if Stallone what if Stallone and the woman were just like legitimately like just insane like they were like they needed to belong in a mental institution and Robert Lozier got in there and was like you know what you need to go over here I have a question about this go ahead let me say one thing When the first shot of her, she's very sick, sitting on that upholstered chair in her hospital room, and her hair is cut in a way where it does not look like this is somebody who's suffering and has been through chemotherapy.

29:33This looks like in sort of a manic rage, she has taken scissors and cut off all of her hair. Yes. Agree. Right? Yeah. No, she looks crazy. That's what I'm saying. She looks, if she was instead in a mental institution. She has not lost her hair. She has cut it off. Yeah. Okay. No, it's terrible. My question is this, because there is like a tiny glimmer of insight that I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what's the story here? Where the kid at some point says to Sylvester Stallone, hey, are you still selling drugs? Yes. And I was like, okay, in my mind, there's a narrative where Stallone and the mom are just fucking druggies.

30:12They're selling drugs. They're like cocaine cowboys level maniacs. He's hauling meth across the country. Whatever. Just like crazy coke. He's working for the cartels. We all get it. The original Walter White. And then he bails because of whatever. She raises the kid with Loja, the dad and whatnot. And because of all the drug use, she's going to die because of something.

30:35Jason Mantzoukas:What about this? What about this? There was a drug cartel and they said, we're going to kill your family. And he's like, look, that's too much for me. Oh, I love this movie. You got to go with your dad. You got to go with your dad. I'm going to be on the run. They'll come after me. They won't come after you. and Roger's like, I'm going to pay off this cartel, but you can never see my daughter again. That's a good backstory. I like that. Yeah. I like, these are all better movies than what happened. Instead, instead he asks Sylvester Stallone, are you still selling drugs? And his reaction is kind of like, I don't really remember selling drugs.

31:07I think your grandfather's making that up. Well, here's a weird thing too.

31:14Jason Mantzoukas:Pumps away. Just keeps on pumping. So the grandfather also gets the court to essentially, he gets Stallone to sign a document that says he will not come back to the state. And that document's signed, and it's pretty clear, like, he's not seeing his son again. And that's settled. Then a few scenes later, he shows back up in Vegas to say yet again, you're not seeing your son again. Gives him a lot of chances. but like and Stallone says I already signed your paper I already signed it like you're you're clear you could have gotten out of here a week ago yeah he's like get the hell out I'm trying to win this truck alright this time Losh is also offering him a truck and$500 ,000 but he's already like Stallone if I was Stallone I would take it I'm like yeah I already signed that contract I'm free and clear because by the way at the end of the movie it wasn't like I'm signing this contract unless I win this contest like there was no caveat in it like oh but if you win an arm wrestle and contest, this is contracts null and void.

32:17Jason Mantzoukas:Like, that was never part of the deal. And also, when that kid escapes, there's large periods of time where no one seems to be looking for him. Like, they just give up. They're like, they're all up in, like, Robert Loge's suite. And this is an era where a kid in a movie can, like, maybe, what is this kid? 12 years old? 13 years old? Like, what? He's 12. 12? I love that somebody was like, 12. 12. You don't know he's 12. Jason, he's 12. Come on. he's 12 years old and we are like we're cool with him driving cars stowing away on airplanes like or whatever not even stowing away he pulls up to an airport and he's like and he's like hey you can't park that car he's like yeah keep it I'm fucking rich keep that and then and then like he finds the best way to hide is to act like a piece of luggage and he comes out of a luggage carousel and be like ooh who packed that boy yeah well they had to get No airport security.

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34:55Jason Mantzoukas:But throughout that they're like, and we're down to the final four. And you'll see people who are not in the final four just like lifting. It's like, guys, it's over. Let the dream die. You've clearly lost. No reason to stretch and do anything. There's only four people in this race anymore. Like, there's down to the final two and there's a guy like... But you also have to lose two matches to be eliminated. Well, yeah. I mean, that's what this movie... Jason, Jason. That's what this movie is called. Double elimination. It's like the truck reveal. It should be called the luckiest man in the world.

35:32Oh, yeah. Jason, I don't know if that was clear enough

35:36Jason Mantzoukas:that he had to lose two. Do you, okay, this is... So I compiled how many times they said it in the movie. Here we go. And listen up, here we go. And also just please look at their faces. Here we go. And pretend like they're fun. One reminder, once again, this is a double elimination competition. You have to lose twice to be out. In other words, if you lose once, you still have one more chance. Okay, let me remind you please. This is a double elimination competition. If you lose twice, you're up. Double elimination competition. He has lost his first finals match. Remember ladies and gentlemen, please remember, this is a double elimination.

