Shoot 'Em Up

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26:27Jason Mantzoukas:Everything's either going to be okay or not. And season three of the HBO original series, House of the Dragon on HBO Max. You have power within your cross. Get the Disney Plus Hulu HBO Max bundle today. All of these and more streaming soon. Plans starting at$19.99 a month. Terms apply. Visit Disney Plus Hulu Max bundle dot com for details. And now, I mean, I will I will say this is very John Wick coded as well. I mean, this is like it's got all the secret organizations, the world. There's so much great stuff. You know, instead of a dog, you got a baby. The baby is great. I mean, this is it. No.

27:01I mean, and I want to stress it's not just a baby. It is a newborn. Yes. This baby delivers the baby. He delivers the baby. And then the rest of the movie happens, I believe, within 48 hours.

27:12Jason Mantzoukas:I mean, when I knew that this movie in the theater was great, was like you open up on Clive Owen. He takes a bite of this carrot. You're like, interesting. And then and then the movie starts and it's frenetic action, some really cool shots. But then the moment that really I was like, this movie knows exactly what it's doing is when he delivers the baby amidst a gunfight, then uses his gun to blow the umbilical cord, like to separate the baby. I was like, incredible, incredible moment. I am in. Why not? I am. There is nothing else. Now, the only issue I had with him, I didn't like when he ripped her outfit open and said, feed Junior or whatever the fuck he said.

27:54I didn't like that one bit.

27:56Jason Mantzoukas:I didn't like that either. And I didn't. I said your milk doesn't come in right away. It also felt like how did he how is he so aware of like that? You know, like, I mean, he just was he just needed the baby to be quiet as soon as possible so that I wouldn't be discovered. You know, he was just saying, keep the baby quiet. Put a tit in its mouth. Put a tit in its mouth. And that's fine. But like the baby actually doesn't need to be fed right away. Yeah. It just was making too much. Can we just talk about like being a lactating hooker? Because I was thinking about it like she, I don't know, I guess she was on some sort of hormone supplement to help her lactate.

28:35She had a stillborn baby. Now, we didn't see that. She tells the story later to Clive Owen. She says, why haven't you asked what happened to my baby? So her milk came in from the stillborn. Yes. Her pimp punched her, she says. Yeah, I heard that. And her baby was born stillborn. And so my assumption is she continued to lactate and then used that in her. As her kink. Gotta get a gimmick.

29:01Jason Mantzoukas:Well, that's it. I think that that's more what it was. She's like, well, I should use this. And then because of the amount that she is using it, she's never stopping. It's like those people who like will be like, no, I still breastfed my child and they're standing up. Like I've seen that like on a Maury episode. Right. You know, it's like somebody who's very old. For sure, Paul. Sure, Paul. You've seen it in a Maury episode. Great cover. I'm always watching Maury. I'm always watching a Maury episode. Oh, I've seen it on a video on Maury, I think. I just want to shout out her character because of all the kinks that are available in each and every one of those rooms.

29:36The one I would like to do the least is lactating. Oh, yeah. Because that's a lot of work to have your boobs filled with milk. And then it hurts if you're not lactating. So then it's like, well, if she's self-expressing, is she pumping? I mean, there's so many questions. It's also so much. It's so intimate. It's so intimate to have a grown man. I can't even talk about it, Jason. I can't even talk about it. That was a moment.

30:05Jason Mantzoukas:You just talked about it. But I can't any longer. But it has to be over. I do want to say that that moment really makes me recoil because it's like. Oh, it's horrible. I couldn't understand what it was at first because my mind, my imagination stopped. Yeah, it stopped. It had to protect itself. Well, even at the time when you catch her giving the bad guy a blowjob behind the dumpster, I was like, wait, how did that happen so quickly? And we're in there are some moments that really will take your breath away. And I will say those are quick ones. But the one that sticks in my mind, the one that really got to me and I know it was there for Creep Factor.

30:45Jason Mantzoukas:is Paul Giamatti looking at this dead woman that he is carrying around in the car. This is the mother of the baby who does get shot right after delivering the baby. And she's still uncovered from when Clive Owen has ripped open her shirt to help her feed her baby. And he just grabs her breast. And when I say there's a fearless performance going on here for Paul Giamatti, like what he is doing is that scene, it's very very horrible very very horrible but you i feel like i knew everything i needed to know about his character from like i'm like from it's the one two punch for g i want to just say giamatti is incredible in this and he and clive owen as opposite sides are fantastic and what's so good about giamatti is he's doing all of this disgusting stuff the scene you're talking about But he's saying so many disgusting things.

