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22:38Yeah. country club strip club or bar or whatever that place was like he's only blowing up there have to be so many casualties no there are though because he has a special type of technology he blows up half of a building falls off the top of an entire building but that's planned that was that particular explosive that was the one section one apartment explosive

23:08Jason Mantzoukas:When it comes to people, it normally just shoots them out like they're in an ejector seat. Like, when he kills the guy in the parking lot, the seat. That was perfect. It was absolutely perfect. That man strapped to his seat on fire going to the sky. He flies up like he is ejected from an airplane from Top Gun. And yet, is the bomb in the car? No. Is the bomb under the seat? No. The bomb is in the parking meter reader that you bit when you leave the garage. So that oddly... Is that the bomb? I thought that was the... The keypad was. The keypad was the bomb, but there was nothing in front of the car.

23:51And then it says, bye-bye. How long did it take him to be like, oh, good. It does say bye-bye. Thank God I was able to make that work. Bye-bye. This guy is so long to escape. Ten seconds and two bye-byes. Okay, so just riddle me this. He gets to Miami and decides to set up what type of business exactly?

24:18Jason Mantzoukas:Well, this is my big question because he is constantly telling us he's not in the bomb-making revenge business, but yet he's on a private internet message board called Weekend Warrior, which seems like black market shit. Oh, see, I thought that was his website. It feels like this is an A-team situation, like, or an equalizer. Like, if you're in trouble, I'll help you out secretly, kind of underground, like, hero guy. But why was he rejecting her? I don't know. I think he was wary to his setup. But was he rejecting her? He was like, I like your voice. And that's, and by the way, they're essentially having phone sex for the first hour of the movie.

25:01Longer. Longer. He is sensually working out, listening to recordings of their phone conversations. That was wild. Like, this shit is absolutely nuts. He thinks this is what we want.

25:23Jason Mantzoukas:You see more of him shirtless than you see of Sharon Stone. Like, throughout this entire movie. but like he's doing Tai Chi, but he also has this big cumbersome earpiece in. It's so big. It's so big. It looks like he has like a microphone, like the front of a microphone on the side of his ear. He's like, and he's like just being casual, just listening. He's also tailing Sharon Stone. He's like, you know, spying on her, watching her while she is. Sharon Stone, this in a noir sense, she's the femme fatale. She's inserted herself into the Eric Roberts drug lord world with his father Rod Steiger who appears to be doing a Desi Arnett Jr.

26:03impression. Bastardo. Which is some next level insanity.

26:10Jason Mantzoukas:I heard that Rod Steiger was like, I don't need anybody. I'm just going to watch Scarface over and over again. I thought they were just like spicy whites. I didn't realize that they were going for Cubans. Spicy whites. This is Rod Steiger's accent on full display. Now, wait a minute, wait a minute. Give me a second here. I have to make a decision. Little time to think here, huh?

26:41Okay. You take over, okay? Papa. I said Trent will handle it, okay? I don't hear you saying okay. What would you say? Okay, that's nice. Thank you. Lucy, Lucy, we are in trouble here.

26:59Jason Mantzoukas:It's nuts what he's up to. It's also like drops into just Rod Steiger at points. Like that was a mix and match. That was not a full, like he goes in and out of that accent, but they are supposed to be these drug lords that killed Sharon Stone's parents in front of her. She was hiding in the closet. Eric Roberts, who seems to be the same age as him. He is. Yeah, he's amazing. He is. It's 20 years later. She is a six-year-old in the closet and is now Sharon Stone. Eric Roberts, Eric Roberts 20 years ago. Eric Roberts now. This is, that should be examined. I did like that the flashback was like a noir Lifetime movie.

27:45Yeah, it was truly wild. And Eric Roberts was like pretty rude. He was like, hurry up. And I'm like, if I'm being murdered, Can you not rush it? Take your time. Be kind. And why were they being murdered? We don't know. We don't know. Because they didn't have, they were being asked for information they didn't have. And I don't know that we ever found, it was not important. Ever clear, yeah. He just, he loves murder and dancing.

28:11Jason Mantzoukas:What I loved about Stallone doing his research on Sharon Stone as a child, he pulls up like an old newspaper and it has a picture of the child. It's like, Maya Sinclair's parents killed. Kid's still alive. And it's like, no one would write an article like showing a picture of an alive child being like, she's alive, parents are dead. Like, you would think that they would go back, A, if they were executed, they might go back and kill her too, right? I mean, but it's also like, it would feel like a weird thing to put her in the front page of the paper. Like, I'm orphan.

28:46Jason Mantzoukas:Mae Monroe I'm sorry Mae Monroe that was her name so just to go back to Stallone for a second and his work in Miami so he is just on call in case a bomb maker I think he comes there is needed because she's asked him to because he says at one point I don't work in Miami but he's there oh yeah so he's renting that fairy house I think yeah I think he's temporarily set up shop at the gear factory. Temporarily, Jason. It's a three-story facility on the water that he has set a computer program up. It's so weird. He walks in the house to hit a button to say no one's in the house. Well, guess what? If they were behind the door that you walked in on, you're dead.

29:35He gets made immediately. He's so bad at being subtle. Eric Roberts clocks him immediately. Like, oh, that guy right there. That interaction made me so happy. You like the bitch? You like me? I don't like you.

29:55He's like, gay, no. He's like, no, no, no. Don't get the wrong idea. But do look at this body. Do look at me oiled up and cum guttered out.