36:23Each of these semifinalists have another chance. You have to lose twice to be out of the competition.

36:31Jason Mantzoukas:This is a double elimination tournament. Any competitor who loses twice out of the eight who are on these four tables. So there's two more that were just underscoring it and I didn't think you could hear it. So that's like eight times. And even the announcer's like, just so I'm clear with you guys. I feel like it's ADR lines because people are like, well, audiences are telling us that they're confused because we've seen all of these characters lose already. So we're going to ADR the double elimination thing in constantly just to make sense of this. It seems to me that the only rule is it's a double elimination.

37:10Otherwise, headbutting appears to be allowed. Drinking of motor oil is allowed. It seems like they also weigh him when he first arrives. So I thought, well, there's going to be some sort of weight class. Like you can only arm wrestle. Nope. And they even say when he goes against Bull, Bull's got a hundred pounds on him. And I was like, oh, then he's going to die. If Bull has 100 pounds on Stallone, Bull is going to maim and or murder him. I believe Bull... Here's the weird thing about when he does lose, he has that one move. That one arm... There must be cheating, right? The hand grows, yes. Do you notice that the final slow motion shot of him going over the top...

37:55Doing the move? He literally goes like, fans it out. So he's doing it in slow motion and then they also put it in slow motion. So it's super slow and he gets his fingers on top. Next shot, fingers are on the side. His fingers are never on top for that entire fucking fight.

38:15Jason Mantzoukas:By the way, they don't explain why that... You would think when his kid loses in arm wrestling, he'd be like, hey, you can't lose. Let me give you my trick and explain how he wins in arm wrestling. Nope. The kid does it and just knows to do it because he's seen a lot of it. Well, not only that, but it's also like, I was waiting for this metaphor of going over the top with arm wrestling and like really going for it and turning your hat around to like really, to connect to this relationship between the father and son. Like there must be something there. The movie should have been called Meet You Halfway.

38:51But by the way, they didn't really meet each other halfway. This movie should have been called Pull Your Pants Down, Kid. I'm your dad. Pull your pants down, kid, and I'm going to suck it. Sponsored by Soloflex. The best way, did you happen to pull the kid, arm wrestling the other kid?

39:07Jason Mantzoukas:You know, it was so long that I didn't know what the best scene. Okay, because the best part of it is, okay. My two favorite actors are in that scene, the two cronies. Oh, they're amazing. They're amazing. There's one guy who's like, hey, man, you got to get him. You got to get him. Come on, man, come on. And then the other guy has a comeback. He's like, you really got him. He's like, yeah, you got him. The other guy fucking sucks. You're a wimp. Remember when being called a wimp was awful? It's still pretty awful. Look it. That's her haircut. That was your haircut. It's a little shaggy. For those who are listening, her haircut is shaggy.

39:44Jason Mantzoukas:I'll pull up that kid arm wrestling scene. Oh, that's the training scene. Oh, my God. I love this movie. There are so many clips to pull. Oh, here we go. Here we go. All right. So here, we're going to play this scene. Oh, my God, brothers. All right, here we go.

40:26I ain't so whipped. You'll take them easy. Don't take clothing off at someone else's job. Look at this. Let's start. Ready, whipped. Skin feels like a girl. Maybe he is a girl. Listen to me. Listen to me. Look at how tender this is. Look at how tender this is. Yeah. Yeah, you can tell me.

40:47Jason Mantzoukas:This is illegal what he's doing. What is happening? Come on, boy. Mom, break his arm. Come on, get this little whack. Come on, get this little whack. Come on, get this little whack. Get the fruit away. Get out of there. You lose it. You lose it. You lose it.

41:06Can you go to the next one? Yes, I'm going to have a password. Okay, I want you to watch this next one as if it's a sex scene. Okay? I just want to put that in your heads. Okay? As if Stallone is watching a sex scene.

41:23Jason Mantzoukas:Okay. By the way, the face is the arm wrestling face. You said he was strong. Well, my boy was just feeling generous. Now it's time to go to work, am I? He's a pimp! He's a pimp!

41:39It's time to go to work. Yeah.

41:44Jason Mantzoukas:This kid really think he can take me. I don't think so. What a joke. The table's time. Smash him, Richie. This is gonna hurt, wimp. What do you think of that? I think your breath stinks. Come on. Come on. That's good. Come on. Come on. Hold him. Drop the weight. One time, mate. Back in. Back in, Mike. You got him, Mike. You got him. It's little more. Look out.

