Super Mario Brothers LIVE! w/ Jenny Slate (Classic)

7 Apr 2026 · 48 min · 23 chapters

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In short

How Did This Get Made Live discusses the 1993 film Super Mario Brothers, focusing on its bizarre premise (dinosaurs survive via a meteor-created alternate dimension), mismatched adaptation from the game, and recurring comedic/absurd set pieces (plumbers as hated outsiders, Koopa’s dictatorship, Goombas, the devolution machine, and the “Tupac Tower”/Twin Towers-like destruction scene).

Key claims

Bob Hoskins didn’t know it was video-game-based until filming; the movie largely abandons game mechanics (no gold coins, no classic platforming) and instead builds an experimental dystopian sci-fi/fantasy; the film’s adult themes (kidnapping women, sexualized chemistry) and heavy exposition/ADR editing issues hurt coherence; Dennis Hopper’s goo/fungus character arc is a standout.

Notable examples

Mojo Nixon as a Goomba; Koopa’s pizza calls; “turning the wrong valve” to reach Dino Land; the devolution machine shrinking heads; the credit-sequence tie-in to a Japanese video game story.

Guests

Jenny Slate (comedian/actor; known for sketch comedy and roles in film/TV) joins hosts Jason Manzoukas and June Diane Raphael.

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Chapters

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Initial Impressions of the Movie

2:45 to 5:54

Hosts share their thoughts on how the movie diverges from the game.

“Everything about the game that you love, but none of that.”

Bob Hoskins and the Movie's Concept

5:54 to 8:08

Discussion on Bob Hoskins' involvement and the movie's premise of alternate dimensions.

“But what if the dinosaurs weren't all destroyed?”

Mario Brothers as Plumbers

8:08 to 10:41

Exploring how the Mario Brothers are portrayed and their job dynamics in the film.

“It's like, Mario Brothers, we need you guys to fix this leak.”

Mario Brothers as Plumbers

10:45 to 11:45

Exploring how the Mario Brothers are portrayed and their job dynamics in the film.

“everything that you need to succeed online is in one spot.”

Mario Brothers as Plumbers

11:47 to 12:13

Exploring how the Mario Brothers are portrayed and their job dynamics in the film.

“The best in entertainment in one bundle.”

Casting Choices and Character Relationships

12:16 to 14:00

Analyzing casting decisions and the complex relationships between characters.

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Exploring Mario's Relationships

14:00 to 17:49

The hosts discuss the complex and ambiguous relationships between characters in the movie.

“What does Mario Mario think Luigi is to him?”

Dino Land's Strange Dynamics

17:50 to 22:42

The conversation shifts to the bizarre elements and themes presented in Dino Land, as well as character interactions.

“Well, and Princess Daisy, Samantha Mathis, who's wearing a safari outfit.”

Plumbers and the Alternate Reality

22:43 to 28:01

The discussion delves into the significance of plumbers in the alternate reality and the societal attitudes towards them.

“As he is basically playing Frank from Blue Velvet as the bad guy in this movie.”

Crazy Characters and Sparkling Cars

28:01 to 30:04

Discussion about unusual characters and elements in the Mario movie.

“Everyone remembers the crazy old lady who wants Koopa coins from the Super Mario game.”
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Mojo Nixon and Goombas Explained

30:04 to 31:39

Exploration of Mojo Nixon's transformation and the concept of Goombas.

“It is the closest thing to art that I've seen.”

Mario's Dance and Big Bertha

31:39 to 32:58

Analysis of Mario's interactions, particularly his dance with Big Bertha.

“I'm not a scientist, but I would say that everybody does love to dance.”

Mario's Dance and Big Bertha

33:30 to 34:01

Analysis of Mario's interactions, particularly his dance with Big Bertha.

Mario's Dance and Big Bertha

34:04 to 34:32

Analysis of Mario's interactions, particularly his dance with Big Bertha.

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Dennis Hopper and Sentient Goo

34:35 to 37:08

Discussion on Dennis Hopper's role and the absurdity of the sentient goo in the movie.

“Tell me that's not a Frank line from Blue Velvet.”

Character Arcs and Religious Themes

37:08 to 39:20

Exploration of character development and underlying themes in the movie.

“Well, only at the end when Bob Hoskins is able to shoot the devolver gun back at Dennis Hopper.”

Audience Interaction and Questions

39:20 to 41:42

Engagement with the audience, discussing questions raised about the film's plot.

“Literally, as like a stalactite of jizz erupts from the ceiling.”

Controversial Imagery and Disturbing Elements

41:42 to 42:01

Discussion of a controversial scene relating to 9-11 imagery in the movie.

“If you have a question, you raise your hand, I'll come back to you.”

Reaction to Disturbing Imagery

42:01 to 43:24

Discussion about the disturbing imagery in the Super Mario Brothers movie and its implications.

“Maybe we'll play it and then just stop it.”

Financial Success and Movie Stats

43:24 to 45:38

Exploring the financial aspects and the unexpected failure of the Super Mario Brothers movie.

“How financially successful was this movie?”

Second Opinion on Reviews

45:38 to 47:54

Reading and analyzing five-star reviews of the Super Mario Brothers movie from fans.

“obviously we had very strong opinions, but there are some people who thought differently.”

Memorable Characters and Jokes

47:54 to 51:45

Discussion about memorable characters, jokes, and the unique charm of the movie.

“Another fact that I thought was really interesting about this movie that deserves to be mentioned, again, like we said, John Leguizamo yes, he does have a book, his autobiography.”

Final Thoughts and Movie Recommendations

51:45 to 53:37

Concluding thoughts on whether the movie is worth watching and why.

