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How Did This Get Made? - Episode Summary
Episode Title The Star Wars Holiday Special w/ Matt Gourley & Eden Sher (HDTGM Matinee)
Episode Description In this special episode of the comedy podcast How Did This Get Made?, hosts Paul Scheer, Jason Mantzoukas, and guests Matt Gourley and Eden Sher discuss the infamous 1978 CBS TV film The Star Wars Holiday Special. The episode covers the special's oddities, including Chewbacca's parenting skills, bizarre performances, and the overall execution of this unique piece of Star Wars canon.
Key Discussions
Overview of The Star Wars Holiday Special
- Aired only once in 1978, the special was an attempt to capitalize on the Star Wars phenomenon.
- Notable for its lack of plot cohesion and reliance on Wookiee characters speaking without subtitles.
- Features a mix of celebrity cameos, including Art Carney, Bea Arthur, and Harvey Korman.
Guests' Background
- Matt Gourley: A fan of Star Wars who recalls a childhood experience of watching the special and later receiving a bootleg copy.
- Eden Sher: A newer fan of the franchise, having only seen the original series recently.
Production and Reception
- Written by a team of writers who had little to no understanding of Star Wars.
- George Lucas reportedly wanted to distance himself from the project, even expressing a desire to destroy all copies post-airing.
- The special's absurdity and lack of quality led to a cult following, primarily through online sharing.
Thematic Elements
- The hosts humorously discuss Chewbacca’s relationships, especially his role as a father to his son, Lumpy.
- The episode explores the bizarre juxtaposition of the Wookiee family dynamics with a holiday theme, which felt out of place.
Key Moments
- Diahann Carroll's Virtual Reality Sequence: An odd segment interpreted as soft-core porn, showcasing Lumpy's interaction with a holographic character.
- Harvey Korman's Performances: His commitment to various comedic bits was both admired and mocked by the hosts.
- The Cooking Segment: A long, unengaging cooking show segment featuring Wookiee recipes that seemed out of place within the context of the special's narrative.
Critique of Characters and Writing
- Discussion of character portrayals, including Chewbacca's depiction as a deadbeat father and the lack of agency for characters like Princess Leia.
- Notable commentary on the production quality, costumes, and overall execution, with many segments described as tedious and ineffective.
Observations on Marketing and Legacy
- The special served as a vehicle for merchandising, particularly the introduction of Boba Fett, who was later featured in The Empire Strikes Back.
- The concept of Life Day serves as a potential catalyst for exploring deeper themes of family and community, albeit poorly executed.
Final Thoughts
- The hosts conclude that while the special is considered one of the worst pieces of television, it holds an odd charm that has led to its enduring legacy in pop culture.
- Recommendations for listeners to watch it, particularly during the holiday season, for its sheer absurdity and unintentional comedy.
Key Takeaways
- Cultural Impact: The Star Wars Holiday Special is an example of how bad art can become a beloved cultural artifact.
- Comedy in Absurdity: The hosts find humor in the strange choices made throughout the special, highlighting how those moments contribute to its lore.
- Unique Viewing Experience: The episode encourages listeners to engage with the special, not for its quality but as a historical oddity within the Star Wars franchise.
Conclusion This episode of How Did This Get Made? provides a thorough comedic analysis of The Star Wars Holiday Special, revealing the quirks and failures that make it a memorable, albeit flawed, piece of television history. The hosts' lively discussions and humorous critiques offer listeners a fun and engaging way to revisit this infamous special.
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Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, a group of writers were tasked with writing a holiday special about Star Wars. but none of them ever saw Star Wars. We saw Star Wars, the holiday special, so you know what that means. Now it's time for How Did This Get Made? We're gonna have a good time, celebrate some failure, not just be a hater, cause you know you wonder, how did this get made? Let's wallow in the mediocrity of subpar art. Perhaps we'll find the answer to the question, how did this get made? Hello, people of Earth, and welcome to How Did This Get Made, our holiday edition. Normally, we do movies on the podcast.
0:40We are doing something different today. We are focusing on a 1978 CBS television special that was made around Christmastime focusing on Star Wars. If you have not seen it, I urge you right now to stop what you're doing and check it out. But now that you have all this warning in front of you, I now would like to introduce my co-host, live from New York, Jason Manzoukas. Hey-o! In New York right now. In New York City celebrating Life Day. Yes, so excited. As the listeners of the show know, June does not celebrate Life Day and is very anti-Life Day, so she is not here. But we have some amazing guests joining us.
1:24Does that mean that June is part of the Empire? I'm just saying that June, you know, is brought up imperial and doesn't really celebrate kind of wookie. Does she celebrate the war on Holot on Life Day? I don't want to talk about what she does. Yes. I mean, like, she believes that obviously that, you know, you know, I don't want to say. Look, there's a lot of things going on with June and her beliefs. And we keep them very separate. So you just heard Matt Gourley, who is joining us, and I would say the maker of so many great podcasts, but also a true Star Wars fan. From way back. I had to have seen this on TV.
2:04I have vague recollections of it. I would have been five when this was on. So there's no way I missed it. But then I was given a bootleg copy of this in the early 90s, which I treasured, and it had all the commercials intact. So this thing has been with me my whole life. And you know her from the middle. Please welcome Eden Sher. Now, you're a newer Star Wars convert, right? Yes. I just saw the originals like a year and a half. I don't even remember actually seeing the second one. I feel like I watched it but didn't actually watch it. But yeah, I just saw them like a year and a half, two years ago.
2:36But then I saw the new one. I love it. Yeah. Well, I love the new one. There's so much to talk about. But this special, this is crazy because I got like a DVD of this when I was a kid. and I was like, whoa, this is crazy and weird, but I never watched the entire thing at all. It's impossible. It's impossible to sit through it all at once. Did people, you got it, like people gave it as gifts for, like it as a thing? It was, well, here's like a little bit of the backstory and it's all kind of a little bit documented. I'm gonna kind of give you my version of it. This was made, George Lucas says he had no involvement in it, But it has come out that he has had involvement in it.
3:18He had watched the dailies every day and he had asked for this to be about Wookiees on the planet of Kashyyyk because he wanted to get into this in the Star Wars world. So he was a little hands on. And then he also gave it to these writers like Pat Proft who wrote Airplane and Naked Gun and of course Bruce Valanche who – That's right. TV's Bruce Valanche. Classic Valanche. There's so many classic Valanche bits in this. And none of them seem to have watched Star Wars at this point that this was being made. So you have writers who are not versed in the Star Wars universe writing a special for Star Wars.
4:03But there are a lot of interesting things we'll get into that kind of connect to the Star Wars canon. But, yes, this is a failed thing. And George Lucas has gone around and said if he had a sledgehammer in the time, he would go around and destroy every single existing copy of this. I'm pretty sure he has both of those now. But I think the internet has saved the Star Wars Holiday Special because you can't get it anywhere. It's not on DVD. You can't download it. No one wants you to see this, and they shouldn't because it is – I mean, it's next level crazy. I mean, it really is – It's garbage. It is not garbage.