42:18Alright, way to go. One more time. Let's go, Mike. Right away. Let's go. Right away. Right away. Right away. Great job. Get mad, get mad. Ready? Pump it, kid. Come on, mate. Lift it first. Pump it. Pump it. Over the top. Pump it. Pump it. The power, mate. The power, mate.

42:40All right, way to go. You're a tough little sucker, aren't you? That was great.

42:45Jason Mantzoukas:That was great. Pay up now. Money. Look at that. Make some pay up.

42:56Jason Mantzoukas:I mean, come on! Please, someone, like, this, if you edited the trailer, you could make this boy's life. Like, it could be, like, an abusive dad relationship. You could really cut a good trailer. Oh, pump it, kid, pump it, pump it, kid. Pump it, kid. No, don't shout pump it, kid, to your son. When I was a kid, this is a true story. When I was a kid, I was hanging out with three of my buddies in front of a photo mat. And... Oh, shit. Fuck it. We'll bleep it. We'll bleep it. And his pulls up with his dad and was like, you were making fun of my son. He's going to kick the shit out of you. And his dad sat there while we all tried to fight his son.

43:38And at one point, his son was losing, and he kicked my friend Eric. And, like, I remember then being like, that's not right. That's not okay. That is not right. Just for legal purposes, that allegedly happened. Yeah. Exactly.

43:52Jason Mantzoukas:Let's just also say that Eric was probably wearing an illegal glove, so you could kick a kid if he's wearing the wrong fighting gear. But it's, you don't touch kids anymore. You also don't ask them to fight each other. Yes, but imagine pitching this now. Yeah, so then there's a scene where they go into the diner, and Stallone sees a bunch of kids, and he's like, yeah, fight these kids. No one would ever go, wait, wait, wait, what happens in this movie? Those menacing, badass kids. One guy does not have a forehead. He looks like the dude from Christmas Story. He's got the hair. But he says, I should kill this guy right.

44:29And he goes, I don't know, man. That's his one contribution as a crony.

44:34Jason Mantzoukas:By the way, it's arm wrestling. He doesn't have any personal interest in this kid. I'll kill him. Like, why? You were just playing Super Mario Brothers a second ago. Not even Super Mario Brothers, just Mario Brothers. And the thing is, like, everybody, it's as if this movie exists in a world in which everybody cannot wait to arm wrestle. A world in which everybody... Are you okay, ma 'am? Are you okay? She's going over... She just went like this. Which is very unsettling for me. It's when everybody is just, like, ready. Seconds away, seconds away. Ready to jump off and arm wrestle. like that's how it's gonna go down.

45:20Yeah that is the feeling like people are having conversations and you can see in their eyes like it's only a matter of time. Did you have a moment though in the montage when they go towards the end of like of all the arm wrestlers and then all of a sudden it cuts to like one like kinda hot lady with like a headband and she's cracking her finger I don't know why but like I gasped I was like Yeah. I don't know why Well they made a big deal too out of that there is a ladies bracket but we never really see it No, there's one in there. I got terrified. The first time you see the woman, she's like, boom.

45:51Jason Mantzoukas:And then that ends our women's final. I was like, wait, we didn't even see it. I bet the director's cut has like an hour of lady-female arm wrestling. Oh. Just topless. And the one shot of the guy. And if it doesn't, I'm shooting it later. So talk to me, ladies. The one shot of the guy whose arm actually pops out. Oh, yeah. Like just randomly. They were like, hey, that guy's fucking arm broke. We should throw it out in the movie. Tape it, tape it. But it's like, this movie is so clear. It was like, we need a movie that has more sweat than Rocky and as much drama as Rambo. It's like, it's kind of cramped.

46:24And it's a competition that anybody can do because we'll ignite an arm wrestling craze across the country.

46:30Jason Mantzoukas:I had the over-the-top arm wrestling toy. The over-the-top toy was just like a little platform with a red and blue elbow holder, and you would just arm wrestle. Was there an arm? What? Was there an arm on it? No, no, no. You'd have to get a friend. You'd have to have a friend. Or an adult man. Adult man not included. Well, here's like... Headophile not included. I love the part that, like, it gets to the finals when he's getting to the finals and he'll go, and now we're bringing out our referees. And there's like 15 of them. It's arm wrestling. How many people, like, how many... There's more refs in this scene than they're on a Major League Baseball game.