“Watch, like, drop acid and watch this movie.”
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1:35Jason Mantzoukas:Can you make a movie out of a video game? In this case, no. We saw Super Mario Brothers, so you know what that means. Now it's time for How to Discardate. We're gonna have a good time, celebrate some failure. Not just be a hater, but you know you wonder. How to Discardate. Let's follow in the mediocrity of some bar art Perhaps we'll find the answer to the question How did this get made? Hello, people of Earth and people of Seattle! We are live here at Bumbershoot Super Mario Brothers. This is going to be great. Joining us, as always, my two co-hosts, Jason Manzoukas. Give him a warm welcome.

2:25Jason Mantzoukas:June Diane Raphael.

2:30Jason Mantzoukas:And we have a very special guest today. The enormously funny, incredibly talented Jenny Slate. Give it up for Jenny Slate. I have a seat right there. All right, guys. Super Mario Brothers. So good. So good. So good. Just like the game. Everything about the game that you love, but none of that. I do think that just from the beginning of this movie, it starts off like crazy bananas. They don't even... Oh, you think? Yeah. No, come on. It starts off pretty normal. They don't even give you a chance to kind of be like, oh, yeah, you like these characters. No, no, they go absolutely insane. And there's built in.

3:17I feel like built into this movie should be like, hey, you all play the game. This is based on that. They could have done something that tied the game and brought the game into the movie. No. Instead, they did something very different. Well, this movie is really about how the Mario Brothers became super.

3:35Jason Mantzoukas:Yes. Right. Literally, spoiler alert, that's kind of the last line of the movie. That's what happened. It's not kind of. It's the last line of the movie. It very much so is. Well, no, no. You forget the real last line of the movie is the cliffhanger ending that sets it up for the sequel that, thank God, no one will see. I think they should make that sequel right now. Oh, man. I guess that's my question, though, is what did we know about the Mario Brothers from the game? Because I know you only played the game once. I didn't have Nintendo. So I watched this as a film. Well, and this is, and Jenny, this is interesting because I did a little bit of research.

4:20Jason Mantzoukas:Bob Hoskins did not know that this movie was based on a video game until he was in the middle of shooting it. Of course not. Are you serious? Yes. It says that Bob Hoskins, while shooting the movie, his son asked him what he was working on. He mentioned the film's title. His son immediately recognized it and showed Hoskins the game on his Nintendo. So he read this and was like, yep, this is a movie I got to make. He was like, I want in. I want in. And his agent was like, hey man, you know what? This is based on a pretty popular... You know what? I don't need to hear anything else. I play a plumber that goes through an interdimensional vortex.

4:56I wind up on what appears to be the set of Pluto Nash, I believe. His name is Mario Mario. Yes.

5:03Jason Mantzoukas:Mario Mario. That's probably the biggest laugh of the movie. Yeah, the sets look like Judge Dredd meets Pluto Nash. But I do want to just show you the opening. Just... This is what... This sets the bar. So from everything here forward, Like, just, I can't, yeah, just watch it. Here we go. We'll pull it up. Because when you watch it, you'll be like, what? Here we go. A long, long time ago, the Earth was ruled by dinosaurs. They were big, so not a lot of people went around hassling them. Actually, no people went around hassling them because there weren't any people yet. Just the first tiny mammals.

5:42Basically, life was good. You know, it just don't get no better than this. Yeah!

5:56Then something happened. A giant meteorite struck the earth. Goodbye, dinosaurs. But what if the dinosaurs weren't all destroyed? What if the impact of that meteorite created a parallel dimension where the dinosaurs continue to thrive and evolve into intelligent, vicious, aggressive beings. Just like us. Nope. Hey, what if they found a way back? Oh, shit.

6:24Jason Mantzoukas:What? Oh, shit. What are you talking about? Oh, shit. What are you talking about? This is happening. If a meteor hit Earth and created an alternate dimension where dinosaurs exist, what? What if they find their way back? Super Mario Brothers. Just like the game. You see what we're setting up, right? Dinosaurs with Brooklyn accents and Super Mario Brothers. And they didn't even have Bob Hoskins do his Mario voice. That's just a random Brooklyn dinosaur. Yeah. which is good that the accents did start back 65 million years ago oh my god and I love that that is that's the beginning of the movie like that is what's supposed to get you excited oh my god they did it they did it all of my dreams have come true

7:25and by the way the choice to animate that whole section later on you do see dinosaur reptile type creatures.

7:33Jason Mantzoukas:When they go into Dinosaur Hatton. But they're like Jurassic Park. Exactly. Like Yoshi actually looks a lot like the raptors from Jurassic Park. And because I didn't know who Yoshi was when he came into the room, I was like, oh my God. But then he was really nice. Yeah, Yoshi's a nice raptor. He's really nice. Except when he started eating that woman's leg. He was not nice to her. Yeah, not nice to her at all. She deserved it. I have a real problem with the, I mean, listen, I don't want to poke too many holes in this, but like let's not let's not i'm pretty suspect of the physics that a meteor crashing to earth creates an alternate dimension jason it's a movie i don't think well jason to be fair to be fair you're not a scientist right yeah what is your degree in from college i am not a scientist yeah but i'm pretty sure uh that striking something very hard does not does not cause a rift in the dimension in but you're not positive yeah but again you don't know that to the multiverse again i'm gonna say you are not yeah you're not okay but to be fair i am not a scientist all right fine the first 15 minutes of this movie is kind of like a dramedy of these plumbers i mean we're not seeing too much super we're just seeing mario brothers doing their plumbing job and by the way they're not very good they're very unsuccessful they can't get work they can't Were you guys confused about what was going on here?

