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22:06Jason Mantzoukas:I want to just like there are so many things in here that are crazy to me. Like, obviously, the real issue is, you know, Josh Brolin falls in love with a girl who is the sister of a guy in the rival gang. Now, the Daggers seem like a gang. The ramp locals seem like skate kids. And I want to be clear, they seem like a 50s, like a grease gang. They are like a greaser gang. The only difference between them being like a greaser gang is that they pose for pictures. They take a gang picture around a ramp. That is one of my favorite. Like, hey, everybody get in here. Get in here. We're taking our gang picture.

22:46I mean, listen, they do light a ramp on fire.

22:50Jason Mantzoukas:Yep. Yeah. They are violent. I mean, they are violent. They are the daggers. Oh, yeah. They live in a house. First of all, his sister is acting like she's not living in a flop house. I mean, the Daggers main house has daggers painted on cupboard doors. That house is a crack den. And she's living it like, I just got back from the mall. Everything's good. I'm like, wait, wait, no, you are living. She's like a real living, a real kind of like, Sherilyn Fenn. there's a group of like, uh, daggers hangers on led by Sherilyn Fenn, who's dating the head of the daggers, the brother of, uh, of the main girl who's now falling in love with Josh Brolin's character.

23:30And they all, the daggers and their girls, especially for the joust are all doing crazy face makeup all the time. They got scarred or something like that. Right. It's a little so weird about that makeup. Cause I was thinking about that too, Jason. It doesn't really line up with the rest of the vibe. No, they're dressed like punk rockers, but they're wearing almost goth makeup. It's very strange. I mean, at one point, Velvet cuts a lock of her hair and makes it into an earring for our main guy. And I'm like... Who was organizing this and being like, so this is how we're going to... And in this scene, you'll cut some of your hair and you'll turn it into an earring, just like we researched it, just like these kids do.

24:18Jason Mantzoukas:What? I mean, I want to play this clip. Like, this is an insane moment. Like, this character, the head of the daggers, who is so kind of brutal and mean and tough, is like, What do you think? Should I wear this skull and the dagger or the hoop and the dagger? Nah, just wear the dagger and a bone for your nose. Don't be a smartass. It's important to me. Hey, I take my jewelry seriously. Like, I'm just being serious. He wants to know, like, what should I wear? A bone, a hoop, or a dagger? He also is like, he really, to your point earlier, he really wants to make sure his little sister gets in the gang picture.

24:58Yes. Like, I don't think she's really even part of the gang. She wears, like, bright colors. And I don't know how she's keeping those clothes so pressed. Yeah. And clean. She brought a steamer. Maybe she brought a portable steamer. You don't leave home without it, Paul.

25:16Jason Mantzoukas:No, I can't. I love it. I mean, it's a great thing to have. Listen, West Side Story, the brother-sister dynamic here felt very off to me. Yeah. It didn't feel like above board. His energy toward her was not, I'm an overprotective brother. It was, I'm your abusive boyfriend. Very much. I agree very much. And it wasn't helped by the fact that, for reasons I can't quite understand, everybody seems the same age. You know, there does not seem to be an older, younger contingent. No, he kept on saying, ah, you guys know what it's like, kid sister. Where's the kid? He's a brother daddy. And daddy is also a little creepy.

26:08It's because it's he. But she seems like the more mature older one, which is also fucking with my sense of who's who. Yeah. It's like, I know it's a man woman scene, but what within that are these two people to each other? See, here's the thing. I feel like, not to overcomplicate it, I feel like I'm looking at this boy girl scene and they're acting like it's a man woman scene. And I'm like, I don't know. I don't I can't make heads or tails out of it.

26:32Jason Mantzoukas:I just kept on laughing because I knew it wasn't this person, but I kept on picturing the brother as a young Hank Azaria because he had a look that reminded me. And I was like, this is like if Hank Azaria is this like tough guy because he was giving me Jason Gedrick vibe. Oh, yes. Now, right. That's Iron Eagle, right? Oh, 100 percent. I love Jason Gedrick or did. um the other thing about him was they none of them could agree on what accent anyone would really have in this movie because josh brolin's kind of rocking a little bit of an accent and then chrissy is really rocking an accent that doesn't seem midwest at all it almost seems like new yorky like you're putting all these people together and i'm like well you can hear each other we have we haven't all agreed on what we're what we're doing here it was really there were so many things that or off-putting about the relationships, their voices.

27:27Jason Mantzoukas:I mean, I loved every moment of it. But it's an odd vibe because you wanted, Chrissy needed to get reprimanded, I guess. I don't know if she needed to, but that's what they're kind of doing to her in the movie a lot. But her brother is straight up evil. I kind of wished, I guess, and maybe this wouldn't have helped, maybe it would have, I kind of wished that Chrissy had in fact been a dagger. It was like a loyal dagger. I think that would have helped. That's the way that's our story. She would have been torn inside. And as it was, she was like, yeah, I like this guy. I like this guy. Why can't you support me?

28:05And she doesn't have any allegiance.

