Ep: 472 Mastering Scale & Visual Balance with Sarah Vaile

31:05We'd actually do a lot of ceiling mount hardware for lower spaces. If you have a soffit, just get maximize that drape height. And then obviously in like a 10 foot, you know, you get really dramatic, dramatic height in the drapes. and we have a lot of soffits too and and which is always adds like another level of working around those that's kind of I guess more decorative than scale but also another thing no those are all really good scale items and of course art art's a big one right there's nothing like I love floor-to-ceiling art there will never be anything more dramatic you can lacquer a room You can do all the things.

31:53But if you do Florida ceiling art on your walls, which I can see you have. So go big with the art. Yeah. It's like that's just such a great way to fill a wall, anchor a wall. Love it. I always feel like most of the time going bigger than you think is fine. Smaller looks weird. Would you agree with that? or what would you kind of say if you had to err on one side, which would you do? Just in terms of like the overall furnishing? Well, just like, yeah. It could be like art, for example, or a light fixture. Or a mirror. Yeah, a mirror. I always feel like, okay, something like a real big mirror, big piece of art, big chandelier.

32:45I think so too. Because if anything, it'll probably have just, it just becomes more dramatic. And I noticed kind of you guys said somewhere like it has the Alice in Wonderland effect. I'm always like, what's the hotel in Vegas that has had the like paper, big balloons? Oh my gosh. The W? No, not the W. It'll come to me. But I'm always like, yeah, it's kind of do you want, it almost then starts to feel a little like commercial space, right? They go so dramatic in the size of the light fixtures, in like a restaurant or a hotel lobby. So it's kind of like, how much drama do you want? And bigger is always going to give you more drama.

33:31So I would have to agree with that. If anything smaller might just feel a little more dated, like it came from your grandparents' house. Since somehow we just seem to be like getting bigger and bigger as a human species. Oh my gosh, I saw Napoleon's bed in Paris and I was like, I don't think my 10-year-old would fit in that. I mean, now I understand the Napoleon complex. We really are growing so much. I wouldn't even put that in my son's room. That's true. That's true. So it's hard. That's the hardest part, I think, is pairing the old and the new. So hence the people in the photos of the vintage with the caption, with the disclaimer, how tall are you?

34:19I know. Having an illustration of someone sitting in the chair is such a great call. That's how it is for our vendors. When we manufacture, a lot of times they'll have someone sitting in it, standing next to it. It's the funniest little photos. And you appreciate it so much, though, because you can tell they're like, Joe scoot into the photo like and you can tell he's like oh gosh Joe's not happy about it Joe's like I didn't want to sit in this or you know it no the person in the photo never wants to be in the photo which actually is half the fun there's a mirror girl in all of our mirrors that's always hilarious to me because she's clearly holding her phone up like in front of her face so you can't see her face but because she's taking a picture of a mirror it's reflecting her and guys we just got the best ones recently we're developing a mirror and the person really didn't want to be in it and so they took a piece of cardboard they cut out a hole so it's just but it's a it's a photo of a mirror so all you see is like this floating hand and and like phone and then it's And we're like, what is going?

35:30Is this a box? And then we figured it out. And so now you can tell there's another hand at some point holding the cardboard for this person to put their hand through the cardboard. And then we were laughing at the images. They were so funny. I'll have to include them. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Instead of focusing on what we were supposed to focus on, we were all just like laughing at how they literally like, okay, I don't want to be in the picture of the mirror. How am I going to do this? There's Photoshop, right? I don't know. Well, you guys, you have it the hardest, really. You are always thinking about scale.

36:05Because we always say when we make a custom piece, we used to say, gosh, okay, do we really want it this badly? Does it have to be custom? Because talk about a game of you can get it right, you can get it wrong. I mean, we've now learned there's three steps to a custom furniture piece. There's first the template, then the foam, then the fabric, because God forbid they put the fabric on and you're like, wait, that's not at all the race. So now we're like, we'll go for all the stops just to make sure, especially when you're doing something crazy, which usually we are, where it's like, what if we just have like a corner serpentine bench on one side, you know, and you're kind of winging it.