8:57Jason Mantzoukas:Like, they get a call. It's like, Mario Brothers, we need you guys to fix this leak. And then they have to race there to beat another competing plumber. Like, is that how plumbing works? You send out a call. They're like, who gets here first gets the job. That's how I do everything. I call four different versions of whatever I need. Whoever gets there first, they get the job. They wanted it the most. Also, a big weird turn. Mario Brothers, you would think they would be brothers, right? That would probably be the easiest thing. They're not. They're not brothers. It is Mario and his, like, foster kid?

9:38That's what I... Yeah. I felt like he was, like, left on the stoop. Similar to... But that, like, Samantha Mathis' character was also left on the stoop. That's my favorite part, actually. I mean, maybe I'm skipping. No, no, no, no. When they're out to dinner, like, really casually, and someone's like, I like your necklace. And it's like, if I had that necklace, I'd be like, oh, thanks. It's from my grandmother or whatever. But she's like, thanks. It's from when I was found. Oh, I was abandoned. Like, really? Actually, by the way, the way they get into that conversation is from Mary O'Maria's girlfriend, Daniela, who says, Ada, the clear blue sky, I own a tanning booth.

10:17You should come tanning. And then Princess Daisy says, oh, I can't because I can never take this necklace off. Right. It's like, oh, okay. And then they immediately like - Strangest way in. They love each other. Like, it's like instant horniness. And they're like, you also were found. That's the key.

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12:47Jason Mantzoukas:There is a lot of really weird Italian stereotypes going on. And Bob Hoskins is not an Italian man. Do you think they were like, okay, we have Hoskins. He's the perfect Mario. Great. Who are we going to get to play his brother? Holy shit. We've got Leguizamo. They can't be brothers. Screw it. They're not brothers. Leguizamo's an orphan too. Great. That's even better. And Mario has huge accent. John Leguizamo, no accent. None. No. I want to just read to you guys some people who were approached to play Mario. Danny DeVito did not respond to the script. It's an obvious choice. Turned it down. Tom Hanks then was attached to play Mario.

13:33Jason Mantzoukas:But the film executives believed that Tom Hanks was more than the studio could afford, so they dismissed him and hired Bob Hoskins, believing Hoskins would be a more profitable actor. Was this, just because I'm not, was this like right around who framed Roger Rabbit era or no? It's 1993. I don't know. Maybe. I just want to know, like Tom Hanks being like, Philadelphia Super Mario Brothers. Philadelphia Super Mario Brothers. Well, here's my question though. What does Mario Mario think Luigi is to him? What do they think the relationship is? Do they think they're brothers? No, he said that he's, John Leguizamo goes, he's like a mother.

14:16Jason Mantzoukas:a brother, a father, and an uncle to me. But that's what I'm saying. What did they land on? What are, what would they, what are they? To me, those all sound like excuses covering up a gay relationship. It is weird how John Leguizamo can't ask her on a date at all and then Bob Hoskins just stands to the side and he's like, come over for dinner, like whatever, and it's like, oh, that's the worst way to ask someone on a date. I feel like Bob Hoskins, his girlfriend, what's her name? Daniela. I feel like he's fucking her constantly. Yeah, yeah. They just had the electric chemistry of people who are just filthy.

14:50I actually thought his chemistry with Big Bertha was a lot better than his chemistry with Daniela.

14:56Jason Mantzoukas:Well, I got to say that this whole movie has odd adult themes. I mean, it really, it feels like, I don't know, like, maybe I'm giving it too much credit, but Blade Runner meets, like, Nintendo or something like that. Because there are some moments that you're like, oh. Like, he keeps a bunch of women in, like, a little K. Like all those women are kidnapped and they're just hanging out in a room. And they're not in a bad mood at all. No, they're kind of psyched. Like, I guess I'm not the princess. There's the one girl. Too bad I got kidnapped from Brooklyn. All of these women have been kidnapped because they're looking for Samantha Mathis.

15:28The dummies who are looking for the escaped princess are looking. So they just keep kidnapping New York's women. But that's my question is what were they going on? Who knows? Just women? No, no. Remember, he says she's got two arms, two legs, and one head. Okay, so that's it. So that's the only criteria.

15:42Jason Mantzoukas:these guys were set up the two henchmen were very dumb and then my favorite of the kidnapped women in the prison was the one who always had a cigarette always had a cigarette for days just was always like we gotta run but my favorite part there was a moment when they're all in that prison and she goes I think I wrote it down I'm just looking to see if it's here basically they go she's the princess. They find the princess and then the other one goes now it's getting interesting. Oh, you mean the fact that you were kidnapped, brought into an alternate dimension run by dinosaurs and kept as slaves?

16:27Jason Mantzoukas:That wasn't interesting. The development of the princess involved now. Now things are shaping up. That's the thing that this movie I struggle with so much about this movie because I'm like again, I didn't play the game. I don't know much about it. But if you were like, oh, this movie. Then you're not a scientist. I'm also not a scientist. But if I was pitching, I'm like, hey, I want to make a movie out of Super Mario Brothers. Oh, great. It's a super popular game. Jumping, turtles, turtle shells, mushrooms. Great. It takes place in a bleak dystopian multiverse where dinosaurs run the world. I'm in.

17:03And they're trying to combine two worlds into one and reduce everybody to their reptile past. Super Mario Brothers.

17:13Jason Mantzoukas:And look, I've read a lot of stuff online and people get really defensively, like, come on, you can't base it on the game. I'm not saying make a movie where they run across screen bumping things with their head. Just make them brothers. Just give us something. Let's not throw out everything. They just like, we got the title now, let's start from scratch. So basically this like Armand Asante lookalike mafia boss is, and this is in the real New York, is threatening to shut down a dinosaur dig site. Right under the Brooklyn Bridge. Right under the Brooklyn Bridge. They get sucked into this dino land.