28:07Jason Mantzoukas:Yeah, she doesn't have any, like, none of her friends are trying to pull her away from him. She doesn't seem to have individual friends. Like, Sherilyn Fenn is not her friend. it's her brother's girlfriend. So she seemed like really on her own. Yeah. Also, gosh, I didn't know if our guys were in the Valley. Like, the name that they gave themselves, the Ramp Locals. The Ramp Locals, terrible name. Terrible. Terrible name. We're the Ramp Locals. What does that mean? I'm assuming it's a skate ramp. It's for locals only, maybe? I don't know. They definitely have a ramp in a cornfield. I mean, I don't know where that ramp was built in Los Angeles.

28:53Jason Mantzoukas:It looks like it was in the field of dreams a lot. Well, they also, in the montages, they also are skateboarding up and down Hollywood Boulevard. Yes, they are. Which I will say, it was very fun to see stretches of Hollywood Boulevard. Oh, I loved it. Not like they are now. What year is this, Paul? 86. This is before the Ripley's music. Mid-80s Hollywood Boulevard. The Scientology Center is still that same building. They were by Wacko over in Los Feliz. Oh my God, the Wacko. I freaked out when I saw Wacko. Me too. I love that. I also loved the choice to make the owner of the skate shop, who's going to give the winner of the LA Massacre a sponsorship, to make him a suit, like a classic 80s corporate suit?

29:41Jason Mantzoukas:A man who is never skated. Almost like he's Lou Pearlman or something. He's a thicker man who never has touched a skateboard in his life, doesn't look like it. And it looks like he's a weird man with a van who's trying to get kids in the back of it. And then when you meet him, he's like Willy Wonka-esque. He's like, here, put this tire in your mouth. Wait, what? Why is he asking Josh Brolin to bite on the wheel of a skateboard? I didn't understand that. And I didn't care for it, in fact. But he's a businessman. he's a businessman he's a businessman he doesn't really care about the culture you know how that happens in skateboarding yeah well that's um but can i just say one thing about him too when they're in his little factory and he's you know he's like overseeing the work in the factory he's like i only care about winners and then just off in a random shelf in the middle of a warehouse he has his trophy collection he's like like this it's like wait you're not even displaying that for anyone to see.

30:41Jason Mantzoukas:It's not around your desk. It is just a shelf in the factory to show that. And then why would you get the trophies if you represent... It's just an odd thing. It's like producers getting an Oscar. I guess, yeah. But producers don't even get a real Oscar, apparently. They have to get the invitation. One of my favorite specifics in this movie was in the gang, in our gang, the hero gang. The ramp locals. ramp locals, sorry, is that they have like an authentic, like 13 year old in their crew. Oh, I loved him. Who every time he pipes up, like when, when, when the bad guy is like, you be at the, I'll meet you at the Bronson half pipe, by the way, which is up the street from where I used to live.

31:28I used to, my, my hike every day used to be right past the Bronson half pipe, which is so funny. There were kids still skating on it. Oh, anyway, he said, I'll meet you. You be there. And then the little kid just goes, no, you'll be there. And they cut to this little kid wearing sunglasses. And I'm like, make the movie about this fucking kid. I love the kid. I thought he was great in everything. You know what I was confounded by? When we're on our like epic date with Josh Burrell the whole night. And by the way, you know, her hair is long and then it's short and then it's long and then it's short again.

32:04Jason Mantzoukas:Well, June, you have to remember that they did go from like Santa Monica to Hollywood to those fields back to Santa Monica. It's chopped into such a like smart bob. I'm like, she had long hair two scenes ago. That night, I think, or maybe it's a different night. They're at a diner and we cut it and they've just finished. They have just finished. This. A bowl that's the size of. like a serving dish of salad for like a dinner party of 18. No, like the biggest bowl serving bowl that can be made can be made is what they've eaten from. And they're on the tail end of it. And it's also like China. Like it's, it is, it would almost be like the biggest bowl of popcorn you can get at the movies.

32:54You know what I mean?

32:55Jason Mantzoukas:But bigger itself was way too fancy. It read to me like she was the only one who ate it. Because Josh Brolin's sitting with his back up against the wall. What was it? They say it was ice cream. The people behind them, they have it. They did? Oh, the people behind them had it. Now, I will just say, Jason, you don't know this, but I was in Vegas and I ate something called the Titanic. and the Titanic at Carmine's is a ice cream sundae that looks like the Titanic. It has three smokestacks in it with a bunch of chocolate and vanilla ice cream over a giant brownie. And I had two children with me and it was just me.

33:43Jason Mantzoukas:And we put, I would say, one fourth of a dent into this thing. And I had a different appreciation for how hard it would be to eat that bowl of ice cream. And it feels like Chrissy just went to town on it. It feels like the kind of thing that you would win a t-shirt for Finney. Yes. Yeah, there it is. We're looking at it. I don't know how... It's so big. And it's full of bananas and the person behind... It looks like a gigantic banana split. Looks delicious, actually. Okay, I have an update. I know what it is now. Okay. It's unequivocally a punch bowl. Okay. Yes. Thank you, Jason. It's a punch bowl.

