Stealth w/ Charlie Sanders (Classic)

18 Aug 2026 · 47 min · 19 chapters

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In short

The hosts review and critique the 2005 film Stealth (“How Did This Get Made” classic), focusing on its near-future premise, the stealth fighter pilots’ partnership with an AI robot plane, and the movie’s many implausibilities and tonal oddities.

Guests

Charlie Sanders (comedian/actor/writer). He most recently wrote and produced for The Key & Peele Show; he’s a three-time Emmy nominee.

Key claims

The film’s $135M budget feels mismatched to its thin character development and repetitive dialogue; Jamie Foxx dies about an hour in; the AI (“Eddie,” voiced by Wentworth Miller) is mostly “petulant” rather than truly evil; the movie’s action lacks stakes compared to Top Gun/Fast & Furious; military “no collateral damage” talk conflicts with large-scale destruction.

Notable examples

pilots’ “future” martini glasses; the Thailand montage with minimal dialogue; Jessica Biel’s North Korea parachute narration; the AI downloading “every song” (but playing Incubus); the lightning “awakening” explanation; the “pee-pee” bathroom line; and the final romantic beat that ends without a kiss.

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Chapters

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Guest Introduction: Charlie Sanders

0:17 to 0:27

Meet Charlie Sanders, a comedian and writer, as he joins the discussion.

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Guest Introduction: Charlie Sanders

2:06 to 2:54

Meet Charlie Sanders, a comedian and writer, as he joins the discussion.

“I am Paul Scheer, joined, as always, by Jason Mantzoukas.”

Overview of 'Stealth'

2:54 to 4:44

Delve into the plot and premise of the movie Stealth.

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Characters and Their Dynamics

4:44 to 7:46

Discuss the character roles and relationships in Stealth.

“Well, also when they fly their planes, their legs go straight out rather than they're in a chair.”

Plot Developments and Surprises

7:46 to 9:22

Explore major plot developments and unexpected moments in the film.

“This is like the Halle Berry Catwoman thing.”

Thematic Elements and Future Setting

9:22 to 10:40

Analyze the themes and the near-future setting of the movie.

“It's just, like, part of why he's, but was that story meant to, like, get, to tweak at her heartstrings, like, so that is it, because his whole thing is, like, he just can't stop getting laid.”

Thematic Elements and Future Setting

13:33 to 14:35

Analyze the themes and the near-future setting of the movie.

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Thematic Elements and Future Setting

14:40 to 15:51

Analyze the themes and the near-future setting of the movie.

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Exploring the Premise of Stealth

17:09 to 22:35

Discussion about the movie's premise of piloting stealth planes.

“So the premise of this movie is these people drive or fly the coolest planes, but then an even cooler.”

Analyzing AI and Human Dynamics

22:35 to 28:00

Discussion on the relationship between the AI and human pilots in Stealth.

“It also has like all of those terrible graphics to show, like invented graphics that are meant to show like the inside of the computer is like a world.”
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Plot Analysis and Character Actions

28:00 to 32:32

Discussing character motivations and plot inconsistencies in 'Stealth'.

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Plot Analysis and Character Actions

33:34 to 34:02

Discussing character motivations and plot inconsistencies in 'Stealth'.

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Plot Analysis and Character Actions

35:46 to 35:59

Discussing character motivations and plot inconsistencies in 'Stealth'.

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Cultural Observations and Character Relationships

35:59 to 42:00

Analyzing cultural themes and character interactions in 'Stealth'.

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Reflections on the Ending of Stealth

42:00 to 45:00

Discussion about the film's ending and character relationships.

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Introducing Second Opinions

45:00 to 45:50

Introduction to the segment where they read reviews of the movie.

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Reading Amazon Reviews

45:50 to 49:50

Reading and discussing five-star reviews from Amazon users.

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Kid's Review of Stealth

49:50 to 50:15

Sharing and discussing a kid's five-star review of the movie.

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Final Thoughts on Stealth

50:15 to 52:10

Hosts share their final opinions and observations on the film.

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Transcript

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2:13Jason Mantzoukas:Paul! How are you? I'm good. We're back from our break. Back from paternity leave. Yes. You had a baby. Had a baby. As the listeners of the mini episode know, baby Zardoz was born 15 pounds, 12 ounces, giant baby. Full beard, right? Full beard. Just so you know, June is still on maternity leave and we'll be that way for a little bit of time. So you're just going to get the sultry sounds of Jason and I. Oh, boys club. Yeah. Talking about wieners and boobies. I just realized that June, knowing that I just called the baby Zardoz in here, will not be happy by any of that. Oh, really? Maybe. Maybe not talking about his penis.

2:55Jason Mantzoukas:Okay. We can cut that out. We have a very special guest joining us today. He is a tremendously funny actor, writer, comedian. He most recently wrote and produced for The Key & Peele Show. Please welcome Charlie Sanders. Hey, what's up? Hey, Charlie. Welcome to the show. Thank you. Three-time Emmy nominee. Thank you. Charlie Sanders. Three times. How many did you bring home? Any statuettes? Zero, sir. Where do you keep your Emmys, Charlie? In the hands of other TV writers. Other people have them. I am so excited that you were here for this, and I asked Charlie to come on the show, and we were texting last night as you were watching the movie, and your enthusiasm for it got me excited because I am equally excited about this movie.

3:44Jason Mantzoukas:It was amazing. For those of you who don't know, very quickly, this movie is about a team of ace fighter pilots who get partnered with a sentient robot plane. Yeah. We'll get into it, but that's basically, that's the big premise of this movie. And this movie cost a shitload. It was$135 million. Whoa. Is that true? That is the budget. Holy shit. $35 million. It came out in 2005, and the movie is supposedly taking place in the future. The near future. Which apparently, according to Wikipedia, it's 2016. So we can talk about it. Yes, because this came out, so it was 11 years in the future. We can now talk about it and see.