17:52Well, and Princess Daisy, Samantha Mathis, who's wearing a safari outfit.

17:57Jason Mantzoukas:Yeah. She's dressed for an archaeological dig in the desert, but she is under the Brooklyn Bridge. That's correct. And they get sucked into this dino land where things are pretty different. Things are very, very different. Did you realize the musician they bumped into was Mojo Nixon? Yeah, from Jello Biafra. Again, great for a kid's movie. Actually, I should play the clip of Mojo Nixon because this is actually, this is kind of a moment in Dino Land here. Take a look. It could only be better if they ran into Gigi Allen. I'm going to cut myself and then shit on you. I'm just going to shut up. Here we go.

18:39Jason Mantzoukas:Hey, hey, guys. Cheer up. Things will get worse. Ain't got no water. It ain't wet. Food's bad. So dare. Got no resources. And a great big stupa. All because of the evil King Cooper.

19:02You know the law of Toad. Hey, wait a minute. You can't arrest a guy that's just singing a song. For anti-Cooper songs, we can. Uh-huh. Plumbers! No, he is. I'm just apprenticing. Get in the car. But I didn't do nothing. Get in the car. Are you telling us that you can arrest a guy for being a plumber? Get out of here. Get in there, plumber. No. Hey, what is this? All right, all right, what do we do? I'm getting arrested for being a plumber. Put his number down.

19:27Jason Mantzoukas:That is a great scene where they... That is a real scene from this movie. You might think that that's just some random assemblage of insanity, but it's a real scene. from this movie. This movie does a great thing, which not many movies do, which is they do exposition in every scene. Where are we? What's happening? Why is it happening? Why, if you're confused, here's an ADR line that we've given. A few scenes later, they're running out of the police station. We see them run out of the police station. Then the next shot, it's in this sort of Pluto Nash type, like just generic. I love that Pluto Nash has become just a reference point for us.

20:06Because the color scheme is exactly the same. Guys, if you haven't seen Pluto Nash, go right now. We'll wait. Come back in an hour and 40 minutes. It'll all make sense. As they're running into frame, they just scream out, we're still in the police station. Okay.

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20:22Jason Mantzoukas:Clearly there were problems when they were editing this movie. They're like, we need to. Because a lot of the movie, they recorded the dialogue later and they just threw it in because they're never on camera when they're saying this stuff. You can hear it. They're like in the cab once or like the bad guys are in a car and you just see the car and someone just goes, out of my way but it's like nowhere no yeah by the way i do love the way the police are dressed in in studs yeah they're uh studs on the back of a leather jacket that say police it looks like something out of like the village people um now i was curious i was concerned though about this so this is an alternate reality where dinosaurs have evolved into humans or are they all humans wearing, or are they all dinosaurs wearing human costumes?

21:07Jason Mantzoukas:Because Dennis Hopper, what is he putting his hands in that? What is that? I couldn't figure that part out either. But they are, I think what they're contending is that as we have evolved from apes, they have evolved from lizards. From dinosaurs. But they look exactly like humans. And act exactly like humans. Because I would argue that humans look, I mean, without the hair, similar to apes. But humans do not look similar to dinosaurs. I would say that evolutionary chain, they might be way far advanced. But you're not accounting for the meteor creating an environment. Got it. In which dinosaurs still exist.

21:48They have evolved into their human counterparts that also sing the same songs we sing. Have the same police uniform. Similar. They have all the same technology that we have. And pizza. And pizza.

22:02Jason Mantzoukas:Oh, when they order pizza, though, they order it with dino toppings. But no mammal. No mammal. But are they stealing the humans from Brooklyn to put on their pizza? I don't know. I wanted to know about that. Because didn't he say, I want like a Triceratops pizza? Yeah, he asked for it. What would lead me to believe that a piece of a dinosaur is being put on his pizza? Yeah, and she, the lady who always has her like titties up. Yeah. She drank. Daniela? No, not Daniela. Janischoff. Janischoff. Dennis Hopper's girlfriend. Dennis Hopper's girlfriend. and she drank a drink with snakes in it. Yes, and the snakes go, oh God!

22:35Jason Mantzoukas:Like they made a little noise. We should just mention, by the way, Dennis Hopper is the ruler of the Dinoland. Go ahead. As he is basically playing Frank from Blue Velvet as the bad guy in this movie. He might as well have the little thing and be like... It's that intense. Now, I know in this scene, they're specifically looking for these plumbers because Koopa has asked for them and put the word out that these plumbers are here. But there are so many other points in the movie where people make comments like, ah, plumbers. Yeah, they don't like those. Plumbers are hated in this universe. Is that because...

23:14Jason Mantzoukas:There's no water. Really? That's what Jello Biafra said. He goes, we ain't got no water. And you think they blame plumbers for that? I think they go, it reminds them of what they don't have. it reminds them to go oh i wish we had a rich history of plumbers but we don't have water so i hate these plumbers this is a classic how did this get made moment because i don't think that's it at all i don't think i thought either i think what has happened in the past within these 65 million years is that plumbers or the last 20 years i guess plumbers have been the closest to getting into this other dimension, so have caused trouble to them.

23:55Jason Mantzoukas:How? What? Just by turning the wrong valve. They ran through a wall, though. They get to the alternate dimension. Turning the wrong valve. I literally... Turning the wrong valve. I think that because the Mario brothers come in... Who are not technically brothers. Huh? The Mario not brothers. The Mario... The Mario acquaintances. The Mario pals. their relationship is very Batman and Robin in a world in which Bob Hoskins is Batman I gotta give it up for Bob Hoskins because he really does sell the shit out of Mario I think he's a great actor in this movie in an interview with the Guardian magazine Hoskins answered Super Mario Brothers to these three questions what is the worst job you've ever done what's your biggest disappointment and if you could edit your past, what would you change?