31:42But then he's also continuously fielding calls from his wife where you can tell he is put upon and feels like he is not in charge. Sweetie, this deal is almost done. Look, I've already booked my flight home. Okay? Okay. I love you too. Yeah. Bye-bye.

32:09You know why a gun is better than a wife? Hmm? Dunno. You can put a silencer on a gun. And that is, like, so funny to me that his performance is, like, basically built off of, like, the impotent rage of a husband who's being constantly had at by his wife, which I think is very funny. That is what's so great about this movie. And I think really separates it from just being like a send up of these types of movies, because, you know, Clive Owen also has these like very specific pet peeves. There are there are specific choices that are made. And I love when a character like this is just like, like, he doesn't like when people are rage driving.

32:55He doesn't like cats. Like there's things about there's specific things that he doesn't like. and to me it's what elevates this movie yes and his performance in doing so his his stoicism his everything he's not leaning into any of the jokes that he is he is the Bugs Bunny character but there is no Bugs Bunny wink there is no Bugs Bunny kind of ryaness he is just straight It's as if he's stepped out of Children of Men and stepped into this movie.

33:30Jason Mantzoukas:Well, by the way, there is a moment that reminded me of Children of Men. He's in the same costume. There's one moment where he's on the bus, and I'm like, is this the Children of Men that we were promised? Because in a weird way, it's the same story as Children of Men. It's so funny. In that one, he's protecting a pregnant woman to give birth, but in this, he got the baby to where the baby needs to go. And the baby is what? Being used to genetically keep the governor young. The senator alive. Not young, to save his life. He needs the bone marrow of a relative that has his whatever. He's got a baby farm.

34:08So the setup is there's a senator who wants to become president who's in charge of gun. Oh, this is a gun control movie. Also, the theme of this, one of the central themes is gun control in a movie that is wall-to-wall guns, which is very funny. Which I loved. I loved.

34:25Jason Mantzoukas:And by the way, this is a movie where, I just have some of the stats, 151 people are killed in less than an hour and 30 minutes. And they used 6 ,000 squibs and 15 gallons. June squibs? June squibs. It took a while to get the set, so it was a little tricky. But they got him. They did it 6 ,000 times. She'll always get there. She works. I mean, that was the thing. She's booked. She's ready to go. It's busy. But yes, it's saying something. But also, I think this movie is incredibly clever and smart and cool. I agree. It's a blast. So anyway, just to finish my thought, he needs a bone marrow transplant.

35:07So he creates a baby farm with women so that he can have a bunch of babies that he can pull bone marrow from. Now, while that is happening, the gun company bad guy, Hammersmith, he decides, I don't want this guy to live because he wants gun control. So I'm going to kill all those babies. I'm going to kill his baby farm. And that's why he sends Giamatti and the goons to go kill the baby farm. And that is where we are. And then at the end of the movie, of course, it's revealed. Why not just kill him? Great question.

35:42Jason Mantzoukas:Because, well, because then it would be a line would kind of be drawn to him. Whereas if you kill a baby farm, you can't say, hey, someone came in and killed my baby farm. Because then more questions are asked. Well, why do you have a baby farm? Then there's a, then there's a lot. But now, by the way, do you guys think there's anybody right now that has a baby farm? There's got to be, right? There's got to be at least one baby farm right now on this globe. some billionaire when do you when are you able to extract that bone marrow though great question because you can't have a bone marrow transplant until you're like i believe well i don't know maybe i don't know maybe with pediatric i don't know i don't know either and that's so interesting but wouldn't it be incredibly painful for the babies to have their bone marrow Oh, it's horrible.

36:30Jason Mantzoukas:You'd have to be at least 18 because the most successful donations come from people from 18 to 35. So, yeah, so that they will not, I mean. Accept you. Yeah. Minors are allowed to donate under strict ethical guidelines, but I don't think that they're going. I don't think this falls under that. Yeah, I don't think. Well, definitely. Yeah. I just feel like you got to get some more marrow in them, bones. before you can give it up. Ooh, more of that delicious marrow. By the way, though, like, this poor baby. When this baby... I mean, I had to do a lot of work watching this movie with the beginning sequence where the baby is under...