36:51And let's do some crazy. Yeah. Let's make sure it's expensive and crazy. And you're winging it all. You're like, I just, what's the back height? I don't know. You like, draw it all out. And then you're like, I think this is it in a 2D pattern. But now we've got to bring it to life and make sure. But I can't imagine with all the furniture you all make. Oh, my gosh. It's a lot of. A lot of sampling. That must be fun. Yeah. For sure. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And then when we're thinking about fabrics on sofas or on chairs, we're getting a big piece of the fabric where we're getting like a one yard by one yard swatch and kind of laying that out and kind of trying to figure out what that scale is too.

37:38Yes, that's so true. The scale of the fabric. That's a tricky one too. Yeah, talk to us about that. Yeah. And I think, um, I mean, it's, again, I think it's all about balance, right? So you've got like a, um, you got a small print, you got a large print, you've got like a stripe, then balance maybe with like a more organic floral. Um, it's, it's like everything in life balance, right? It's my mom's words of wisdom. But it is true, especially that's where really you have to think about the placement of the pieces, right? Because I think like when most people are starting out doing it on their own, they're kind of like, oh, I'll just kind of like wing it and go as I can.

38:25And it's like, well, yeah, but you got to just think about you can have two florals the same scale as long as they're on opposite ends of the room, right? And if you're going to do a mural and you have something right in front of it, you might want a stripe or a small check or a gingham to balance. Right? It's like all, that's where I think the floor plan is so big is kind of deciding how you lay it out in the room. And one other thing I was thinking of too, I was like, I think a big thing, and I don't know if you call this scale or what, but is legs versus not legs. Yeah. Right. Cause I think most of us, when you're first doing it, you'll realize looking back at your, when you, some of your first rooms, Oh, everything had legs.

39:14I had no skirt. And this was especially like skirts and fringe are all making a comeback. But when we started, there was not a lot of that, at least for me. So that's kind of now like the, the massive design population has accepted that more. But you look at some of those rooms and you're like, oh my gosh, not a single thing reached the floor. This is giving me anxiety now in hindsight, but now we're like very thoughtful of which table goes all the way down and is like a pedestal versus a four-legged versus a skirt versus fringe. We have so many fun options to work with right now. It's a fun time to design it.

40:24something that goes all the way to the floor. Yeah, that's a good one. Like that will not have all the legs everywhere else. Okay, I want to talk about scale of fabric patterns on drapery panels. Because I feel like some patterns might be too big and they might go into the folds. Like some are really small and dainty, but is that enough of a oomph in the room if that's what you're going for? How do you choose a pattern for drapery panels? Oh, gosh, we just went through this for a little girl's room. It was this big debate because I had this big scale, awesome pattern. And the question was, will it show up on drapes or will it do we want to showcase it on a cornice where you can really see the whole pattern?

41:20which is especially important to think of when you're kind of pattern drenching, when it's the same paper, which we were in this case. And we scoured the internet to find a photo of it on a drape. Because, of course, you know, the samples were given. It's like, you can't really get a feel from this teeny sample. I mean, literally the only way we look at samples is with the, why am I spacing on this word? With the pleat. Oh, you have to pleat it. Yeah. You have to pleat it because it takes on a completely different form and is such an important thing. Also, tufting. Tufting can completely transform a fabric on a piece of furniture.

42:02So you really have to think, am I going to tuff the back? Am I going to tuff the seat? Maybe if it's like a big pattern, we would only tuff the seat so the back can showcase the awesome pattern. um but again like something that you don't really think about so you've gotten it wrong usually and then you're like oh yeah i probably should have considered that yeah we have some fabrics that we won't we won't allow to be put on something that's tufted which makes sense and that's the worst feeling when you when you're putting the fabric to the furniture and you're like, oh, shoot, this is such a good pattern, but you can't put it on this chair.

42:45It's just not going to work. So it's, yeah, piecing all the things together is definitely half the battle. Well, I will say, I feel like that's why it's so important to have a plan, you know, for anyone who's doing it themselves. Have a plan because if you do find a fabric and you want to use it and it's great big scale, then if you've already bought your drapes and you've already bought your sofa and you've kind of already like done the big pieces, then you sort of run out of place to put it where it would really be worthwhile, you know? It's such good advice. Like I always say, you know, think through the overall home.

43:29Like, okay, is this room going to be wood paneled? Is this room going to be wallpapered, painted? Like balance that. Think through maybe just like the walls and the colors. and then once you've got that, then really map out the whole room, the room that you're going to do right then and there, map it out all the way. And I always tell my clients, I'm like, well, I should say, I always tell my not clients, my friends, look, I can't roll out at the level of my clients too. Like I roll, I have developed very champagne taste and I do not have the budget of my clients. So therefore I roll out, I roll out one room at a time.