24:52By the way, all three basically the same question.

24:56Jason Mantzoukas:His whole past? His whole past. Just this movie. He broke his finger on this movie, so if you watch the movie, he's wearing a pink hand cast over his hand. So for the majority of the movie, he is wearing a cast. I was just going to say, I think that because they're plumbers and they are the enemy of Dennis Hopper, I think that's why people hate plumbers. I don't think the culture as a whole hates plumbers. They don't even know. They've only been in this other universe for hours. How does everybody know? They put the plumber alert out. They wanted plumbers. But that's not how they're delivering those lines.

25:33But what about... It's not. Are we analyzing actor choices? Those lines are being delivered like plumbers again, not like these guys.

25:42Jason Mantzoukas:My biggest question is, did this take place after Mario saved that girl from the Donkey Kong? I want to know that too. Is this a Lord of the Rings scenario? Yes. Where Bilbo has already had his adventure and now he's just living life in the Shire? Because he did not, yes. Because I felt like Mario had been through some stuff and he wasn't letting on 100%. At some point he should have been like, you know what, I've actually seen some pretty crazy stuff already. I battled an enormous ape for a woman's virtue. I had to run up ladders, jump over barrels. Things were tough. Now, in the game, because I've never really played it, did they have any superpowers or anything like that?

26:24No.

26:24Jason Mantzoukas:They would grow big. Yep. Because one of the big themes of the movie is using your tools. Oh, no, no. They do more plumbing. They don't do any plumbing in the games. They don't? Right? There's no plumbing in Mario. They go in pipes, but they never, like, are knocking things with wrenches. You don't have to be like A-A-B-B, wrench, wrench, wrench, wrench, wrench. Right? Righty-tighty, lefty-loosey. No, they don't. They just jump over stuff. You know what? I was really disappointed. There is not a goddamn gold coin in this movie at all. That's what I thought, yeah. There is not a... I played that game and I was like, all I wanted was those fucking coins, not a fucking coin in this movie.

27:09Jason Mantzoukas:Although there is talk about getting their coins, there is talk about getting their coins. Really? Well, I'll play the clip. I'll play this clip of the coin getting scene. I'm about to be shamed right here. All right, here we go. Coin getting scene. Are you boys new here in town? Lady, we're looking for somebody, and we're from Brooklyn. Yeah. You know, boys, it's very dangerous here in this neighborhood. You shouldn't wander around without a weapon. Yeah. You got one? No. All right. Get him up, suckers! Cupacoins! I need cupacoins, you labels! Well, this ought to be... Don't touch that! Fine.

27:52That's not even ours! Let me go! What are you doing?

27:58Jason Mantzoukas:She wanted those cupacoins. And now a woman throws her on her. He's okay.

28:14Jason Mantzoukas:Everyone remembers the crazy old lady who wants Koopa coins from the Super Mario game. Right? Who's an old lady who can be thrown off of a bridge, land in a car, get up and start shooting the driver. That woman wants her coins. Three quarters of that scene, it is a stocky man playing that character. Like, visibly a man. Also, in that scene, why does every car have sparklers on it? Every car that's driven, it looks like a bumper car. Oh, yeah, why? Okay, because it is, they're running an electricity grid, because this is how the buses in Boston used to run, where they have these big things that go up to electricity wires that run through the city, and they create sparks that that's how they get driven.

29:01Jason Mantzoukas:Okay, so it works on the same thing as a bumper car at a state fair. Yes. And that's why they all have the, all right, well, there we go. All right, you've proven, you've answered my question. That's the part that I was like, oh, I get it. That makes sense. I can lock into this. Oh, yeah, now I'm in. And now you got me. I'm just looking for something that takes something universal and applies it to my individual experience. That was it. There are so, I mean, man alive. Oh, my God. There's so many things I want to talk about. Please. When Mojo Nixon gets turned into a toad-headed man. Yes. And they give him his harmonica back.

29:43Yes. Yeah. So Mojo Nixon, so, oh God. So Dennis Hopper has a machine that can either...

29:56Go ahead now. Guys, this movie is fucking garbage.

30:00Jason Mantzoukas:I would argue it's not even garbage. It's art. It is the closest thing to art that I've seen. It's abstract. It's experimental art. It is. Yeah, this is like a student film with$100 million. So Dennis Hopper has a machine that can either evolve you further or devolve you, right? Right. So he makes dumb people very smart, and he makes regular people so dumb that they have tiny toad and or lizard heads. But big bodies. But big bodies. But giant bodies. It only shrinks their brain. not only does it shrink their brain, but it shrinks the skull and everything. So their heads are, yeah. So he's in the process of doing this.

30:40He shrinks Mojo Nixon's head, so he's one of the Goombas. Yes. Right, is what they're called. Are Goombas part of the game?

30:47Jason Mantzoukas:Yes, Goombas are part of the game. What part of the game are they? The mushrooms. Oh. I do like, though, that they go like, oh, we got to tell everybody these Goombas are coming to Brooklyn. Which, you know, hey, look, there's already Goombas in Brooklyn, man. We already know that. Who saw Zeprinos? But the Mojo Nixon Goomba is a good guy, right? He's like, he still has a conscience, so he kind of helps them. And they must have been like, how are we going to know the good Goomba from the rest of them? What about that harmonica? Put the harmonica back on him. And then he plays the harmonica, and it tricks all the Goombas into dancing, which is their weakness.

31:24They love it. They love it. They love it so much when they're in the elevator. It's so sweet, their big bodies and their little heads.

