Ep. 474: Best of Archives: Our Ultimate Bedding Guide

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0:34Hi, listeners. Welcome back to the show. A little note from our team. We're taking a short summer break in the month of July, but we did not want to leave you without your weekly design inspiration. So we're re-airing some of our best and most beloved episodes. If you've heard them before, we think they're worth a re-listen, and if you haven't, you don't want to miss these. Today, we're talking about a topic I am personally very passionate about. With the help of our in-house bedding expert, we're breaking down everything you need to know to create a beautiful layered bed, the kind you see in catalogs and wonder how they did that.

1:05We're talking about thread counts, materials, how to layer and mix textures, and how to arrange pillows depending on your bed size. It's one you don't want to miss, and let's get to the show. Okay, so I am very excited about today's episode because this is a topic I'm very passionate about. as you've probably gathered over the years, but we have our in-house bedding and bath expert here today. Her name is Amy Jordan. She's been at Ballard for nine years and she is our bedding and bath and soft goods. But for the purposes of this podcast, she's our bedding expert. So she with Taryn's team, they design all of the products.

1:43They figure out like, what are we missing? What do we need? She knows everything about thread counts and materials and mixing and matching. She also designs all of those gorgeous beds in the catalog that have quilts and duvets and shams, and they're all perfectly mixed and matched. She picks them all out, and so she knows what goes together, what makes the perfect mix. And so we're going to get into everything bedding and bath today. If you're trying to create the perfect little nest for your guest room or your primary bedroom, we have all the answers for you today. So Amy, Thank you for joining us.

2:20That was so nice. I feel so good about myself right now. You also have two. Okay. I do also think that at some point, probably towards the end of the show, we should talk about kids beds. Because I do feel like that is a whole other world. And you have two kids, two little girls. So we can kick that around. Yeah. I think we should start with materials. You're picking out your bedding for your bed. Like, how do you... I want to talk about the intersection of, like, how you want it to feel when you're sleeping. And how you want your bed to look. Because I do feel like sometimes, as we were talking about before the show started, sometimes those things intersect.

2:56Sometimes they don't. Yeah. And how do you balance that? Yeah. So I feel like everybody's dream is to have your bedding look like what you've seen in a catalog or what you saw in some shelter magazine or something like that. And it's tricky because if you're like me, I sleep like a thousand degrees. So I can't have a sheet, a coverlet, a duvet cover, and a quilt. and sleep with all of it and survive. So I think figuring out how you're going to make your bed look pretty while having it function to whatever your needs are is tricky. So either you make it how you want it to look and then you take half that stuff off every night when you're going to sleep or you can make your guest room look fabulous and just put your guests through the ringer when they come stay with you.

3:42Just turn your AC way down. I mean, there's differences in materials that some are more breathable and some are a little warmer. and you can make those selections as well. And thinking of duvet inserts and they make all different kinds of duvet inserts now that are lightweight or heavyweight or fluffy or not as fluffy. So there are some options, but to an extent, I feel like if you're going for a look, you're going to have to figure out a way to deal with either taking it off or sleeping through the heat. Okay, then what are like the main bedding materials like for sheets and the bed linens? Yeah.

4:16And then we can get into like inserts and pillows and those type of materials later. But let's start with what are the big ones that you need to know and what are the qualities about them that will help you understand what to try? So I think for our customer, what we've seen, what sells best at Ballard is percale. So percale is a cotton. It's a one over one weave. So meaning there's one thread that goes over the warp and one that goes over the weft. And I talk to that because that essentially just means it's more breathable. So percale tends to be crisp. Like people always make the comparison that it's your crisp white button-up shirt.

4:50It sleeps cooler. It can wrinkle a little bit, but I think sheets have come a long way. They have finishes now and they go through washing processes that can help reduce the wrinkling. But it does tend to wrinkle more than some of the other fabrications. And it doesn't really have a sheen to it. It's fairly flat. And then sateen is the other pretty widely known one. So sateen tends to have a little more of a sheen to it. And the reason that is, is it's three yarns woven over every opposite yarn. And that gives it that shine. It also makes it warmer because it's a really tight weave. So sateen sheets tend to sleep a little hotter, though they are super smooth.