44:07But you've got to think through every single detail of that room and kind of how it's going to relate to the next room. I'd say like this room is very feminine, but next year it's going to be an oak wood paneled room. And so it's just balancing. Like I, we obviously, you can tell we love bright colors, bold. And so it's like, okay, you got to balance the feminine and the masculine. um so at least for me i don't want to go all the way one way without kind of having it swing in the next adjacent room so i want to know why a smaller room can handle a larger sofa like i feel like sometimes a small room you kind of think like oh maybe i just need a little love seat or an apartment sofa in here but but i've seen so many great photos of like a big sofa but in a tight little room.

45:00What is the magic that's happening there? Because I don't understand it. I think a small room, I mean, small rooms for one are my absolute favorite spaces. Like I started designing in New York City, so I love small spaces. You can have so much, you can just go all the way in a small room, right? You can do, you can pattern drench, you can stripe drench, you can sofa drench, you can just go all the way. Where in a larger room, You have to balance it more. But I love just like a nook and a cranny and wrapping the sofa all the way around. It's so inviting and enveloping. They're really my favorite spaces.

45:38Is there a reason why a big sofa looks so good in there? Is it just like having fewer bigger items or? I think because it truly, the room becomes about the sofa, right? Like you don't have to balance it. It's kind of just, the sofa. That's the room. I love calling it sofa drenching. You're sofa drenching the room. I know. You guys, I think we just started something. But really it is because in a larger room, you've got like a game table and a different seating area and all the things, but in like a library or a nook, you can just go all the way with the sofa. What about rugs? I do think rugs are something that trip people up.

46:24What's your sort of thought on rugs? Rugs are hard too. I mean, I'd say generally speaking, a couple tricks we embody are because a lot of retail rugs max out at 10 by 14 and rooms, you know, a living room is usually larger than that. We'll do the double rug, which actually lends itself really well to a bigger room because then it kind of creates like a natural zone of two different seating spaces or two different zones. And that, and I think generally you just want like, you know, just a foot perimeter is ideal in a room. Of course you can have more. We actually funny enough love wall to wall and bedrooms.

47:12So you have no perimeter. It's just maximizes the cozy factor of a bedroom, which was funny. I recently had a builder who was like, wall to wall, really? And I'm like, well, yeah, I mean, think of like a Four Seasons. Like they've got wall to wall plush carpet. I mean, it's not, you know, it's not crazy if you think like it can be very luxe. It's just at some point in time, we started to associate it with not nice in the residential world. But I had a client who kind of brought me back around on it in bedrooms. But yeah, that's kind of our general gist on rugs. It seems like rugs are a really easy place to tape, you know, tape that off.

47:55Oh my gosh, hands down. Hands down. And I'd say the best way to make a rug, to really elevate a rug and make it look custom is to have them bind it on site and wrap it around your heart. If you can go, if you're going for like a Stanton or, you know, instead of an area rug, it's immediately kind of just takes it to another level to do that touch. And you can kind of go bigger, right? Because you're, if you were doing just a square, you would have to go smaller because of the hearth or a weird corner or something. but if you can have it custom then you can kind of get closer to the edge make the room feel bigger yeah exactly I think the first time I did that for a client I was like I feel kind of fancy that I'm doing a rug that chases around the the air returns there's something just looks very custom when you chase around the details of the room but a small rug like I feel like it kills the whole vibe yeah yeah unless it's awesome right i did get i want to say i have a four by six that was gifted to me a tibetan tiger and it's pretty awesome and it makes my foyer and any other if it didn't have that presence it would have to be bigger but because it's such a cool pattern statement yeah exactly like it works that's a good call out though i do agree there's something about there's the rug you purchased that doesn't fit the space it needs to change and then there's the cool very like statement rug thing i have one of those two that's just like a shaped zebra i've had it for 20 years at this point but like it's just a loop structure and it's still my favorite because he flops on top of like any other rug and he looks so fun like he's just funny and I love him so yes oh yeah oh and then one of the best tips somebody told me years ago I have no idea who told me this but it stayed with me is just to have there's always this question of well the furniture either has to be all the way on the rug or all the way off the rug right that's a huge one that stumps a lot of people.