30:08Jason Mantzoukas:Would you be surprised to learn that Stallone decided to add that scene in during production? Because he's like, oh, I really want to have a scene with Eric Roberts because I don't have a scene with him. So he picked a scene where he says one sentence? Where he holds a knife and basically says, you're looking at me because I'm attractive. It's the weirdest scene to add. It's like a threatening scene. It also makes him appear bad at his job. You know? But again, what is his job exactly? Because if his job is to just make the bombs, then I think he's fine at that job. I think he's a bomb expert for hire for people that need help dealing with some sort of situation.

30:58Jason Mantzoukas:But then why is he rejecting Sharon Stone? Because it seems like her situation qualifies. these three men killed my parents who were innocent and i watched them die and he doesn't check all the boxes for me like do you think though jason that this is his normal vetting process yes wow yeah i think i think his vetting process is go to a city i think if this movie get a pet if this movie had worked my guess my guess is that there are a number of other novels to suggest storylines for. Maybe he goes to Cincinnati and he sets up shop in an abandoned water warehouse. I don't know what. Give me the biggest conspicuous thing in your city.

31:45Jason Mantzoukas:I'll move to Chicago and own the Sears Tower. Great. No one will ever find me there. But I will say this. There's a screenwriting book called Save the Cat. It was very popular for a couple of years. The idea was that in the first act, you would see, you know, your character do something that was nice that you get him on your side, that you'd save the cat. Here, he kills the cat, which is the child, and then also then saves the cat. Like, the movie wants it both ways. He saves the cat and kills the kid. That was so weird. He, like, picks... He doesn't know how to hold a cat either. He's just like, Oh, I don't know how to catch it.

32:21I'm just gonna take you home. I'll fuck you on the sewer. Kiss your mouth. He's like Lenny from Of Mice and Men. You think he might crush the cat or crush Sharon Stone? I don't know. He seems capable of murder. Also, that cat was pretty distracting. In the scene where he's sweaty, like, doing the bomb, that cat's climbing a chain-link fence in his house. It's like... I'll tell you one thing I don't want near a bomb. A fucking cat! The way everybody treats, I mean, the bomb squad of the Miami PD is also treating bomb material very casually. Like strewn across and we see them. And by the way, is James Wood a cop?

33:11I don't know. He had access to the CIA. Is he lying? He's a cop. No, he's not. Rod Steiger inserts him into the police department. and that's the scene with the chief of police is there. Oh, okay. Rod Steiger's like, hey, I need you to make this guy part of the police investigation. But what then happens is James Woods just walks into the police station and is like, you fucking idiots! I handle this! You do that! You fucking idiot! I created a bomb out of a pen! I'm crazy! James Woods is eating every morsel of screen time he is allotted. He is chomp, chomp, chomping away.

33:54Jason Mantzoukas:He clearly, like, and he's often not with anybody else. So I feel like he's like, look, these people that are in my scene, shut the fuck up. Let me, let me cook. Oh my God. And he's always like. When he's again running a different part of the Miami PD where they're staging a sting to try to get, to try to get Stallone to call into the message boards. I don't know. And they have all of this. So they have all of these women pretending to be Sharon Stone. Because is he attracted to women in distress? I think he's attracted to... He likes phone calls with women. He's like, I just like disembodied voices.

34:32Yeah, he likes it. He's like, they make me so hard. A thousand percent, he likes it over the phone. So, but what's so crazy about that scene is that he, those wonderful background artists who are all, most of them are women and I guess they're cops there. They genuinely look terrified. Like, truly. They do. Nobody in those scenes is safe. Yeah. I like the scene when James Woods is going to the elevator and is literally like, get a new shirt, you fucking idiot. Get in my fucking way. I got, get next one, next one.

35:07Jason Mantzoukas:There's a man who witnessed a murder, a young boy who's a car valet who's like sitting there and he's like, What the fuck are you laughing at? Piece of shit. This kid is given like three sticks of dynamite. He's given like a cartoon level bomb. He looks like a Tim Balth character. He's fucking freaking out. And James Woods comes in. He's like, my whole thing is I yell at whoever I'm in a scene with. I dress them down fully. And it's incredible. So you're saying, one second, Paul. So you're saying that James Woods and Stallone just happen to both be in Miami? No. No. James Woods is using Sharon Stone to draw Stallone out.

35:52Okay. Yeah, because that scene where he hits her? Got it. Right. Of course, of course, of course. Like fucking hits her? Oh, yeah. And then plays with the blood on her lip? I was like, this is wild. I did not like that. I didn't like it either. But did you like it when she slapped that woman in the bathroom? I loved it. I loved it. Oh, I loved it. Because that was the hottest thing I've seen in a while. Bam! She pushed her. Henry, she'll call you back. Kablam!

36:22Jason Mantzoukas:There was elements of this that felt like Stallone was embracing his feminine side, but then there's another element of it where everyone just felt up Sharon Stone. Willy nilly. Like, everybody was like, I got to touch everywhere. Yeah, at the funeral, he like gets on his knees and then shoves his hand up her skirt. And I was like, Dios mio. But then she did have a gun and I was like, okay, well. What's really sad is that's not the first time someone was felt up in that church. He was just moved to a different parish.

37:01I wrote that joke down. Can you explain? That joke is in my notes. Wait, at the funeral I really loved when James Woods comes in and he's like, open the casket and everyone's like, what? He's like, open it and then he goes, that bitch That was my favorite part of this movie

37:20Jason Mantzoukas:To a woman who we've heard in the eulogy as being a pillar of the community A saint This funeral has been twice interrupted by rude white men First of all, I was like, wait a minute, what? by the way that was he i mean like can you imagine being at who's that guy walks straight up and needs to look into the oh that's not her and then james woods comes in points a gun at the priest and calls her a bitch those people will have questions for the rest of their lives what do you think grandma was up to that's what I love so much about this movie like there's moments like that there's moments when Sharon Stone pushes a very nice lady and steals her phone and slaps her where it's surprising and I'm like I love that this movie goes there now I was trying to follow Sharon Stone's plan and how she that whole mix-a-roo with that grandma so what did she do exactly?