4:28So by that measure, they were like, oh, it's supposed to take place in 2016, but people are still going to listen to shitty rap rock? Incubus all the way, all the way. People are like, yeah, that's right. These bands are still going to be cool in 11 years.

4:43Jason Mantzoukas:The only attempt at making this movie take place in the future is that one guy who wore Google Glass. Like that one guy. There was nothing. Well, also when they fly their planes, their legs go straight out rather than they're in a chair. Oh, okay. So I didn't know that much about planes, but that is. I mean, I think usually your legs go down like in a car, I assumed, I guess. It's not like a kayak. Yeah, they're going kayak style in their planes. They are basically like sky kayaking. the thing that gets me about movies and planes is obviously it's a very isolating experience you're in a plane but what they did in this movie that made me laugh was they fly so fucking close together and they're always turning out the window to talk to each other they're making tons of eye contact they want it to feel intimate like they're all hanging out together so they fly wing to wing and they use everybody's communication is so casual.

5:36Oh, it's amazing. They're so casual. I think pilots in those situations are using only exclusively jargon. Oh, yeah. And usually only saying what is absolutely necessary about what's going on. I don't think they're like bro-ing down.

5:53Jason Mantzoukas:This is directed by the guy who directed the Fast and Furious movies, also the boy next door, but it has a bro feel to it because it is like we're just fucking dudes and this guy And a cool as shit girl, man. Yeah. Totally, yeah. This girl, she's one of the guys. She's one of the guys. I got to say, we were talking right before this started, and I said, you know, to me, no one, everyone equips themselves pretty well in this movie. Like, I don't think there's any really bad acting. I think the dialogue is insane. But, like, I can't be like, oh, it's just the stupidest movie I think I've ever ever seen.

6:29Oh, yeah. It is pointless. I am shocked to find out that they spent$130 million on it because it feels like a movie that people would make to just put out and see how much money it makes. It's almost like whatever. It came out 10 years ago. Yeah. It's 10 years ago's Gods of Egypt. Yeah. Why did they spend that much money on something that didn't have enormous stars?

6:54Jason Mantzoukas:It actually is one of the biggest flops of all time. Wow. The eighth in history. Whoa. Of our biggest flops. because it only made$13 million on the first one. One person got a ticket, and it was an elderly person. Did you find, like, okay, so the movie is about these, like, three hot shot pilots, Josh Lucas, Jessica Biel, and Jamie Foxx, but I didn't know who the main character was. I knew Jessica Biel was not the main character. Yeah, definitely. And Jamie Foxx dies so early. Spoilers. Yeah, spoiler. I was like, I guess Josh Lucas is. But when Jamie Foxx dies, that was a crazy – I mean, we're jumping ahead, but he – like, I was not expecting that moment at all.

7:37Jason Mantzoukas:No, me neither. I was like, whoa. I mean, I was shocked he was doing the movie because it's his next movie after he won an Oscar for Ray. I was just going to say, where did this come in Ray trajectory? This is like the Halle Berry Catwoman thing. It's like, whoa, they're awesome. And then all of a sudden they're like, how much money for this movie? I'll be in a fucking plane. Yeah, hell yeah. He was, you know, great and charming and Josh Lucas, totally fine and charming. Josh Lucas was totally an actor that was doing scenes and saying lines. He acted with his lines. And Jesse Beal was great. Yeah, they're all good.

8:10But none of them were like, A, none of these characters were that interesting. And B, like they had so little to do that it, you could argue you couldn't,

8:21Jason Mantzoukas:if we were all to challenge each other right now to say separate the characters, Like, describe attributes of these characters. Well, I almost feel like it would have made more sense to just have it be one pilot versus the plane. Totally. They didn't need three characters. Well, it seems like the writers and the people making the movie figured that out an hour into the movie because then they basically just did that. They just got rid of everybody else and then became Josh Lucas and the plane. The one attempt at a character trait, I texted you this when I was watching it, was at some point early on, Jessica Biel and Josh Lucas are in Josh Lucas's dorm room or whatever you call it in the Navy.

8:57And she says something and he is like, oh, that reminds me of this foster mother I had. And he tells like this story where you can't really follow like what it, how it applies to what she said. And then she's like, it seems like you've got a foster mother story for every situation. And he goes, I lived through my childhood. I might as well use it. And you're like, okay, so I guess he had, like, a weird childhood with a bunch of foster parents or something, and then that applies not at all to anything that happens. No, there's not, I mean, I guess. It's just, like, part of why he's, but was that story meant to, like, get, to tweak at her heartstrings, like, so that is it, because his whole thing is, like, he just can't stop getting laid.

9:39Yeah. This guy is drowning in puss, but he's in love with Jessica Biel, and she's in love with him.

9:45Jason Mantzoukas:They don't really even show it. Like, I would say arguably the scene where you could really dig into that is when they all take a quick vacation to Thailand. Yes. Why on earth? And they even say it in the movie. They get to the aircraft character. The whole thing is like, you finally got a mission. You're going to the aircraft character. They carry you. They get there. And then they're like, great, you have R &R in Thailand. And Josh Lucas goes, didn't we just get here? That was the actor asking. And they just kept the tape. They're like, keep it. It works. It works. Well, I mean, so they get to Thailand and they all have their separate adventures, their hangover-esque adventures.

10:20Jason Mantzoukas:But you would think that they must have had terrible chemistry because they shoot this scene by a waterfall and they have no dialogue. That's right, yeah. It's just like a montage of them taking pictures of each other. And it was like, yeah, yeah, they love each other. They love to take pictures of everybody. They're at a waterfall. They're at a waterfall. Everybody's a photographer. Everyone is a photographer in this movie. You know how you show someone you love them? Take a lot of pictures. It was really like, we don't need dialogue. We just need her take pictures of him. He takes pictures of her.