50:14Stumped me for years. And then someone finally said, no, you have to have a piece or two that's half and half. If the rug is not going to encompass the whole room, you've got to have a piece of furniture that's partially on it, partially off it. Otherwise, it just looks like this rug island in the middle of your room. So now, and it's funny, I always find myself kind of pulling like wing chairs a little bit off and the clients or the cleaning ladies will want to put it back on and i'm like no no it's it's gonna straddle the two worlds rug world and it likes to not rug world yeah it likes to dip its feet on the floor just let it exactly exactly and it's like the perfect thing that works again that would does not work in floor plan and floor plan it looks crazy i totally would have never thought about that but that's a great tip and it does kind of make sense it's like it's like it needs something to like keep the rug down or something yeah just to kind of like it's truly to like bridge both worlds together of like the wood floor and the rug and then and now now i bet you'll notice that now that i pointed it out all right don't get cast away on rug island

51:33hi ladies i'd love your help making your guest room work better for occasional at-home work and zoom calls the room is small 11 and a half by 12 and dark blue which we are finding too gloomy for a work-at-home space and right now our zoom background includes a vanity piled with papers and the bathroom door what would you do in the space if you could do anything we like having a queen-size bed for guests but are open to any creative solutions. Please help us de-gloom our Zoom room. Christy from Virginia. Oh my gosh, you're so cute. I love her, her rhyming. Right. So yeah, she's got a queen bed kind of centered on a wall and then a desk in the corner.

52:14And then behind that desk is the bathroom door and sort of a vanity in between some windows. Okay, I'm dying to know if any of you all were thinking the same thing, but I read this and immediately thought Murphy bed. It's like the perfect room for a Murphy bed. We do so many work guest spaces because, you know, so many of us are like work from home now. and they're always like, well, I want a really nice day-to-day office, but I really want to be able to have a guest room or two guest rooms or whatever. And we did a Murphy bed at a client's and this was actually so fun where you have bookshelves on the side and then it pops up.

52:56And in this case, we actually secured art to it, like real art. And so they'll have to send you guys the photo of this room after the call. But literally when you pull it down, the art is like anchored into the Murphy bed. Fabulous. So you would never guess it is a Murphy bed, but the room had to double both ways. And then you can put your desk right in front, and then that can be your beautiful backdrop. You can do a really fun color on the bed. I mean, I love all the colors. I'm sure this will come to no surprise. But I do agree we went through a phase where we all wanted to do navy blue offices, but I don't find them very invigorating.

53:36So I get it. Zoom gloom. I'm with you. I think that like go bright, go red, go light. Like I love this is my living room doubles as my office. I love this pistachio. Before the pistachio, it was a bright yellow. I think it's, you just want fun and big rating colors because that's what you're doing in there usually. And your guests, they're only there for a couple nights. You don't want to make get too inviting um so it's kind of fun to be like an experience for the guests yeah so i think she should pick the color that she looks best in and paint that on the walls it's like wearing a shirt that's like your your most flattering color and in your color season and that should be the wall color because then it's gonna like which recently i heard is peach probably yeah we all look really good which is a hard sell like an apricot um but did y 'all see this um okay this is off topic but did y 'all see this whole uproar around the vanity fair oscar party where all the celebrities were upset because they changed like they picked a gray like a flat gray background color and the lighting was really bad and so they had all these like side-by-side photos of the celebrities at like the actual red carpet for the oscars where the background is peach and then the next photo you know four hours later on the gray background and they look absolutely horrible so you're right it's like they put the peach background as the color on the oscars you know um what do they call it a uh the step and return yeah like a yeah the step and return And that's because that was the color that was most flattering.

55:25So, yeah. But I bet that's probably contributing to the Zoom gloom in this room. If the Navy blue is throwing like a cast of blue on your face, that never feels great. Yeah. It was such a phase, right? We all lean really hard into the Navy offices. And then I finally remember being in a client's and I was like, It just kind of makes me want to take a nap in here. And I love, if you have a Navy office, I love your office. I thought you were going to say, I love a nap. And I was like, me too. Can I laugh too? How many high-powered clients are like, I really need a sofa in here because I like to work horizontally.