37:18It's sort of in a football hold with Clyde Owen and he's jumping over buildings and he's doing this and that and he's shooting. And there's just several shots where I'm so worried about that baby's neck. You know, and not never being supported. Never. And I have to say, like, I did wonder why all that Clive Owen can do, the amount of multitasking that he's able to do. Could he not have created some sort of a Bjorn? Because I didn't know if our writer director didn't like the idea. And I think this is a really curious, a really interesting portrayal of masculinity. Right. Because he at some point is on his back, but they never have him on his front in more of a papoose, which is more of a feminine look.

38:03And I wondered about that. I understand that concern, but I think I have a different reason why that didn't happen. is because I would say in almost every single set piece, Clive Owen slides on his stomach across the floor, across conveyor belts. He slides across hundreds of yards. He covers over a mile and a half of distance. It's like run, run, slip and slide.

38:36Jason Mantzoukas:Sliding and shooting. The palm of his hand is going to be the better brace in this situation because he's able to like really pocket him like a football and the baby was a bigger boy he's not a slip of a thing you know wait clive owen or the baby clive owen oh no clive owen's a big guy i the one thing i'm going to say about clive owen i have no no problem with the way that he dealt with the baby like yeah sure maybe a papoose but to me when he dropped the baby on the merry-go-round in the blazing hot sun it did feel like now i understand uh why it has to go there but i was like well that's gonna be a little hot that that's gonna cook the baby arguably the worst thing that he did was leave the baby in the baking hot sun he does know that someone will immediately find it which they do you know i mean like it's but i would have preferred that that be i understand why you couldn't go to the police station but there are many places where you can safely surrender a baby no questions asked so like Find your local hospital.

39:37Jason Mantzoukas:They got that little safe, which I just saw. What's that? Oh, there's some wonderful baby boxes. Yeah, baby boxes. Where you literally open up. They have them, I think, at a lot of different public facilities, firehouses, where you open the baby box. Oh, it's like a library book return? Yes. You put the baby in there that you have to surrender, and you close it up. Can I go get one? And there's no questions asked. If I see one of those, if I open it, will there be a baby in there? Well, that's the thing. I would love that. You know, it's not just like a pickup. It's not like a vending machine.

40:09Jason Mantzoukas:It's not. I can't. Okay. I can't put a$5 bill in and open it up and get a baby. It's not a baby automat. Now, look, I would love. Do you think the kids will know what an automat is? I mean, yeah. Our audience is going to definitely be jiving on the automat. I barely know what it is. I was going to say, June, do you know what an automat is? I don't really. The thing that I love about that sequence, too, And this is why this movie to me is so fucking funny is he goes, you know, someone will find you. And then a woman goes, my God, look at this. Someone left a baby. Boom. Just killed immediately.

40:51Jason Mantzoukas:The movie has great timing. And it's like anybody who's missing these jokes that like when the middle of a fight, he spells, fuck you. And then Giamatti turns and then he shoots out the rest of the letters and spell. Fuck you too. Come on, guys. It's so funny. It's very funny. That happens, though, in this movie. And I just want to address it because it's something that always bugs me. And I don't know if anybody else has this issue. Picture a giant shoot him up sequence. OK, the one in the staircase where he's flying by that. You know, he's he's going down the staircase on that rope or whatever that is.

41:25He's tethered shooting everybody. He kills in that sequence. It seems like at least 75 grown men minimum. OK. But one of my pet peeves is that once he gets to the bottom, Paul Giamatti and Paul Giamatti and everybody's been shooting at him. Paul Giamatti's been shooting at him. Once he gets to the bottom, he's still in range, it seems, to be killed. And yet Paul Giamatti, there's sort of this like gentleman's agreement. Like, I'll now watch you walk out. I'll now watch you exit, which is a solid like 10 seconds. Yep. Where your back is to me. I know you're not going to shoot at me, but I will very respectfully not take this shot.

42:10It's it's and there's also there's something about them now being close enough to have words that now instead of shooting, now we quip back and forth because there's some safety and feeling like, well, now I can shoot you whenever I want. So let me give you a little bit of the old business. The business. And then that's the hubris that allows for Clive Owen to get away every time. But I agree. That is a trope in this kind of a movie. Yes. And I find it fascinating. It's like we let our people exit, you know, respectfully. Well, it's the same thing, too, that happens. And it didn't happen in this movie.

42:45But I feel like happens in the versions of these movies that aren't self-aware, which is they decide instead. Now that it's the two of us left, why don't we put our guns down and settle this like men hand to hand combat style?