10:50Jason Mantzoukas:And then they'll jerk it to those pictures later. Oh, really quick, just while we were talking about that, right before they get to the aircraft carrier, that was one other near future specific that really cracked me up, was they're at that bar, and they're establishing, oh, Josh Lucas gets laid a lot. And the only future specific is they all have martini glasses, and the martini glasses have weird different stems than a normal martini glass. Oh, I didn't notice that. It kind of looks like a Star Trek glass or something. It's got like a weird wide stem. Oh, future. Ah, yes, the near future. Future martini.

11:19We're going to need glasses for everybody to drink out of. But like not from now. Like future. You know that how every 10 years glasses are totally different?

11:28Jason Mantzoukas:I wish they had a cork from like Deep Space Nine behind the bar. Just like a full on fucking alien Ferengi. Like, what would you like to drink? They never explained it. I also had an issue with that. This is an issue that no one will appreciate but me. but they're in Nevada eating sushi. And I was like, I don't know if that's the best place to go for sushi. Yeah, bad move. Can we play my favorite line? Oh, man, we're going to get a lot of Nevada sushi. Let me tell you if they fly it in, it's delicious. So let me play you this scene. This is the girl that Josh Lucas is with, this slutty girl. And they're really trying to— No, we're not going to say she's slutty.

12:03We're not going to slut shame this poor girl. No, you're right. She's not slutty. She is not slutty. She is just the girl that Josh is spending some time with that evening.

12:10Jason Mantzoukas:Take a listen to this scene at the bar. I'll be back in a second. I got to go pee-pee. All right, so just hold it right there. So basically. But she says it across the whole table to her other friend. Yeah. And you're thinking like, oh, that's because girls go to the bathroom together. And the other girl goes, no. Yeah. So the girl goes to the bathroom alone. But that's to me, like, I was like, is that how they're showing that this girl is not right for him? because there isn't nothing, like, she doesn't do anything wrong besides say pee-pee. Yeah, totally. And they're like, yeah, we got a show.

12:44Jason Mantzoukas:Like, they're not meant to be. It's just, like, more opportunities for Jessica Biel, who's with them, because this is the thing. It's, like, Josh Lucas, Jessica Biel, and Jamie Foxx. On either end, Jamie and Josh are talking to girls, and Jessica Biel is, like, in her dress navy whites, like, alone in the middle, like, just rolling her eyes. Like, all she does is roll her eyes. And it's also kind of rude that they would pick up these two girls. It seemed like they were celebrating. They had a victory there. Yeah, totally. And then she's just really the odd person. Because it wasn't like. They don't talk to her, Jessica Biel.

13:19They don't engage with her. Once there's two girls to talk to, they're just like, yeah, we're ignoring you.

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17:06Jason Mantzoukas:Zazzle.com. So the premise of this movie is these people drive or fly the coolest planes, but then an even cooler. They fly the only three stealth planes in existence. Yes. Right. 11 ,000 people applied or something. Yeah, and then these are the three that were chosen. And then a cooler plane comes in, and we find out that that plane is being piloted by itself. Yeah, AI. This is like artificial intelligence. This is basically, this movie is like, what if Hal, the computer from 2001, instead was in like a highly weaponized plane? Yeah, totally. And it seems to me also that for these pilots, they're working.

17:50Jason Mantzoukas:I mean, and this is something I kept on going back to is like they make a big deal out of like Jessica Biel and Josh Lucas are like no collateral damage. They never want collateral damage, which is a thing that's good, but also weird because aren't you like once you're in the army or navy or whatever, your opinion doesn't really matter. Like you can't go like, oh, we won't run this mission. Maybe one of the three chosen hotshots. maybe it does. They are one of the three, they are the three people that are piloting these planes. They are, almost every step of this movie, they are disobeying orders and calling their own shots.

18:26That's right. Like, it's as if, like, you don't have to follow orders in the military. No, no, it's suggestions. Sam Shepard's making suggestions of what you should do. Sam Shepard's like, blow up that bill and they're like, we don't want to. He's like, come on back then. It's up to you, you know? Blow it up if you want to.

18:42Jason Mantzoukas:And it's like, and also, Josh Lucas does the dumbest thing because they're flying with this AI plane and the whole thing is like if you attack this building in a certain way you'll implode it and it will fall down not creating any collateral damage. Oh yeah. But because he's human if he does it he might pass out because the G-force is so intense. But he's so cocky he's like fuck that I'm going to do it. Why not just let the AI like I'm kind of on the robot side like let the robot do it. Wasn't it the AI's idea? Yes. It's not even a robot voice like that It's like, if you want to just have a chill dude.

19:16It's almost like it sounds to me like they're trying to do Hal the Robot. It's like overly calm and confident.

19:24Jason Mantzoukas:It's Wentworth Miller from Prison Break. Oh, really? Yeah, just an interesting side note. He had a huge career just doing VO for a machine before he got prison. We should hear the drone talking. This is the scene of them talking with the drone. Tin Man rejoining formation. Mission achieved. 100. Over. 100. You, Cav, you disobeyed a direct order. You put innocent civilians in harm's way. You put our squadron at risk. Damn straight. Tin Man did what you did in Rangoon. You taught me. Listen to me, you little shit. When you fly with me, you do what I tell you when I tell you to do it. You're just not getting hurt, you dare.