47:13Jason Mantzoukas:It was like two feet of coverage. It's like, what, it touches or it doesn't? That's it. Meanwhile, when he headbutts him, that's not illegal. That's totally fine. We're leading to this point where, you know, they meet each other halfway, and he shows up at the wrestling contest. You're really pushing this as an alternate title. Mike shows up, the young son, and what's so weird about it is it feels like he really wanted to know for sure that the dad sent those letters, that Sylvester Stallone sent those letters. But through the rest of the movie, before that, he never seems to doubt it or even mention, like, I don't think you did, Dad.

47:52And then the climax of the movie is him finding the letters and then getting to Vegas.

47:58Jason Mantzoukas:But he read the letters. But basically he's like, oh, you did write letters. Now I love you. You're the best. Like, that's it. Like, the ten years doesn't matter. Or the fact that you made me miss my mom's death while bro-ing out with me. That's the thing. The movie is basically predicated on the fact that because father and son needed some bro-down time, the kid missed the mom's life. And he's really not upset about it when he's like, the one woman tells the doctor, and the doctor's like, I'll handle this, I'm a doctor. Do you guys want to... Oh, good, good, good. You want to see how Stallone takes his wife's head?

48:32His reaction is pretty shitty. This whole thing is pretty awesome. Okay, here we go.

48:42Mr. Hawk? Hawk. I'm sorry. Your wife died this afternoon in the operating room. Oh, man. Oh, shoot. My wife died.

48:56Oh, now I gotta tell this kid.

49:02Worst cock block ever. Oh, God. What?

49:09Jason Mantzoukas:This kid runs away and he's in sign of trouble all the time. There is so much runaway. But his pants never fall down because he's got suspenders. I like that he hits dress up, but he's like, hey, look, when I'm out on the road with you, not wearing the suspenders. Pick you up from school, suspenders on. Go visit my crazy wife who's dying of cancer, suspenders go on. Those are dress suspenders. Oh, wait, they're still married? Officially? Okay. People said, yeah. I love that the audience is like invested in it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They don't know. Of course, June. Of course, June. We're the audience.

49:42We know that they're still married.

49:45Jason Mantzoukas:Oh, my. I also wanted to just play the quick scene of why Stallone turns the hat. Obviously. Oh, shit. Okay. Well, inexplicably, at this point in the movie. It just becomes a documentary. There becomes documentary footage. There is, like, footage of what's Bo and Hawk that is, like. It turns into the office. They're just talking to camera in a candid, like, confessional moment. Mindy Kaling wrote this bit. That's why I love, like, Stallone is a good actor, because there's one scene, like, he's nervous in front of the camera. So, like, the first time, they're like, why do you want to win? He's like, um, uh, I don't like the truck.

50:25Jason Mantzoukas:You know, he's, like, so, like, shy. He's like, yeah, acting. But here, he's getting a little bit more familiar with the camera, so he's a little bit less. Here we go. Here we go. But Stallone, why does he flip his hat? What I do is I just try to take my hat and I turn it around. And it's like a switch that goes on. And when the switch goes on, I feel like another person. I feel like a... Like a truck. Like a machine. You know that was improvised. You know that was improvised. You can see it in his eyes. You know that moment. I know I gotta say machine, but there's a fucking machine right behind me.

51:09I wanna point to that machine, cause that's like me. You guys see what I just did?

51:15Jason Mantzoukas:He's so proud of himself. He's so psyched that he's like that machine. That's why he's staring at that machine. He's in love with it, cause he is it, like real steel. He is a robot. He loves the machine more than he loves anybody in this movie. I'm obsessed with the arm wrestling arm cozy. Oh my God. that he wears throughout the arm wrestling. Just kind of on his elbow area. And it is oftentimes on and off and on and off. There was absolutely no continuity and no script supervisor in this. No continuity whatsoever. But then when he says, Cutler's upstairs, he wants to talk to you, he's like, hey, how long do I have before I fight?

51:5530 minutes. He's like, okay, well, I have time. Yeah. Like, they really took the time to make sure the audience knew with it. He's got at least 25 minutes before he has to win an arm wrestling competition.

52:06Jason Mantzoukas:They're not going to abuse these guys. Yeah, they're going to arm wrestle. Yeah, they're going to get tired. They're going to get a break. A nice break. And there's a guy back there with a big back massager who'll just do it. He's sitting there getting his back massaged by a guy. There's a whole triage area. And then the doctor's touching his biceps. Yeah, that's good. Okay, yeah, you're good. You're good to go. What are you touching with your finger in the bicep? Yeah, that bicep's together. There's no tear there. You know what this feels like? It feels like a man's arm. Okay, so you're good to go.

