Sleepaway Camp w/ Zack Pearlman (HDTGM Matinee)

25:42The mom is the gay lover. But then how do you explain Ricky? Wait a second. How do you explain Ricky? No, no, no, no. Ricky is her son, right? Yeah. Desiree Gould. It was played by a real actress. Her name is Desiree Gould. No, no, no. I know. Well, we didn't. Well, we didn't. I didn't intend that. Oh, okay, right. All right. Well, all right. We can get... Oh, Desiree Gould. All right. So we can get... Let's get into it. I want to hold off on one more second before... Because I think the end is going to open up all these things. I mean, Wikipedia does... Okay. Yeah. Well, the first death that happens is one of the cooks, the guy who makes that comment about Baldi's, attempts to rape Angela.

26:21Oh, yeah. Very quickly. Instantly. Very quickly. He is like, oh, you want some food? Why don't you come back into the pantry? And then starts unbuckling his pants. He's like, I'll give you something to snack on. Yes. Or whatever he says. It's so upsetting. and then Ricky finds Angela, grabs her, and runs out. And then the cook punches a box of tomatoes. A huge box of tomatoes. A huge box of tomatoes. Then Angela comes back later on, or the killer comes back later on. Spoiler alert. Huge spoiler alert. I'm obsessed with this scene because the cook is salting an enormous pot of boiling water. Well, first he says, is it boiling?

27:02It's like a 55-gallon drum of boiling water. and he goes, is it boiling? And he goes, oh, it is. So that we understand it's boiling water. Yeah, it's boiling water. And he says, that a girl. He does say that a girl. That a girl. That a girl to the water that is boiling. Always got to talk the water up. My favorite part is how angry that guy gets at the drop of a hat. He's out of salt. Fuck this salt. Everyone there is on the border of just freaking out. That makes everybody a suspect. So he gets on a stepladder. This is my question. No, no, a chair. A pot is so large. I'm sorry, a chair. The pot is so large that he must stand on a chair to pour the salt in.

27:42The salt it up. Now, meanwhile, how much salt would you have to put? I know you put a little bit of salt in a pot of boiling water. Paul, I'm so glad you asked because our passion being that, how did this get made? It turns into a cooking show. The question we don't know is what's he preparing the water for? Well, I would assume it was corn because he had all that corn on the side. So then you would put a significant amount of salt in there. Yeah. I thought that was interesting. For those of you keeping notes on the cooking part of the show, it was very interesting. So he's standing on a chair salting this water for days.

28:09I mean, listen, that's a lot of sodium. These kids, this is at a time when we didn't understand the dangers of salt. And I also think, by the way, that that's why he has a few pounds to lose. Because he's been over salting his food. He's been over salting their food. He has really high cholesterol. Yeah, he's putting a lot, he's very heavy on the salt. Big guy. So then the killer comes in. And we see a pair of hands coming up, hands outstretched. Like first person. Now the camera is first person. We are the killer's POV. Yes. Which was crazy. Killer cam. Killer cam. The best part of every single death in this movie is the way everyone goes, oh, it's you.

28:48I have to ask. It was unbelievable. I put together a clue. I'm obsessed with how he dies, though, because what happens is he realizes who the killer is. he tells her to he tells I mean you're just spoiling who the killer is

29:08I didn't say it you didn't even I didn't say it you didn't even say by using a gendered pronoun you didn't even the biggest thing was I guess I did the kid just keep on moving the kid the kid pushes his butt reminiscent of the father who also got his butt pushed in the opening scene and then I'm certain that is not meant to be a thematic reference in a body of water in a body of water and then the guy is frantically holding on to his shelf now meanwhile he's like about a foot off the ground at any point he could go any which way but he's holding on like he's holding on to the side of a building like oh alright help me over this thing he is in no physical danger whatsoever at all and instead of being like stop it he's like I'll offer you some I'll get you an ice cream sandwich.

30:01No, when he falls, though, he could fall any which way. Yes. But loose. So he falls in such a way that he grabs the 50-pound pot of boiling water, I guess, and pours it all over himself. Burning him to ridiculous, again, a yelling scene. This yelling scene, if you actually go through the math of the yelling scene, and I have it written down, because it cuts from him yelling in the same position to him gauzed, same position, still yelling. Yes. If you think about how long it would take for someone to call the ambulance, because people just stand around when they see people get hurt. No cell phones there.