38:26she put her own well this doesn't entirely I didn't understand the general part

38:31Jason Mantzoukas:I literally was like, I don't know why everyone's confused. I don't know why this is even working. What did she do? I can tell you what it is and what's said, but there is a disconnect. So James Woods is looking at the paper, and he sees that a woman who has the name of Sharon Stone's alias. I didn't know she had an alias. She has an alias. Her funeral will be the funeral at that church. It's like Arlene something or other. So he notices that and obviously Stallone notices it. So they both converge on that church. If James Woods had been there early enough, he would have run into Stallone. It doesn't matter.

39:08So just out of curiosity, so it just happened that her alias died at the same time that she was also killed.

39:18Jason Mantzoukas:This is where it falls apart. What she says is that she took, that Sharon Stone went by a hospital and dropped her own ID. Somebody OD'd and she was able to make it seem as though that was her. But then that's clearly not who's in the casket. Okay, so whoever's in the casket, I see. So whoever's in the casket is not Arlene, the alias, certainly not May. It's someone altogether different. I believe so. Wow. Wow. I believe so. Wow. But it gets Stallone to show up to the church, which is what she wants. Well, it does make sense because nobody else but those two people would know that alias. Correct.

39:58So I guess the obituary, I guess it does all check out quite well. I don't think the woman who's being eulogized or who's being, I don't think her name matches the alias. I think the obituary announcement was a fake out.

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44:03But he tries to give that lady the seat, and then the guy sits down, and he beats them up. And then he turns to that woman and goes, I believe there's a vacancy.

44:13Jason Mantzoukas:And in that moment, Nicole, in that moment, I was like, this guy is a straight-up psychopath. Because he didn't just, like, punch a guy and knock him out. He kicks a man out of a bus window. The man is jettisoned out of a bus window. There's no way that bus is going to continue on its route. And that's what I'm saying. The bus is done. You fucked up the whole day. She's like, I would rather stand. Everybody else on the bus. Their whole day is ruined. Why am I late for work and getting fired? Because some asshole kicked a guy through a window of my bus. I also found it really funny that he always was on pay phones.

44:55Jason Mantzoukas:And obviously, that's a different time than before. There's more pay phones. But I'll tell you where there's not a pay phone. At the edge of a dock. Right? there's one moment where she's like looking out there's like a jetty like it's about 20 feet off a larger dock it's like where should we put the payphone out there maybe like it couldn't be there's no way phone lines are getting out there and he's like yeah at the very tip of the dock I was like that was my favorite shot him alone in a little payphone who's using that I also liked before the fight, he said, oh, my glasses. Because he can't fight with sunglasses on.

45:41I love this as a very inspired impression for you. It is good. Well, at one point, I had to turn on the subtitles. I was like, what the fuck are you saying? I did that about 12 years ago. Never turned them off.

45:55Jason Mantzoukas:Jason has got me into the subtitles. But Jason, you watch movies just for fun and enjoyment, not for this, but like... Subtitles. Yeah, me too. You always tell me about it. It's a problem. You always are saying, get it off. It's a problem. It's now conditioned me to look at the bottom of the screen in a way that I'm genuinely missing visual filmmaking. It's so strange. Because I'm like, you gotta read! Jason, that's so weird. Let's talk about the moment when Sharon Stone is telling Stallone about his plan. I would imagine the plan is this. Sharon Stone finds a bomb expert, James Woods, tells James Woods, I need to kill these men.

46:40Jason Mantzoukas:James Woods is like, I'll do that for you, but you need to get this person that I'm trying to get. So why don't you pretend like you don't have me? You get him the same way you got me. So complicated. And then I'll get my, my payment is me getting him, and then we'll kill your people too. Well, no, I don't know. Because James Woods is working for Rod Steiger. But I think she did the same thing. She reconned the first specialist because he's also a specialist and out-of-work specialist. Yeah, but how do you find the specialists? On that bulletin board. I don't know. They're Korean warriors. Yeah, that seems to be their dark web thing.

47:19I think it's go on the dark web and you can find somebody. But like, how do you even get that idea? Bombs. It's absurd.

47:26Jason Mantzoukas:She literally says they're more precise than guns. That's not true. Nobody's ever said that No one's ever said I want revenge I want to blow them up And so much so that she Her moment Her moment of like Finally my job is done Is to face Eric Roberts While he explodes She's in the room With him while he is Exploded to death And she says to Stallone afterwards where it's like, I knew your control, your explosions were so controlled that I would be just fine. And I'm like, how? What a risk. She was too close. She was so close. Again, not to, you know, like Stallone's got that cat in his apartment or warehouse, gear house, but he also put that coffee cup in a tennis bag.

48:18That cat's name is Timer. Cat's name is Timer. You know how I know that? The closed caption he told me.

48:29Jason Mantzoukas:I also want to go back to the first bomb in the brothel. The first bomb in the brothel, the mini bomb, where the lowest tier guy that he has to kill. He kills Brent Sexton from season four of Bosch, baby. Yeah, Bosch. Bosch is where it happens. I wrote that down too. But I love it goes, you've been stealing from me. You've been cooking the books. And then the reveal is the whole month of September is gone. like that's a shitty way to cook the books like you should be murdered you should be executed for that it's not like you're skimming out the top that's just they're racing one of the 12 months can you imagine being like oh I didn't think you'd notice an entire month is gone and then the guy that kills him gets blown up by one of Stone's like mini bombs and his head goes through the aquarium oh my god that made me laugh so hard It was a shoe in a head.