31:33Jason Mantzoukas:And when questioned, don't they just simply say, everyone loves to dance? Like, as if you were to play music for anyone, that would be the end-all, be-all. Right. I'm not a scientist, but I would say that everybody does love to dance. Well, yeah, you don't have to be a scientist for that. You just have to be known human nature. That's right. But why does everyone love to dance in the same beat to the same... Like this. It's kind of like a slow rock. Yeah. Which allows the Mario Brothers to walk behind them as they make a turn. But the Mario Brothers are here. the entire time. They just walk right behind them.

32:06Jason Mantzoukas:There is a lot of dancing in this movie. Do you remember Mario's sexy dance with the busty woman? Big Bertha. He loves her too. Oh, he loves her too. There was a lot of chemistry and I think Bob Hoskins was like on fire during the film. He's a sexy dude. He was like... Wait, with Big Bertha? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, remember that? He was dancing with her super sexy. So much so that she's like, you know what? You keep that artifact meteorite. But did you think that he... I want your artifact meteorite. That's right. In your plumber pants. You can take the rock and give me the rock. Okay. I actually thought that he, well, first of all, I was confused because it didn't seem like he was putting this on to get away from her as a part of a bigger plan.

32:48It seemed like he genuinely liked her. Yeah, well, had he forgotten about Daniela? He forgot. Well, first he was just trying to get it done. He was like, nobody can resist the charm of the Mario. And then he goes up to her and I thought it was going to be really smooth. and he goes, hey, I'm your main man. He rhymes, right? She just punched him right in the face. Enjoy the sunshine with sales on grill-ready favorites from Whole Foods Market. Take cookouts to sizzling new heights with their marinated salmon and made-in-house marinated beef and chicken. Entertain with low-priced 365 brand chips and dips like hummus and guacamole.

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34:35Classic Dennis Hopper line. Do you know what I love about mud? Yeah. It's clean and dirty at the same time. Tell me that's not a Frank line from Blue Velvet.

34:46Jason Mantzoukas:I mean, come on. Oh, man. We do have, I mean, Dennis Hopper does some also solid acting in this movie too. Yeah. Doesn't cheat it. Everybody's committed. Brings it 100 % even when he is doing a scene with a pile of goo. Like boogers. Like boogers. Yeah. I will play you the scene of him doing a scene. If you're wondering whether there is sentient goo in this movie, there is. And the sentient goo will give the Mario Brothers gifts. If you just trust them out. You got to trust it. You have to. The goo looks a little bit like pasta. All right, so here's the goo. my mind you have let yourself go you see i'm not such a bad guy you always wanted to be everywhere well now you are and i want to tell you something you can go ahead and choke this little mushroom kingdom all you want because i'm out of here i'm out into the bigger world i got a couple of plumbers bringing me the rest of the meteorite soon to be dead plumbers and by the way you really ought to try to pull yourself back together again slime bucket all right so if you can if you can't see this it is a tight close-up on dennis hopper as just a literally, like just an oozing fountain of goo is just shooting out.

36:27Jason Mantzoukas:He's doing a scene with goo. I love that he left the chair there for the goo though. Yeah. Because the goo, just for those of you who can't put it together, because it's pretty obvious, the goo is the former king of this universe, or this dimension rather, who Dennis Hopper put through the devolution machine and reduced him to a fungus. He is a fungus. And everybody is like, the fungus. You have to be cleaned of the fungus. And meanwhile, the fungus is... Mushrooms are a thing in the game, right? And he keeps giving... The goo keeps trying to give them mushrooms, and they don't really do dick with them.

37:08Jason Mantzoukas:Well, only at the end when Bob Hoskins is able to shoot the devolver gun back at Dennis Hopper. Oh, the mushroom grows. Yeah, the mushroom grows. Because he trusts the mushroom. Finally. I mean, that's the whole lesson. Luigi's telling him from the very beginning, trust my skills, trust my this, trust my that. Luigi gives him no reason to trust him because every time Luigi does something, it's dumb. But at the end of the movie, he goes, well, let me just try trusting him one time. I'm starting to understand what was happening with the character arcs. So Luigi's arc, well, no, Luigi's teaching Mario to really just trust in the universe, trust that things are going to happen for a reason, just trust and believe.

37:44And Mario is trying to teach Luigi over and over to use the tools that he has. with him. So you're saying

37:51Jason Mantzoukas:Luigi... June just broke it down, broke it open. Take a bow. Take a bow. That is June's final episode of How Did This Get Made. She figured it out. She figured it out better than the nine script writers. That is a pretty heavy like one is to put your faith in a higher power and one is to believe in yourself. Yeah. It's a pretty real religious messages going on in this movie. And then I guess the answer is do a little bit of both. I will say watch this movie because that scene with Dennis Hopper in the pile of goo is awesome. What's more awesome is the pile of goo is Samantha Mathis' father and when she is reunited with the goo, it's amazing.

38:42I wish you. It's wonderful. It is bonkers. She has like a She has like a, oh my God, you're my father. As if to say she was reunited with a real man for the first time, an orphan finding her father, except that it is dripping jizz bucket. Well, not only that.

39:01Jason Mantzoukas:And the jizz bucket does get turned into Lance Hendrickson at the end of the movie. But also, before that, when he's still goo, right after Daisy meets him, John Leguizamo, Luigi also meets him and is introduced to him. it's as though he's meeting her dad for the first time. It's a pile of goo. She's like, hold on. She goes, hang on, hang on. There's somebody I want you to meet. This is my father.

39:27Literally, as like a stalactite of jizz erupts from the ceiling. Stalag might, which is the one that hangs down?