34:22So, but here's the thing. They have more time together. Anyone, I don't care if you have a stomach of steel. Nope. Anyone's going to be in pain. This is going to be a gastrointestinal nightmare.

34:41Jason Mantzoukas:You do not want to have sex after eating a punch bowl full of ice cream. This is one of two things. This is either creating a diarrhea factory in your body or it's stopping stuff up for a week. Wait, is the sex scene after this? Correct. Wow. Really next level. Just looking at it, I'm like the amount that even if they both consumed it, even if they split it equally. Oh, yeah. I'm telling you guys, I live this. I lived Titanic. And it was a lot of whipped cream. You know, it's like it's meant to be a spectacle that people get that no one really will ever finish. It's not for consumption. No one expects you to eat that whole thing.

35:31Jason Mantzoukas:No. So that's why we never follow Mr. Flood into the back of his van where he has got all the ice cream you can eat. One of the things that I want to say that I loved about the sex scene that we did speak about earlier and just how tender and how much it's about love is and their connection with each other is that like all good 80s movies, it is soundtracked to a duet, a ballad that is a man woman duet, a boy girl duet. Let the Love Begin. Let the Love Begin is the best song ever written. The lyrics are, I mean, wow. It is. I also loved the song that was Don't Think Twice, which was also great.

36:15I mean, the soundtrack is great. I looked it up. It's not officially on Spotify, but a number of the songs are.

36:21Jason Mantzoukas:Can I just read a line from Let the Love Begin? Two different people from such different worlds apart has touched each other's hearts like candles in the dark. It's time for us. We got to take it. Take a chance. The chance to make it now. Let the love begin. Yeah. Let the love begin. Let the love begin. I will say, even though I don't know what they, I don't know, I did feel that they had a very nice connection. I like that. I agree. They had great chemistry. Well, they're both like, they're both Midwestern people. Like, that's the other hilarious part about this. They both are outsiders from L.A.

37:01Jason Mantzoukas:They both seem level-headed and honest, and they get together. There's no real conflict in them at all. Like, there's no reason for us to not root for them. Like, they seem like, arguably, they should just leave town together because their lives would be better off. And, oh, I also loved, so when Chrissy decides that she's leaving, you know, this town, it's too much for her. They've broken his arm. The joust, I think, proves to be too much. Maybe the jousting we'll get into in a minute, but they put the brothers like, fine, you're leaving. Great. He drives her to the bus station in the middle of the night.

37:41We then cut to her. I got idea, right? We cut to her sleeping on the bus station benches the next day, midday. She wakes up. When did her? She's he dropped her off at like two o 'clock in the morning and she slept there all night and waited. He likes to arrive early. I mean, I had hope. What the fuck was this? Honestly, I had hoped that she had already done one leg. Maybe. God, I hope. Maybe. But, I mean, then she gets on multiple buses. I mean, she's not sleeping. It's crazy. I don't know. And it's like, I have to be honest, when I watched this, because you're right, Jason, like, we were so with her on this bus trip.

38:19I actually thought to myself watching it, I was like, you know, I never think to take a bus somewhere. Oh, wow. It never occurs to me. I did. In New York, I did buses. Where were you taking them? There were times where I would take the bus from New York to Boston. Yes, I never did that. I was on a train. Yeah, exactly.

38:41Jason Mantzoukas:Gitney was a thing that people did. Like, you got to the Hamptons. Okay, sure. But if the movie had been smart, it would have made the slalom second to last and the joust last. Right? Well, no, because I think the joust. Because the joust to me seems so violent and so much more... They have to overcome. I mean, that's the thing. He's got the broken arm. That was why he came here in the first place. The swallum just felt so blotomy. Yeah, it was not just fun. It really did. It's just simply watching a bunch of people on skateboards go downhill. There's nothing. It's like, oh, well, you're just taking gravity and using it and you're going down.

39:29There was no skill applied.

39:31Jason Mantzoukas:You're spoken like a loser who never finished a downhill slalom, June. But it's also like... It's a lot. What are you, just flying to hay? Yeah. You know what? You know what? Maybe the joke is on me, but I couldn't tell. Like, when I see someone skiing downhill, I'm like, oh, it's a lot of fucking work. But I agree. I don't know what they were doing. To me, it's just like, they're just going, they're using gravity, okay. But what's so impressive in skateboarding is the tricks, is the stuff they're doing off of the pipes and the pools and all that stuff. This is the moment that we're in between.

40:06Jason Mantzoukas:That's what I think is happening here because this is like this middle ground where it was like, oh, skateboarding was always just like, I'm skating, like a very pedestrian thing. And then it was like, oh, we're going to do this more extreme thing of going downhill. And then it became like the skateboarding that we know. So I feel like this is kind of like paying homage to what it was. No, I think you're right. And that is kind of what that documentary. I feel like I could have done the L.A. Massacre. Wow. Same. I'm not saying I would have won. No way. I would have flipped off into one of the things.