49:28Incredible. Give me more of that.

49:31Jason Mantzoukas:And whose shoe? Sloane's at a bar talking to a sex worker. And is it her shoe that also flies off? No, it's the other woman's shoe. She's fixing her shoe in a scene. And I believe it is her shoe. So she's at the bar. So not so precise, by the way. And the vibration from the other room. There's a lot of collateral damage in this movie. Yeah, there has to be. They're bombs. they're bombs and there doesn't seem to be any like aftermath like the bombs happen everyone's like back to work but this is but this is what we see the entire time like james woods is on a date with sharon stone or not james woods yeah no um eric roberts is on a date with sharon stone he's like hold on a second let me beat the shit out of this guy in this cafe like there's multiple times he just walks away pulls out a knife beats somebody up and it's like no one reacts like No one in that bar is like, oh, yeah, you just beat up my customers.

50:27Jason Mantzoukas:No, it's cool. It's fine. There's just ultraviolence going on in my end. Also, I was like, is this how I get into a relationship? Be completely disinterested in the man and borderline mean to him? And then I'll be moved into a big fancy place? Sharon Stone hated him. She sometimes gave him... I feel like the idea would be look at him with loving eyes. And then when he turns, he's like, fuck you. But she gave the fuck you eyes. Yes, she wouldn't wait till he turned. She'd be like, I love you. I'll kill you. Here's what I'm going to say. Sharon Stone didn't need Sylvester Stallone. He is terrible at his job.

51:08She is so much better and has so many opportunities to kill Eric Roberts. She's like basically dating him seriously. They are pre-engaged. And she could have killed Eric Roberts at any point. and she has access to him fully. She doesn't even need Stallone. She's better at Stallone's job than he is. I think she just wants the bombs.

51:31Jason Mantzoukas:Well, I think that she wants to get all three, but she really didn't want to get all three because it's all double-cross. I'm still a little confused about what she was up to with James Woods and why that was necessary. It was a bit of a criss-cross. This is my plan. So my plan is that she's like, oh God, I need a bomb specialist. and she goes on that weekend warrior thing. James was like, hey, I'm your person. Tells her the story. He's like, I'll go down to Miami. I'll set myself up there. You pull out Stallone from the woodwork. You do that. So he's infiltrating that. She's getting Stallone telling him the same story.

52:07Jason Mantzoukas:James Woods is like, I'm going to get you this. It's a full plan. I guess. I'm just like, if I'm her, I'm like, can I just pay you? And if not, I'll go back on the site and try to find someone else. James, yes. Basically, James Woods is using her to draw out Stallone, and she's using James Woods to get access to the Rod Steiger, Eric Roberts, the guys she wants to kill. I think I understand it. James Woods is like, this is going to cost a lot of money, but if you just pull out Stallone, I'll do it for free. And Stallone's like, I'll do it for free if it checks all my boxes, but it doesn't check all of his boxes.

52:46I don't think Sharon Stone hired James Woods. I think she did though Because there was like the double Like yeah

52:55Jason Mantzoukas:He's like my payment is You do this But she's reneging on that because she's falling in love with Stallone And he's like look If all these guys die and I don't get Stallone I'm killing you And that's the only thing he can really do I don't know that I ever believed She was in love with Stallone Maybe if James Woods read a line in the script We would understand the plot a little bit better wait you don't think they're in love as they ride away and that i mean i think 64 mustang with what was the song that played that was unhinged it was like me up before i go go now like what was it that was turn the beat around that was wild the craziest ending a bunch of saxophones and horn music this is the craziest ending of any movie ever made it reminded me of greece when they fly Yes.

53:47Except this is in a boat. Incredible. He's like, what is happening? I love that she's, she blows up Rod Steiger with a locket? I doubt it. And then she drives them away. He's waiting in the car and she's like, let's go.

54:01Jason Mantzoukas:This is it. This is the final scene. Here we go. I thought he was opening up candies, but it's, it's like, oh yeah, what is this?

54:13Joe Rod Steiger!

54:26How do you feel? Better. Ha ha! She's the hero!

54:42Oh, this is wild! This is Irresponsible Driving. No! Oh, it sure sounds pretty. Your fire hits keep moving to the nitty-gritty. When you hear the scratch-up guitar scratching.

54:57Jason Mantzoukas:This is a movie about revenge, murder, and bombs, and this is how it ends. And by the way, I will say that Gloria Estefan's husband, Emilio Estefan Jr., has a small part in this, the piano player, and a few other members of the Miami Sound Machine are in the film. Did he also compose the music for the film? Oh, yes, he did, yes. Oh, I saw that. Wow, way to go, June, knowing that little detail. Let's quickly also just talk one second about this idea they set up, I hate knives. Stallone hates knives. That was weird. But then when he goes into that very dark kitchen. Oh, that was so funny. He said, before I fight, I better turn off these lights.

55:38Jason Mantzoukas:Turns off all the lights in the kitchen, and what does he grab? A knife. and uses it effectively. Like, to set up, it's like, Indiana Jones goes like, I hate snakes. And then you put him in a situation where he's surrounded by snakes. It's like, oh, fuck, he's got to figure it out. He's like, well, I mean, I hate knives, but I'll use it. Not my preferred, you know. Also, there was like a sink of boiling water. Yeah. I was like, what are they cooking in this? Potatoes. Like, it's so big. And then when that man gets in it, he's like.