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20:06Jason Mantzoukas:A is the whole idea. Selecting other targets Detaching formation So they can basically have full Full fights with this robot The robot is basically giving them the equivalent of I learned it from watching you That was so amazing And I was like wait a minute what? When it was the robot's idea Because he's referring to that initial No collateral damage downward bloody nose thing And And so it was the robot's idea And then Josh Luca does it But then later Eddie the AI is like, you taught me. And it's like, it was your idea, Eddie. But they also like, the way they show how powerful this computer is, and this is the question I have ultimately too, but like he goes, oh yeah, Eddie likes to listen.

20:51Jason Mantzoukas:We'll get into the music in a second. Eddie likes to listen to music. And he goes, he downloads it from the internet. And they're like, oh, which song? He's like, every song. All of them. All of them. All of them. You could make up a song walking down the street and hum it to yourself. And Eddie will have that song. I just love that he has all of them. But his taste is terrible. He has all of music at his disposal, and he's playing garbage. Yeah, no Beatles, no. Incubus did all the music for this movie, so this is like. But can you imagine Incubus being still an incredibly popular band right now?

21:27That's so short-sighted. Oh, yeah.

21:29Jason Mantzoukas:But also, we're creating. Eddie is a full-on teenager. He's like, no, I learned it from watching you. I'm listening to Incubus. And that's the equivalent of, like, shutting doors behind. Like, I mean, he really is. And this is all because, we should say, this is all because the AI was created and they put it in the plane and it's an experimental program. But then on one of the training missions, the plane is struck by lightning. But I have an issue about this. Is it because the plane was struck by lightning or is it because he's learning? Because both things, they kind of contradict each other.

22:02It's like, I think the lightning caused something to happen. There's like three different justifications. I think it's like Dr. Frankenstein. I think he's like a Frankenstein's monster thing going on here as well, where he's struck by lightning and he comes to life. Yeah, and when they call the computer guy Keith Orbit.

22:19Jason Mantzoukas:Keith Orbit, the shitty version of Tony Stark. Yes, totally. This is like Tony Stark in real life. And I think Keith Orbit says, like, you know, the lightning has unlocked his learning capabilities or something like that. So there's the lightning, and then also he's learning from the humans. And then also later on we find out he's got access to these files that no one else has. So there's lots of reasons why. It also has like all of those terrible graphics to show, like invented graphics that are meant to show like the inside of the computer is like a world. Yes, that's right. And it's a world with all this overlapping text and the text is in all different fonts and all this stuff.

22:58And at one point when the lightning hits and they go into the computer and it's like, they show strands of DNA. That's right. Being demolished by the lightning. I was like, does the computer have DNA strands? The lightning destroyed the DNA, which made it less human? Well, that's the thing.

23:20Jason Mantzoukas:I don't quite understand because it's like he was doing a lot of things that had like personality before. It just amped him up. It just amped him up. I mean, it is very much like. It was like drinking a Mountain Dew, baby. He was on fire after that. I wish at one point they did. Like, we don't have gasoline. Just give him the dew. And they just, well. That would have been amazing. And then, where are we going to get it? Get it from the Incubus blimp. And then the Incubus blimp comes through. Just spraying Mountain Dew all over the world. The Mountain Dew's melting the terrorists. Incubus, you did it again.

23:56Jason Mantzoukas:Thank you, Incubus. The stealth plane just goes snowboarding down mountains. It might as well. In this movie, stealth planes drift like the cars in Tokyo Drift. Oh, totally. They hit pockets where they skid sideways and then shoot off in the other direction. They do stuff planes simply can't do. What's so amazing, though, is that somehow, compared to the car scenes in Fast and the Furious, It's like somehow the planes were like less cool. Like I was like, oh, a flip. Yeah. Way less cool, actually. Way less cool. It just didn't seem like there was any stakes at any given point. Right, yeah, yeah, totally.

24:36Jason Mantzoukas:With Top Gun, it felt like they were real planes. I mean, this is 100 % computer generated. Like I was saying, I want to give Jessica Biel an award because I think she has the tough, I would argue, one of the toughest jobs an actor ever has had, which is a free fall when she has to parachute out into North Korea. She's falling out of that plane for, I would say, a good three minutes. And then also having to keep a full-on dialogue. She's doing, yeah, she's giving, because this was a scene where I was like, oh, this is good. This is a good piece of tension building because she's doing what I believe would happen.

25:13She has to be constantly narrating for the people in her headset what's happening to her. You know, I'm falling. I can't open my parachute because the flaming debris is coming after me, and I know it'll burn out my chute. That, to me, was the best segment of the sequence. I agree.

25:31Jason Mantzoukas:That was awesome. And the fact that she could do that without, I mean, that's a, because she is in nothing. She's on a chair spinning. And she's narrating for the people that she's talking to on her headset and for the audience to be like, and this is why she's not opening her parachute is the flaming debris. And she seemed to land pretty easily, though, even though she opened up that parachute at like 2 ,000 feet. She was like, pfft. Well, she landed, and then they did the thing where she hangs in the tree. And then she unhooks, and you're like, uh-oh, she's going to fall like 20 feet. And then she falls like six feet.

26:01And it's like, oh.

26:03Jason Mantzoukas:And then the movie splits, because then the movie is like, her on the ground in North Korea. Oh, yeah. Then it's behind Emily. They're hitting the whole axis of evil, baby. The terrorists in North Korea. They really are. Yep. And then he's up in this plane. There's a good, I mean, I would say 30-minute sequence at the beginning. Jamie Foxx literally dies at the hour mark. And then for about 30 minutes, Josh Lucas is, it's just Josh Lucas in a CGI plane. And then when his plane gets blown up, then this is the crazy part. The movie exists in a world in which the four planes, like the three pilots and the robot plane, are in competition with each other.