30:43In this film, Ben walks in and he's just like, and he's just watching this guy scream, boiling his face. If you think about it, if you think about a camp that's removed from a city, how long it would take police officers and an ambulance to get there, that man was sitting there for an hour and a half screaming in the same position. Well, I would also want to add to that, too. Not only did the ambulance get there, and not only did the ambulance get there, but then a doctor got there, and they did a lot of work in the kitchen. Because when you see him being removed from the kitchen, he's still screaming, but is totally gauzed out.

31:18Like, that would be something that they would do in the ambulance on the way to the hospital. The doctor was like, you know what? I'm going to set up shop here. There's a lot of fly traps hanging around here. That's so weird. And the doctor, they literally say to the doctor, were his eyeballs burned? And he goes, it's too soon to tell. Too soon to tell? You would definitely tell if his eyeballs were burned. And is that, are they asking, why do you ask if his eyeballs are burned? Because he just, like his main thing is seeing children. That was weird because I guess if the, I know, but if it was, if it was the chef that was badly burned.

31:51I think the first question you'd probably ask is, are his hands okay? Not when it's a pedo, chef. Their concern is mainly, their concern, the guy that runs the camp's concern is like, get him out of here. Don't tell anybody. We still need to make dinner. James Earl Jones' dad. Can you be the cook? And he's like, I guess so. Yeah. That's it. Camp goes on as normal. Yeah, camp goes on as normal. That's the thing that's shocking to me is it's not until like six deaths in that the guy that runs the camp seems a little bit suspicious. And he's not even suspicious. He's just kind of like, ugh. All right, we'll combine the camps and we'll make it smaller.

32:25And we've got to keep this camp going. Because he keeps being like, people aren't going to send their kids to camp if they know about all these deaths. How much money do you think the camp is bringing in every summer from these kids? Oh, this is a great question. Because it seems like. What are the economic finance? This is another great, how did this get made pocket. What are the economic finances of the business that is part of the movie? Let's break it down. And the last stuff for you guys, we were talking about the finances of Camp Arawak. Just because the camp owner seems like he's going to lose...

32:56I guess if you're a camp owner... I don't know. It just seems like he's going to lose millions if this camp gets shut down. By the way, he's so concerned. He smokes a cigar, and only millionaires smoke cigars in the public. That's true. He wears black socks up to his knees with shorts. With shorts. By the way, we'll find out later on. He's also fucking the children of the kids. He's also asked on a date. She's a counselor. To be fair, she's a counselor. That's a little less egregious. It's not Meg. Is it Meg? Yes, it's Meg. It's Meg. And Meg is into it. He is like a Milton Berle looking old man.

33:32Yes. And she is like, I got a date tonight. I got a hot date. What? You are dating like a... She asks him on a date, but he's already asked her on a date. Yeah, she says, remember when you said... She's following up. Remember when you said you wanted it? How about that dinner you said you wanted it? And he's like, oh, sure. Come on over. The man was born in 1922. This movie was in 1983. Did you give me an idea of how old he was? That's the age difference that we're talking about. 63. And, of course, Meg, the beautiful Meg, was born in, let's see. Oh, they don't say when she was born. She's a teenager.

34:05She's maybe 16. Yeah, she's 16 years old. And she's psyched about this. Yeah. And is, you know, probably, like, to me, Meg is the real bully of the girl. Meg and Judy are the bullies. Judy's so, Judy's a very dark character. Judy is a bitch, but Meg is the muscle. Meg is the one that throws Angela in the water. That's interesting. Judy's more like psychological. I like that Judy has a shirt that says Judy. Judy. I love that! I love Judy's hair. I've never seen that one hair. Side pony. Side pony to the vagina. Just FYI, if you have not seen this movie, chances are you have, because it is almost You can see now that Wet Hot American Summer directly parodied this movie.

34:45There are even scenes that heavyweights stole from this movie. It's crazy. Characters are dressed the same in Wet Hot as they are in Sleepweight Camp. The side pony, all that sort of stuff. It looks identical, too. I asked Camarino last night. I emailed him because there was a weightlifting Jewish guy who was the voice of reason at the camp. I go, did you base your character on this? He goes, yeah, part that guy and part a guy in meatballs. So that was the impetus to Ken's character. All right, so the second murder happens in a boating accident. This kid is flirting with a girl, wants her to see the water snake, which would be his dick in the water.