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44:15Jason Mantzoukas:Everything's either going to be okay or not. And Season 3 of the HBO Original Series, House of the Dragon on HBO Max. You have power within your cross. Get the Disney Plus Hulu HBO Max bundle today. All of these and more streaming soon. Plans starting at$19.99 a month. Terms apply. Visit Disney Plus Hulu Max Bundle dot com for details. I will say favorite scene of the film is the sex scene. The sex scene is absolutely incredible. Like, look, you got him delivering a baby, having a gunfight. And then you think in this moment, like, oh, we're just going to have like a little bit of a sex scene. And for the amount of nudity in this movie, I do actually think it doesn't seem gratuitous.

44:53Jason Mantzoukas:The amount of like, I don't know. I don't think she's ever nude. I mean, she's nude, but you don't see anything. Yes. Yes. Oh, it's such a great sequence. And, you know, I have to like really tip my hat to Monica because she's having an orgasm and won't stop until she climaxes. climaxes and she's being shot at left and right and i wondered i don't know about anyone else but i wondered like oh if you're a sex worker and you have men who are sucking milk from your boobs like is this just like she has not been able to have an orgasm or or honor and like this has to have a connection i feel like they seem to have chemistry was electric they know they know each other from the past.

45:42He brings the baby. When he shows up, we didn't say this, which I very much laughed at. When he shows up at the brothel to find her, I'm assuming knowing she's lactating because he knows her already, he's carrying the baby in a brown paper bag with packing peanuts in it. And I was like, this movie gets it. I loved it. So the sex scene to me, this is what's great about the movie, is that they're in the middle of having sex. Gunmen burst in from every door, window, every place. Not only do they not stop, they escalate the sex. The sex now starts gets better. And Monica Bellucci isn't like, stop, let me hide.

46:24She's like, keep going. And that's the movie is... She's like, little death, big death, it doesn't matter. Yes. I think the movie is leaning in. Right? Leaning in? Yes.

46:35Jason Mantzoukas:I mean, I think that's what Sheryl Sandberg meant by that. Like Sheryl Sandberg said. There is something about that relationship, though, that you feel good about. You feel like they got it together. This movie is a great example to me of giving us some information, but not too much. And relying on the actors to build a history with just chemistry and connection. Because you did feel it and you felt that they've been through something together, that there was a lot of love and respect there. and yet also like they're very wary of each other. I thought they did a great job. My favorite part, the thing that really genuinely like not touched me, but I was like when she says to him when they're going to separate and she says to him, What if it don't come back?

47:28That's not going to happen. There is no way to be sure. Yes, there is. And he puts the gun on her ring finger like it's an engagement ring. He puts the trigger cover or whatever around her finger like a ring. I loved that. I was like, this is romance. This works for me. Same.

47:49Jason Mantzoukas:And by the way, it also just goes to show you, like, I think that we live in a time where like, oh, what's the backstory? What's this? We need more exposition. This movie has none of that. No, we don't. None. And we're just running. Trust us. Trust us. Don't trust the discord, but trust us to fill in the blanks. Now, did the audience trust it? No, but that's okay. I mean, the movie did not, it was not a hit. That's shocking to me, to be honest. I blame the times. It's just too early. I blame the times, yeah. It's like, because I think that - What year? 2007. I think after this, you get movies like shooting aces, right?

48:26Jason Mantzoukas:Which was like, kind of like, oh, we're doing a bigger thing. You're seeing like action that is just bigger and more bombastic. I think that that style, that John Woo style comes in and is Americanized after. Well, and that's and I feel like the movie that then dominates and sets the template is Taken, which I think is 2009. I think somewhere around there. Taken, I feel like really is like, no, our hero is stoic. His mission is unequivocally good and without and there's no commentary. It is just a forward-moving shark of a person who just kills everybody in their way so that they can rescue the helpless woman, you know?

49:09I totally agree. I think that the one piece that I missed, and it's possible I just was looking down at my notes at this time. When we're in the car sequence and the baby falls out of the car after the crash, and Paul Giamman runs over and you think the baby's been destroyed, and it's sort of a robot baby. It's a very realistic robot. Where did that baby come from? Who knows? Don't pull at that string. Yeah, that one. We just have to believe that he... Don't pull at that string. And the other string not to pull at is when he goes to the gun factory. What's the gun manufacturer's name? I can't remember.