56:20it made me laugh so hard there were so many moments that i had to pause it and rewind it and be like what the fuck happened i loved it i agree with you and i will say that this movie

56:30Jason Mantzoukas:oddly moved fast and very slow because at one point at 45 minutes in i was like shit it's another hour and like 20 minutes i was like because it's like it it is moving at a clip but it's almost like you're in quicksand. It's like people are flailing, but it's not. Well, there were so many scenes that weren't needed. We didn't need that bus scene. No, the bus scene does nothing. It doesn't move the plot, nothing. And it's arguably, like, once again, bad for Stallone. He shouldn't be making this much of a spectacle of himself if he wants to remain quiet off the grid. The reason he takes the bus is to be an invisible ghost.

57:07But then he can't, like, clobber six guys on the bus.

57:10Jason Mantzoukas:Well, can I also say, and again, I'm not trying to defend these gentlemen, but I felt like... It sounds like you are. I know I'm against kids and punks, but there's a moment where basically this guy took another woman's seat, rude, and then he goes, hey, can you get up? He goes, fuck you. It seems like the penalty was very high for that. Like, it seems like to be kicked out of a bus window. Again, I'm not saying it's good. There was an open seat. Where he came from was now an open seat. I didn't see that. She could have sat right here. He slid right on over and left a seat for someone else to sit in.

57:53This bit of violence was unnecessary. It was unhinged. I thought that guy was also harassing a young woman on the bus. So there was that. I get it. But I did not realize there was an open seat. Yes, a fully open seat. Like when he says that line, Nicole, that you said, like, I believe there's a vacancy. Like she should have been like, get away from me, you monster. Yeah, I just watched you kill three people on a bus so that I could have a seat. Like, I don't want to be a part of your nightmare.

58:23Jason Mantzoukas:I want to see like the after scene of that where it's like, is the bus going to go? And the bus is like, no, I have to file a report now. But when that lady handed him back the glasses, she seemed a little turned on. The pregnant lady? The lady, when she gave back the glasses, she was just like, here are your glasses. I think she liked it. She didn't see any of his vascularity. Oh my God. Did anyone have any issues? And we'll come to the audience in one second. With Sharon Stone taking off all of her clothes and sitting naked in like a chaise lounge. Yeah, it was fucking weird. What shocked me about that scene was, I was like, oh, I think she's naked.

59:11Jason Mantzoukas:But then when she gets up and you see her breath, I was like, oh, it was so unnecessary to see her naked in that scene. Respectfully, I disagree.

59:24Sharon's so naked on the phone with Stallone trying to peep out the window to see if he's in the phone booth across from her apartment was electric. That's when he's in the dock phone booth.

59:38Jason Mantzoukas:That's when he's in the little baby dock. Lizzie, I was saying to Paul, I was like, the idea of, like, coming home to relax and just taking off your top and taking off your bra and just sitting, you know, is so absurd to me. I get taking off your bra immediately. But she keeps her shoes on. I know. It's just, it's so wildly uncomfortable that I just kept looking at her and thinking like, oh, put on a tank top. Like, just put on something. That's, we all know that's very uncomfortable. I didn't realize her shoes were on. That's so funny. Oh, I got to free these titties, but oh, got to keep the dogs locked up.

1:00:18They're good. You just got to let people really breathe.

1:00:21Jason Mantzoukas:It also looks like she threw the dress in the trash can. Like she's like That dress Her entire wardrobe Is single use Like Tobey Maguire In his underpants I was obsessed With everything she wore I loved the fact That she was in An evening gown And a scrunchie I I wish I loved it I wish everybody else Was in the Well James Woods might have been I was gonna say Was in the same movie That Sharon Stone is in Because Yes She is firing On all cylinders and imagine if you will, this is what I was going to say earlier, imagine if you will, instead of an aged Sylvester Stallone for this, you know, dynamic, what if it was young Nicolas Cage as the specialist?

1:01:11Trained by, or somebody, I don't know, somebody else, somebody younger, somebody...

1:01:15Jason Mantzoukas:So picture this scene with the two of them yelling then. Come on, talk to me. You sell your service to the highest bidder, won't you, you stinking maggot? These women are terrified. Fuck you, Ray! Fuck you! You killed! He did that, lady! This one hurt! 10, 50, 100 before you lost count. Your bombs. Who's he talking to? By the way, look at this guy. Oh, Jesus. And by the way... This is like take 35. James Woods is just like, I'm going to go to my trailer for five minutes and then I'm coming back and I'm going to be brilliant. In Bogota, your bomb in the cabana. But you're getting slappy, Ray. You broke your famous code, didn't you?

1:01:58You killed an innocent guy. Can you pause right there for a second? His watch is on the outside of his sleeve. What's happening?

1:02:11Oh, my God.

1:02:14Jason Mantzoukas:God, that is so funny. This is movie star shit. Like, they said to Stallone, we can't see your watch. And he's like, fuck you, director. I'll put it on the outside. like this is like a pissing contest. He's mad. God. Oh, I think the opposite. I think Stallone is like, I want to be, I got to know it's a minute in, I'm going to be traced, so I need a watch. And they're like, well, yeah, but it would be under all your clothes. He'd be like, oh, put it outside. Oh, I love it. I really do hope it was like his choice. He's like, yeah, she is. I think if, I think if it's 1994 and it's a Sylvester Stallone, I think everything is his choice.

1:02:53Jason Mantzoukas:did you watch a little bit more James Woods you killed an innocent bystander Ray and it's just eating you up inside isn't it you were always too fucking sensitive guess what I'm coming Ray I'm coming to take all the pain away I'm gonna fucking cut it right out of you and I'm gonna close you I believe they are in love more so that's interesting more so than Sharon Stone and Sylvester Stone because I believe my headcanon for this movie is that Sharon Stone is playing everybody. Stallone, Woods, everybody. Her parents. Her parents. She's the one that ratted them out to the Colombians. She's like, this is exactly what I wanted.