52:35We haven't brought up the fact that before arm wrestling matches, your trainer slaps you in the fucking face as hard as he can. Number of times. Over and over and over again. Everybody who is in this movie, they were like, okay, if you are a big, beefy guy with a giant beard, you're in. Great news. One caveat. You got the part. A fat slob is going to slap you in the face a bunch. So that's part of the movie. Oh, but is it going to make you want to win arm wrestling?

53:05Jason Mantzoukas:None of these guys were training effectively because one guy eats a full cigar, a lit full cigar before the arm wrestling, which got to hurt. No matter how much, he's like, he just sucks it down and then wins. He's a good arm wrestler. And there's the guy that drinks the Valvoline. Same guy. Oh, it's the same guy. Oh, my God. That had to happen. Grizzly? Grizzly? Are you telling me Grizzly ate a cigar and drank motor oil? Yeah, bro. That's why he ate it at Alka-Seltzer. Oh, boy. I bet that was his idea. Hey, get me an edible cigar. What? Hey, I want to do something nice for the good people at Alka-Seltzer.

53:42That had to be written. That had to be. Somebody from Alka-Seltzer was like, we got it. Somebody's going to drink motor oil. They were like, we know the guy. His name's Grizzly.

53:51Jason Mantzoukas:And now people try to go to Alka-Seltzer all the time. They're like, no, we got burned on over the top. We're not doing this again. Just so you know, another little fact about the movie. John Wheaton, the lead singer of the rock group Asia, originally sang Winner Takes It All for the movie. But after performing the song, Stallone said his voice wasn't mean enough. So they switched him out with Sammy Hagar. Amazing. And Stallone joined in too. He did? Really? Yes, that is. That's awesome. Yeah. Stallone's like, I got this. I got this. Asia, you're a bunch of pussies. me and Sammy Hagar are going to take the reins of this song.

54:31Jason Mantzoukas:I feel like there's a lot of stuff to talk about, but I feel like maybe the audience has some questions. I want to go out to the audience and see if you have some questions. Raise your hands, and I'm going to come to you, and we'll see if we missed anything. You're applauding. You don't even know the questions yet. All right. Your name, your favorite Stallone movie, and your question. Go ahead. Andre's favorite Stallone movie has got to be over the top. I want to know why the main guy, the main bad guy, he lost, he's been winning five years in a row. So that means the prize is $100 ,000 each year, maybe, and a truck each year, maybe.

55:05Jason Mantzoukas:So he should have five trucks and at least$500 ,000. That is a very good point. But wait, is your question, why is he still in it? Because he hasn't beat Lincoln Hawk. No, but he doesn't know about him. He beat Lincoln Hawk. When they're announcing everybody's, where they're from, they're like, that guy, he's from the main division. And Hawk is from the amateur underground. Hawk is from the trucker division. And somehow he's an unknown, but yet this guy goes to random diners to scout him. To find him. So he's definitely 20 to 1 with really low odds for the champion of the sport to be like, I gotta go get this guy.

55:52Bull shows up and is like, when he holds the kid's hand in that bar, and is like, let's just get this over with now. Let's not wait till Vegas. But to that point, perhaps he doesn't want to wait till Vegas, because he's like, I won this shit. I don't want to pay insurance on another fucking truck.

56:09Jason Mantzoukas:He talks about how winning number one is his only thing in life, and being number two sucks. But then he headbutts the loan. But then when he loses, he's like, okay. And he raises the loan. He did see. I noticed that, too. He seemed to take it rather well. Well, you know what? I have a theory on that. Their hands were tied together. So Stallone, in his victory, had to pull up his hand. It was like a puppety. He took the initiative. He takes the initiative. He's like, all right, he's the winner. I will say, look, after you make your first$500 ,000, things go away. I'm going to go over here. What's your name, your favorite part of this movie, and your question?

56:47My name is Gabby, and my favorite part of this movie is probably the music and the amazing ballads. But I just have to mention that the son's name is Mike Hawk.

57:04Jason Mantzoukas:Standing ovation. Standing ovation. Standing ovation.