5:26I kind of think sateen has a little bit more of a formal look just because it does have that sheen to it. But that's another one where I feel like now there's a lot of different washes that they can do to a sheet. We've got a sheet set at Ballard that is a sateen, but it's been through this wash. and it gives it this really, it makes the sheen a little subtle. So it doesn't have that look as much. And then linen, of course, linen also is super breathable. It's a little more eco-friendly, more sustainable in its production, which is always nice. And it's actually really strong. So your linen sheets are typically going to last longer than some of your cotton sheets are going to last.

5:59But I do think the trick to linen is knowing that it's not always going to feel soft as soon as you get it, you have to wash it and it just feels better. Like the more you wash it, but linen for sure interesting i did not i am surprised to find it lasts longer because i feel like linen as an upholstery material is has a lowest lifespan that i guess just within context i do feel like it's for upholstery you could see that the deconstruction or the softening of the linen probably didn't lend itself to a sofa whereas with your bedding you're wanting it to get softer and to break down that stiffness a little bit and aren't you drawing your bedding per se too yeah yeah we do have to talk about care i was just thinking i guess on your upholstery you might be like again where and then yeah maybe you're washing a little part of it that got a stain or something washing and you're not getting i was just thinking with my linen bedding and i just have the ballard duvet and shams and it's definitely become even softer for sure but i dry it it's tight where i feel like on my upholstery my linen has opened to your point and got saggy I don't know.

7:06Anyway, I don't know if that's how you're supposed to care about it. So please fix me there too. I care the same way. I'm all for ease. And I do feel like half the time I'm breaking the rules on how they say to take care of it. I'm testing my way into it. Let me just see what happens if I wash it one time because I'd rather not dry clean it. But so I feel like those are the three like most common materials. I think you're seeing some bamboo. Yeah, for sheeting. Some bamboo coming about now. It seems to be a little bit more popular of a material. I think that tends to have the feel of sateen. like it has a little bit of silkiness to the feel, but it looks a little more casual to me than sateen does.

7:40And then of course, you'd have silk sheets and things like that. But I feel like those aren't as practical and not common for that reason. What about the care of those three? Like we talked about linen and percale being a little bit wrinkly. How is the care methods of three of those different? I think they're fairly similar. I think I'm not as big of an expert on this, I feel like. But I do feel like linen, you're supposed to be careful with bleach that you can really damage the fiber if you're bleaching it. Which for me, I love white bedding because I have a dog and I have kids and you can just bleach everything out of it.

8:15So that I think if you do bleach, it's possible it's just going to break down faster. You'll get holes in it eventually, but it might be a work. But you're talking about like actual bleach. Like OxyClean doesn't really count as bleach, does it? Yeah. Do you feel like OxyClean works better? I'm torn on this. oh i love oxyclean dude if we get cancer it's because of this is it no i i need the tricks i mean one of the cleaning experts and find out all these tricks for getting stains out yeah we do need that's a good idea we should have a cleaning oh that'd be amazing next time yeah okay what about okay those are sheating materials but i feel like there's a little bit more variety in terms of like your coverlets your comforters do they yeah i feel like those are still mostly what you're going to see for duvet.

9:04I feel like duvet covers match back to the sheeting materials for the most part. Ours do, especially. But I do think coverlets and quilts, you then get into some different materials. So coverlets, I think most of ours are probably cotton, woven cottons. You may have some linen coverlets. I feel like that's definitely a trend right now is having a linen bedspreader coverlet that drifts or floats all the way down to the