40:35Oh, I would have won immediately, having never set foot on a skateboard. I think I would have gotten pretty far. I mean, by the way, people were. That was what was making me laugh. So many people did seem to fall and have to drop out from just like a curb, like things that seemed so easy to overcome.

40:54Jason Mantzoukas:I mean, was this an illegal event? Because it felt like the L.A. massacre felt to me like an underground event. Like the pool thing felt like it's underground, but there was a helicopter. There was a helicopter. There was full teams of like medical teams. And there was, I thought, an LAPD or a state trooper taking the speed with one of the speed readers. Yes, that's right. It felt like there was some sort of official sanctioning of the L.A. massacre. But I don't know that that was true for the pool. And certainly it wasn't true. Well, the announcers come in everywhere. And I was like, where is this?

41:36Jason Mantzoukas:First of all, where is the announcer located? And did they install a speaker system throughout the L.A. massacre? Miles and miles. Miles of speakers had to go out there. I loved it. And the announcer who I do love can see every little move in that pool, but not when someone drops jacks. Oh, my God. Nobody noticed when the guy dropped the jacks into the pool and nobody said, hey, there's jacks in here. Nobody after the fact said someone did this. Yeah. Everything is. Yeah. It's all illegal. We got to start over. Don't ever let them apply again. Which I would have been cool with if it was like, you know what?

42:18When we're not on L.A. Massacre, anything goes. Like, there are no holds barred kind of thing. But by the way, did he happen to have those jacks in his pocket? Oh, he went there.

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44:49Jason Mantzoukas:The one thing I thought about the announcer that made me laugh was, we're watching this and this is where the skateboarding is just fun and it's not bad skateboarding. It's like they have professionals. It looks great. It's so cool. Well, the stunt team is basically all of the Bones Brigade guys. It is Tony Hawk. It is like everybody in there is like one of the like some of the best skateboarders of this era. Well, so like I'm not critiquing the skating, but I am critiquing the announcer who we just watch a guy in the, in the pool crash out, get really seriously injured. And the announcer goes, well, that's going to be a tough act to follow.

45:32Jason Mantzoukas:I'm like, no, it's not. He failed. He is injured. He did not succeed. Doing maneuvers and tricks that are dead simple. Like that's from an era of skateboarding that It feels truly quaint. Yes. Like somebody does a 360 and people lose their minds. He does a slow 360. They flip it so slow. It's so crazy. This is unimpressive. When you slow it down, it actually looks lamer. Here's what I couldn't understand, though, about Josh Brolin's break. Because it did seem like he broke his arm, right? but the bandage was on his back and there seemed to be a cut back there. Well, I think the jack got in there.

46:15Jason Mantzoukas:I always thought that he had injury from the jacks. Like he felt like the jacks made his board flip and then he fell on a jack. I think the back injury is from the jacks and the broken arm is from the joust. The joust 100%. Yeah. I see. All right, of course, there were two. Because he starts whaling him in the arm, which is also so funny. It's like, if you're going to hurt the guy, I weigh him in the fucking legs so he can't skateboard. Galooly this guy. What are we talking about? Why are we worried about his arms? We got to fucking galooly this guy into submission. Oh, my God. I do want to. I know we're doing extreme sports as our summer theme, which I'm very much on board for.

46:57But this movie gave me such a powerful nostalgia for another movie that I am requesting that we include. that is much more of an 80s teen summer movie, which we've discussed in the past. But let me know your thoughts on The Legend of Billie Jean. Never saw it. I never seen it, yeah. Oh, give my brother back his bike? Wait, neither of you have seen The Legend of Billie Jean? No. Put it on, Scott, put it on the docket. Okay. This to me is a much beloved insane 80s teen movie that is young Christian Slater, young Helen Slater. Boy, and it has the vibes of this movie. Okay, great. Oh, man, I love this.

47:42Now, listen, here's something I wasn't clear on. What happened? Okay, by the way, just so you know, the end of the movie, I thought, oh, this is the first time we're seeing Thrashing, and that was when, during the L.A. Massacre, Hook tries to, as they're going downhill, push and and uh like elbow josh brolin out of the path i thought oh that's now we're at the event i think that's now that i agree with you i do think that is meant to be quote-unquote thrashing it is i think that's i think that would be that would qualify as thrashing like like if they being aggressive skating aggressively skating to to hurt people to knock people off the course I think that is probably.

48:26How did Hook, I think I just missed it. How did he, how did he fly off? It wasn't set up.

48:34Jason Mantzoukas:Sometimes they're flying off as if they hit a, like a, like a cartoon spring. Cause the way their bodies are flying, it's almost, they were catapulted into the air. We don't know. They really couldn't do a good job of it. I will say Josh Brolin clearly skateboarding in a number of these scenes. Yes. like visibly on a skateboard doing, not stunts, but doing skateboarding, as is this kid who's playing Hook as well. By the way, Hook originally supposed to be Johnny Depp because Sherilyn Fenn and Johnny Depp were dating at that point. And this director was like, he had a wimpy handshake. So I was like, no, we got to cast a real guy.