4:39It's garbage. It is beautiful. I did watch this when it came out. I remember it. Well, to me, this is like the thing that's so crazy about it is it is your main characters are Wookiees who don't speak English and are not subtitled. The entire thing is in Wookiee, except for the people that come into the Wookiee's life who are all TV and like Broadway stars from like the 1950s. I mean, Art Carney. B. Arthur. Harvey Korman. Harvey Korman twice? Three times. Three times, right. Yeah, it's insane. So let's talk about that because if they were household names, it was only because of Star Wars. Were they doing this to stay in the good graces of Lucas for the next parts of the trilogy?
5:32How did this happen? Or were they getting paid? Were they getting paid a ton? Like how much money did CBS put into this? I mean, I don't imagine it was a lot because when you look at it, it looks terrible. Yeah. It looks like a soap opera. Yeah. Yeah. They didn't put it on the screen. Yeah. It's not there. And I feel like every character or every actor that was involved, like, seems like they were there begrudgingly. No one wanted to be here. For sure. And this special is summed up by the initial showings of the three stars. So you get right in sequence Luke, who's wearing strange amount of eyeliner.
6:06Yeah. You look like a little girl. I wrote down Mark Hamill, little girl. And then it cuts directly to Harrison Ford, who does a really reluctant nod to camera. And those things, I think, sum up this holiday special completely. You know what you're in for. And it seems to me like this connection to Chewbacca's family, if we just want to even talk about thematically, I don't think that, like, I don't know if Luke has the best relationship with Chewbacca's family. But he does in this. It's like everybody knows Mala, Itchy, and Lumpy. Yeah. And there's a certain point where they call Carrie Fisher, and she's like, look, I don't want to tie up the line.
6:44Can you just put Chewbacca on the phone? Which even get Carrie Fisher is like, I don't want to talk to Lumpy and Mala. Let's just get the main guy in. His name is Chewbacca. Okay, that I get. Why, why did he name his son Itchy? And is his father named Lumpy? I can answer this because I had the Wookiee storybook that went along with this. Oh, my God. So Itchy, Lumpy, and Mala are all nicknames. So they're really long, like Malawarump is her real name. Okay. It's like, it almost gets like. Do you feel like this was made retroactively after someone described it? It had to be to, to, uh, yeah, justify it.
7:24It had to be. There is something I noticed this time through right in the beginning when it cuts to the first ad that I think also may answer some questions about the, where the American public was. Oh yeah, please. The first ad is for General Motors and their slogan is, I wrote it down. transportation to serve people people building transportation to serve people that that is couldn't be more literal and there's nothing catchy about that and i think that these people making this probably are dealing with that public that would eat that up people building transportation to serve people that's just people building cars that doesn't mean doesn't mean your company's making anything good that's the one that's basically trying to explain like how did this car get here?
8:06Somebody made it. Don't worry. People built it. But it also goes to that there was no car competition. Like, foreign imports were just starting to happen because the original commercials are like every third commercial is a union commercial too. Well, yeah, because I remember I think on the copy that I watched for this, the commercial is like a guy like, I'm Ted Baker and I work, I make these cars. And he just talks about his day of making Fords. And he's like, I like the welding the most because it's a real art. Yeah. Okay, I actually want to know, though, how was the reception of it when it originally aired?
8:41Well, it only aired once. So that should tell you anything Christmas, it seems like it will air a million times. I mean, Lucas did buy every copy of it so no one can air it again. Wait, is that true-true or is that like? That is true-true. Lucas did buy every single copy. So yeah, the master copies. so it can never be broadcast. I want to just show the lackluster performance right off the top. This is Han and Chewie as they are kind of flying into life day. And you can just tell it was like one take only. I'm turning back. I know your family's waiting. I know it's an important day. All right, we'll give it a try.
9:27I'll set your coordinates. You won't jump, Bob. I'll get you back there in time, pal. Trust me. So that's a little bit of a Han. I'm going to light speed.
9:43The sound effects are actually louder than the actual dialogue. They're just going through the motions. And I just love, though, it grounds this world in a way that I don't want it grounded. It's like, I don't think of Chewbacca having a family, nor do I want Chewbacca to have a family, oddly. Right, yeah. Because it also implies that Han Solo is keeping him away for his family year after year, and he only gets to go home once a year. That's what I was thinking. I was like, is life day, is that the one time? Is it the one time he goes home? This also brought up a question for me in the new Star Wars movie.
10:15I won't spoil anything, but it does harken back to something to this, that Chewbacca can see his family. Well, Chewbacca's a bad dad. I mean, that's what I'm learning right away. And they all seem to love him. He's a deadbeat dad. He's a total deadbeat dad off fighting in the rebellion while his family is home getting terrorized by stormtroopers and imperial guards. But he's clearly sending a lot of money home because they have a nice house. I would live in that house. It's a very nice house. But I mean, but I will even take it one step back. He's barely in the, I want to say the Republic. I'm sorry.
10:48The rebellion. The rebellion. He's barely in the rebellion because he's just a smuggler. I mean, he gets caught up in the rebellion. Yeah, right. Good point. Yeah, so before this, Chewbacca's just hanging out with his buddy just shooting around the galaxy with a gun. Just like, he's a bad dude, a bad dad. Like, he only recently has really stepped it up. And also, I mean, the other thing, too, which is really insulting, I guess. But I guess they credit R2-D2 and C-3PO as R2-D2 and C-3PO. They do not call them by their actor names, even though there are people inside those suits. But yet, Darth Vader is James Earl Jones.
11:27Yeah, and Anthony Daniels did the voice. Yeah. What do you mean they credit? And that terrible opening credits, like, with Hans, you know, with R2-D2 and C-3PO. And then when Darth Vader came on, it was James Earl Jones. So interesting, even though James Earl Jones is technically not in the special, he was only in reused footage from the Star Wars movies. There's so much to talk about here They're in a nice mid-century modern house They are With felt There's a green What is the The floor is just felt Yeah well you know They're wookiees So they have soft feet already And they're just even They're just a creature Yeah they're walking carpets They don't really need much In the terms of carpets How high up are they And how do they actually get down Because a stormtrooper was killed By falling off Oh huge They straight up murder someone in this.
12:23They murder somebody in the worst fight of all time. Harrison Ford, like his choreographing of this fight is like, dodge to the left, dodge to the right. And the guy just literally just jumps over a ledge. Han Solo not giving a shit. Like he's like, yeah, I'm here. Then they walk inside and it's like, hey, that guy's not going to give us any trouble anymore because we killed him. It was a way for them to do a family-friendly kill because it was just a fake-out. It's not his fault he fell off the balcony. Yeah, Hansel just went a little bit to the left and a little bit to the right. He just zigzagged them.
12:57This whole special is really basically people watch or Wookiees watching TV. No shit. Yes, the whole thing. It almost seemed like every – it was just broken up into all these segments. They have so many devices to watch TV on. And it's like every one of those was just kind of killing time. This is the whole special. What are you stalling? Yeah, they really are just – they're just killing time for the next thing to happen. And they have more – like they have iPods. They have like TVs. They have iPads. There's not one device. They have a virtual reality porno? Yes. Wait. I mean before we even get into – because I have so much to say about that.