35:28Flips over the boat. Lots of boat flipping. To get her into the water. So he can show her his water snake. To get her into the water. Mix it up a little bit. Hey, there's a hard water snake here that needs to curl into your drill parts. But it's just so difficult to float in the water. What was he planning on doing there? I'm serious because their feet weren't touching the ground. Hey, look, this is 83. People were fucking in all interesting ways. People could do anything. Yeah, so now this kid is now trapped. He just decides to hang out underneath the canoe that he flipped. He's high on drugs, by the way.

36:00He's high on drugs. Oh, is he high on drugs? Yeah, he and the other kid are high on drugs most. By the way, though, what did he do to the killer to get her so upset? To get the killer so upset. That's what I said. You said to get her so upset. No, I said the killer. Either way, we don't know the killer could be male or female at this point. I said the killer. To get him so upset. He said, what did he do to the killer to get her so upset? Please go see this movie. Do not wait for our amazing reveal of this. I can't do this. I can't do it. We've got to just get to the ending because it's going to be so good.

36:35It's so good. So he's now high on drugs singing a song in the boat. He's alone. He's alone. Now, I played this. I put two clips back to back because it is what happens when everybody sees the killer. So these are two clips of people seeing the killer. Here we go. Oh, my God. What the hell are you doing here? I bet the rest of the boys will be interested in seeing you. That's number one. Here's another killer. It's you. What do you want? Well? Then she gets knocked out. So they always are saying, you. I knew it was you. Do you think, I can't imagine being 14 and seeing this for the first time. Oh, God.

37:15Wait a minute. I didn't realize, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that Judy was killed by having a hot curling iron stuck into her vagina. Yeah. June pointed that out. I thought it was being burned, but June's like, no, it's going into her vagina. Yeah. Of course it is. Of course it is, yeah. Like in the shadow. It's like being pushed. How did you think she was killed? I don't know. I don't know. You told me so. That was the only way for Judy to die. By getting a curling iron in the VJ. Absolutely. Oh, boy. And by the way, would that kill you? I mean, no. It would burn your vagina. It would burn your vagina into uselessness.

37:51But it would not kill you. It would certainly not kill you. Yeah. No, no, no. You would just like melt your vagina. Wait a second. Could there be a sequel to this movie where we see Judy with a burned vagina? There are three sequels to this movie. Oh, you know what, guys? I actually know the answer to my own question. There was a short film released on sleepawaycamtv.com. It's called Judy's Return. So you can follow the 16-minute return story of Judy as an adult. And I haven't seen it, nor probably will I. But you can see how her burn vagina does in the future. Judy's a real sad character. I think what Judy admires...

38:26Judy and Angela have an interesting relationship because I think in so many ways Judy would like to be more like Angela. Why do you say that? Because Angela is innocent. Yeah. That's it. I think Judy sees a little bit of her old self in Angela and has become something else. Last summer self. Last summer self. Last summer self. She sprouted those tits. It's crazy because that scene where that guy rejects her a little bit, I mean not even that much, she goes nuts. Yeah. I also feel like everyone in this movie though, They hate Angela because she's a mute some of the time. By the way, she's a mute some of the times.

39:01Some of the times she's a totally well-adjusted girl. It goes back and forth. Oh, I don't know if I would say well-adjusted. She just talks. She talks, but in a way that's kind of, it's not like the mom. It's not overly creepy. It's like a girl. It's normal. Oh, boy. I have a really important question for when we get to the ending. All right. So basically, all the kids will grab her and go, How come you're so fucked up? Like, God damn it, answer me! And they shake her. They're always shaking her. Because she doesn't talk, it throws people into rages. Well, they project all of their own fears and insecurities onto her.

39:33Well, when that kid was killed in the boat, even the camp counselor in the morning was like, Oh, God damn it! Look at all these chairs! And he's like throwing chairs around, and then he just uncovers a dead body. That's so decomposed. In less than like, what, five hours? From late night until early morning, the body is mangled, right? Well, but that's not decomposition. It's not decomposition. It's water snakes. It's water snakes. A water snake does climb out of his mouth. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. That was hilarious. What, you think the water snakes ate him? I thought he was beat to death or something.