49:16Jason Mantzoukas:And I was like, oh, I mean, wow. Because Johnny Depp would have eaten that up. And he's so good. He would have, that era of Johnny Depp. Yes. The 21 Jump Street era would have been, it would have been great. Well, that's the thing that is a bummer is I think Brolin is terrific. And not to take anything away from this actor playing Hook, but he wasn't a good enough bad guy for me. I agree. You're like, I would have loved it if he had a little bit more, I don't know, mustache twirling or some, just a sense of true malice. which is hard because he's also trying to take care of his younger sister, which I appreciate, you know?

49:56I appreciate it as well, except she seems like she doesn't need taking care of her. She seems like she's, yeah. That's partially because she seems to us like she's 31 years old, which she is. Correct. If she pulls out a two-year-old and is like, I'm also a single mom, I'd be like, yeah, of course. she's like I'm a real estate agent at Caldwell Banker I also sell Mary Kay like all of it would be in line with what I was seeing but she does say a

50:31Jason Mantzoukas:thing uh where she goes how do you know mom and dad didn't send me to check up on you and I'm like oh that actually feels like is that true but also nobody has parents nobody has parents in the whole movie that's awesome that's crazy it does it is a charlie i mean who's who's watching that 13 year old kid he's out too late yeah and and like so he is josh brolin's living in the camper van behind the house of the other kids who seem to be about his same age who don't have parents but yet that 13 year old i think also lives in that house i don't know i don't this is an era where feral children were commonplace.

51:11And now, if you let your 10-year-old walk 10 blocks to the store and back, you can be arrested. But this is an era when kids just ran roughshod all over the world.

51:24Jason Mantzoukas:Did we talk about this on the show? If we did, forgive me, but there were ads. I will not forgive you, just so you know. There were ads. When I was growing up, it goes, it's 10 p.m. Do you know where your children are? Of course. Like that's wild. So the TV, like, Hey, like people at television stations, like, Hey, we got to remind these parents to like, it's 10. They got to get there. The kids should be home. Remember you have kids go find them. Wait, that is. So that is just speaking to how many kids were just out and not being looked after at all at 10 PM. That's when you have to be a parent.

52:01Jason Mantzoukas:Yes. That's when you need to check back in that. I always think that that is like, It speaks volumes because it's not a thing about the movies. It is just the way that people were living their lives. Well, yeah. I mean, I didn't have to come back, especially over the summer. My parents did have to come out and get me a 10. Oh, yeah. Just find you. Just find you out and about. Gosh. I mean, my mom would ring a bell. My mom would ring a cowbell. That's awesome. Because it could be heard longer than her shouting voice. Wow, wow, wow. Meanwhile, I rode a roller coaster in Las Vegas with one son. I had the other son waiting at the exit of the roller coaster, and he got scared that I was gone for too long.

52:47Jason Mantzoukas:I was like, you saw us leave.

52:53Jason Mantzoukas:Yeah, they would not. I couldn't make our kids leave for that long if I tried. An interesting little side note. We've talked a lot about the production design, especially that house, which is amazing. Would it surprise you to know that the production designer on this movie was Twilight director Catherine Hardwick? Oh, wow. Oh, my goodness. I love that. And to your point, she was a film director who made Lords of Dogtown. Oh, yeah. That's right. Well, I have to say, I thought she did a great job with Dagger's House. She said Dagger's house was a legitimate Hollywood crack house. And she almost got killed every day.

53:36Jason Mantzoukas:Wow. Oh my God. That's so sketchy. Yeah. That place had a, it didn't feel, yeah, it felt dangerous. It did. It didn't feel like, oh, someone created this. Like it had a, there, there was the texture about it where it felt like very bad things have happened here. Yeah. And I, like a lot of the graffiti was good. I loved, too, how much the great scene when Josh Brolin and Chrissy are having one of their dates. And he's showing her the image that he's drawn, which is what he wants to be the graphic design on his skateboard, which is a spider carrying a beautiful woman in its claws. It looks like the spider is about to eat this woman.

54:22Jason Mantzoukas:And her reaction to it, and this is why this movie is special. She's like, do you want to be held like that? I'm like, whoa. What? That's what transitions into the sex scene. Do you want to be held like that? So she's asking, do you want to be the woman in this picture? Yes. And his answer is tacitly yes. Interesting. It's really great. And it's so teenage to be like, check out this thing I drew that I'm going to put on my skateboard. and especially after you see especially after you saw the bad version of it that he had on his skateboard earlier which is also so like it didn't look good and she's like what is that supposed to be?

55:04Jason Mantzoukas:A spider? Well it made me feel that scene especially made me feel like she was older than him and was like the aggressor you know in a way that So that would have been a woman boy scene? Correct. Maybe. Oh yeah. What you think is a girl a boy girl scene turns into a woman-boy scene. Well, I would also say it's one of those rare instances of a woman-boy scene where the boy becomes a man. Whoa. And so we're watching. It starts as a woman-boy, and then it becomes a woman-man. Okay, so a boy and a girl enter, and a man and a woman leave? Yeah. Wow. Well, they do have sex, so, I mean, this is a rite of passage.