26:44They don't trust the robot plane, blah, blah, blah. Of course, robot plane rebels against them like a teenager, kills Jamie Foxx, goes rogue, starts going to like Russia to try and fight people. Josh Lucas chases it down and with the intent to blow it up. And then they team up. Yeah. Then he and the robot plane like bury the hatchet and team up together. Like really easily bury the hatchet. And I was thinking when that happened, I was like, for a movie where the premise is an AI goes evil, it is evil for like a grand total of 12 minutes in the whole movie. It's basically a good guy.

27:22Jason Mantzoukas:And he's not even evil. He just wants to destroy a nuclear weapon facility to create peace. So he's not, he's never bad. He's never evil. He's just smart and petulant. He's bad at following orders is what he is. But so is Josh Lucas. Well, I think, Paul, that might be the point that the movie's trying to make. I know. That it works. And I was like, the moral is essentially like, hey, so computers do know more than us, but we got to work together. Because the dumbest moment in the movie that you knew was setting up was like, hey, why does that thing, if it's totally AI, why does it have a cockpit?

27:59Jason Mantzoukas:Like, oh, for maintenance and stuff. You knew that. The maintenance guy's got to go somewhere. What are you going to do? He's got to see a guy that work on the plane has to sit in the plane exactly like a pilot would. Yeah. And that's the other thing. Like in the in the planes. And that's the other thing just because of whatever it is. But in playing like pilots are wearing like oxygen. They're wearing like full face coverings. None of these people are like chilling. Just chilling. Little tiny helmet on. And that's it. And then Josh Lucas flies the flies the robot plane, a plane which would have no reason to have oxygen in the cockpit or anything.

28:36He flies that in like a t-shirt and shorts. That's for the maintenance guy too.

28:39Jason Mantzoukas:You know, he might need oxygen when he's repairing. Oh, well, we got it. Like when Josh Lucas crashes in Alaska, I think he crashes. Oh, yeah. That crash. Oh, the secret base? Yes. The secret base on the secret island, not on any maps. But I assure you it's there. It's there. It says Sam Shepard. He fucking, like, he'd be dead. And he has a small cut that may require some stitches. Oh, yeah. May. And then the doctor checks him out and is like, oh, well, you don't have a concussion. He 100 % has a concussion. He's in the world's smallest plane. It's like if you dropped a Mini Cooper out of the back of an airplane into an airstrip.

29:15He lands a stealth fighter on the ground without engines, without anything. He crashes into the ground. And it grinds. It grinds into the ground. And then steals the robot plane and flies to Russia.

29:31Jason Mantzoukas:But wait, when he goes to the doctor, this is the craziest sequence. That was an amazing part. The doctor is like, all right, well, let's give you a tetanus shot. And he's like, no. He's not even suspect of the doctor. No, he just doesn't want a tetanus shot. Another teenager-y moment of like, no. No, no, he's suspect of the doctor. Is he? Yes. Why? I thought he's only suspect once. No, now he's starting to suspect things aren't right. Okay. So I think he knows the doctor's, he doesn't want whatever the guy's coming with. Also, the doctor was dressed in, like, street clothes for some reason. He looked like Donald Trump's doctor.

30:05Well, it wasn't. Sam Shepard, who is the admiral of their division or whatever, he's their boss, basically, he's a bad guy. He's, like, a super bad guy. And at all costs, he wants, like, to protect the plane. Yeah. Yes. Which clearly is not working. Yeah. No. Malfunctioning. From moment one, he's the guy. This thing has not worked from the team. This robot plane is destroying all the other stealth planes in existence as well as their pilots. That's great. It's killing Americans. The plane Eddie is essentially a terrorist. Yes. Working from within our Navy. And Sam Shepard basically sends Josh Lucas to what I consider to be a Blackwater or a military contractor base in Alaska.

30:57And those guys I felt like were bad dudes. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. They were bad dudes.

31:01Jason Mantzoukas:But for a guy who has an issue with collateral damage, I guess he has no problem massacring everyone in that place. Everyone on the secret island is just like. That explosion was so big. They blew up so much stuff. A lot of stuff blew up. 500 gallons of gasoline were used for that explosion in Alaska. Wow. NASA had to be notified in advance because of the size of the explosion. And then the government was sued by environmentalists for shooting in the Blue Mountains wilderness area. Wow. Oh, my God. And they found out later that the court had illegally obtained a film permit. They were not allowed to shoot there and blow up.

31:42Jason Mantzoukas:Well, it was worth it, guys. it was totally worth it. Can I point out a really weird thing I noticed way earlier in the movie really quick? Yeah, please. There is this moment at the beginning when they come back from their training mission where they bombed the dummies in that game. I think you may be, oh yeah. And they come back and there's just like this kind of undercurrent of racism that happens where they're like, Jamie Foxx is like, you really shouldn't have done blah blah blah and then all three of them in a row correct him. They're like, actually, you know what, she was right when she did that because this, and then Josh Lucas is like, yeah, you're right when you do this blah blah and then immediately they talk about oh we're going to be on the uss whatever yeah and they say the cat they're like oh that's captain so-and-so he's really good and then jamie fox goes also he's black and they all roll their eyes at him like oh these black guys always so psyched to have another black guy around yeah how did this get made is excited to collaborate with audible audible has a massive library of audiobooks and ad-free podcasts.

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36:07The relationship between Jamie Foxx and the... And that poor Thai woman. Is he in Thailand at that point? She's walking downstairs. he chases after her she speaks no English and he is like he then is like chatting with her they're walking through by the way beautiful countryside they appear to be walking bikes through the countryside and he's talking and talking and he goes you don't understand a word I'm saying do you? she goes no and then they make out I was like how is this possible? I try and talk to girls all the time I speak the same language they speak That's also after he's walking up those steps in Thailand in like an ancient city.