9:30cotton or linen, I think for coverlets. And then for quilts, they tend to be thinner fabrics because you have that fill. So you're not wanting a super thick fabric plus a fill plus a super thick fabric. It's going to be too hot. So I think a lot of quilts are out of lighter weight cottons or a linen cotton blend, some linens. I don't think you'll see as many sateens there. It'd be pretty hot. And then you can have different fills too for your quilts. They can be a cotton fill or they can be a polyfill and those both have different properties like as far as how fluffy they are how warm they are how tightly you can quilt with them i have questions only because as you dive into this so quilt has a fill duvet is where you put an insert a coverlet what's the difference between a matlissé and a coverlet or is a is a matlissé a coverlet i don't know what it is oh gosh i think in matliss they can qualify as a coverlet but it's a more specific construction whereas to me like a coverlet i think you can get away with a lot of things being classified as a coverlet like the linen one that i'm talking about is essentially like a thicker flat sheet yeah it's like a blanket i definitely think a coverlet can have fill it's just tends to be super thin okay yeah so i think in general a coverlet's going to be a lot lighter in weight than a quilt and physically thinner okay and it's interesting you mentioned the quilt having a fill because i guess i always think of a quilt as just being like a flat i think of quilting things together i didn't realize obviously i knew there was a fill because i have quilts and there's a layer in between like it's three layers right there's like the thin soft and then there's like the fill of it i always think of it as being like things being quilted i guess there are quilts that would not have filled, like a Kantha quilt from India is typically saris woven together and they may have some other material, but they're thin.

11:22So it's not even, it wouldn't even be a material. I think it's fabric that they weave in between those. And so it tends to be really thin, but it's not, it doesn't have a cotton or a poly. Okay. Let's talk about layering your bed. Okay. Where do you start? What do you think of as the bare bones of what you need? And then maybe we It can go from there in terms of making it like, let's get all the way to a full on catalog bed with a million layers, probably impractical to sleep with, but it looks beautiful. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think, of course, the bare minimum would be sheets, a sheet set, a duvet cover or a quilt or a coverlet.

12:01If you go with, I think it's easier to get a good looking, more professional looking bed if you're using a duvet that has the volume to it. and it gives your bed this like lofty, dreamy look to it. I think it's harder to make your bed look beautiful when you're working with really thin layers. It's possible for sure. But I do feel like that's a harder look to achieve without just the most perfectly designed bedding for your bed. It's all the right length, et cetera, et cetera. So I generally will do sheets, a duvet cover, and then layer from there. Typically your duvet cover, you're going to buy at least one set of shams.

12:41that kind of coordinates or it doesn't have to coordinate, but a set of shams that's not pillowcase. But we can get into pillow arrangements later too, because I think sometimes people will just do sheets, a couple of stacked pillowcases and call it a day and then just have a top of bed duvet cover or cover letter quilt. But yeah, generally, I think you'll see that people want to match their shams to whatever's more at the foot of the bed. Okay, so you got your sheets, you have a duvet cover and matching shams. Got it. what's that's the bare minimum then I would say you could either do a coverlet under the duvet cover and really to style that I would typically pull the duvet cover down fold it down so it's on half of the bed or you could fold it down just some to show a peak of that coverlet at the top but you do you're adding a coverlet not just for comfort but to have maybe a contrast color or just something to break up the whole duvet because I tend to think if you've got a bed that only has one duvet on it.

13:37It's just this big blob that's really distracting in the room. It's nice to have it broken up and that color broken up. So I think that's one option. Or of course, a lot of people like to drape things more at the foot of the bed to have a quilt or something that's got some movement to it. So a quilt or a coverlet that's draped at the foot of the bed, if you'd rather have it there. And maybe that's easier for somebody that's doing it more for a look and not for warmth or function. Okay. So I learned a term yesterday when we were looking at photography. the corner of whatever you have draped over the end you have a quilt draped over the edge of the bed it's called the bell yeah the bell of the bed like a fold that kind of makes a an outer triangle over the corner does that make sense but when you drape the you when you drape the quilts over the edge of the foot of the bed pull out the corners like a triangle and makes a triangle fold at the end so that if you have corner detailing on your duvet or quilt that you can see that so like we have the greek key bedding and we always like to show that like that corner detail there and that's Okay.