49:47He goes to basically... Hammersmith. He goes to the Hammersmith factory where all the bad guys are, and they're manufacturing all the guns. And he sets up like 100 booby traps full of guns. I'm like, are we to believe that the gun factory has loaded guns? Ready to go, yes. There wouldn't be any ammo in these guns. See, I didn't even. I was so okay with that. And he meanwhile sets up like a Home Alone level series of booby traps where he's pulling marionette strings. And it's so satisfying and it's so fun. But the minute you start pulling it, you're like, how on earth?

50:25Jason Mantzoukas:This would have taken hours to do. right uh apparently and this is like a fun little side fact you know paul gmadi has gone through a lot of different uh phases in his facial hair and and and in his head head hair uh but when he did have to accept the best actor for sideways he was still fully in this character's hair and goatee so when you do look at the pictures of him like oh interesting choice he didn't really clean up for the oscars and it was because that he was dealing with shooting this this which was a and definitely And when you look at him, that's interesting. Look for it. That reminds me of when Hubel had to have frosted tips for like two months for I Love You, Man.

51:07Jason Mantzoukas:Oh, my God. That was amazing. The other thing that, oh, my God. There's so much. I love the scene. I love the scene. I love the car chase scene. And I love that he causes a head on collision so that he can fly out of his car into their car. Again, sliding, Jason. He slides into their van, lands perfectly. He would be demolished. You know, if real physics were applied to this movie, everybody dies in the first scene. But by this time, I'm like, I love it. He launches into their car, shoots everyone in the car, and then he's like, that's why you should wear your seatbelt. He's got zingers for every line that he doesn't overstep.

51:51Even when he's doing his zingers, that's why Clive Owen to me is perfect in this. He's not leaning into the jokes. He is perfect.

52:00Jason Mantzoukas:Because he's not even putting the James Bond swarmy, like that kind of swarmy. No, it's just clean and it's nice. And I mean, this man is skydiving. He does it. That's the other thing about this movie. The shootout in the sky is incredible. And that's not even the end. Every time you're like, oh, this is a sequence where you can't top this. And you can. Yeah. Is it the final sequence where he does put bullets in each of the like the divots or the holes in his hand, the holes in his hand and lets them get heated up like popcorn to then assassinate the final guy? And I'm like this, this movie. And that's what's great about the movie is.

52:42And I suspect maybe why people wanted us to do it is that we would say that's ridiculous. You can't hold up a bullet to a fire and aim it. You wouldn't be able to do it. No, the point of the movie is...

52:55Jason Mantzoukas:It literally was something they did on Mythbusters to disprove it. Oh, did they? That's not funny. We're doing Looney Tunes. The man's eating a fucking carrot. He basically... Like, he is eating a carrot multiple times like... Never-ending carrots. He always is running out of ammunition and guns and everything else. He never runs out of carrots, which I loved. He must have a carrot vest under there. Maybe that's why he slides so easily. It's just like it's sort of flushed to his skin. It's just a vest of carrots. And if they go this way, maybe they just roll. They're allowed to, you know, like it's giving him the ability to roll.

53:30By the way, you can turn orange if you eat too many carrots. Okay, that's true. That's true. It is true. It is true. I wonder, too, if we're meant to believe that part of the reason he's such a crack shot is because carrots help your eyesight.

53:45Jason Mantzoukas:That is literally what I believe is part of it. And I think what they realized was in the beginning, it was like he has great eyesight. And then they're like, oh, this is a Looney Tunes. Like, let's lean into both. And then carrot gags are like, then he has to kill people silently. And then he's just taking that carrot and shoving it through people's heads. I gotta say, though, carrots do not taste good unskinned. And it seems like he's eating carrots just in the raw. He doesn't have time. You know that I only recently found out that baby carrots are just big carrots that have been carved down into small form factor?

54:22Yeah. I'm finding it out right now. What are you talking about? Baby carrots are just big carrots that have been carved into that. Right. There's no such thing as a baby carrot. That's not a thing. What's baby corn? I think that's just a corn varietal that is small. Wow. Wow. Well, I'm now different now that I know. Here's my only criticism of Clive Owen and Monica Bellucci on the run parenting. I think they can come up with better than newspaper diapers. I love. Well, did you see the artistry that she was doing with those newspaper diapers? Like origami level stuff. I mean, can't they just find cloth or paper towels?

55:06I mean, there's so many things. Take off your hat. Take off that other sock. I love when he took off his sock and put it on the baby's head. On the bus, when he sees the mother putting a hat on the baby, he's like, oh, I should be doing that. There's moments like that that are really tender and work, again, because he is a great actor. Now, I do think that's the only excuse for going barefoot on public transport. I've seen people do it on airplanes, and it's been very upsetting to me. Barefoot, not socks? Barefoot? Barefoot. Barefoot. But I sat next to a woman barefoot, like wearing like wearing flip flops on a plane, went into a bathroom that I knew because I had been in it.