40:05No. No, that was his body being drowned. Oh, no, it's a snapping turtles. Oh, yeah, he did this. It's a snapping turtle. This movie is so stupid. There are literally maybe like eight times I said to my, I keep thinking in my head, this is the part of the movie where nothing makes sense. It's just like the entire film. It makes, well, okay, well, by the way, so the kid's dead. Then there's the police come to kind of inform him that there could have been an accident. This is the accident debate here. As far as I can tell, the boy drowned. Of course, we'll have to wait for the medical examiner to check him over before we can be certain.

40:41Of course he drowned. He was horsing around. A canoe tipped over. He must have hit his head. I don't think so. Weren't any bumps or bruises when I checked. Though, again, I'm no expert on this matter. It was obviously an accident. I mean, the boy might have got scared and panicked, right? That could be a logical explanation. So it was one of those fluke accidents we could not have foreseen, and that is all there is to it. I don't know. It was an accident. So that is the camp counselor, or the head of the camp, just trying to justify. By the way, he's smoking a cigar during that scene. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

41:13I'm not technically, man, that guy is the best, that security guard. Can we move ahead to Meg's death? Yeah, sure. Okay, so Meg. This is the most improbable death, I think. Tracy is dead. Yeah. Meg is getting ready for a hot date with old fuck action camp counselor there. Megan Mel. Megan Mel. Megan Mel. Hearts forever. 16 and 60. 16 and 60. That's a new MTV show. So she's taking a shower. Because she's surrounded by like handsome men her own age. Yeah. Oh yeah. A lot of them. And even handsome men closer to her age than Mel. So she takes a shower in a different bunk because all the girls are using up the shower into hers.

41:55And she's, by the way, singing the craziest song in that shower. But not even singing. No. Humming the entire time. She's like, he hum hum hum. Hum hum hum. He hum hum hum. It's just like the fucking weirdest. It's maddening. With a huge smile on her face. Then all of a sudden she leans back on the shower so her back is against the wall and the killer stabs through the wall and stabs her from her neck down to her ass. Yeah. Yeah. In half, pretty much. Yeah. Now, at no point in feeling the knife go into her back does Meg step forward. Nope. In order to avoid the knife destroying her. Nope. She stays firmly with her back against the wall.

42:43Feet planted. Feet planted so that the knife can continue to wreak havoc with her back area. It's almost like someone's scratching it and she likes it and she's like, oh yeah, get it. She really edges that knife into her. Oh, man. And so she dies and presumably stays in such a precarious position that her body, until Mel comes to find her much later in the movie, Mel walks into a room. She's been dead now for arguably a couple hours, right? Oh, God. A couple hours. But the minute he walks into the room, she falls into frame. So she was hanging so precariously that he didn't even move a curtain.

43:19He doesn't do anything. She just kind of enters. enters the scene. They could have made that scene so much easier if he just moved the shower curtain and she fell out. Nope. She just falls to the ground. So weird. So do you think the knife was holding onto her back and in the wall at the same time? No, because the knife... Remember, she takes the knife out and cleans it. Yeah, so she was just standing up, a dead person standing up. Standing against the wall. The wind shifted. Absolute nonsense. All right. Honestly, that speech he gives, which had to have been improv'd, when he sees Meg die is unbelievable.

43:56I do have that as well. I'll play it. It's a little hard to hear because the music is so overpowering, but it's worth trying to hear. Here you go. Oh my God. How'd you make?

44:09He did it.

44:14I had him. I let him go. Please.

44:21I'll stop him. Gotta stop him. Don't get away, Maggie. Never get away from me again. And as he's talking, he's talking with his finger at his, like, almost like a stereotype of an Italian man, like, hey, I'm going to make him a cop a cooler, you're never going to forget. He's presenting this information like this. Oh, my God. I love that all of the times where he wasn't talking, it would cut back to the back of a body. Yes. And it wasn't like, oh, something else has happened to this body. It's the same shot. Nope. Same. So fucking weird. And no blood at all. No blood out of there. I guess the blood was drained out.

45:06Oh, my God. By the way, I want to just talk about one line that was pretty great. Hey, man, eat shit and die, Ricky. Hey, eat shit and live, Bill. That was one of the classic - And all the other kids were like, ooh. That was a great comeback. So a bunch of other camp counselors die. Or kids die. The guy gets killed with the bees. Yes. Wicked dump. This is amazing. The amazing. That's it. You have her in that, so read it because I don't have her in that. I'll be right there, guys. But first, I got to take a wicked dump. that's a line in this movie that an actor memorized and then said and takes a magazine into the bathroom where the killer the genderless killer reaches in and puts a beehive in the toilet with him by the way another slow ass reaction first knifes out the screen on the window takes a while and the guy doesn't we never see the guy in the stall we only see his feet it's like hey who the hell is that that continuous stick is wicked shit.