57:15Jason Mantzoukas:I would also like to point out that he's picture with her real quick. His name also might be Mike Hawks. So, yes, your name, your favorite Stallone moment in this film, or Robert Loja moment, and your question. My name is Julia. My favorite moment is the montage where they're working out against the truck. The backlit montage. That looks like a great workout, that truck workout. It's a machine. It's a machine. Okay. My question is, so in the scene that you showed earlier where he's arm wrestling the kid the kid says kid if I lost to you I'd kill myself and then loses to him so do you think that kid killed himself?

58:04Jason Mantzoukas:Yes, I do I do too What would be amazing is if you found that actor and did a movie now that was about his character having been trying to kill himself for years. I also like the fact... It started with that scene, and it just followed him home. And all he does is try and kill himself over and over and over again. I like Groundhog Day. Your name. How would you appeal to your son if you hadn't seen him in 10 years? And your question. One line that you would say to your son when you picked him up from military school. Here you go. My name's Bobby. I would say... What's Salon say? I would say, you have to win, but then you can lose as long as you lose like a winner.

58:43Jason Mantzoukas:All right, good. I like it. You took it from the film. I like it. My question is, if anyone noticed that Robert Loge's goon was also the really crazy high-head bouncer from Roadhouse. Yep. With the exact same facial hair and the exact same perm. It was like the exact same character. The guy that gets fired. Yeah. Well, that's how he got there. Had to end it up. He worked for another old man. These are just beefy dudes who work for old men who intimidate very strong men. Like Robert Loge and who's the other guy? Ben Gazzara. They're like, oh, we've got to intimidate a nice, really well-fit 30-year-old.

59:16Jason Mantzoukas:We need goons. And then his only job is to talk tough and then get his ass kicked. You know, in like one moment. Stallone throws him through a door with so much ease. And the door explodes. That's not him. Like the wood implodes into splinters. That's not Terry Funk, right? Terry Funk's in this, but is that him? I don't know. I don't know the actor's name. Someone says that is Terry Funk? It is, right? It is Terry Funk. Hey, you're Terry Funk. Oh! What if it was Terry Funk? What's going on? What if Terry Funk would be like... All right. What if it was Tom Dalton's dad? Terry Funk is here. If Terry Funk is here, that would be amazing.

59:56If you bring Terry Funk to a live, how did this get made? You both get in free.

1:00:02Jason Mantzoukas:Your name, why you think the mom didn't show the letters to her son, and your question. Here we go. Hi, my name is Leanne, And I have to go with June's theory that she's just bananas crazy. And this really isn't a question. It's just from earlier. The movie that beat this in the box office was Platoon, number one. Nice. Look at that coming well researched. Did you know that? Or did you, hopefully, you just knew that. Who has a really good question? Put two hands up. You have a really good question. Oh, this guy immediately. Beards. Both two guys with beards. Two hands up. Let's see. Take their questions first.

1:00:40They're cool.

1:00:40Jason Mantzoukas:These guys are former arm wrestlers. All right, your name, would you be called if you were an arm wrestler? And your question, go. Oh, man, this is a lot of pressure for my question now. I'm Rob. My name would probably be The Beard. Taken. I already took it. I was always confused because they introduced Bull as having been undefeated, but it seems like, and I'm not sure, that the match, their double elimination? Right. Okay, so doesn't Bull only lose once? I had that theory too. I think the double elimination only exists until you're in the finals. Finals, all bets are off. Then it is single elimination.

1:01:23Jason Mantzoukas:But wouldn't Stallone have to beat him twice? That's what I thought, but I think when you're in the finals, the finals. The double elimination is only until the finals. In my mind now, Stallone and Bull have both lost once. Yeah, that's right, but now we're in the finals. No, Bull hasn't lost before the finals. Yeah. What? It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter in the finals? Says somebody very boldly but does not know. All right. It's very unexplained. It's very unexplained. Here we go. This is your name. You also have a beard, so what would be your arm wrestling name and your question? My name is Peter.

1:02:03Presumably my name would be something like Junkyard Muldoon. or one of these sort of generic tough guy names. He's thought of this. He's thought of it. Yeah, that kid way too quick. Well, I had time between me and the other beard. Junkyard Muldoon. If he asks, I'm going to say Junkyard Muldoon. I'm going to say Junkyard McGillicuddy. No, man, you should say Junkyard Muldoon.

1:02:24Jason Mantzoukas:I like Junkyard Muldoon. That's pretty sweet. Also a character in Platoon. Here we go. It also looks like in that same hotel, there's some sort of trade show going on. because when they're looking for the kid the Duracell battery the two henchmen are looking at an abandoned Duracell battery display I thought about that I thought that Duracell was just getting into a very niche market they're like guys we need to send some reps out to the Hilton these arm wrestlers, they're driving their trucks they're listening to their walkmans they need Duracells in there that's what I thought, I thought that too we have time for one more question this better be fucking good here we go, your name and your question.