55:49Oh, my God. I was obsessed with the necklace he gave her. The fact that he was wearing a necklace. It wasn't even on leather. It was on like a, it's not lanyard. It wasn't a chain. It was like a black piece of string almost. But like thick, shiny string. And I couldn't tell what it was at first. I didn't have my glasses on watching. And I was like, oh, I guess he gave her some sort of a pen. like skull and cross or a cross or I don't. Then to realize at a certain point, it's a skateboard.

56:28Jason Mantzoukas:Yeah. A little baby skateboard. It's a little baby skateboard. Cause you know, you take your interests and you take your hobbies and you take the things you care about and then you make little charms out of them. And by the way, he's wearing it in the, he's wearing it in the beginning of the movie. He's wearing that little skateboard. He gives it to her. I mean, he like, it's his promise ring. I'm looking at a picture of it. Now you're right. It is just a black piece of string, like a rope, like a shoelace. Rope, yes, yes, yes. And so he had to go find that. Oh, my God. I mean, by the way, this is a movie all about accessories.

57:01Jason Mantzoukas:Because even when Hook is going to go on the L.A. Massacre, he gets that, like, Nintendo glove kind of spiky arm thing. And everyone's gathered around him like, what do we think of this? What do we think of my accessory here, guys? What do we? This is a movie about straight up fashion. And the joust, he paints like Deadpool eyes on his eyes, like big purple, weird eyes around his eyes. I would like to talk about briefly the joust. Oh, please. Let's get into it. Why? So I understand the idea of like, OK, we want to have a lot of sharks and jets. We want to have a gang fight between these two skate gangs.

57:44But mustn't they have to do it on their skateboard? So how would that work? Okay, so it's a joust. Okay, I can kind of even see that. But why wouldn't it just be like a joust? Everybody's holding like a broomstick or something to knock the person off their horse. That's what a joust is. But instead, they've got weighted punching bags. So they have to do this, which would immediately throw you off balance from skateboarding to wing around this thing at the end of a chain. like that doesn't make any sense for having to also balance and that's not justing not at all

58:21Jason Mantzoukas:justing can i say that's like having a mace or something and and the the bag is full of rocks and it's really it is okay that's what i didn't know and it's gonna hit you in the belly now when you watch this jackass recreation of it which i i gotta send it to you guys because it's so funny the when it's actually happening in real life when you're actually hitting someone with a bag of rocks in the belly not only does the person getting hit fall off the skateboard but the person wielding the the the mace yes of course basically you get one run at each other and you're both down yeah well because you there's no way you would be able to maintain balance while swinging a heavy object that's at the end that is itself at the end of a chain which is why it's so fulfilling that at the end of this is like oh he's off let me just run and just jump on top and start beating the shit out of them.

59:13The joust was ridiculous and there were so many people there but that's when I was like I love this. That's what gave me the vibes of also like a lot of like the movies we've seen like the teen movies where it's like underground dance competition. I love it when it's the non-sanctioned version that always has more juice to me than the official race or fight or whatever.

59:36Jason Mantzoukas:And I think what we're led to believe is like the daggers live in unsanctioned life i mean yeah they're in a crack house but they're also when they jump a car in the middle of traffic and like dent a roof like they are just creating havoc in on hollywood boulevard now they clearly shot that i feel like with hidden cameras because people are like what is going on the streets are clearing for them and i was like this is it's dangerous it's annoying It's great. It's great. It really is like a jackass the movie or jackass TV show kind of prank. But they are so aggressive. I mean, all they're doing is just creating skate like they're the reason why we hate skate.

1:00:18Jason Mantzoukas:Yeah, they're thrashing. That's it. I guess they're authentically teen in those Hollywood Boulevard kind of run in the streets being like that felt like being teenagers and running around running amok. Now, Jason and June, you both are incredibly talented writers. You've created many, many things. I'd love to show you the pitch document that the producer of this film used to make it. We can describe it as we see it, but Scott, can we get that up on the screen here? this is what the uh the producer alan sachs uh alan sachs uh former writer for welcome back carter this is how he pitched the movie it is a sheet of white paper and it says uh skate thrashing by alan sachs and uh paul brown says skate or die stay away from my sister uh and it says primo is great freestyle visual as hell it looks like a bad zine okay wait a minute i gotta point something out to you that he has misspelled joust and so had to put a tiny u next to the he he said hawk challenges cory to a joust um and then had to insert a tiny u above the o in between the s uh and the oh wow we will have this up on our social media but i want you i just want everyone to take in that this is this i don't even know what this is this is like this is a zine that wouldn't even catch your attention and visual as all hell fuck that's awesome i it's caught my attention by the way it worked it worked clearly at it yeah and i'm like wow what does that say over there oh let me see this picture oh let me like it's it is catching my attention and what is clear to me now is that that character's name is hawk not hook oh well it was supposed to be It was Hawk.