39:34Jason Mantzoukas:Either way in this movie, it doesn't make a difference because in the dinosaur world, it's the opposite. Nice, nice. Nice. I wanted to try something different because we're doing a live show and we never have done this before. But if you've seen the movie and you have a question about something that stuck out to you, I will take a question from you guys. Do anyone have a question? Or do we nail it? Do we nail it all? I'm pretty sure we're fucking killing it tonight. Yeah. Well, think about it. If you have a question, you raise your hand. Oh, yeah, we got one right here. Okay, great. Let me go get the mic over to you.

40:07Jason Mantzoukas:All right, here it is. So we just watched this last night. Okay. You're welcome. Yes, yes, yeah. That was a great hour and 45 minutes. But we were wondering, why is there election posters? Yeah, why is there election posters in a dictatorship? That is a very good question. It is a monarchy. It is a monarchy because he is King Koopa. Okay. And it was a monarchy before that, by the way. It wasn't a democracy because the goo is also a king. Maybe just to keep morale up as if they do have a choice. Like just a chance to be like, hey, you know, you're not really stuck. Nobody else is running. But the first thing that they do when the Mario Brothers win is to paint over those propaganda signs.

40:52Immediately.

40:53Jason Mantzoukas:Immediately. They're like, all right, it happened. And they do it like. But also, he's like really on them. Like Koopa is like on everyone. But then when he calls the pizza place, they're like, oh, hey, Koopa. Yeah. You know? He's like, it's Koopa. He makes a lot of pizza phone calls. His pizza is a runner through the whole movie. There's big battle scenes where he's on his walkie-talkie, and he's like, I want all the Goombas ready to invade, and where's my pizza? And then two scenes later, he's talking on the thing again, and the guy's like, oh, your pizza's here. You know what? I just had a question about this.

41:27Jason Mantzoukas:Is the land that he inhabits, is it as big as Earth, or is it only as big as Brooklyn? Well, remember, he has that globe, So what it is, is it's just a few streets with the skyscrapers. It's a tiny little city. And then the rest of their planet is the desert. The desert. Oh, right. And you can't drive your car there. Forgot about the whole desert sequence. Any other questions from the crowd? If you have a question, you raise your hand, I'll come back to you. Well, Jason, should we play the... Jason and I talk about this one image in the movie, which is super dark. This shit is mental. Maybe we'll play it and then just stop it.

42:04Jason Mantzoukas:We can talk about it, but I want to reveal what it is. You just tell us what part of this scene you think is really pretty fucking crazy. All right, here we go. We're going to put it on the screen to dim the house lights for a second. Here we go.

42:18Look! It's Tupac Tower! Those guys will do anything but listen to me.

42:24Jason Mantzoukas:All right, so what everyone is reacting to... What everyone is reacting to is Super Mario Brothers kind of called 9-11, basically. It showed the destruction of the Twin Towers. There it is. Too soon, you guys? It was one of the most disturbing images. I was like, oh, God. I literally, I was watching this and I was like, whoa. and especially because they do fall down like that it's very upsetting and that led us to have a conversation which was do you think osama bin laden saw this movie saw this movie in like a cave in pakistan and was like you know we have to do this exact thing we have to we have to king koopa it we don't have this gun that will devolve things so we're going to have to fly planes into it That's the only thing we can do.

43:23Jason Mantzoukas:Osama bin Koopa. Too much bumper shoot.

43:28Jason Mantzoukas:Okay. Another question right here. Another question. How financially successful was this movie? Because every time I go to Target, it's still featured on the shelves. They're still trying to get rid of it. I will tell you, I actually have the stats on the expensiveness of the movie. I don't know how much it costs. I feel like it must have cost too much. Bob Hoskins later has admitted that he got drunk throughout the whole filming of this movie. And John Leguizamo wrote about it in his book. Let me see here. I'm just going to get the... John Leguizamo has a book? I did a lot of research for this one.

44:07I have a question while you're figuring that out, Paul. There's a point where they're not in the costumes for most of the movie that we know them from, from the video game. And then all of a sudden in one scene, they're in like a bright red and green yellow and yellow like futuristic yeah like costumes like they wear in the club first they're wearing those when he when he fights big bertha they first change into a an all red woman's suit on lake ozama and an all yellow suit yeah no i'm not talking about those i'm talking about the plumber suits with the overalls and the ones that make them look like

44:43Jason Mantzoukas:they're in Boys in the Hood. Yes. Where did those come from? Didn't they grab them out of a locker in order to sneak into somewhere else that I can't remember? Oh, okay. So we're not to understand, though, that that's sort of the origin of these suits. So when we've watched the video games, that's where the suits came from. When we watch the video games, like we all do. I just watched Paul play them. I only watched the cut scenes of Mario. The movie was made for$48 million. What? And it only made$21 million. That is still way more than I would have thought it would have made. And a lot of people blame the failure of this film on Jurassic Park, which was released the following week.

45:27Please. That's like I heard Pete Berg say, Battleship didn't work because Avengers came out. Nope.

45:38Jason Mantzoukas:Not the case. Not the case. Not true.

45:44Jason Mantzoukas:obviously we had very strong opinions, but there are some people who thought differently. So now it's time for a second opinion. U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.! The movie was a piece of shit Yet this person recommends it Tell me what is the message Maybe that art is subjective I need a second opinion

46:19Jason Mantzoukas:These are reviews called from Amazon. These are all five-star reviews of Super Mario Bros. Now, I will say, this is the hardest second opinion I ever had to do because the fans of this movie are bananas. And they have no sense of humor. And they're kind of volatile. so I tried to take the ones that were a little lighter. Here's one of them from F. Smith Jr. I bought this for a friend. She really liked it. I like her. Everything's just fine. Yeah! That's like a haiku. That's an amazing haiku. This one's a little bit longer, but I still like it. I really liked the movie and spent a lot of time yelling, oh no, then oh never mind, it's funny.