13:35Because I – I could just talk about that alone. Maybe we should just get to it. Yeah. Because to me that is the reason that a podcast like this should exist. and it wasn't like I was saying, how did this get made for this whole thing? I understood why the special got made, but that five minutes, how did that happen? It is the single most baffling moment of television history that I have ever seen. It's absolute insanity. According to the producer and director Mitzi Welch, the scene with Diane Carroll was intended to be soft core porno that would pass the censors. It's a joke, right? Like they knew what they were doing.
14:13I think they had to because it's like, let's take a listen to Diane Carroll. Just so if you've not seen the special, and I really would recommend that you watch like 15 hours of Thomas the Tank instead of this because it would be easier to get through. But take a listen. This is how Diane Carroll sounds. And you'll just a couple of seconds to get the idea. I know you're searching for me. Searching, searching. I am here. My voice is for you alone. I am found in your eyes only. I exist for you. I am in your mind as you create me. Oh, yes. I can feel my creation. I'm getting your message. Are you getting mine?
15:02So basically, Lumpy, the grandfather, is in a virtual reality headset. By the way, this show is very – I mean it's kind of like the Jules Verne of specials. Except that headset is made out of like a salon hairdryer. Yes. And he's – by the way, he's watching this porno in the middle of the living room. And he's gumming himself. Like his mouth is moving so uncomfortably. I have nothing – I did not understand what was happening. I thought I was watching – I watched half of it like before I went to sleep and then half of it in the morning. And I was pretty sure that I – that was like part of my dream going into it.
15:42How do you know what's real and what's not? It's so bizarre because, I mean, she's singing and performing from – not that it's unusual. But I also thought it was odd that Lumpy, the old grandfather, likes humanoids. Like he is – That was plenty weird. Yeah. Plenty. I thought that with the cooking show also, I was like, why? I don't know if I was really hung up on this. Why are these Wookiees watching a cooking show? Why isn't there a Wookiee? Why is there a human? Well, that's the thing about, like, all Star Wars to me that kind of gets me. Like, here's a planet full of Wookiees. So if you think of Earth as, like, the comparison.
16:22Like, even within our Earth, there are so many different subcultures. Here, they're just shipping it out to humanoids. They're like, you have a planet. And there's a line in here where Han Solo's like, ah, there's some traffic. We're going to land on the north side of the planet. That would be like me going like, oh, yeah, I got to get home to California. I'll land in China. We'll figure it out. There's no sense there that that would make it simpler to get home. The simple answer is they're like, well, we already know we really want to do 30 minutes of Wookiees just talking to each other with no subtitles.
16:55We should put some humans in there for something. No subtitles. And really the first, I would say 10 minutes doesn't even have 13. At least, yeah. Doesn't even have a human to tell you what's going on. It's just a wiki. No, I started to lose my mind. I was like, what's going on? What are we doing here? Is this what we're doing? Is this the whole thing? I mean, we're talking honestly about one of the most interesting specials of all time because not only is it a special where they don't speak English, it's a special where they got softcore porn in. But then it's also like trying to get in like a whole idea of like Nazism.
17:34I feel like the Nazi thing is big in this. Yeah, no kidding. It's bigger than in the films. Way bigger. It scared me. It actually scared me when they like, when they started, oh my God, when he tore apart the stuffed animal. Yeah. It actually frightened me. But there's something so disheartening. That's the part I remember from when I was a kid watching it was when they trash Itchy's room. I was like, I remember very powerfully being super upset and scared by that. Well, it was even scary for me to watch it now because it's like, why is this stormtrooper going into this kid's room to basically just break shit?
18:11Like, he's just destroying this kid's room. I definitely thought that there was gonna be, I thought there was like a buildup to the stuffed animal. Like, I thought he was gonna find something in it. Yeah, you would think, yeah. And he didn't! He just broke it for the hell of it. The thing that's more unsettling to me, though, is that you have Nazis, but then you have this 70s aesthetic. And so there's like an Imperial Guard Nazi with a whisk broom mustache that is so off-putting when he tears up Lumpy's room. Oh, God. Well, it's so weird because it's like they're trying to make so many statements and none of them work.
18:43Because the other thing is, too, like the whole premise is like they're waiting for Chewbacca to get back. And like the Imperial forces are like, where's Chewbacca? but it's not like he's hiding something, but they act as if they're hiding this seven foot tall, giant Wookiee. Like why would they need to break stuff in the, it's like, he's very apparent when he's around. And they also, when he does finally get back to them, they got to keep Chewbacca far away from them because his costume is so much better than their costumes that they cannot put them in the same shop. Like one looks like you've got it at a costume shop and one's like a Hollywood costume.
19:17I found the Itchy, the little boy costume, to be very unsettling. Isn't Itchy the grandfather and Lumpy's the kid? I thought Lumpy was the kid, but I don't know. Yeah, Itchy. Itchy's the old man, right? Yeah. Thank God. Got it. I agree and disagree about Lumpy being unsettling in the costume. I loved him so much. So much. He's my favorite character. He somehow manages to look like Gary Coleman in some way. I just want to know what was going on in that little kid's mind, too, because that kid, there's a child. It was a woman in there. Oh, it's a woman? And a man plays Mala. Weird. Really? Yeah.
19:54Oh, I did not know that. So is Chewbacca gay? That's a female Wookiee played by a male human. Got it. Got it. I also thought - That would be an amazing reveal. I would love a gay Chewbacca. No spoilers for Force Awakens, but maybe you'll get it. like this whole time he's just hoping for something with Han that's why he stays away from his wife for so long he's like I can't go back there I'm not myself I need to be out here his literal beard I wrote down this of one of the many things that they watched they watched Cirque du Soleil or a version of Cirque du Soleil and I wrote down bad Cirque du Soleil is good good Cirque du Soleil is great medium Cirque du Soleil is unwatchable and that's what this is.
20:44It's not quite Cirque du Soleil and it's so boring to watch. Who is this appealing to? Bruce Volant. I just want to make sure. This came out, this was only after the first one. Yes, 1978 it came out. So when I watched that Cirque du Soleil I wasn't quite, I'm not super familiar with All Star Wars so I was like, I know this chessboard thing. I've seen it that's what they do they have things on it like games whatever is this is the Cirque du Soleil thing is that something that happens like an app like another app you thought it was in the movie yes I was like was this is this just something that they weren't quite sure was gonna be part of the universe they were testing something out oh my god like the other things that they could do in the Millennium Falcon alright guys it's gonna take us a little time in our warp speed to get there so let's just let's just cue up the mummachance let's go Oh, my gosh.