55:49I knew was covered in piss. Yours? Oh, the floors are disgusting. Disgusting. Disgusting. Disgusting. No, I've seen so many people get on a plane in sandals. And then this one flight I was just recently on, he had sandals on very like worn down leather sandals sat right next to me. and then he took off his sandals and placed his bare fucking feet on top of them and i was like i am so i truly had to knock myself when they put their feet up on like the chair in front of them or you know like up so that they're like on display i don't need to see your stinky ass logs while you're on the plane put it away put it away put it away people i'm uh i'm like i'm Who's the anti-Tarantino?

56:36No feet, please. Chop them off. Except if you're Clive Owen and then you're on public transport and your baby needs a hat. True. He just skates out of the head so quickly.

56:45Jason Mantzoukas:By the way, I did have a heart-to-heart with my stepmom this past week where I was describing foot fetishes. And I will say that I embraced it. Wait, why was that during a heart-to-heart? Because I was, we were talking about. I heard it. I was on a phone call and I sort of heard it happening in the other room. And I was like, it was actually a heart-to-heart, Jason. Because I was trying to help her explain a lot. If you can believe it. It was a heart to heart. It was a heart to heart to kind of explain how people have different sexual wants and desires. And yet some we put on a stoop and we say, well, that's made up.

57:20Jason Mantzoukas:Or I don't know if I believe that they are that. And I'm like, well, let's look at this one. We know no one's questioning the validity of this one. Was she asking about the fetishes that were on display in the Monica Bellucci scene? Did she watch the movie? I think this movie would have broken her. I know for a fact that I feel like she didn't want to even see Train Dreams because she thought it was going to be a little too edgy. Yeah, a little risqué. I don't know where I went with that. I have a question. But why is there, and I want to be clear, I'm not bothered by this at all. I don't understand why there's a tank in the city.

58:05I had, I thought it was some display. It's a museum.

58:09Jason Mantzoukas:That's why, because the other mother's yelling at the kid. And I love that moment too, where, you know, where he kind of comes after that mom for being abusive in the thing. Yeah, it's just in a museum. He just knows about the museum. I missed museum and I was just like. I did too, but I accepted it again. And there's lots of things I didn't. Yeah. I didn't question. You can't. I loved at the end of the movie when he finds them in the roadside ice cream shop slash diner that looks like a tit. The design of it is a boob. Like Monica Bellucci is so associated. It is a boob with cream in it, with milk in it, with ice cream.

58:51Oh, God. That's like the end of the movie is also, don't worry, there's still lactating titties out here in the middle of the desert.

59:00Jason Mantzoukas:And for a movie that I think is like, they definitely address like the gun as a dick. This is a movie that also really just supports the boob, you know, because I mean, that is that is that's something I can very much get behind. Oh, God. Like like Underwire. I am also here to support the boob. I mean, that that that line. June looks so upset. Oh, God. And again, this is why we need to go on video. Let's talk a little bit about this movie. Just to give you a little bit of an update. Because I did tell you, it did not make a lot of money at all. The budget of this movie,$39 million. Concerned budget, right?

59:48Jason Mantzoukas:Pretty good for what they do. Opening weekend, 5.4 million, made 12 million and worldwide gross only 27. It was not a hit in any way. It has a it stands kind of right in the center on the tomato meter and the audience score, both at like 65 and 67 percent. That is shocking to me. And I'm also shocked. I'm shocked that it's that it did so poorly. And I'm also shocked that it does not currently have a like and it is now a gigantic hit on Netflix or something like a new appreciation for it. That's what we need to do. I think that we need to lead this charge because this is a movie that I think also had some weird moments associated with it.

1:00:32Jason Mantzoukas:So apparently they marketed this movie with a YouTube video, which was a bulletproof stroller. And they had the video was it was an ad. That's got to be year one of YouTube 2007. Yeah. Yeah, so where they basically have someone with a submachine gun shooting at a stroller while a baby was inside to prove that the stroller was bulletproof. People did not get that that was funny. They thought it was real. Like, this movie kind of had that thing where people are like, it's too much gun violence. It was banned in the UK. Like, a billboard of them was banned. And, you know, it just was a movie that I think hit a lot of different weird moments where it was just not accepted.