1:03:43Like, she seems to me to be the most capable person in this movie. because these two, Woods and Stallone, are clearly involved in some sort of nightmare, decades-long romance. Psychosexual something. In my hand. I'm right behind you, and I know you. I know you. Yep, right behind you. He said, I'm going to hold your heart in my hand. That's romance. Time's up, 58 seconds. Yeah, and I think Stallone might be the bottom in their relationship.

1:04:22Jason Mantzoukas:What is he doing? Why is he wrecking the recording? I love that woman. Terrified. She's the only one reacting to the environment. Just watch her, please. Give her an Oscar. Yeah, she's the only one. I love her. she's out acting james woods on every level that's the shirt for the show that woman's face let's go to the audience and see what questions you all have um okay um in this movie they hide bombs and lots of things teacups uh cigarette cases uh uh you know bridges uh where would you hide your bomb is my question to all of you and uh just ask me your question raise your hand if you have a good question anybody oh yeah right here what's your name matt matt and where would you hide your bomb in an earpiece oh that would be tricky in an earpiece damn all right what's your question uh so at the end the bomb truck explodes did he have a bomb on there the entire movie just waiting for them to show up oh that is interesting because at the end of the movie everything wait what was it so at the end the the bomb truck explodes yeah so did he have a bomb like there the entire movie in the bomb truck like like because everything explodes It was like underneath or he seemed to have, he seemed to have made the entire gear factory and its environs into a live bomb scenario.

1:05:54I felt like he could explode anything in that area. You know, the way the same way that he was somehow able to explode the top floor of that building. He and James Woods seem to have the raw materials for the most subtle bombs on their person at all times.

1:06:11Jason Mantzoukas:But yet they're blowing up a fucking giant bridge when we meet them. Like, it should have been like, he's leaving in that car with, like, they could have just, the way that this movie acts, they could have blown up the drug dealer and the daughter would have been fine. Because his bombs are so precise, it only gets the front seat. You know, it's like, that's it. But they decide to, like, rig two parts of it. Like, that seems so wildly big. And is maybe the idea being that he used to do big bombs and now he does small bombs? Because of what happened, if he could have only blown up the front seat, he's got to live with that.

1:06:49Jason Mantzoukas:And I will say the damning look of that girl, that girl looks at him like, you're going to kill me. And you know, like sometimes in movies you could tell, like they couldn't make her that young because it would be, it would devastate us as an audience. you know but they couldn't make her like a preteen either like she was exactly the age where we were gonna have to be okay with it see i'm like i'm like you know what i don't love it but i don't love it if an 11 year old dies yeah they've lived 11 years that's enough all right uh your name melissa melissa welcome melissa what where would you put your bomb definitely on that stinky ass shower floor.

1:07:31Jason Mantzoukas:Yes. And your question? Okay, sorry. Cut the sound if it's wrong, but when James Woods was interrogating the Miami PD's bomb squad, was that Greg Brady from the original Brady Bunch? Oh, somebody was thinking that too. It looked a lot like him. Let's say yes. It looked a lot like him. Great question. We'll never be cut out. Don't ever correct it. I don't want any correction or omission on the Discord about that. It's Greg Brady. We all knew it. We all agreed to it. Be cool. This movie takes place in the Brady-verse. That was Barry Williams, and if anyone says differently, we will bomb you. Okay, your name?

1:08:14Nina.

1:08:15Jason Mantzoukas:Nina, and where would you put your bomb? In the telephone booth. Okay, great. Oh, nice. Cute. You can put it in any. You don't have to put it in the movie. You can put it anywhere. What's your question? Okay, so there is a scene where Rod Steiger is trying to get up off the couch and the police the police like chief guy is like helping him up whose idea you think it was to keep that in the movie? Well Rod Steiger Rod Steiger nails it with what is clearly an improvised line where he goes I hate these deep couches

1:08:51I hate these deep couches I love that this movie is taking a stand. Give us shallow couches or give us no couches at all.

1:09:05Jason Mantzoukas:All right, well, we heard from the audience there, and now it is time for second opinions. Timer the cat, assassins you hire and nap. I want you to hang up in 58 seconds. This way he cannot be tracked. X-E-I-A Hired by someone named May It turns out that Ned's out of Bray And bombs are their favorite way Oh, Stallone's a specialist You know I have no notes to give you Did you all get a boner too? You know it gets a five-star review Amazon, this is true. 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5 stars. Amazing. Great work. Thank you. All right. Let me tell you, these are second opinions pulled from Amazon, and they are wild.

1:10:15Jason Mantzoukas:Wild, okay? There are, This gets an average four out of five stars on Amazon, where there's over 1 ,000 reviews. 76 % are five-star reviews. Wow. But I'm going to kind of bullet through them because they are all one sentence. So here we go. I'm just going to speed right through them. Here we go. Bob writes, reminds me of when I lived on the Miami River on a 51-foot trawler. Beautiful cinematography. Sharon Stone isn't too bad either Five stars Amazon customer writes Honestly, it's not a particularly great movie But it's got a Porsche 968 in it So it's good enough for me Five stars

1:11:06Jason Mantzoukas:DLG writes Critics did not rate this film well They must have been men Because this is a woman's fantasy Five stars

1:11:21Jason Mantzoukas:And that sentiment continues When someone writes I enjoyed this movie Great bodies and beautiful people In a beautiful Miami setting Yes, it's a woman's movie In spite of the action What? Five stars I get it I do get it It's because you're seeing Stallone's body all sexual and shit. I wouldn't call it a woman's movie, though. I think it's like the romance is for the ladies, and that's heavy in the movie, and then the bombs are for the boys, so they stick around. Jason, you missed people calling this a woman's movie in the five-star reviews. Well, I do feel like this exists in the fried green tomatoes verse.