47:12Jason Mantzoukas:I thought I was going to die of laughter. There's a lot of action too. So if you're an action fan, this is for you. My friend and I laugh at this movie a lot. We normally do stuff like this. Hey, remember the part where Mario and Luigi are at the police station and the guy's like, your name, Mario, last name, Mario. Oh yeah, and then he asks Luigi, your name? He goes, Luigi, Luigi, Luigi? No, Luigi Mario. and then, okay, how many Marios are we talking about here? Three Mario Mario and Luigi Mario? But our favorite is Goombas. Strong, lethal and stupid. So he just talked to you, took you through kind of a conversation that he has with his friend.

47:55Jason Mantzoukas:Another fact that I thought was really interesting about this movie that deserves to be mentioned, again, like we said, John Leguizamo yes, he does have a book, his autobiography. He said the director, Rocky Morton once poured hot coffee on an extra's head because he didn't like the extra's costume. Now, just to put this in perspective, the extra has no control over what he's wearing. Yeah, this is how much money did it cost to make this movie? 40 something million dollars. The extras are not bringing their costumes. They are being handed to them. The director poured hot coffee on an extra's head because he did not like his costume.

48:33Jason Mantzoukas:You know what? I'm cool with that. I mean, right? Fucking extras. We're the right thing, you dummies. Any other questions? Any other thoughts from the audience? Yes. Oh, in the back. All right. Here we go. What does a good donkey say? Oh, this is a joke. All right. What does a good donkey say? What? Hee-haw. All right. It was worth it. Okay. Wait. No, no, no. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Whoa, whoa, whoa. What does the donkey say? Jason, you're not a scientist. You're not. You're not. All right. Do you have any donkey jokes? I do not. I appreciate the way that that donkey joke was delivered.

49:19Jason Mantzoukas:What is your question? I am not a jackass. Okay. This was 20 years ago. Where were you guys when this movie came out? Because when this came out, this was before Jurassic Park, and we all thought... A week. Jurassic Park. that's awesome, that looks great. We all thought Super Mario's, that looked awesome, that looked great. Where were you guys when this came out? Guys, locations. What year is it? What year did this come out? 93. That specific? 93? I was in high school. I was a sophomore in college, and I did not have any clue. If there had been a Legend of Zelda movie, I probably would have gone to see it.

49:55I couldn't have given a shit about Super Mario Brothers, though. I was stalking Bob Hoskins. Oh, shit. Everywhere he went. are leaving. Did we offend you guys? Goodbye. I bet they're fucking scientists. I bet they're fucking scientists.

50:11Jason Mantzoukas:Yeah, I don't even remember I really don't remember this movie even coming out. I feel like I do. I was 11. I was a child, but I wasn't allowed to have a Nintendo or play the games. Why not? Because my parents are weirdos and I grew up in a haunted house in the woods in Massachusetts. You had your own ghost to play with. Yeah, we didn't have any extras besides the spirits. You're not going to get a Nintendo. Go play with the ghosts. Yeah, exactly. I remember being sad that I couldn't see it, but also too scared to see it. Scared? Like it seemed like it was for boys. Well, yeah. All right. I'll stand by that.

50:51Scared because it was for boys? Also, when I was watching this, I was scared of those little head big bodies. Yeah, they are. They are scary. One thing I will say about that guy who turned into one of the Goombas. What's his name again? Mojo Nixon? Yes. He seemed a lot happier as a Goomba. Yeah, he smiled a lot. He did. He was not busking on the street anymore for money. He definitely has the best arc in the movie. He's the most satisfying character arc in the movie. You know what I love about him is he brings Princess Daisy some meat and she's like, oh no, I don't like that or whatever. Do you have any steamed vegetables?

51:27And he's like, you know, And he does, and for some reason, he knows where to get them. By the way, terrific Goomba impression. There's a remake you need to get in for one of those.

51:39Jason Mantzoukas:Final thoughts on this. Is it worth watching? A hundred percent. I think so. Again, it is free on YouTube. Take it in small doses. Don't take it in small doses. Watch, like, drop acid and watch this movie. So that's it for How Does This Get Made Live in Bumbershoot Super Mario Bros. with the movie. You can follow me on Twitter at Paul Scheer. You can follow Jenny Slate on Twitter at Jenny Slate. And June is at MissJuneDiane. One thing I want to draw your attention to, if you did not watch the full movie, you have to stay through the credit sequence because the end of the credit sequence, there's a little scene where Japanese men come into Mario and Luigi's house and decide that they want to buy their story for a video game.

52:29Jason Mantzoukas:You see, so it does tie in. You see, the Japanese video game guys didn't get their life right. It wasn't that the game was poorly translated. It was the Japanese guys didn't understand their story the right way. So it all makes sense. Thanks for listening. We'll see you next week. For adults with Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms, every choice matters. Tremphaya offers self-injection or intravenous infusion from the start. Tremphaya is administered as injections under the skin or infusions through a vein every four weeks, followed by injections under the skin every four or eight weeks.

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Can you make a movie out of a video game? In this case, no! Jenny Slate joins us to discuss Super Mario Bros. the movie on this week’s How Did This Get Made? LIVE at Bumbershoot! We cover everything from the alternate dinosaur infested dimension, the absence of gold coins, Mojo Nixon’s odd cameo as a Goomba, and the fact that Mario & Luigi are not brothers in the movie. Plus, we hear what the gang was doing when the movie came out in theaters during our Q&A. (Ep. #47 Originally Released 10/16/2012)

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