1:01:19So surprising.

1:01:20Jason Mantzoukas:Yeah. And I think that people haven't seen it because I literally put it on my letterbox last night. People reached out to me. I put stuff on my letterbox all the time. People reach out to me to say, oh, my God, I love that movie. It's so fun. It is so fun and deserves to be celebrated in the same way that I feel like everybody now rallies around like we do the Fast and Furious movies. Yes. The completely over the top bonkers level action movies. This is that only better in many instances. And this guy doesn't go on to make any other movies. That's what I wanted to know as well was what else did he because this is very well done.

1:02:03like this could have been a disaster you know because it's not it's 39 million dollars for this level of stuff is not a lot of money and it looks great it's it's edited great like this is a

1:02:14Jason Mantzoukas:great successful movie you know and i was talking to again my friend and maybe i'm talking a little bit out of school i'm not this is not talking out of school he told me some some things but he was saying that like the the thing that was a bummer was everyone's so proud of it it's it's a movie that they feel really good at it kind of bombs at the at the box office but he was like i would go into meetings and no one would give a shit it would be like oh i was i was the director's assistant i pitched all this stuff i did all this and no no that it didn't people did not like this movie when you type and shoot them up the first question is it a parody people are confused uh and that's and that this is the this is the unfortunate thing i think that we take things at face value a little A little too much.

1:02:54Well, I also think the audience for these types of movies might just not get the joke. Right.

1:03:00Jason Mantzoukas:Or it's marketed to one person, but it should be marketed to a different person. Which is why they are like, oh, no, we get it when it's taken or we get it when it's Fast and Furious. But this? Why is he doing What's Up, Doc? Like, what? That's crazy, you know? This is it. You know, so obviously we had opinions about this movie, but there are people out there with a different opinion. It is now time for second opinions. Paul and Jason and June talk a lot about what makes a movie good or not. But everyone knows they're actually full of shit. We need a second opinion. Someone that knows what they're talking about.

1:03:44We need a second opinion. We need a second. Oh, give me a second. We need a second opinion.

1:03:57Jason Mantzoukas:Thank you so much, Wolves of Glendale. They are awesome. All right. I will tell you some second opinions because there's a handful, 3 ,702. 72 % are five-star reviews. So Amazon gets it. Amazon's on board. Victor Collado writes, and this is one I'm going to have to have you guys break it down for me. The title is Nice, Super Excellent. It was written in 2025. A lot of codes in this movie. I hope many people follow. The world become better. Five stars. A lot of codes in this movie. I hope people follow. The world become better. Oh, like Clive Owen's codes about don't hit your kid or liking dogs.

1:04:45All his kind of code of honor that he has. Oh, I like that. He seems to me, and we never find out, he seems to me to be some sort of like a samurai kind of a man without a house, without a boss.

1:04:59Jason Mantzoukas:Yeah, the man with no name, the kind of Sergio Lleone. This one is from Randy, 2015. Randy writes, come on, if you're a guy, you gotta love this movie. And is there a hotter woman in the movies than Monica Bellucci? No. I sure haven't seen one. I agree and it goes perfect guy movie five stars I mean I just would say perfect movie I don't think we need to gender it no and then finally this Amazon customer no name given in 2022 simply titles his review Guns and writes glad I finally watched this movie in its entirety this was my favorite bad guy ever I'm sick of cowardly bad guys. Five stars. His takeaway was Giamatti was not a coward.

1:05:57And I would argue... I mean, I don't necessarily think of other bad guys in other movies as cowardly. I just don't know who he's... Hans Gruber is not cowardly. No, I guess.

1:06:07Jason Mantzoukas:Oh, please don't kill me if there's a scene like... I mean, look, that kind of a... This guy was like, I'm going to go down. I don't care. I'm going to go down. I only have one question, which is, I understand at one point when Clive Owen used the hand dryer to burn the man's hand to drop the gun. Great sequence in the dark fight. But then he heated up his own gun to fire Rick. I didn't quite understand what was going on there. I couldn't. Also, how hot do hand warmers get? Well, I think those are old hand warmers. This is before you. It looks like, because they have an insert shot of what's inside, and it looks like an old cigarette lighter from a car.

1:06:48You know, it looks like there's a heated up metal coil in there that you could truly burn yourself on. I was like, that can't be right.