46:14Does not look around. And then someone puts a beehive on a stick and puts it in there. It looks like an old-timey hobo stick. It's a bindle. It definitely looks like a bindle. My problem, my only problem with that scene was they put a very thin broomstick to stop him from getting out. It's like we start on a pretty large gap between the floor and the top of the door. Just get out of there. And that beehive, like at the end when you see all of the bees on his dead body, that beehive contained thousands and thousands of bees. His body looked so eaten alive, it was as if you locked him in a beehive.

46:57In an actual beehive for days. But this is like two minutes later, he is. The same thing with the boiling water. His body was like boiled alive. Oh, shit. And that was after the amazing water balloon scene, which our main character, Angela, gets a water balloon and goes down like she was John F. Kennedy shot. Like, pfft! You motherfuckers! And these kids are playing with water balloons on the roof of a cabin. Like, just all on a roof. All fighting on a roof. Ricky, Ricky's outbursts, like, I can't imagine where the headspace he had to go to. Well, that's why I think in your mind you're supposed to think, like, is it Ricky?

47:35Is it Angela? we don't know who the killer is. Because Ricky is so aggressive. So angry. And so overprotective. And even Mel is like, even Mel suspects him at a certain point. He's like, why are you always protecting her? Why is you? You did it! I saw you by the thing or whatever. And Mel is accusing Ricky of doing it. The thing I wanted to talk about was at a certain point, Angela gets a little boyfriend, Paul. Yes, yes. Paul starts to like Angela and they're holding hands after movie night. And then he kisses her. Oh, this is the best scene. He kisses her behind the bunk. She's like, where are we going?

48:17And he's like, I just want to show you something. I just want to show you something. And then they go behind the bunk, and he plants the meekest little kiss on her, and she's like, I have to go inside. I have to go inside now. I mean, now don't you. But this is the flashback, right? But she does like him. But she does like him. That's what I want to get to. Okay, okay. That's what I want to get to. But this is the flashback, right, where she... Literally, it says, smash cut to gay sex. Yes. Cutting to these two men. And, like, I don't know if you guys... This is where you find out that the man on the shore was the gay lover.

48:57We didn't know this. We should have said that at the beginning. We didn't know that. I didn't think he was the gay... That the two men were gay lovers in the cold open. No way. In this scene, which appears to take place in a black box. It's like that episode of Family Ties. Exactly, that's what I was going to say. Where Alex's friend dies and he has to go to therapy. It's like a community theater thing. It's like a Brechtian production of something where it's a black box. And the two little kids now, they're back to being little kids, are looking at the dad and the man like bone zoning. Yeah, just doing it.

49:30But they also are bone zoning like a thing. It was tender. It was tender. They were touching each other's faces in a tender way. Yeah, they weren't ramming. And then the two little kids, they weren't ramming. And then that dissolves to the two kids, the little boy and the little girl in bed, like touching each other like the men were touching each other. But not even trying. Wait, what? Don't they touch each other's faces? No, it's like E.T. It's like E.T. Oh, he's poking her tit. He's like, his finger is just going slowly at her. But he never touches her. And it's super creepy. And the camera's like rotating around their bed.

50:02It's like, what the fuck am I watching? Well, but that wasn't, I don't think we were supposed to take away that they were molesting. She was slowly molested by her brother, I said. No, that was definitely incest. It was definitely incest. Total incest. Total incest. It's like an underlining theme in the entire film. You guys, that's not true. Yes, that's why they showed that scene. No. The reason why they showed that scene was that we see the boy pointing to her, which is why we're thinking she's the killer. Angela's the killer because he's pointing at her. No, no, no. No, no, no. What are you guys talking about?

50:34What the fuck are you talking about? There are three people who are going no, and one person is going yes. That was not an incest scene. It was an incest scene. It was so incestual. It was. It was totally incest. He's pointing her tit. He's like, basically, it keeps dissolving. It keeps dissolving to his finger getting closer and closer and closer to her. It's like, that is like something sexy. He's pointing at her like you. No, he's getting closer and closer. Like, I'm going to touch this. I'm going to touch your kid. I'm going to do this. It was so creepy. It was like they just saw Sex and then they were going to mimic it.