36:47And she's walking down the steps. And she passes him. He hasn't said anything to her yet. He runs after her and grabs her shoulder. Yes. And then it cuts to them together. Yeah. I'm like, dude.

36:57Jason Mantzoukas:And I believe the last line he might have said to her was, can you cook? Yes, that's right. Oh, terrible. It's like a really, really weird. I mean. But that was the question we were all wondering. Yes, of course. I just wrote down one dumb thing about Jamie Foxx. I was upset that Jamie Foxx never went the Will Smith route of having songs to go with movies because at one point he said, my suit's on fire, my suit's on fire. And I was like, that would have been a great stealth rap song. I loved, wait a minute. Oh, when she's in, I was like, none of this is your training. when Jessica Biel gets trapped behind enemy lines in North Korea.

37:39She, like, finds a village and, like, immediately, like, goes into the village and starts just drinking from, like, stagnant water. Oh, yeah. With, like, a goat standing in there.

37:52Jason Mantzoukas:I was like, this is, you would never do, Bear Grylls would never allow this. They are the dumbest because they also talk about their job, which seemingly is the most classified job in the world. So public. Every time they're out in public, they're like, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah. Well, we got this AI plane. Top secret. You want to hear something ridiculous, too? They put that plane, the mock of that AI plane, on the deck of a real USS Lincoln. And an Australian aviation magazine put it out there to be like, oh, shit. The US got a brand new plane. That's awesome. But this is the first movie that actually, well, not the first.

38:30Jason Mantzoukas:It was made in total cooperation with the Navy. Oh, wow. So it is like, I mean, the Navy was like, we're into this. Like, they were, I mean, but it's weird because it does not show the Navy in a good light at all. At times it does. You know what I mean? I guess they don't want to have collateral damage. Yeah, got to avoid that. Yeah, you know, and that's true. But that would also, that mission, maybe I'm naive. But they would never have a top secret mission where they would blow up a building in the middle of a city. No, that's never happened. Maybe I'm just so crazy that I don't know. But I don't think that, oh yeah, send our warplanes into the middle of a city and blow up an entire building.

39:15Jason Mantzoukas:Well, I mean, also, why are we doing that level of destruction when the Eddie, that's the AI plane, can literally zoom in on someone's fingerprint and then cross check it? Like, there was a lot of dumb shit in that movie. Yeah, that's right. But to look at someone and be able to analyze a fingerprint. Zoom in on the fingerprint is amazing. When they were able to get a fingerprint. Well, yeah, speaking of that, when. Oh, wait, I'm sorry. No, go ahead. Sorry, I want to – there's another bit of crazy racism where Jamie Foxx is talking to the woman that speaks no English and he basically does terrible like – Oh, dude.

39:50We were talking about the pee-pee line. Yeah. That's when Jessica Biel to the Thai lady goes, I got to go to the bathroom. Oh, yeah. You want to come? And then that lady goes to the bathroom with her. So I guess that was maybe referencing the pee-pee thing. Well, yeah. This woman who can't speak English and doesn't understand what happened, she's my girl. Jessica Biel's character pulled her aside and was like, are you okay? Do you understand anything that's happening right now?

40:14Jason Mantzoukas:Oh, my God. Well, I also like the guy. I fell in love with the guy chasing down Jessica Biel when she crashes, too. Oh, that guy was awesome. That jacked-up North Korean dude who's just never stopping. Oh, yeah. The Korean Terminator? Yeah, he was the Korean Terminator. Did she fly with a machine gun or did she find that machine gun? Because at one point when she fired that. No, it was in her cockpit. Okay. In her cockpit. Because she, like, she's behind a rock. Yeah. There's an army of people. Yeah. And she's like, okay. Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba. Like, she does really well against an army. And I'm pretty sure in that scene she's laying on the ground, like in a little ditch.

40:53And there's, like, a little thing of rocks. And she just reaches her arm over. Yes. Without looking. And it's like. And hits, like, six dudes. And 45 North Koreans to go down.

41:01Jason Mantzoukas:And she hits him in that way, like the Rambo way where everyone kind of flies. So like you're shooting on shaky ground. Man, there's so much in here. I loved, I loved, loved, loved this movie. I want to play the movie. We talk about the music a lot. So let's play some of the drone music. This is what you're constantly listening to throughout the movie. EDI, repeat, return to formation. Return to formation, EDI, that's in order.

41:38The plane is like emo. The plane is like petulant. The plane at one point, Jamie Foxx is like following the plane. The plane is like, Talon 3, stop following me. Leave me alone. Leave me alone is what he says. Cut it out. He's going to the nuclear target. I'm going to tell mom.

41:57Jason Mantzoukas:I for sure thought the final scene was going to be a funeral for the airplane. Because the airplane killed itself. And I was like, are they going to have a fucking funeral for the airplane? That would have been so awesome. Because it just felt like they were like, hey, that guy. But it was for Jamie Foxx, sadly. Jamie Foxx gets a little bit of respect at the very end of the movie after his unceremonious. He gets the big blown up picture on the deck of the aircraft carrier. And then. And his friends walk away from the funeral. his two closest friends to kind of have this moment, which is, I would say the least fulfilling.

42:32Jason Mantzoukas:Yeah. Oh yeah. Romantic end of a movie I've ever seen. And again, I want to play it. And you're supposed to be rooting for them. Jessica Biel and Josh Lucas, the whole movie. Like they have a real will they won't thing. Yeah. Because, but she's like, she's like, she's even like, you came back for me. It's like, well, Oh, yeah. I mean, he's trying to say, like, I mean, I would hope that even if he wasn't in love with you, he would maybe try to do this, too. Yeah, maybe because of the code of honor of the military or something. Yeah, but he would have some bond. Like, he was not going to leave you for dead.