1:06:56Jason Mantzoukas:I imagine that he wasn't holding his hand that close either. That would mean that we'd all have a burning sensation when using a handgun. And that guy's in the Secret Service. If you're telling me this guy's enough of a pussy that he drops his gun because his hand got a little hot, come on. uh so discord did they do it did they do it right is the question reluctantly i will say well done discord i guess i mean i still i still would i i would disconnect it nonetheless but but yes redeemed after the disaster of uh league of extraordinary gentlemen i will also say june we did not watch this movie together you watched it at a different point and that was one of my great sadnesses that I would not be able to to see you react to it.

1:07:45Jason Mantzoukas:I'm happy to hear that you liked it. That's so sweet. I I loved it. I did have to wake up, set an alarm to watch it. You watched it at what, like 9 a.m.? No, I watched it at 7. I started. Oh, my God. That's why you were tired. Oh, that's so funny. Yeah. 7 a.m. I watched the movie. Well, first I got the kids there. I woke up at six. Kids ready out the door by seven. And I'm driving, so I don't see any of this stuff. Okay. I'm just saying. I just want to make it seem like I was doing something to do.

1:08:20Out the door. They're out the door by seven, so that hour is like crazy. And then at seven, I turned it on. I watched it. And then I said, I got to go back to sleep. And then I did sleep another half hour. Oh, wow. That's what a morning. I would love to know what your dreams were like in that half hour. Really crazy. I really it was it was a very messed up sleep. I mean, I don't nap and I always everybody wants to tell me to take a nap. Like I never feel better afterward. I don't believe it. Why is everybody always telling you to take a nap? I'm always telling you to take a nap. Everyone. I mean.

1:08:56Always trying to. Yeah. Always. You're always telling me to take a nap, too. and I have never felt better after a nap in my life. I think that is dismissive. Take a nap. You know what I mean? I don't like that. I don't like that.

1:09:10Jason Mantzoukas:Well, Jason, you liked it. I liked it. We all like it. I loved it. Loved it. I think this is, again, this goes right up to the top for me in terms of movies we've done with Face Off, with Con Air. This, to me, is a thank God this got made. Iconique. Yes. Yes. And also just makes me go like, man, Clive Owen, good career. Interesting. I mean, like he's coming off like a croupier. Like he's doing like this. Well, if Clive Owen was meant to be, he's one of those great, like almost was careers because he was maybe going to be Bond. And then he has this run of movies, this being one of them. The Tony Gilroy movie with Julia Roberts, Duplicity.

1:09:52inside man he's got a bunch of movies in a row that just do not perform and it just including children of men that do not get him to that next level and it's heartbreaking i would love to see him as parker in a donald westlake adaptation he to me is the perfect parker we need that please i'm talking to you shane well you would have to have him recast mark wallberg at that point then oh okay okay so um i i mean i agree with you one million percent like

1:10:26Jason Mantzoukas:i feel like i think he could still get like you know he could still i mean he was on the nick and that people love the nick but that's the next 10 years old now guys get involved with the nick oh yeah it's really he's like he's good he's so good um he's incredible all right so any final thoughts here uh i think we we've said everything that needs to be said but uh we do look to you the discord to get into it like let us know about what's happening with lactating women uh you use your expertise so we don't unplug unplug it jason's right disconnect it please disconnect the discord what are we doing oh my lord uh what a blast it was to watch does the discord exist is the discord part of like the dark web i think it is i mean people it's very hard to get on uh and Okay.

1:11:13Jason Mantzoukas:Do you have to get on, like, the Silk Road? I can't say it legally. I can't. Once I admit how to get there, then I am implicit. But, yes, thank you, Discord. We will visit you again in a year when we give you another chance. Oh, that's a nice, healthy time away. And, as always, if you find a moment in this show that you would like to save for a howdy, let us know because we are collecting those in Discord as well. So it would be way easier for us to do the howdies instead of just deciding to do the howdies and then going, oh, what moments do we like? And then that then that makes us not do an episode of the howdies for nine years.

1:11:52Jason Mantzoukas:OK, so that is all for now. Discord, you've done it again. That's right. Thank you for voting. Thank you for making a choice, even if it was a wrong one, because honestly, at the end of the day, we really did enjoy the movie. as always if you have a correction or omission for this episode leave me a voicemail at 619 paul ask that's 619 paul ask write a comment on the discord at discord.gg slash hdtgm and on next week's last looks we will respond to your messages and i'll also chat with jason about all the movies and tv shows that we are currently loving hey if you subscribe to new york times you can read an article about me and my taylor swift documentary that was a great uh little piece uh written about dads and daughters.

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