21:39It's so weird. Everything about it. We can get into Art Carney. Art Carney. Oh, my God. Is he the creepy white guy? He is the creepy. The traitor Joe? The traitor, yeah, the traitor Joe, who was supposed to be Lando Calrissian. What? Apparently, Lucas came up with the idea for Lando as being this traitor who had an outpost on a Wookiee planet. And so this was, like we introduced Boba Fett later on, supposed to be the introduction of Lando Calrissian. Oh. Wow, I didn't know that. Was this also then? Was it the introduction of Boba Fett? Yes. Because he wasn't in the first one. He was not in the first one, yeah.
22:20And this was followed up by this, if you collected the action figures, you could send in proofs of purchase and get a Boba Fett before he came out in the movie. And then, of course, the big scandal where his rocket fired and apparently choked a child, so they recalled it. And you can't get the rocket-firing Boba Fett. I didn't know that he choked a kid. Well, that was the rumor. I think it was actually the Cylon toy that did it. But because of that, they recalled or I think never produced the actual firing one. And I remember getting it. Or this kid in kindergarten got it first. And he's like, it doesn't launch like they said.
22:51And I went, no, that's a lie. Give it to me. And I had to fully inspect it. Like, you're missing the button or something. It was gone. Well, I also like that Boba Fett, the action figure, can kill. like that's a great assassin if even your toy can kill a kid that's the one to be reckoned with sleep or cell well that seems weird to me though to introduce then this special was like weirdly really important yeah it could have been great it should have been great somebody involved with Star Wars should have been involved in it I guess I think they gave them like a lot of table scraps like yeah there'll be a Boba Fett and this Lando guy Now I'm just imagining if they went to Cloud City and it was Art Carney that greeted them when they landed the ship.
23:38Oh, my God. Get out of here, you old pirate. Art Carney, I feel like both Art Carney and Bea Arthur, I felt so bad for them because all of the Star Wars jargon and names felt so unnatural coming out of their mouths. Yeah. Like the scene where Bea Arthur is the cantina bartender and goes around begging every customer to leave. Oh, my God. Why wouldn't they leave also? Yeah. And yet I feel like Harvey Korman. She memorized all this nonsense. And I feel that Harvey Korman, on the other hand, fully committed to it and just went 100 % in. Basically, Harvey Korman's doing performance art. Because I would even argue that Harvey Korman's not even like, First of all, that cantina scene is part cabaret.
24:30It's all cabaret. All cabaret, which was so conflicting for me as a child going, I know this is Star Wars and I'm drawn to it, but I can't stand this because I hated musical numbers as a kid. Well, I mean, again, you kind of see all the influences. It's all bad. But Harvey Korman comes in as this love-lorn guy who drinks out of a thing in his head. Yeah, he still has a mouth. He still has a mouth. Still fully humanoid, but he just pours drinks in his head. And he comes in as this, like, lovelorn guy who wants to, like, be with Bea Arthur. And again, I'm thinking, for what child is this, like, this sad, like, romantic, like, this drunk coming and going to the bartender?
25:09Like, I love you. I love you. Let's be together. So sad. I think because the writers were all seasoned variety show writers. So they went, let's plug in the old guy at the bar sketch in here and just get it done. We got to kill two hours. To me, Harvey Korn here. It feels, everything, it feels like an old-fashioned, it doesn't feel at all modern or current. It feels old-fashioned like an old variety show in that way. And those are all the games they're playing with all the appropriate actors. But it wasn't funny. No, it had no joy to it. It was almost melancholy. The whole special is upsettingly sad.
25:50It's like, all right, a family's being tortured. This woman is being like her, like everybody who owns a store is being like shut down by these Nazis. And like, you know, like, and no one's, there's no joy. And even in the end, when they finally get to Life Day, it seems like a somber holiday as well. They take the cantina theme, which is the happiest music in Star Wars, maybe next to that Ewok song. Yeah. Turn it into some kind of minor key cabaret dirge. And it's incredible. and and then they're just like you know the the the most eisley cantina which is very like weirdly described why they're even watching uh and they're like no you'll watch a live feed from another planet like so all right so are we watching like a webcam inside most eisley cantina that's being broadcast right on like satellite television like i don't even understand how we're getting there like and but again why would we yeah why would you like they say that like most eisley is like the hive of scum and villainy.
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26:48Like, it would be like, you would never. Like Tander and Ebb. Yeah, you would never put a webcam there to broadcast across the universe. Well, I guess because they were trying to somehow, like, get them in trouble because then they got shut down. And a lot of the whole thing kind of doesn't have a point, obviously. But actually, what was the point of having that there? Why did we? Not killing time. There were so many instances where I literally said out loud, Take your time, holiday special, take your time. It's a two-hour special that could probably have been really good at like a 30-minute special.
27:20Okay, wait. A great 30 minutes. I had a question also. I really didn't understand. For the cartoon part, what, like, was this fiction? Or what was he watching? I had the same problem because Lumpy or, yeah, Lumpy or the kid is watching his dad in a cartoon. So that's weird and he seems affected by it. So I don't know if Chewbacca has commissioned a buddy who's an animator to show him his adventures. But he literally is freaked out. Oh, my dad's in trouble. In some ways, this is so David Lynch-y in an absurdly brilliant way. Who, by the way, was the original choice for Return of the Jedi director.
28:01Oh, really? He turned it down. That would have been great. I know. And then made Dune. well what you know return of the jedi was supposed to be on a whole planet full of wookies but then they simplified it and made it ewoks but i think uh for maybe marketing purposes i'm sure somebody jw renzler can get in here and describe that to why that happened but uh this was the original conception like oh my gosh it's so it's so bizarre because that makes no sense at all while he's watching his dad and if they did want to watch his dad i could get them going like oh that's why they're delayed maybe that's why they're delayed but we see in the very beginning that they're not delayed because they're just kind of just yeah fighting they're just randomly just fighting do you think that was the cartoon made as a way of like championing these great figures of the rebellion oh i think you guys are giving it too much thought like i don't think that thought was put in there i think it was seriously we have this cartoon to market this action figure Find a way to fit it in.
29:08And just know that I'm not going to check up on this, so do it however you want. My name is George Lucas. You know, we did actually – our guy, Blake Harris, is writing a very good oral history. You can check it out on Slash Film. If you're bored here on Christmas and you're listening to this on Christmas, head on over to Slash Film and read the oral history of this. Because actually the director of this special was the guy who directed the Elvis comeback special. Oh, my God. Yeah, so he has like some real chops, but here none of them are on display at all. But they made a drama, a drama holiday special for children.
29:45This really was intended. A Star Wars Holocaust special. Imagine if Anne Frank was with Wookiees and you would get the Life Day special. Can we talk about Princess Leia for a second? Oh my gosh, yes. When they call her on the screen and she gets up from her desk, which she's no doubt sitting behind because she doesn't want to stand up just physically. She gets and walks towards the camera, has to sort of lean on the desk a little bit to make it the full way. She does that thing that actors do when they don't know their lines and they take a very like meaningful breath. And she would pause between each of her lines while she would think of her line.