51:09That's exactly what it was. Yes. All right. So now we're getting to, let's just get to the meat of this fucking movie. Literally. So the whole movie is pretty much predicated on an amazing five minute ending sequence. So Angela decides that after she's been upset with this boy, she's going to finally take him to the bone zone. Yeah. And we cut to a flashback. Anyone can take who wants to describe this scene. We cut to a flashback of the creepy mom that we established in the beginning. Also, oh yeah, go ahead. Do you want to go before? Well, that's fine. That's fine. Well, okay. What happens is a bunch of people are killed.

51:52Yes. And then all the people are running around chaos. And they run down and they find Angela and Paul naked on the beach. The beach. Okay? And it looks very tender. Yes. Angela is humming and cradling Paul, right? More humming. More humming. And they come across her and her back is to the people and she's naked. Then you dissolve into this flashback. And it's Aunt Martha. And Aunt Martha, again on a Brechtian set, starts doing this thing. And we see it's like right after the accident. Child's come to visit. The surviving child has like a head cast on or something. Yeah, that's the funniest part is like that doesn't exist in any world.

52:34No. I have the dialogue here that I can read. It cuts into this. Oh, you're going to enjoy living with us so much. Yes, I know you are. As a welcome home present, I bought you such a wonderful new clothes. I hope that Richard doesn't get jealous that I didn't get him anything. oh but then he's such a dear i'm sure he won't mind you see i've always wanted a little girl but of course when my husband left oh well that's all water under the bridge as i always say water under the bridge but it certainly will be a nice surprise when richard comes home to find a little girl in his house yes i've always dreamt of a little girl just like you that's the monologue we find out that Angela is actually the son.

53:21The little boy survived. The little boy survived, not the girl. And the mother raises the little boy, whose name was Peter, as Angela, who she says, because it's from the angels. Yes. And then you cut back to camp, present day camp. Angela gets up. Paul's head, decapitated head, rolls off of her lap. She's holding a knife, screams this crazy blood-curdling scream turns around to face everybody and has a tiny dick. And that is bonkers. That's how the movie ends. Angela is the brother. Holy shit, it's crazy. That monologue, though, actually, when you read it, answers a lot of my outstanding questions.

54:04Okay, so from that monologue, we're to understand that the man on the beach was her husband. No! No! Left. Yes, thank you! Zach. Left. Yes, but was her husband but left her. Left her for the guy. So, yeah. Right. By the way. The guy on the beach was married to Martha, you're saying? Yes. Yeah, I think so. Oh. So, wait a second. So, you're saying the doc is coming is like, he's not gonna be like, my wife is coming. Got it. The doc is coming. Fucking, what's her name? The doc. Well, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Because I really want to understand this. So, you're telling me that Martha and Martha and dude on the beach were married.

54:43Let's just call him And Gary. And Gary. Aunt Martha and Gary were married, okay? And then dad of Peter and Angela. Dad of two little kids, Angela being the boy, Peter. Peter slash Angela and little boy. Little girl. Little girl. Little girl. Sorry, little girl. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Guy on boat. Guy on boat. So he was presumably married to somebody, right? Yes. They are gay lovers. Right. Yes. Are they? I don't think they're married. But the kids are, but she is their aunt. She is their aunt. Wait a second, I figured it out. The guy on the boat with the two kids and the guy on land, Gary, they are related.

55:23That's what I said. And it was incest. Yeah, so it's incest. So that's why she gets custody, because she is the aunt of that little girl boy. I think she is the, I think it is incest in the sense that it's like through law. That's, yeah, I think that, yeah, I'm with that, yes. So maybe Martha and the kids' mothers were sisters. Right. And these two men married these two sisters but decided to bone zone each other. But they were not related except by marriage. Because that's how the kids caught them. The two little kids were at a summer house when they had some sort of family thing. And that's when they saw the men having sex in the bed.

56:04We're to understand then that when the doc is arriving at the summer home, she also has Ricky in tow, which they never mention. Yeah, they never mentioned Ricky. By the way, I do think that we were wrong on one thing. This did not take place. The boating accident did not take place in front of the camp, even though it would lead you to believe because the camera pans off the camp. It did. It totally did. It did? It had to do. 100%. All right. For a camp. I thought it was. Those kids came from a camp. By the way, he even goes like, he was like, I don't want to lose my job, but okay. All right, maybe you're right.