56:09I'm like, post-COVID world. That's hilarious. It doesn't matter what you're building hourly. Man. No, my husband has a darker colored office and there is enough light. But on a darker day that is not a sunny, happy day, he feels it too. He talks about it. But then we have like a mauve bedroom. And it is. It's just like it is a beautiful color and it makes you feel pretty in it. So I do love that. And then I was going to say, with your work and looking at your portfolio, you absolutely could do a sherbert peach wall all day. Like your clients would gobble it up. This is true. Yes. And it was predicted, we were just watching, that 2028 is all about orange.

56:58So from like sherberts and corals. I know. Think shrimp. What's the nail polish color? Cajun shrimp. Cajun shrimp. I just got that on my toes. yeah great as a toenail polish color but not as a wall color oh well it was just about it was it was in general for fashion so we'll say it will trickle okay okay that's acceptable i'll allow it it's a fun it that's a hard one to get right but that's it's a fun color when you do get it right it's like it's a classic sarah i too have cajun shrimp on my toes right now it's the best see wow but it's a toenail polish color not as a i don't know great great we'll check back and like i think it said 2028 was the prediction so we'll check we'll circle back on this guys and see how we feel two years from now that'll be so interesting because i feel like colors do kind of come in waves like that and the color that i'm always like i am never going to do anything with purple.

57:59Hi, my family owns purple. I mean, mauve. You know? Mauve sounds so hideous. Yes, right? Can't get enough of it now. I realize it's all about what color you give it, what you call it, right? Now they're like, reticchio. It's not purple. Because I remember I said seafoam to like an older client that was like, seafoam and, I don't know, desert rose. But they were like, I'm sorry, I'm just going to the 80s. I can only see the 80s right now. You were too young to really know it. And I'm like, no, I kind of know. I know exactly when the, like, Southwest vibe was so big. But now I'm like, we need a new name for that.

58:41Pistachio. Celadon. Pistachio. Yes. We're like, yes, we're going to sages and soft, yes, minerals. Yeah, exactly. I know, but that's the same thing with coral. It's the same, like, it gives me a little bit of an ugh, because, like, I've been through the coral phase. But just telling you what I'm trying to do. I didn't predict this. Somebody else. What were they calling? What was the shade that they were calling orange? They called it a burnt orange. But it was like when I looked at the pictures, it was like terracotta all the way to like Cajun shrimp. Like some of it was more vivid in their imagery.

59:21And then some were like, you just mean terracotta, which I thought we've been in. Yeah. We've been in this muddy for a while. Sorry for this tangent, but anyway, but yeah, they were calling it burnt orange. Yeah. Okay, sorry. Back to Christy's office. Yes, her office. Sorry. I'm sitting here looking at this layout. Okay, and I do love the idea of a Murphy bed. I will say if she can face her, like if she is looking at the windows, she's going to have the most flattering light on her face. So if she puts the windows behind her like I'm doing right now, then it backlights you. You really want the light coming at your face.

1:00:07Which actually, not plugging my Murphy bed, but it does sort of lend itself. Totally. Put the Murphy bed up and then float your desk. We do a lot of day beds, too, because the Murphy bed obviously requires a built-in, which is a bigger investment to do millwork. But we love a day bed. I just did one actually in my husband's office. It's like a day bed that pops out and up, like an old-school trundle but way smoother. And that's a great sort of – we do that a lot. But where it's just nice, you know, when you spend every day in your office, it's nice to float your desk. And the daybed up against the wall allows you to do that.

1:00:49Because, I don't know, then you might as well feel like a big boss lady in your office. Yeah. Y 'all, there is the cutest Amazon daybed that I've been seeing all over my algorithms. It's like a gingham with a scallop top. Oh, yeah. Cute. There's a mine, too. Yeah. Yeah, it's I feel like that would be something like that would be a great choice because like it's fun. It's not expensive. Get a really good mattress. And it does depend how often I think somebody's sleeping in here. Like when you say like guest, are you doing once or twice a year or is this something someone comes monthly? Because I do.

1:01:29I think we even offer or did offer a sofa that popped up in the bed. No. Anyway. But even if it's not a pop-up, even if it's like a full bed or day bed or sofa, kind of, I don't know, I love that sort of can go either way, furniture piece. I know. A day bed, too, is so great for lounging. Not said personally. Taking a nap. Not that I would ever do that. Mm-mm. It really, it's so good. I'm like, I won't tell your clients. I know. Just don't be mad at me if I'm billing you horizontally. I bet. I bet. That'd be a fun question for designers. How many of us work from bed? Yeah. You're overworked. We're creatives, right?