30:25And then her – I rewound it. Did you guys catch this? Her line, I think, is I don't want to tie up the channels. But she says I don't want to tie her up the channels. Like that, by the way, I want to even talk about how they even get her on the view screen. They get her on the view screen. The view screen is like X's and O's. Like literally like just like XXOOXXX. Okay, we got the transmission. Like they didn't even try to do anything like weird alien languages. X's and O's. This is like – this is not even a first draft. This is like a draft where people pulled pages out of a garbage can. It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that one.
31:03Oh, this is a show that features a full-length cooking segment about how to make bantha. Yes. That is step-by-step an actual cooking program. Bantha loin. And I was going to say with that cooking program, there's no real joke in this thing besides the fact that the guy has multiple arms. And if you took that away, it's just a cooking segment that Harvey Korman's really committing. Just a very boring, boring cooking segment. But it's manic. I wasn't super bored. I was mostly confused, but I was compelled. Yeah. Because it was like, spin, spin, spin, spin, spin, spin, spin, spin, spin, spin, spin, spin.
31:43And then other hands came in. Wait, let's even play a little bit of Harvey Korman saying spin, spin, whip, whip, whip, whip. So, and on the count of once. Stir, whip, stir, whip, whip, whip, stir. Stir, whip, stir, whip, whip, whip, stir. Come on, faster, all together now. Cooking can spark. Stir, whip, stir, whip, whip, whip, stir. Stir, whip, stir, whip, whip, whip, stir. Wah! Having fun, having fun. All right? Coming along nicely. Now, step three. Be awesome. That is for kids. Enjoy it, kids. He has in his voice the fear of a man who knows this is not funny and just will not stop for fear of hearing the silence.
32:20I feel like he went home every night and wept. He has to say having fun, having fun, just to tell you that they're having fun. Well, isn't it known, I remember this from the Howard Stern interview with Carol Burnett, that Harvey Korman was kind of like a jerky diva at certain points, and he left the Carol Burnett show and was always an asshole to people. He was the Chevy Chase of Carol Burnett. Exactly. So I feel like this was his chance to be like, you know what? I got asked to do the Star Wars Holiday Special. I don't need you Carol Burnett writers. I'm going to go off and do my own thing. And then left to his own devices.
32:56This is what Harvey Korman did. And I'm sure they gave him a 100 % creative license to do whatever. Because he does seem into it. He is, out of everyone, is not phoning it in at all. I think he understands that Star Wars is now a phenomenon where maybe some of those other people don't. What did they tell Diane Carroll? Like, we're going to have you sensually talk to the camera right now. I want to know what they told her more than I want to know who killed Kennedy. How that went down that day on the set, I would pay no amount of money for. Well, you know, here's an interesting thing, too, just for those people out there wondering.
33:34This is canon. Star Wars Holiday Special. Like, if you exist, it exists in a world. Like, everything in the Star Wars universe, there are, like, things that are canon, things that are not. So a lot of the books have now been excised. That's not canon. But this is in the world. So technically, if you were to build something, you can reference that this all happened. I think Lucas is just not kicking it out of canon because he didn't ever want to admit it was in canon. The minute he kicks it out of canon, that will legitimize it. Right. So by not mentioning it. Yeah, this is, I mean, oh, my gosh.
34:08There is, I just, I'm so curious why Lucas refused to, I mean, that's a bold move. And that's like a 70s move too. He'd be like, no, they'll speak in Wookiee, and that's that. America's got to get with the program. Like, that is not fun for anyone. Because we're really just watching a family waiting. It's like a Truman show with Wookiees, but the boring parts of Truman's show. No, it's waiting for Godot is what it is. It is. It really is. It is. I also want to talk about Art Carney's code. So he's in front of the Imperial troopers. Oh, yeah. And his code language for, like, what Chewbacca is, like, I hope you – I got that large furry package in for you, but it might be delayed.
34:59Like, it's like everyone knows what he's talking about. This trooper should be a little bit quicker on the update. And also I'm pretty sure he said something about – he said something by hand. Made by hand solo. Oh, right. That was the bad code. Yeah. You could say she made it by hand. Sola. Yeah, so I guess he just runs a little shop. He's a trader and family friend. It takes a village. Now, they call it Kazook. When the Imperial Guards come in, he says, I just thought I'd show you some of the stupid stuff Wookiees purchased from me anyway. I guess some of the interesting things that Wookiees purchase are miniature fish tanks.
35:42Sure. It was so like, and I guess that's a joke. Like, hey, look, it's a miniature fish tank that you can keep in your pocket. But do Wookiees have pockets? Guys, do Wookiees have pockets? Like versupil pouches? Yeah, like kangaroos. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was actually thinking, what if - I've never seen them. I've never seen them pull anything out of their pockets. What if Chewbacca's like bandolier is just full of miniature fish tanks? Like, I thought it was bullets. It's just miniature fish tanks in there. from every Life Day he has. Oh, thank you for the, oh, he likes the miniature fish tank.
36:18I was also a little confused about then, like the, what is it, ubiquity? Like the comment, like this is just, Life Day is just a Wookiee holiday. I imagine so, yes. But everyone respects this. Everyone is like, this is a big deal. Yeah, we know. For Chewie, yeah. Well, I feel like Chewie's probably always talking about Life Day, his Life Day memories. Right, right. But yeah, they always are like, I guess they're like, I guess in the middle of the rebellion, Chewbacca's like, hey, guys, I'd love to kind of do the Death Star stuff or whatever, but I got to make it home. Can I take a holiday weekend?
36:52Chewie's leaving the rebellion. It seems like Luke's working on his TIE fighter. Princess Leia's doing something else. And by the way, Luke seems, I don't know, Luke working on that TIE fighter. I had a lot of questions about that, too. I just want to know where, and I guess this was for Leia also, where they all look like, you know when you're in line for Disneyland and Patrick Warburton comes on and tells you he's in that room or something, working on a fake plane or something and talks to you? That's the kind of room that it felt like that Luke was in. Where were they? It's one shot, no close-ups.
37:26They literally walked them in, gave them their costume, and got eyeliner on Mark Hamill. For sure. And they said, let's go. Like Mark Hamill looks younger in this than he does in Star Wars. How is that possible he does? And this is, I guess, before the car accident where he got the scar on his face from that then is now part of like the world of Star Wars. But it's like that it was crazy to see how young he looked. And also, you're right. It is like that Aerosmith rock and roll roller coaster. Hey, you guys are here. Jump on board, man. You can come for our show, too. You Wookies.
38:03And there's no resolution to the blockade The whole threat of the whole episode Is like oh there's a blockade around Kashyyyk Or Kazook That's referenced here And then like they get there and Han's like It's a little traffic, we'll go around Like they don't fight They don't do anything Oh is that all it was? Or were there also people after them though? They were looking for rebels right? Yeah but then they say that they put a blockade Around the planet and that I guess would be the blockade that they just kind of just go oh we'll just go here we'll turn down this block instead it's almost as if they didn't put a lot of thought into this thing or they were on all of the drugs yeah how weird was it when Art Carney arrived at the house at Chewbacca's house and like made Mala give him a kiss yes and a little kid there's so much Wookiee human crossover He was like really pushy about getting a kiss from Mala, which I thought was real creepy.