1:12:09Yeah. It's like Steel Magnolias. Steel Magnolias, fried green tomatoes, as the specialist. It's a trilogy for the ages. They've all got Robertses in them.

1:12:24Jason Mantzoukas:A couple of fun facts about this movie. Eric Roberts, only two years older than Sharon Stone, but he was supposed to have killed her parents when she was a child. Okay. Stallone said the secret to their shower scene was... bringing a bottle of Black Death vodka up to the set that was given to him by Michael Douglas. And after a half a dozen shots, we were wet and wild. I don't like that. Nope. Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. I don't like it from a safety standpoint. Not at all. That's why they were on the floor. Yeah, they were like, we can't stand up anymore. We gotta...

1:13:14So I... There's a real history in Hollywood

1:13:22Jason Mantzoukas:about Stallone being kind of tricked and conned by producers and other actors. The most famously, like Schwarzenegger read a really bad script called Stop or My Mom Will Shoot. And he's like, get the rumor out there that I want to do it. so Stallone will try to steal it from me and then he'll do this real shitball movie. And then he did. And Stallone never wanted to do the movie. He was just to fuck with him. And it's been, like, they have a history. So in this movie, like, Stallone was kind of playing hardball and the producer said, hey, look, if you don't decide in 15 minutes Warren Beatty wants to do this movie.

1:14:00Jason Mantzoukas:And he's like, all right, I'm in. And Warren Beatty was never attached or anywhere near the movie. How much did it make? Well, I'll get to that in one second, how much it made. Hey, guy, relax. Wow. He just really needs to know. I've been watching this whole show. I want to know how much it made. What you made? It's tough numbers. He needs to know. Hey, log on to Box Office Mojo, guy. He's got it here. It's a wall. I didn't come here for jokes. I came here for Box Office. Let's get the metrics going. It's the data. Give me that data dump. Give me above the line and below the line costs.

1:14:46Jason Mantzoukas:Before tonight's show starts... You're an asshole, guy.

1:14:54Wrap the show up. I got a sitter. Give me the box office and let me out of this place.

1:15:04I'm done with this show. I came from box office and I got Bupkus so far.

1:15:13Jason Mantzoukas:For some context, before the show started, we played the trailer to The Specialist. And when Jason came out here, he said, Paul, were you upset that James Woods did not get billing in the sequence, in the credits? Like that he's one of the lead characters in the movie. There's a good reason for that. Stallone demanded that James Woods' scenes were to be cut out of the film. And some of his scenes to be reshot so Stallone would have more screen time. He was worried that Woods would steal the movie away from him because he was a better actor than him. And Stallone also did the same thing to Rucker Hauer on Nighthawk.

1:15:56Jason Mantzoukas:So that is the reason why... Rucker Hauer was in two Hawk-based movies? Lady Hawk and Nighthawk. And here's the thing that I found most interesting before we get to how much it made. Are you okay, my guy? Are you okay to wait a couple more seconds?

1:16:20Jason Mantzoukas:Before there was a blacklist. A blacklist is this amazing thing that Franklin Leonard does where he like polls people in Hollywood. What are the best scripts that aren't made? And there's a list and it can help screenwriters really get to the top of the heap. It's just about who has a great script. The Los Angeles Times did something similar to that. And in 1993, the Los Angeles Times listed The Specialist as the best unproduced thriller script in Hollywood based on a poll of 40 agents, producers, and studio executives. so this movie was a hot commodity and it had a budget of 45 million all your dreams are coming true get ready we're talking those numbers Paul a budget of what 45 million that's what I'm here for we're getting closer the opening weekend was 14.3.

1:17:29Oh, God. And the full domestic gross. Oh, dump it all on me. Give me the whole fucking number, Paul.

1:17:43Jason Mantzoukas:57.4 million dollars. But the worldwide gross, 170 million. Adjusted for inflation, $347 million. Wow. That's like Avatar. Came in number 21 in the top 200 films of 1991 and that's a year where The Lion King, Forrest Gump, and True Lies comes out. This movie beat Time Cop, Disclosure, The Shadow, Junior, Color of Night, Street Fighter, Ghost in the Machine, and Double Dragon. It beat all of those movies? Yep. It came in number 21. And the tagline is killing is his profession. Revenge is her goal. Together, they take on the battle against the underworld mafia. Kind of got... That's the longest tagline.

1:18:37Jason Mantzoukas:By the way, terrible tagline. And here's the alt tagline. The government taught him to kill. Now he's using his skills to help a woman seek revenge against the Miami. These are like poems. These are not taglines. their haiku here's a better tagline she's hot but inexplicably he's naked she's hot he's not boom bye bye bye bye would have been the best tagline holy shit bye bye um well well well we really got into the specialist Nicole we have talked on our show about your show, Grand Crew, which is an amazing show on Peacock and Netflix. Tell us a little bit more about it. Grand Crew is about six friends who hang out in a bar and we drink and we fuck and we talk about life and relationships and it's like, it's silly.

1:19:42It's a very silly throwback to the 90s. It's a fun show.