1:02:08Jason Mantzoukas:He switched it to Hook, I think because of the Tony Hawk thing. Makes sense. Makes sense. OK, got it. Freestyle. Oh, I love that. Freestyle. It's like breaking. And they spelled breaking without the G as well. And I loved that moment. It was right in my notes. I wrote it was so right on. I was like, oh, wow. They're treating skating like the like the breakdance movies where it's different crews who are going against each other. It has the same framework as a breaking movie. And then they come up on the break dancers at Venice Beach and the skaters are like, breaking is a memory. I was like, fuck.

1:02:47By the way, what a burn. What a burn. To say something is a memory. It's a memory. And the breakers like have to be like, yeah, you're right. They're like, wow. It's a memory. They back down immediately. A memory for wimps. Yeah, Scott says. It's crazy. It's like to say something's a memory. It's like you're not even saying it's good or bad. It's just gone. It's forgotten. It's forgotten. It's forgotten. And you know what I'm now thinking of it, too? There's not a lot of swearing. There's very little slurs. Yeah. This is the kind of movie. It is clean in a surprising way because these groups of teens would normally be hurling epithets and swears at each other.

1:03:32And it doesn't, but that doesn't make the movie feel any less authentic.

1:03:35Jason Mantzoukas:Well, maybe, Jason, because everyone is stone-cold white, too. I mean, this is a movie that... Oh, well, I guess I didn't notice that. I guess, yes, everybody, in fact, is, in fact, very white. Yes. Well, when... The one curse word I remember, because I was so confused, is when the little kid, who's a part of the ramp locals, is sitting in the car, when it's the VW, in the back of the car, he's like, I don't want to sit ride bitch anymore. Oh yeah. But he's, I thought riding bitch was being in the middle. June, this is why we are married. I wrote that down too. I was like, bitch is being in the middle.

1:04:13I believe that's the case as well.

1:04:14Jason Mantzoukas:Yeah, you're not the backseat. But he's on the side. Yeah. I don't know. I think in his world, bitch is just backseat. I think they just wanted kids to say bitch. He's asking for a lot. Well, by the way, yeah, the kid should be in the backseat. just from a safety standpoint. I do want to point out one thing because I'm looking at my research that I didn't read before, sadly. That moment in the downhill massacre race, that skating legend Jesse Martinez who is getting worked on by paramedics for real because when he was shooting the movie, he hurt himself and those are real paramedics setting his leg.

1:04:53Jason Mantzoukas:And that whole section is based on something real because from 1975 to 1978 in Signal Hill, California, near Long Beach, they would do these things where you would skateboard like around 60 miles an hour on like a 30-degree incline. And the reason why it stopped was because people were getting hurt a lot. I really, the documentary, and I looked it up, and the documentary, this blew my mind, is from 2001. It's so old. Dogtown and Z-Boys is a terrific documentary about this era of skating. and these characters who are true characters, you know, really great. All right. So obviously we have an opinion about this movie and other people might have a different one.

1:05:35Jason Mantzoukas:It is now time for second opinions. You're a man. You're a man. You're a man. You're a man. You're a man. You're a man. The movie was a piece of shit. Yet this person recommends it. Tell me what is the message. Maybe that art is subjective I need a second opinion All right, so there are only 546 reviews. That's actually pretty low for us on Amazon. 82 % of them are five-star. There are zero one-star reviews. And I'll just start off with ones that are just incredibly loving, like this one from Brett Elliott. He writes, without a doubt the best 80s skateboarding movie ever you can skip lords of dogtown this is the quintessential depiction of skateboarding culture in 1984 i had no idea how much i would love this movie before watching it just skip past the romantic relationship stuff what five stars no way uh russ says in reality this is a horribly made movie but in the 80s skateboard culture was my life.

1:06:51Jason Mantzoukas:It's still one of my favorite movies and I watch it a couple times a year. Yes, I have the standard M Blu-ray on disc, but it's nice to have it streaming so I don't have to get off my fat ass to watch it. Five stars. Wow. And then this is what I want to end on because this is an odd one. It's a little bit of a journey, but I think it's worth it. It's by Mr. Sneaky Man. And this is actually something we found on like it i already don't like it so this is from mr sneaky man it's you know what it's not just that i don't like it it's i don't like when you say it i know i said it in a way that kind of gilded the lily or um gilded the lily from someone who had horses that is a chilling statement that poor lily i gotta cut his balls off all right mr sneaky man writes this I promise this story is true.

1:07:47Jason Mantzoukas:I once worked at a crazy restaurant where half the workers worshiped this movie. They were all skaters and they were good. They privately called themselves the daggers. They were the secret daggers. Then another crew of skaters moved in next door. They were much louder and more in your face. Right. But they were also really good. And they publicly refer to themselves as the daggers. And they even had scarification brands in the shape of daggers on their skin to back up their claim. So the branded daggers started hanging out at the restaurant's bar after hours, and shit got tense. Both dagger crews were constantly talking shit about each other behind each other's backs.