1:03:07Jason Mantzoukas:That's it. I'm having to give you a middle question. Here you go. Okay, my name's Natalie and my question is where does Stallone get all the t-shirts that he changes in the final wrestling scene? And it culminates in a boat neck New York t-shirt? Like a baby tee? Is it really a boat neck or is it more of a scoop neck? He seemingly has no affiliation to New York. June seems really shocked by this. I am. I wish you could see the look on her face. You're right. He changes probably like seven times. He also lets his kid drive a truck. When the kid said, by the way, we didn't even talk about that scene.

1:03:48Jason Mantzoukas:The kid's like, you know, you're a truck driver. You're not even smarter than a 13-year-old. And he's like, drive the truck. What does that prove? Like, well, how does that prove intelligence? He's like, I could drive a truck. I'm super smart. And you know what? The kid does. It's not even like... The kid has trouble for about two and a half seconds. It's not even like the kid can't do it, and he's like, see, not so dumb after all. The kid masters it almost instantly. Yeah, and then he's like, open her up, man. Open her up. The kid should be like, see, this isn't so easy, you fucking dummy. Oh, by the way, that truck is kind of magical, because when the kid does get kidnapped, he jumps, you know, Stallone jumps into his fucking semi-truck and immediately gets it up to speed to go into a high-speed car chase.

1:04:37Jason Mantzoukas:Also, that doesn't happen. Wasn't he towing something at that point? I think he dropped the load. We didn't see that. What? You heard me. He dropped a load. Oh, him and the kid? Yeah. They dropped a load? Yeah. Together? By the way, another bad fathering example. He slams that other car. His kid is inside of it. Yeah. Yeah. Isn't that good? He runs a truck off the road with his son in it. And then pretty much leaves the truck behind. Yes. And his son, by the way, is like a mile ahead in a truck going, Dad! Dad! I believe he says he's coming. How about this? Like the guys are like, yeah, we know he's chasing us.

1:05:16How about this? This is crazy. When he first picks the kid up, the scene where the kid tries to run away from him, and it's like Frogger. Into traffic? Cut to a grown man in traffic. And the kid causes like a pile up. Like cars are like, like craziness. And they're like, get back in the truck. No, that's not his reaction. His reaction is a chest hold from behind. Up against a light pole while he slowly backs up towards the light pole so that he can hold his son and calm him down. Right. While people are dying. While people are dying.

1:05:52Jason Mantzoukas:Ten feet away. Obviously we had some opinions about this movie, but there are some people who think differently. These are five-star reviews, cold from Amazon. It's time for a second opinion. Okay, these are pretty great. All right, I don't even know where to... Okay, oh, man, all right, here we go. All right, I just got to find the best way to start because they're so long. Okay, let's try this one. I have to admit, I still cry every time I see the scene where Mike loses the arm wrestling match at the truck stop pinball machine. I'm embarrassed to admit that I had three broken noses from reenacting the final scene of the movie with my brother John.

1:06:46Jason Mantzoukas:What a scene. Wait, three broken noses? So three different times they tried to reenact that scene? This was a three-nosed boy that wrote this. Hawk was facing an elimination and pulls through to beat Bull, while Jason Cutler looks on and finally realizes that Hawk is a super dad. By the way, it's Michael Cutler. Jason Cutler? It's Michael Cutler. Unless that's Robert Loge's character. Thank you. I still resent John to this day for always being Bull and making me be Hawk every time. He would always trick me. Now he's talking about his brother. He would always trick me and tell me, but Bri, you get to be Hawk.

1:07:26Jason Mantzoukas:You win the truck. If I had to do it again, I'd still be Lincoln Hawk. I recommend this movie to anyone who's an arm wrestler. Nobody is. Or a friend of an arm wrestler.

1:07:45Which is basically all of us. Yeah. Which is basically everyone. Which is just an arm wrestler and the dude who slaps that dude in the face.

1:07:55Jason Mantzoukas:Brian Sequeira, five stars. Mike265 writes, I'm 22 years old now, and I was 10 when the movie came out. When it came out on video, I watched it over and over and over again. Nevertheless, the tape got worn out, and I have not had a chance to buy a new copy. But I will.