56:33Okay. It's got to be. It's got to be. And that's why she starts to go crazy when she's back at the camp. Back at the camp. The water, it's just terrible. It's too much. It's too much for her. All right. So also to understand, though, that Angela slash Peter is a gay boy? Like, she's been raised as a girl, so probably has a crush on Paul because of... Because he's a guy. He's a guy paying attention to her. But I'm sure that's why the kiss is so... She reacts to the kiss. So weird. And that's also why she won't get in the shower. That's also why she won't get in the shower. Right. I think she's just an asexual murderer.

57:06See, Wikipedia just says... That's interesting. Wikipedia says the man on the shore is just his lover. That's all it says about that man on the shore. But it says the doc is coming. Yeah, the doctor's coming. Well, why would the doctor be coming to the beach? It's just... Because the doctor is the aunt of the kids. So just unrelated, the doctor. Unrelated, the doctor's coming? Unrelated, he's like, you have to get out of the water. The doctor is coming. Maybe it's your sister's coming. He could have said your sister's coming. No, he said the doc. No, no, I know, but he could have said, Your sister's coming.

57:39Your sister's coming. Somebody's coming. Hurry up. Get to shore. We have to cover up all our gay stuff. Maybe. I don't know. Did you guys notice that cop at the end had the worst mustache? Oh, the worst fake mustache I've ever seen. That was bought in a prop. It was worse than Eric Bana's beard and Hannah. Well, again, if you go on the idea that this is a real camp that made a movie over a summer, it was not that bad. I do want to talk about the spirit finger death. Every time people get killed in this movie, their hands kind of go up like, and they're in spirit fingers. Like, they just go really wide and back and forth because they only show it through shadows.

58:18Do you think, though, that we're to understand that Ricky, does Ricky know that Angela's a dude? That is a terrific question. No way. No way. Well, because the mother does say he'll be so happy to have a little sister. Yeah. So the presumption being the mom is going to tell him it's a little girl. So I don't know. Then why is he, oh, is that why he's so protective? He's like, it's my sister, it's my girl sister. I do want to just clarify one thing here. Do you know who was supposed to originally play the part of Angela? Jane Krakowski. What? No way. Yes. Where did you see that? On IMDb. Apparently she dropped out at the end.

58:56That's fucking crazy. And the movie was indeed dedicated to the director's mother. Those are two things just answering those questions just so we know. A real doer. Can you imagine if that movie was dedicated to you by your child? I'd be like, what did I do? I have not done. I have not done. I will say this. People should 100 % watch this movie. It's on YouTube in its entirety. In its entirety. It's amazing. And even if you're not going to watch the movie, watch the last 10 minutes. Well, I think the payoff only works with the full. Maybe. Yeah, maybe. I will tell you also, a new film, Return to Sleepaway Camp, was completed in 2003 and initially struggled to find distribution.

59:34It was directed by the same guy of the original. He decided this chapter would ignore the storylines of the previous sequels, stating he wanted to pick up where the original film ended. According to Fangoria, the digital effects were redone in 2008, and the film finally found distribution and was released in 2008. And basically, if you want to follow the story, it's called Return to Sleep Wake. I just would like to add something to this. That movie, you're correct. is a sequel that the director made. But in the 80s, another director made two sequels called Sleepaway Camp 2, Unhappy Campers, and Sleepaway Camp 3, Teenage Wasteland.

1:00:15In them, Angela, now played by Bruce Springsteen's younger sister, Pamela Springsteen, resurfaces at a nearby sleepaway camp, but this time masquerading as a counselor after a sex change that made her entirely female. Then there's another sequel called Sleepaway Camp 4, The Survivor, directed by a whole different person, which was partially filmed and never released. This is all Wikipedia. Can I just bring up how Paul pitches himself as the best friend ever? He's like, yeah, me and Ricky hung out all. We're best friends. These are the shenanigans we got into last year. And she's just thoroughly impressed to the point where she's like, that's great.

1:00:56And that's her first line. Yeah. First line she speaks, like 45 minutes into the movie. Yeah, and it's... But by the way, I think the really big question that remains is why didn't she go to camp before? What was she doing? Being a boy. I mean, like, just probably the mom probably didn't want to... Oh, she couldn't do the physical. No, but the mom did the physical. That explains why the mom did the physical, too. Guys, by the way, I'm reading the whole plot summary for Return to Sleepaway Camp. It looks like everyone had returned. Ricky returns. Ronnie returns. Every surviving victim returns many years later to find the real killer.