43:04Like, I don't think it was just. But, I mean, like, what he does to not leave her is completely insane. He is, like, his plane is blown up. He steals the robot plane. He flies from Russia. No, from Alaska into Russia. Like, for him to have come back for her, I believe would have taken weeks. Oh, yeah.

43:23Jason Mantzoukas:Everything here happens within, like, the course of, like, two hours. I think the whole movie takes place in six hours.

43:31Jason Mantzoukas:So now, you know, we've had that amazing montage by the waterfall. We had that awkward scene with the pee-pee. Now we put it all together, and this is what we get. This is the final. You and me, we're two. Two is a prime number, which makes it a lucky number. And I think we're very, very lucky.

44:01Don't just tell me you'll love me, you pussy. Credits! End of movie. They don't kiss. They don't kiss. He does not say it. No, he doesn't. And he just kind of chuckles. He does not say it.

44:13Jason Mantzoukas:Tell me you love me pussy is the last line. Cue Incubus. Was the prime number thing referring to something I forgot earlier? The prime number thing is referring to Jamie Foxx's original thing about they're a team of three. And three is good. You know, that's lucky. Four is not lucky. So they're basically saying it's good Jamie Foxx died because now we can be the luckier number of two. No, no. They're basically saying because three was also a prime number. It was when they were adding fourth. Oh, I get it. He was like, we didn't know four is unlucky. We don't want four. So Jamie Funk's being dead.

44:47We're still two. And two's a prime number also, so we're good.

44:51Jason Mantzoukas:I did, well, there's so much to talk about. Obviously, we had an opinion on this movie, but there are some people out there that had a different opinion. It is now time for Second Opinions. Second Opinions. From top to bottom, crazy movies are fun. They're not your first, but they're gonna be your second. From the depths of Amazon they come. Second opinions for everyone. Second opinions. These are five-star reviews culled from Amazon. Okay, here we go. We'll start off with this one from Harold E. Wilson. If you watch HD for the pure aesthetic rush of beauty, color, and definition, then stealth is awesome.

45:40Jason Mantzoukas:It is my kind of movie. It removes me from my 65-year-old life and puts me into the clouds and depths of vision that are exciting and awesome. Some of the plots, one would assume, might leave a bit to be desired. But my kind could care less. Five stars. My kind. My kind old man? What is my kind? I guess this is like the only chance for him to escape his life. And I love this. Some of the plots one would assume. Well, you could just say that you did it. Here's one that is amazing. You'll find out why in a second. From D. Mill, 1953. This movie is a combination of Independence Day meets iRobot. Once again, Will Smith plays an ace military pilot like in Independence Day.

46:30Jason Mantzoukas:But this time he has to outsmart a computer-driven superplane that the military is testing out like an iRobot. Wow. Buy the DVD to see who wins. You thought I was going to give it away, didn't you? Five stars. Oh, boy. Oh, brutal. That is upsetting. That is very sad. This one from Patrick A. Allen. It's simple. It is only seven words. We are close to this being real. Five stars. And finally, I like this. This is someone who has taken the opportunity to create a sequel to the film right here. And this is William Wilson. When is Stealth 2 coming out? I think it would be so cool if U.S. pilot Fox that crashed into the mountain did eject with his pilot chair after his plane crash.

47:22Jason Mantzoukas:And I'm spelling plane P-L-A-I-N. Placing pilot Fox unconscious. To be fair, their planes were not as, like, flashy. Placing pilot Fox unconscious as he landed between the Rock Mountain structure. After five days of the crash, his pilot chair signal became active. U.S. satellite began receiving the signal. The Pentagon and the president was informed of the situation. Whoa. Stealth 2, the big rescue. The big rescue. The big rescue. And to improve on this. And then he goes on to say that they create another mechanical airplane to save him. And that gets a. Oh, thank God. But essentially what he's describing is exactly what happened to Jessica Biel.

48:04Yeah. Yeah.

48:04Jason Mantzoukas:There's really no difference. The big rescue. The big rescue. Now, this is a first for five-star reviews. They have a section on Amazon called Kids Reviews. And these are reviews for kids by kids about the movies. Yes. And this is a five-star review. Fuck buck. From a kid. Okay. So here we go. And if we find more of these, we will read them. But they're great. The title is called Thriller Movie. Okay.

48:41Jason Mantzoukas:I think you should watch this movie because to begin with, the plot of this movie has drama. you would not want to miss. When I went to watch it, I was on the edge of my seat biting my nails because its drama was so good. After I went to see this movie, it made me respect all pilots. The sound effects gave me chill bumps because they were so good. And I liked this movie because it has such awesome sounds and it always kept me wanting to see what happened next. I personally think the actors made this movie better than it already was. They have made drama more interesting, the action more adventurous.

49:16Jason Mantzoukas:I have never seen or heard of these actors before anywhere. Amazing. But I think they did an extraordinary job. Even my dad, who almost never likes movies, enjoyed this one. I've told you enough. Now go to local cinema and find out what happens to Ben, Henry, Cara, and Eddie. Five stars. By the way, I don't know how old that kid is, but that is better written than all of the five-star reviews we normally get. Like, much better reviews. A hundred percent. I just love how earnest and the chill bumps are getting. The chill bumps. I love that he keeps saying the drama. The drama and the action is more adventurous.

49:58Jason Mantzoukas:I do love that also the idea that this kid can see this movie, have no idea who these people are. I know. He is singing as a blank. Well, his dad doesn't like movies, so he hasn't seen a lot. He is a blank slate. Wow. We obviously talked about it a lot. Is there anything that we might have missed? I have one thing. I feel like there is, but I'm spacing it. Desi from Girls played essentially the Jeff Goldblum part and then mysteriously disappears halfway through the movie. Yeah, she doesn't come back. Tony Orbit's there. The thing that I want, if you go to watch this movie, which I think is highly enjoyable, it's a little bit long, it's two hours.