39:02That's a real Lando move. Yeah. He wanted, yeah, he was all up in Leah's junk too. That's true, yeah. And then Jefferson Starship. We should talk about that. Oh, my God. Oh, boy. I felt so stupid. I was like, this is, I know this is a famous band. Who is this? How did they get this? Why? Why? Why? Jefferson Starship in this, I mean, yeah, it's like, who were they? I mean, they got out easy. I mean, I think Diane Carroll and Jefferson Starship got out easy. Because they just had to do what they do. Yeah, they just put on costumes. I'm pretty sure, though, I couldn't tell. Did they have them singing?
39:35Was the microphone, did they try to make it look like a lightsaber? Yeah, it was all glowing. All their instruments were glowing. Do you think that they were chosen solely because their name was Starship for this? Oh, I bet you. I didn't even realize that. It led me to think, too, that when they went from Jefferson Airplane to Starship, that is the coolest band reboot name I've ever heard of. I didn't even realize that. That's crazy. Yeah, Jefferson Mirror played the Jefferson Starship. Yeah, they lost Gray Slick and went like, we're going to the stratosphere. You know how we can top losing the whole draw of this band?
40:05We're going to space. So crazy. Oh, my God. Yeah, Jefferson Starship just performs, again, in one of the many points of this show where someone watches entertainment. We have someone watching a circus. We have someone watching VR porn. We have someone watching Jefferson Starship. We have a lot of cartoons. Oh, and in the cartoon, it's voiced over by this guy. Now, in Star Trek, it's like Captain's Log, Stardate so-and-so. In this, there's another guy that's like Rebel Log. And it's like, who is this guy that's narrating this? Wouldn't it be like Chewbacca or like Luke Skywalker's log? I don't know, but there's so much watching of TV in this show that it leads me to believe someone's watching me watch this every time I watch it.
40:53I have to say that while Harrison Ford must have been bummed because his character is most closely connected to the character they based the entire special around, which means he has to be in it more than anyone. He does sell it at certain points. He does, yeah. When he looks at Chewie real lovingly, he's like, you're like family to me. And then they all say how they can't make Life Day, but then they're all there at the end at Life Day. And Chewbacca's in his red smock, which I think is amazing. Wait, like the robe. The robe. I'm sorry, yeah, the robe, yeah. Just making sure that those were so weird.
41:30So I think it was only to cover up the fact they didn't have enough costumes for the rest of these people because you don't even see the other Wookiees. You just see red things. And I don't understand what Life Day is. Like Life Day, they hold an orb in their hand, then they're transported away, but then they're back. But yeah, they walk through outer space. They walk into a sun or something? Is it like ayahuasca? No, but then they're around like a big giant tree base, but they're in space. Guys, I think they might be on Pandora. Oh, my God. When Leia sings at the end, Han and Luke have looks on their face that remind me of when my family holds hands and pray at Christmas, where you feel like, is someone watching me right now?
42:16I've got to be respectful, but it's so uncomfortable. Well, there's something also interesting in here right before they start to sing. Like C-3PO and R2-D2 drop a very big bomb on everyone in the Star Wars world where they basically say, like, I wish we were human so we had feelings. And could be credited as humans in the credits. Yeah. And then so you understand that they are not human. And then Leah sings. I want to just play a little bit of Leah's Life Day song. So we'll hear a little bit of R2-D2 and C-3PO lamenting their non-sentient being. It is indeed true that at times like this, Arthur and I wish that we were more than just mechanical beings.
42:55And we're really alive, so that we could share your feelings with you. Chewbacca! Chewbacca, we were so relieved to hear you were all right.
43:08All of you are an important part of my life, pal. I'm glad I could be here.
43:14This holiday is yours. but we all share with you the hope that this day brings us closer to freedom and to harmony and to peace no matter how different we appear we're all the same in our struggle against the powers of evil and darkness i hope that this day will always be a day of joy in which we can reconfirm our dedication and our courage and more than anything else our love for one another here you go this is the promise of the tree of life this is what it is just do a couple seconds of this
43:51To the tune of Star Wars Oh, you're right It is
44:01Essentially
44:07And now I'm further confused Because they all join up there They're all meeting up on Kashyyyk to have a life day party. It doesn't seem like it's for them. It seems like this is purely a Wookiee thing. And yet she's saying how this is like galvanizing the forces of the rebels. But it's not. I don't get it. It seems like it's Christmas, right? It's supposed to be like Christmas. Yes. It shouldn't be like a. It was weird, weird moral preachy just like stuck on there. Why? The song at the end is like, nothing about this would be fun. Nothing about it is fun. This is like a somber side story of the Star Wars world.
44:51Even at the end of Star Wars. And it's all Wookiees. All Wookiees. They're the only non-Wookiees there. I feel like, why does Chewbacca get to bring friends? Yeah. Well, again, I feel like Chewbacca's the outcast of the Wookiee planet. It's like, first of all, you're fucking deadbeat dead. Then you bring all your friends over to her life day? Come on, man. And your friends take over our celebration and make speeches. Yeah. Why is Leah singing at the Wookiee celebration? I was like, if you're like, I get it if it's like, okay, oh, we want to like, because we don't want to end it. Like we want it to be English.
45:25But they didn't care about that for all the rest of the movie. So why wouldn't they have, like, get the credit. Get Chewie to make the big speech. And by the way, I would have been very excited at the end of like Return of the Jedi. where they had the yub nub song. Like, that's all not English, and that's Ewok singing. Like, let's have something like that that seems like a celebration song. But nope, it's like, let's give this old, not old, let's give this white lady a chance to sing. I just feel like she's not an entertainer. She's a princess and a rebel leader. She's not known for her singing prowess.
45:57Ah, but Carrie Fisher. No, that's Bea Arthur. Yeah. I really did. Bea Arthur gets to sing her song, and that's really where it's at. Oh, my God. B. Arthur, like, you know, they have to fill up that cantina full of shit, like all these different creatures. And the laziest version is that giant rat on the side. Oh, yeah. It's like, yeah, and a big rat. She'll talk to a big fucking rat. Then, B, you're going to go from this guy here, and you're going to go and you're going to sit next to the big rat, and then you're going to sing this part. Like, the blocking of that alone must have made her want to kill herself.
46:34Shot in like one day Probably the worst one day Terrible craft service They're just sitting there miserable Bea Arthur only agreed to do it She never saw Star Wars either But her grandkid or something was a big fan of it So that's why she jumped in And apparently the Cantina Day Was an entire day But the actors in the alien costumes Began to pass out due to lack of oxygen So there were oxygen tanks on set Because of that Does it say where this was shot? Like this could have been, it probably was like, or CBS Radford or, or that television city. I think at the end it did say something about, I, I, I should have read, but like shot at like Burbank.
47:14Of course. Every variety show ever made was shot in Burbank. I'm certain of that. That's amazing. There, uh, so close to us. That all happened so close to us. That should be a memorial or some kind of plaque or something. But could you imagine doing the force awakens special now? What would be the one-to-one ratio? I don't know what it would be. It would be like two broke girls come in. They work in a Jakku diner or something like that. Absolutely. Ava Longoria. Two broke girls are too young. Oh, you're right. It would have to be like... They're too young. It would have to be like... Ed O 'Neill.