1:01:36The real killer? It wasn't Angel? Well, I think maybe Angel is coming back. Maybe it's like Psycho 2. Obviously, we had an opinion about this movie, but it is now time for a second opinion. These are five-star reviews, cold from Amazon. I can't even decide which ones to read here because they're so good. Ben Conrad writes, Plot, characterization, screenwriting, or acting might be the conventional criteria that most film buffs use for grading a movie's greatness. I used to believe that, too, until I saw Sleepaway Camp. After that, I drew a new template for my own evaluation. Amazing. Based solely on sheer audacity.

1:02:15This movie is poorly written, poorly acted, and it ends if someone just slammed the brakes on a tractor trailer that was leisurely cruising at 200 miles an hour. This movie stops, and you're never the same again. Five stars. That's true. This is my favorite one from Christina Rusta. Oh, actually, not my favorite one. Second favorite one. I got to say, when I first watched this. Thank you for clarifying. Sorry. I need to know the hierarchy of these. Second favorite. Not as good as my final favorite. I got to say, when I first watched this movie, I was around four years old, and I had nightmares for a week over the last shot.

1:02:50Now, when I watch it, being 24. By the way, nobody remembers their nightmares from four years old. Maybe if you saw a dick out there like that and a headless kid. Now when I watch it being 24 as of 2009, I think it's pretty good. And it's a really good past the time kind of movie. What does that mean, past the time? My brother owns this movie and we watch it when we order pizza. Well, for a brother and sister to watch this movie over pizza is really weird. Something you'll want to have said. I watched Sleepaway Camp. Great movie. Five stars. That's something you will, oh. That is the weirdest.

1:03:27You know what's something I want to say? I've watched Sleepaway Camp. I just haven't been able to say it yet. Dot, dot, dot, great movie. I watched Sleepaway Camp, dot, dot, dot, great movie. That's part of the whole quote. Wow. That's not like, I watched Sleepaway Camp. So it's like, you want to have said this. It's amazing. This is written by, it's titled, A Kid's Review. Honestly, I don't know what people are thinking when they call this movie bad or dumb. The people who call horror movies funny, that's a sure way to tell that they're bluffing. Don't listen to those people. Okay? This is a wonderful slasher flick.

1:03:57I will not give a detailed synopsis, for I do not want to ruin it to you. I will tell you that you were in for quite a scare. The killings are nothing short of spectacular. The characters are somewhat likable. The ending is so scary that when I first watched it, I let out some strange noise. Not quite a scream, maybe a moan of terror, and I ran out of the room. My mother said I looked like I saw a ghost, and I told her I had seen something worse. Watch this movie with a dog. Or if you think. Wait, what? Yep. Or if you think you can handle it, I barely can now. I just love that scared feeling. That's why I like well-made horror films.

1:04:38Watch it alone. Watch this movie with a dog? Be warned. You will be scared. I guarantee it. If you are not scared, then I am nothing but a wimp. This will invoke fear in you. Be it slight, which I highly doubt. There are some tough-hearted people out there, like war veterans, LOL. What? Wait. No, that was a joke. That was a joke. I still watch this movie, and it scares me. By the way, I'm not a kid. I just forgot my password. I'm 17, and I live in Brooklyn, New York. So you know it's not some 8-year-old in the middle of nowhere who gets spooked by the Halloween episodes of South Park. Have fun being scared.

1:05:17Wow. Holy cow. That is one of my favorites. That was as well-written as the script. someone also just said this is better than anything that Kubrick has done oh my god that's great anything that we did not talk about that is worth mentioning we've covered it oof definitely watch it it's on YouTube so good big thanks to Zach Perlman whose show The Inbetweeners airs on Monday nights on MTV it's a really funny show and you can follow you on Twitter right yeah at Zach Perlman and it's with the C-H right C-K C-K I'm glad we clarified that Jason still not on Twitter Nope June what do you want to plug I don't know Icy's Icy's ice pops Thank you to everybody who listens to the show Thank you to everybody at Earwolf Thank you Cody for our engineer for the day Thank you so much we'll see you next time Bye bye happy Halloween