1:08:15Hey, Mike265, it's available on Netflix. Also, that means he wrote this in 1999. Yeah, this is an old one. It's also possible that when he was registered, to Amazon, he was like, Mike. Wait, that's taken? Mike 1. Huh. Mike 2. Weird. Mike 3. Wait. Mike 199. Oh, come on. Wait a minute here. Mike 256. Wait, really?

1:08:41Jason Mantzoukas:It gets better. He goes, I will let you know that I've also went through some of the things that Lincoln Hawk went through with his son Mike with my daughter in New York and I in California to better myself. Having trouble with the mother not letting me talk to her or my family see her, but I still send her birthday slash Christmas slash Easter presents to her anyway because it makes me feel closer to her and the movie. Mike. Wait. He sends her the presents because it makes him feel closer to the movie? Yes. Makes him feel closer to her and the movie? I'm going to send her this Easter present because, fuck it, I've got to feel close to over the top right now.

1:09:25Jason Mantzoukas:By the way, not the three big holidays, birthday, Christmas, and Easter. Like, birthday, Christmas, big. Easter is kind of a... Weird. Yeah, I wouldn't send a birthday. Yeah, no, that's a weird one. Brittany B writes, I bought this DVD for my boyfriend who arm wrestles professionally. What? Before I dated him, I didn't even know a thing existed. Anyway, I got it for him for his birthday, and he kept dropping subtle hints of wanting the movie on DVD because his VHS version had seen better days. Wait, is she dating the guy from the first response? Who wore out the TV? Is she dating my TV? Maybe people who just love this movie only own VHS machines in their trucks.

1:10:06It's impossible to find anywhere. Yeah, it is. By the way, it's really hard to find over the top. I spent the last four days looking for it. Oh, my God. It's on Amazon. It's on, yeah. You can't find it, like, in the store anymore. It's on Netflix. Is it on Netflix? I'm just fucking stupid. Netflix Watch Instinct, guys.

1:10:21Jason Mantzoukas:Upon receiving his gift, upon receiving his gift, you would have thought I had given him the world. He bragged about this gift to all of his friends and fellow arm wrestling acquaintances. He's not ready to call those guys friends. he said he said the quality of the DVD was excellent the only complaint he had was there were no special features other than the original movie trailer and for that he beats me mercilessly Britney B five fucking stars holy shit there's some serious emotions going on in here This movie brings up a lot of emotions for people. Would you guys recommend seeing this on Netflix or Amazon?

1:11:13Jason Mantzoukas:A hundred percent. Yeah. It's pretty great. It's a lesser known Stallone. It's funny because you'll never see a movie structured this way either. Because it really is. The first 20 minutes is just a father-son road pick. And then the last 70 are just arm wrestling. Just sweaty dudes screaming. There's also a movie they can't make anymore. No, yeah, you could never make this movie. You can't make a movie where you take a kid somewhere and make him watch you wrestle men. You've tried. You've tried. I've tried. It's impossible. I want a fucking truck, though. I would actually love, like, it would be like, you know how Stallone is doing the sequels to everything now?

1:11:55Jason Mantzoukas:I would love to see this movie now, like, 20 years later. It is Sun and Hawk, or Hawk and Sun, whatever they decided on. And Michael, Michael is an arm wrestling amateur. He's like rising through the ranks. I just want the movie to be called Over the Tippy Top real bad. Just really bad. He's got a kid too. And now the baby's gonna arm wrestle too. He's on the baby arm wrestling circuit. Just a little tiny baby crib and he's just fucking pumping. The baby can't ever actually hold something. What if he had a baby that had no fingers? Oh shit. Oh shit. He'd probably give it up for adoption. Kid can't do it.

1:12:38Yeah, he would just leave. He would just leave, and then somebody else in his life would die, and he would show up late to their funeral.

1:12:45Jason Mantzoukas:Bull was sitting in his palatial half-a-million-dollar house. We must get a hot son, grandson. Yeah, truly, I hope Bull's not driving trucks anymore. There was one version, because I was listening closely, but there's the truckers, there's the teamsters. Bull may have been like a lawyer for all we know. The strongest lawyer. Yep. I'm going to win this case. Ripping law books in the head. And representing the defendant, Bull Goldstein. Your Honor. Take this fan and I'll bash your fucking head into it. I own you. I'm going to rip your fucking arm off. the defense rests. What if he only does child custody cases?

1:13:35Jason Mantzoukas:He only does child custody cases now. Well, guys, you have been a great audience. Thank you, Subculture New York. Thank you, everybody that's here. Thank you to Bobby Moyer. Oh, thank you.

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