47:53Like Doris Roberts and Ed O 'Neill. Yeah. You know, the producers turned down Robin Williams from being in the special. CBS didn't like him, so they turned him down. So Robin Williams could have been in the Star Wars Holiday Special. Would he have been the Harvey Korman part? I imagine he had to have been the Harvey Korman part. Yeah, and was Mork and Mindy wasn't on yet at this point, right? 78, was it? I feel like he might have. No, probably not. Yeah, they would have loved to have had him if he was. Oh, yeah. Yes, I mean, that would have been great. just to see Doris Roberts doing a song at like whatever that character, the Maz character's cantina in The Force Awakens.
48:35Did we talk about the instructional video? Oh, no. That was another Harvey Korman performance art piece. This is like, what is going on here? Now that I actually liked. It was so absurd and almost in a Tim and Eric way, whether they meant it or not. Yeah, I was riveted by that and I don't know exactly why. So the child's computer equipment is broken, and he's going to repair it. So he puts on an instructional video to show him how to repair his laptop. And it's Harvey Korman yet again as another character. This one is like a – I mean, you guys can describe it. A robot, yeah. But did they do that after the fact where they just went, well, we didn't have any jokes in the first place, and he didn't really do anything.
49:15Let's tweak with the editing. Was that always planned? Again, I don't even understand the logic behind it because the idea would be like this is an instructional video. So why would they even release it if the robot malfunctioned unless the robot only comes alive when they're doing it? Like there's not even a logic there. Well, I thought it was the playback that was malfunctioning. But don't trust me on that. It was like skipping and jumping. Oh, but I thought that Harvey Korman was also falling down at certain points too because he was – Good question. You know what? I think you're right. I think it was after the fact because there was no – not that people were reacting appropriately or the Wookiees were reacting appropriately.
49:52But, like, there was no acknowledgment that it was, like – there was no, like – like, Lumpy was like, oh, no. Like, it's messing up. It's just totally, totally normal. So after the fact, they were like, we've got to make it interesting. We got – I mean, and they really did make – like, that wouldn't be amazing if that was, like, one of Tim and Eric's, like, editors' grandfathers worked on this. Or they're like, we have to make this funny or this special isn't going to work because everything else is right in the pocket. We nailed it. This is the one thing. They also reuse footage from Star Wars a handful of times to a degree.
50:29Yeah, okay. I am watching it right now. Harvey Korman falls down. So it's not playback. He literally falls and his head hits the table and he's like, he's malfunctioning. He's shorting out. That's crazy. Why not just put him in the room with them and then you have a funny robot performance? I guess no one was going to get on that Wookiee set. Yeah. It was only broadcast once. We talked about that. Anything else that we may have missed that I know that there's so much to talk about? But, oh, this is an issue that I always have. Mala is making Wookiee Oookies, which are Wookiee Cookies. But that's an issue that I have because we don't call them, like, human Oookies.
51:12Like, I don't understand. Yeah, a cookie's a cookie's a cookie. Exactly. They don't have to have, like, the name of the species before it. You wouldn't call them. Yeah, like, yeah, they were called Wookiee Wookiees. Yeah. He's like, are you making some of those Wookiee Wookiees for me? We're making some human ramen over here. I did feel like Art Carney would have fucked Mala. Well, it makes it sound like they're made of Wookiees. Maybe they're cannibals. Which would make Wookiees cannibals. I do want to go back to, do you think that Art Carney did have an affair with Mala? Could that have happened?
51:42Because of the way he wanted to kiss her and blame her for, you know, I mean, A, because Chewbacca's gone. But also, Art Carney, what a catch. And then when Chewbacca gets back, the sexual chemistry that is between, the sexual tension between him and Mala is palpable. Why didn't they actually kiss? It almost happened and then they hugged. I wanted to see that Wookiee kiss so bad. I don't think their mouths can do that. Yeah, yeah. There's no way. Again, I feel like I want to get into, I want to go deep into Chewbacca's life, couples therapy, why Mala's upset with him. Like, what is going on? I feel like maybe that was a little bit of the intention.
52:20Like, if it went over well, maybe they would have made, like, a TV series off of it. Oh, I think you're probably right. Oh, I mean, I feel like they did make these Ewok specials eventually, like, later on, which we were going to maybe focus on, but they're just actually too boring. But this, and this at least is a train wreck. But, yeah, like, I mean, I think that, like, imagine if Lucas directed the second one. This is what he wanted. He wanted to focus on Wookiees like this. Like, The Empire Strikes Back could have had a giant chunk of just Wookiee. Just boring Wookiee. Takes the most interesting character, the most, like, beast-like character, and just, like, makes him the most domestic.
52:59There's an oven in there. They have, like, a nice oven and furniture. There's nothing Wookiee about it. It's just nice. It's like, wouldn't you like to see what the equivalent of a Wookiee chair is? The only difference between a Wookiee and a human family is that they don't speak English and most of their house is made of wood. That's the only difference. Which you could say for a lot of Italians.
53:22Wow. Really going hard at Italians. Again. I mean, or anyone who, like, where is Ikea from? Don't try and backtrack on this now. No, they're not notoriously hairy. You have to stay Mediterranean to make this work. What else? Anything else that you saw that were worth bringing up? I was just going to say that the part that I really did get emotional when Lumpy, when he's putting back together this stuffed animal, I really, I felt for him. And all of the inserts, they had just like random inserts really close up of a lot of their faces. and like the ones at the end of Mala like almost crying were so – they were like – I was like, oh.
54:05And then I couldn't – I like burst out laughing because they were so absurd. I got emotional when he had to clean his room because they showed the entire process and it just brought me back to when I had to clean my room. I don't know if it's like being a new dad on some level, but I do get emotional with like things with like sons and dads. It did get a little bit like there was a moment. I was like, oh, I'm feeling this. Because it was. It was like you don't want to see a kid get beat up and tortured and treated poorly by this stupid appearance. Oh, my God. That's amazing. I really just – the thing that I want to remind everybody of is that in the middle of all of this, they murder a stormtrooper.
54:43Yeah. And – And everybody appears to be unfazed. and when he goes when they're like where is the where is he he lies and says that he was robbed and that then he whatever he fled but so incriminating himself the guy they will so quickly find out no she was thrown off of this thing for all of the distrust that the Empire has throughout this entire special in that one sentence they're like okay good enough for me let's wrap this up you got it buddy Makes sense that our stormtrooper just defected out of no reason on Kashyyyk, like in this Wookiee planet where he'll stick out like a sore thumb. I guess that guy robbed a bunch of Wookiees and took off for the forest because that's what stormtroopers do.