1:02:21We're either on or we're not on. Yeah. So what do you do in a not on day? Where do you work from? This is. That'd be a fun. I feel like the answer to those questions should be like, you know, under the cone of silence. Like it's. Yeah. You're not forced to disclose. Hard one. Yeah. So she did note in here this from our guest or whatever. She said that the house next door is 15 feet away. So it is a limited amount of light in there. And I think because the layout of the closet, you really are in like a pickle of like attached to the private. Like her real background, she says, is a vanity with stuff piled on it.

1:03:04But then like behind that's a door to the private bathroom. So like none of these backgrounds are like. Great. I was only my only other thought was could she move the queen bed to where the desk is and like kind of give up a nightstand and sort of a way if she can get it by the swing door and then she could put her desk on the bedroom wall and then she could put a part over the vanity. like if if she wants to keep the big bed i still think the murphy bed does make it so she could reinvent the space to be her own so like if that is something that works for her i think that's a great one because then she can put in a bigger desk she can make this her own room um but if she can't do that i'm wondering if she could swing that if it's big enough to get that bed on the other wall i love that like that's such a great way and then that really makes the the zone around the queen bed kind of your office zone right with the desk over there so taran you're saying put the queen bed between the windows or you're saying put it where the desk is i mean whichever way she could so she could get a better background is my like because if this is your work office and like i get that part of like constantly cleaning up your bedroom we have somebody we work with who has it but um who's always on zoom and she actually has a screen she's put up because she has one of those massive master bedrooms though so like the desk easily fits but you don't want your co-workers looking at your bed so it becomes this like what i should be utilizing this space it works fine so she put up this like screen to make a faux wall and has hung art on it to make it a little more but again that doesn't work in this space either i'm also a big fan of a two-sided desk where you've got i actually have that in here because this is the you know but like that's a very sexy wall right so i'm like no i'd rather sit and face like put the colors behind oh i think your buildings are very cute too well maybe just because they're they're so white for a color girl I'm like you.

1:05:18You're like, I can't have my white shelves. Absolutely not. You're so white. I'm like, maybe if I paint them some, if I color drench in here. Yeah, exactly. But it's kind of perfect for like, pick your Zoom boys in, which way you're going to face today. Or you could just swing your chair to either side, right? So Taryn, you're saying put the bed on the wall between the windows and then put the desk as the nightstand. like potentially like i would play i love that idea because also that puts the light in her facing her face you know and it might not work again she might not work she's gonna have to play but she's obviously playing in a room planner so i'm sure she can kind of scoot everything around and see if like smaller nightstands maybe she doesn't need the vanity in there that would give work up some more space that she could do a more linear desk in there um or the vanity could become the nightstand that's true because yeah because we just have a floor plan so we don't actually know um right yeah so i'm dying to know do we get follow-up on this i want to know where yeah christy where is she let us know what happens christy yeah and if you don't like this plan send more images of the room send images of the room and what your backdrop is currently and let us like help you a little bit more because I feel like yeah I feel invested like do these does this furniture exist is this because I always say I'm always willing to work around like your heirloom pieces you know sometimes you're like I've had this bed forever came from blah blah blah you know it was my first big purchase or it came from my parents childhood bedroom you know and I'm like well that's cool that's that's got provenance let's make that work in the space.

1:07:08Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I'm dying to hear now. Christy, you have to tell us where you land. Yes, for sure. Okay. Sarah, tell everyone where they can find you, follow you and see your work. Instagram seems to be the jam. Oh my gosh. Look at that. Didn't mean to rhyme that. Or just our website, saraville.com. But we're always trying to keep fun, fresh content on Instagram. Our latest is a walkthrough of a home we did in Lincoln Park that was just like a very quick preview to the house. And it's been fun. It's been generating a lot of buzz. People have been excited about it. Yeah. Your website is beautiful.

1:07:53So I think people really get an idea of like the depth of your color loving from there too. So I hope everyone goes and visits your website because it's gorgeous. Yeah. Well, thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much for having me. This has been so my very first podcast. You'll always remember your first podcast. Thank you, ladies. No, thank you. I made it so easy. This is fun. And that's our show. You can find all of the show notes on our blog, howtodecorate.com slash podcast. To send in a decorating dilemma, email your questions to podcast at Ballarddesigns.net so we can help you with your space.

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