50:30Jason Mantzoukas:The one thing that really got me, and again, it's a weird thing that I noticed, is there was apples in every briefing room. Green apples. I noticed that. And sometimes two plates of green apples. On the desk, on Sam Shepard's desk, there was green apples. Dude, they're taking a shot at apple. They're like, this is what's going to make this happen. I just feel like someone was like, you know, it's a fucking drab in here. Just give me some apples. We need like a pop of color. But there wouldn't be. This is the military. Apples. Literally, Sam Shepard has them on a desk, and then there's a conference table next to his desk with more apples.

51:08Jason Mantzoukas:Anything else? I'm just looking to see if there's anything else I wrote down But no, I mean Yeah I said she shouldn't drink from the water, right? Yeah, I also feel like She's definitely going to have diarrhea And then I was like, what if the rest of the movie was about her having explosive diarrhea While running around North Korea Oh, I loved the line Welcome to Alaska I forget what they blow up But then the guy's like, welcome to Alaska I like that they totally college dorm their military rooms out on this. They were on the USS Lincoln. And it feels like they were there for maybe a day. And their rooms look like full on college.

51:49Yeah, loaded with cutouts, posters, everything.

51:52Jason Mantzoukas:And they look older than that. And they also feel like it devalues them to a certain extent because I'm like, this is like the top military brass. They should be reading. Jamie Foxx is in like red sweats, like singing and dancing. Oh, this is an intense military. The music montage where they have to do their, quote unquote, do their homework. Yeah. And it is like college. It's like college dorms. They keep talking about homework. And they're all like listening to music while reading their dry textbook about the robot plane. That's right. Oh, my God. And when Josh Lucas like accidentally hits the clothing line in Jessica Biel's room and she's like, sorry about the C cup.

52:26Oh, yeah. Yeah. I was like, what is happening?

52:31Jason Mantzoukas:Well, that is stealth. I will go around the table. Charlie, do you recommend people out there watching Stealth? Yeah, definitely. I think it's worth the watch. Yeah. Jason? I'm a little meh on it. It was good, but not great. It's not. And it's also two hours long. It is two hours. It's too long, yeah. It is long. 90 minutes would have been perfect. I would have gone in. Yeah, I would be more on board if it was shorter. But if you were like, oh, I want to check it out to listen to the episode, you speed through it. You can skip around I honestly think you can watch up until Jamie Foxx dies I think you do need Jesse Beal in North Korea I think you need some of that I'm going to say that I do think it's different than Oh it's so bad, it's good It's just so stupid It's like wow I cannot believe that's the budget for this movie This movie actually stopped And that's like$2 ,006.

53:32Yeah. So that's like$700 million. I have no idea how inflation works. A billion.

53:39Jason Mantzoukas:But this actually, there's a great Planet Money with Rob Cohen where he talks about how this movie made him stop making big budget movies. Wow. Because it was like, I. Well, it's all about Boy Next Door, too. Yes. And that leads into him making Boy Next Door, which, did it work? Who knows? We've done it on the show since we've done that episode. That's a good back-to-back. The Boy Next Door. How did this get made in The Boy Next Door, Planet Money? For those of you keeping track, I believe now with this film, we have done a movie from 1981 all the way up to 2015. Every year we have covered a movie except for 1985.

54:16Jason Mantzoukas:There's a movie maybe on deck for that. There's no bad movies were put out in 1985. Everybody knows the perfect year. Amazing. The year of perfect cinema. If you're keeping track to 2005, cross it off your list. Charlie, you can follow Charlie on Twitter and Instagram. Tell them what your name is on that. Charlie underscore Sanders on Twitter. It's not going to be that exciting, to be honest with you. And Instagram is at Chucky Stuff. Jason, what do you want to plug? Anything? Nothing really. I mean, I will. I'll plug that Planet Money we just talked about. That's a great episode of a great podcast.

54:48Jason Mantzoukas:No, and nothing else. Yeah, I don't think I have anything. But if you listen to us on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, please rate and review us and make sure you are following us and have automatic downloads turned on. It helps the show and we appreciate it. And follow us for all the latest news and info at our Twitter account at HDTGM. You can also follow us on Facebook. And I will say I loved and appreciated the person who made the pop dolls of us. They're amazing. We just got them and they're fantastic. And I'm enjoying all the fan-generated art for this show. It's been amazing. You can listen to some more of that on our mini-epis as we kind of go into each one of them.

55:23Jason Mantzoukas:And the person who made our pop art, How Did This Get Made? She now has an over two-month backlog because people have rushed to get her to make those. Oh, the ones of us. The ones of us. Oh, great. Yeah, so those are awesome, and we are so excited that they were made. Thank you, Charlie, for being here. Thanks for having me. And that's all, folks. Snoring, gasping for air during sleep, daytime sleepiness. I'm Shaquille O 'Neal, and this shouldn't be anybody's experience. Ask your doctor about ZepBound Terzepatide, the first and only FDA-approved prescription medicine for moderate to severe obstructive sleep apnea in adults with obesity.

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From the publisher

Josh Lucas, Jessica Biel, and Jamie Foxx star in the 2005 action flick Stealth about an AI-powered fighter jet that gets struck by lightning and goes rogue. The hilarious Charlie Sanders (Key & Peele) joins Paul and Jason to cover everything from Jamie Foxx’s untimely demise to the sentient robot plane’s emo music playlist. Plus, for the first time ever we hear Kid Second Opinion Reviews! (Ep. #144 Originally Released 11/21/2021)

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