55:34Oh, there's two things I didn't even talk about. First of all, I just briefly just want to mention the long antenna on like, I guess, you know, one of the Imperial soldiers has like an antenna that is, I would say like three feet. Yeah, CV antenna. Yeah, CV antenna, which I loved. Just like the technology should be a little bit more advanced than that. We're flying spaceships around. I mean, they have pocket aquariums for Christ's sake. Yeah, and we're calling up Leah across the galaxy. We're getting a live stream to Mos Eisley's. We don't need this long antenna here anymore. And then the other thing that I want to talk about is, so at the end, Chewbacca and Han get there.
56:10They kill a stormtrooper, and Chewbacca's kid jumps into whose arms first? Han. Solo, that's right. The kid jumps in, like, again, proving Chewbacca's a bad dad. The first person he goes to. Man, that's only something a new dad would notice. That is the takeaway from the special. Chewbacca is a bad dad. He's a bad dad. That is now canon. Yes. Obviously, that was our opinion about the film. But there are other people out there with another opinion. It is now time for Second Opinions.
56:46Make no mistake, this movie blows. And we have now reached the best part of the show. Paul Scheer and the gang, they had their say. But there are people out there that feel a different way. Let's check out these five-star reviews. Close to Amazon, we'll try to figure out what is going on. Damn. Okay. When I watched this when I was a young kid, I loved it because it was a Star Wars show. I wasn't a critic. Now that I'm older, I suspect this was created by people under the influence of drug culture in the 70s. Using Star Wars characters to tell a story. If you can see and accept this, this show is very good.
57:34Entertaining, creative, in its own way, unique. Leonard Maltin. Five stars. Well, I guess, yeah, if you accept drug culture in the 70s, then that works. I'd maybe agree with that, sort of. I think that they did weird shit here. I mean, it definitely, like, no one's really into it in the five-star reviews. They're probably all enjoying it ironically. Yeah. Yeah. This one, like, the Star Wars Holiday Special is sadly a forgotten classic. The epic storyline is primarily concerned with Chewbacca trying to make it home in time for Life Day. But at its core, the film is a metaphor for the common man's attempt to make the world better for his family in the face of corrupt and uncaring people.
58:12Parallels to 1984 are envisioned by the Empire occupying their house and manhandling their property. This classic also allows us insight into the supposedly gruff character of Han Solo, who reveals his tender side and his relations with Chewbacca and Chewbacca's family. His crying when Princess Leia sings the lyrics to Star Wars main theme. Oh, wow. Five stars. I didn't realize that that would be like, that's the lyrics to the main theme. Yeah. I didn't know that. This is written by like an Ayn Rand reader, that one, where it's like the tyranny in 1984. That is like a tea party person. Yeah. People liked it.
58:47People liked this. Would you guys recommend watching this at all? Oh, yes. 100%. Over a week at least. Especially right now. Yeah. Right now it's a good chance because it's the holiday season. Watch it right before or after seeing The Force Awakens, too, just to see when what happens in that movie happens. it's good to reflect on. It really is good to remember the important things here. And we didn't talk about, I think, the best part, which was the cartoon. Yeah, good. I actually, I really, I enjoyed it. I also, I mean, there was no point they didn't get, it was like, oh, whoa, like, Boba Fett wasn't on our side.
59:23Yeah. And then nothing happened. It's solely to get the action figure marketed. It's so crazy. Like, every resolution here is so quick. It's like, Boba Fett's like, oops, see you later, suckers. and he just like shoots out. It's like, this is like a world-class assassin. He could have just gotten into a gunfight or anything. Like they basically like, we know you're a bad guy. It's like, bye-bye. Yeah, he could have killed him at any time. Yeah, yeah. Like Boba Fett is a bad bounty hunter. But yeah, but it looks cool. And like, I almost would have preferred if the whole holiday special were these like little vignettes.
59:54Like these like cool little, because that was like a cool adventure. So obviously you couldn't shoot Star Wars. So why don't you just do them as cartoons? It had that animation style, like heavy metal or like the creep show interstitials where the people always are – they're always moving. Yeah. It has that strange 70s, I don't know, like punk rock animation or something. It's really cool. I also – I really enjoyed the way Harrison Ford was drawn. Oh, yeah. It was so weird. He had like little tiny – they almost drew him like he was like high the whole time. I wish like – like, you know, it's so funny like Harrison Ford I think had so many issues with the Return of the Jedi.
1:00:31But I feel like this is back in the day where you could get your main cast of the biggest blockbuster of all time to do a TV variety special. Oh, yeah. There is nothing else like that. You will never see this again. Like, you could never even get the Lord of the Rings, like, Elf and Feast special. You would never see these characters out and about. Like, people have a hard time getting characters to do video game voices. like yet alone come on and act in like a multi-cam production of their own shit the closest analog to this is they'll go on like a jimmy fallon and do a star wars sketch or something like that or like daniel craig did one for specter and that's the best you'll get out of them yeah and even you'll get now i get i think what you get more is like daniel craig has to do like a heineken ad yeah right or a funnier dive you know which i feel like has the same level of embarrassment.
1:01:25That's right, yeah. Oh my gosh. Well, we'll never know what Life Day is officially. When? Do we know when it is exactly? I mean, look, it's a... It's Christmas, I think. Is it like in the Star Wars universe is the calendar the same as ours? I mean, it literally can't be because ours is, what, a lunar calendar based on our sun? Yeah, so they don't have that. We know that it's not winter on Kashyyyk or maybe, again, that's my issue with these planets. It could be winter somewhere. That's good to be. He could live He could live in the Miami version of the Wookiee planet. We don't know if it's winter.
1:01:59They didn't seem to have any decorations up for it. But if we've learned anything from Star Wars planets, it's one terrain per planet. All snow, all desert. It's so bizarre. That's the laziness of Star Wars. It's like one. Yeah. Yeah. It would be so cool if Star Wars was on one planet. That would make a lot of sense. Like, oh, different islands. Oh, different continents. Yeah, yeah. Nope. Just all different planets. This is the island planet. This is the desert planet. This is the floating planet. Well, that was the Star Wars Holiday Special. We are glad that you guys bared with it with us. I mean, I'm glad I watched the whole thing.
1:02:36And it's unique. You'll never make anything this wrong and this off ever again. It has a certain beauty. I can't wait to show this to my child as the first introduction to Star Wars. This is what everybody loves. And thank you to everybody for listening. Also, a big thank you to Averill Halley, who does all of our clip pulling. She has an amazing site called Movie Bitches. Also, a big shout out to Nate Kiley, Marissa Zeitz, Cody Scully, everybody here at Earwolf for making this show. And we thank you and wish you a very happy Life Day or whatever holiday you celebrate. See you in the new year.
1:03:14Bye-bye.
From the publisher
Celebrate Life Day with Paul, Jason, and special guests Matt Gourley (Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend) and Eden Sher (The Middle) as they discuss the infamous 1978 CBS TV film The Star Wars Holiday Special. They talk about Chewbacca being a bad father, the Diahann Carroll virtual reality porn, Harvey Korman being truly committed in all of his “comedic bits,” and so much more. Happy Life Day from HDTGM! (Ep. #126 Originally Released 12/25/2015)
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