1:19:45Jason Mantzoukas:It's a great ensemble and we talked to Phil and Carl on Last Looks. Where are you on your wine drinking journey? Oh. Well last night I drank half a bottle of wine After I had like I don't know Eight vodka sodas It was bad It was bad I woke up this morning And I was like I'm unwell And then went into my kitchen And then you had to watch this movie? I'm so sorry I was so hungover Just being like Well this is good It was honestly really nice To watch it hungover That's the way that they shot The shower scene Yeah more or less Nicole anything else you want to plug podcast oh yeah I got podcasts why won't you date me best friends 90 day bay I'm like working out material in DC and Denver and you can just go to my Instagram and hit the link in the bio I don't know the dates I love it that's great June I know you and I are very excited about this show that we're on moon girl and devil dinosaur on Disney plus it's actually fantastic it's a great show really really fun I'm so excited it and also paul you'll be at it bitch sesh and the deep dive is hosting a show slash pickleball tournament slash extravaganza called i'd hit that on may 13th so if you're in los angeles or traveling to los angeles and you want to buy tickets you can head to janeclub.com slash pickleball and come to the show paul will be our celebrity dj and mc and it's gonna be so much fun May 13th I will shout out even though I'm not in it John Wick 4 Get involved Wait You went to a movie theater?

1:21:31Nope Oh wow Don't worry about it but go see this movie

1:21:36Jason Mantzoukas:Can you I can't afford the three I can't find those three hours I need to talk to your source God damn it Also, I play a recurring part in the Netflix show Agent Elvis. That is an animated show. I was cut out of that show. What's that? I was cut out of that show. Really? I recorded, I was recording my voice and I was like, they're going to cut me. I wasn't doing whatever they wanted me to do. And I've had this experience twice in my life. And I was feeling it. And then like a couple months later, like, we're going to recast you. Well, listen, it sounds like we're still in Moon Girl. Devil Dinosaur.

1:22:12Yes. I will say congratulations. On the pickup of Star Trek Lower Decks, which is fantastic. And I will please urge people to watch Star Trek Prodigy, the show that I am on, which is absolutely fantastic and needs your eyeballs. Get involved.

1:22:28Jason Mantzoukas:And I'll also say, if you like Star Trek Picard season three, don't worry about one and two. It's great. But more importantly, Dungeons and Dragons, the movie, is good. You saw it there. Okay. Right? I hate medieval shit. It makes me, like, really upset. Yeah. But I was not upset watching that movie. It's a fucking comedy. It's really funny. It's really good. Wait, why does medieval shit make you upset? Oh, it makes me so mad. Because I can just imagine how stinky they are. Oh, yeah, I get that. I don't like that, like, there's no, like, hems. Everything's, like, jagged and nasty. And they got stupid fucking belts, and there's, like, rocks everywhere.

1:23:03I agree.

1:23:04Jason Mantzoukas:The belts are stupid. I don't know. I'm not here for it. I agree with you that they made medieval stuff look nicer. It was better. Yeah, it was palatable. But the jokes made me happy I was like these people look like trash But like it's funny And I'm not angry A lot of funny funny jokes Like really great surprise cameos They make a choice with this dragon that made me laugh so hard I don't want to ruin it They have a cameo in it that was shocking And the scene plays out like This drama in the middle of this comedy movie It's beautifully done Anyway Wait can I say one last thing I thought it was really interesting When they were running at the end and the bombs were going off like in front and behind them, Sharon Stone yelped every time a bomb went off.

1:23:46And I was like kind of concerned. I was like, are these happening too close to her? Did they rehearse? I was like, did they tell her?

1:23:53Jason Mantzoukas:Well, I kind of liked it because it gave me like a human reaction to bombs. Like this movie is like bombs go off all the time. Like it's like a doorbell. Like she's like, oh, fuck. Like she, she, she should be jumping. Another, just a tiny bit of evidence that this is really a love story between Stallone and Woods is the, you're the rigger, I'm the trigger. That is the most romantic line in the movie. That's what the movie's about. You're the rigger, I'm the trigger. James Woods is saying in the whole movie, why don't you see I'm in love with you? You're the rigger, I'm the trigger, come on. Should that be the shirt?

1:24:37Yeah, that may be it. You're the rig around the trigger

1:24:40Jason Mantzoukas:in a silhouette of both their faces. I love this. Nicole, so great to have you back. Hey, would you recommend the movie? Oh, okay, okay. But before we go... Hey, lady? But before we go, would we recommend... Talk to that guy about the box office. Sometimes I feel like this question is... We've already gone through it, but... Yeah, I mean, I think that's clear. Yes. Yeah, yes. Would we recommend the movie? Yes, yes, yeah. Great. Give it up for our amazing crew up in the booth We have a producer Our sound engineer Got new live engineers up there It's an amazing group They put this show together every week Thank you for coming Thank you Nicole Thank you June Thank you Jason We'll be back in April for a three night run And then back in May And come see Dinosaur April 15 Thank you everybody, good night The show may be over But it continues next week on Last Books That's right We want you to join us on Last Looks to tell us all the things that we might have messed up, that we might have gotten wrong, and you get a chance to prove that you are better than us.

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1:26:19Jason Mantzoukas:You can find us online everywhere on any kind of social platform at HDTGM. And if you really just want to go old school, Check out our website at hdtgm.com that has links to everything you could possibly imagine. But this show, what you're listening to right here, couldn't be done without a couple of things. First of all, you listening. But more importantly, I'm talking about the amazing producorial work of Scott Sani, Molly Reynolds, and our movie picking producer, Averill Halley, our engineer, Alex Gonzalez, and our publisher, July Diaz. People, they make the trains run, and we love them. So we will see you next week for Last Looks.

1:26:59Jason Mantzoukas:And until then, bye for now.

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