1:08:32Jason Mantzoukas:Sadly, nothing major ever came of it. Although there were a couple of minor skate slash snowboard schoolings and a metric fuck ton of mud slinging. But that's about it. Both crews ended up dissolving and scattering to the four winds. Nevertheless, it was funny as hell to witness two groups of people who worshipped a semi obscure movie meet each other and decide that the other group was unworthy of the recognition that the other one wanted. It was like planets colliding all over this stupid fucking movie. That is great. The reason why I believe it's true is because it goes, nothing happened. It was just people.

1:09:14I love that, though. That's really funny. Well, I mean, like it really this movie and I haven't seen it before this, but would have really activated me as a kid. You know, this would have been the kind of these kids had the kind of freedom that I truly desired. You know, like, there are no parents in this movie at all. And boy, did that seem like freeing. You know, I love that.

1:09:42Jason Mantzoukas:Now, let me tell you, obviously, we've joked around about some of the performances here. But there's one person who has a very unique take on his performance. And I'm just going to set up like that. Scott, play that clip. I saw the movie. I went to the premiere. And I was like, your acting is so bad, you're hurting people. You thought that? Yeah, dude. did you think that in the goonies no i didn't think i was brilliant i thought i i serviced the role but but you were like i thought and that was a great director and he's cutting and he's using the right moments and all that kind of stuff like they understand that's what when you work with better directors it's not just about the performance it's how they're cutting what kind of music you're using who the editor is all that kind of shit and i watched thrashing which was obviously it was you You saw the cost.

1:10:30It was a tiny movie. And then you see me like, no, Chrissy, come back. And you're just like, oh, fuck, dude. But do you think, hold on. On the flip side of that, do you think that if your acting had been better or if there was a De Niro in the role, would that have saved the movie? No. No. So you're suggesting that the movie's back? I'm not saying anything. I'm just saying. I can't. I wasn't in it. It's terrible. It's pretty bad. See, that's the thing. It's so terrible. It's so terrible. It's awesome. This is so terrible. It's awesome.

1:11:06Jason Mantzoukas:I love him. I thought he was great. By the way, I actually think he's pretty good. Like, in the grand scheme of things, he's terrific. I mean, again, how old is he in this? He's got 18, you know, something like that. And that's what he's giving. Like, it's perfect. Now, let me say this. If I was looking at even like one of my first roles from when I was whatever, 34, I would still be like cringing the way he's cringing. I get it. But he does not in any way stick out in this movie more so than anybody else does. You know, he's servicing the movie. It's great. By the way, should we make a T-shirt for this movie where it's just the little black chain and a skateboard, like a necklace?

1:11:50Jason Mantzoukas:Like that's all it is. it looks like you're wearing, it's a white shirt, but it looks like you're wearing like just a skateboard necklace. I think I would like that. And it's thrashing and it just says thrashing. Like all over the pocket. Oh man. Well, let's see if we can get that going. Well, I want to say to everybody, thank you for thrashing with us. However you choose to thrash, we salute you. And Jason and June, always a pleasure. We have live shows coming up at Largo at the end of this month. You can just go to HDTGM.com. That's where you can get our merch. You can get everything you want there.

1:12:25Jason Mantzoukas:But if you have a correction or omission, and now, Jason, you recently retitled this section. I did? When you were hosting the... Oh, yes. Opinions and context. Yeah, I don't need to be corrected. None of us ever need to be corrected. Well, there you go. And an omission suggests that we left something out and that's wrong. So I think it is an opinion. Write in with your opinions or context. I agree with that. And if you want to leave us a voicemail, which we really love, you can leave us a message by just going to fucking call Paul dot com or speak pipe dot com slash H.D.T.G.M. And you can leave all your comments on the discord at discord dot G.G.

1:13:00Jason Mantzoukas:slash H.D.T.G.M. Get your messages in by the Monday after this episode drops to make sure they get considered for last looks. OK, Jason, June, anything you want to plug? Elle, the first season of Elle is streaming now. So funny. So good. video so please go check that out it's really yeah watch it on you have a number one and this show has been number one on amazon now for uh weeks it's a hit to hear it oh so exciting a real hit um no you know what just because we recently paul you and i went back to new york and did uh another installment of the chris gethard yes yes what's in the dumpster show um i will promote the first instance of it, which exists for free on YouTube, it is called Another Man's Trash.

1:13:46And it is you and me on Chris Gethard's old show, trying to guess what's inside of a dumpster. And it is worth everybody stopping down and spending 45 minutes to watch this incredible episode of television.

1:13:57Jason Mantzoukas:And I think you can actually watch one we did in New York, too. I'm not sure, but you can find it out in the Gethard. Yeah, I think he taped it like that. Remember, if you listen to us on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, please make sure you are subscribed to our feed and have automatic downloads turned on in the show settings. It helps us and we appreciate it. Lastly, I got to give a huge thanks to our behind the scenes team. I'm talking about our producer, Scott Sonny, Molly Reynolds, our engineer, Casey Holford, and our social media manager, Zoe Applebaum. We got so much good stuff going on on our social media.

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