14:53That's how you... So there's a certain way you have to make it in order to show that. So you pop that corner out a bit. And I feel like that's a way to show from a catalog. When you're photographing bedding, it's so hard for us to show the way something feels. And so you want, if it's perfectly crisp in all the corners, you don't really get an idea of like how it drapes. And I feel like the bell of the bed helps show like how something drapes and if it's thin or thick. And it's just a pretty moment. Yeah, I think it does. That's just, it makes a pretty moment. Almost like when you are getting dressed and you have a beautiful skirt on or something that you'd like floof it out.

15:29And it's just, yeah, it's just really beautiful. Yeah. It's a nice touch. Then you add like a coverlet or something. What should one think about when they're mixing materials? If you've done like a prequel sheet and duvet, like do you need to add that texture of a quilt or like a waffle or should you keep it? No, I definitely think it's nice to add texture. Something that really changes the look and again, breaks that monotony of one duvet cover across the bed. I think textures are having a moment right now. We certainly have introduced a lot more textures and the waffle is back. I think that went away for a while.

16:09Yeah, I definitely think it's, to your point, nice to introduce some texture. And that can also happen not necessarily through the way something is woven, but the way it's quilted. But if you're not adding texture, I think you can add pattern. If you've got a solid duvet cover, you can add some, just an accent of pattern if you didn't want something too loud for your room. It's a good spot to just have an accent of something without fully committing to that look for a bedroom. I like what you said earlier about if you only have a duvet, it's just like a big blob. I feel like if you look through bedding images, like just beautiful beds, it tends to be at least the bed is cut in half.

16:45Usually I would say it's cut in thirds. So like you have your sheets at the top, like close to the headboard with your pillows. And then you've got like your middle third. Sorry, I'm making gestures. You've got like your middle third, which is maybe like your quilted or your pattern or something. And then you have the fluffy duvet at the bottom third. Because especially if you have a king, that's a lot of real estate. And if it's just one solid material, yeah, it looks like it looks weird. I don't know. I think some of that depends on your room. If you've got a loud room where you have tons of art or wallpaper or something, then it may be great for you to have just something really simple and classic.

17:22But I'm sure most of us probably have a solid color on the wall and a piece of art here or there. So it's nice to have something on the bed, but it's a lot if it's all one pattern or one color. And I think that's another thing, too, is maybe there's, I think if you really looked at catalogs and shelter magazines and the way beds are styled, probably something that customers wouldn't immediately think was, I think customers tend to buy duvet cover matching shams, throw it on the bed, and think that's like, that's it, that you can be done there. But I think what really makes the bed feel special is when you are mixing and matching and breaking up that pattern.

18:03So that's really how we show things in our catalog. It's how we sell it. It's how we've created our whole bedding collection is focusing in on colors that are consistent across different collections to pick a pattern that goes with this pattern and know that the colors are going to mix together because it looks good on the bed to have a break in the eye. like you said the beds split into thirds and it's nice to just not have all over pattern it's a lot to have just everything be the same but to each their own i mean sometimes sometimes that's also a look where you'll see drapery wallpaper bedding all in the same all in the same pattern how do i layer my pillows when you're talking about this because do i stack them do i put them in front of each other which way are these which way are my pillows supposed to go i'm so confused there's not supposed to.

18:51I feel like there's a million options. We have thought about could we put together some kind of simple cheat sheet for customers? If you have a queen, you can do two standard pillows in the back and you can have two euros in the front and then some kind of throw pillow accent in front of that. Or you can do the euros in the back and you can do your standard pillows in the front. I feel like king beds, I love to see three euros all the way across the front. I feel like that's so clean looking and it has a real tailored look to it. But I think this to your question stacked pillows in the back I feel like that tends to have a little more of a you tend to see that like on a more modern looking bed a little less traditional okay here's here's my thought on those stacked pillows though I feel like that only looks good if your pillows are like fluffy brand new and fluffy yeah like you know what I mean like loose and sloppy looking I don't know I just feel like my personally my pillows maybe I need to refresh But they don't look great like that.

19:49I don't know. I feel like they only look like that in pictures. I like them standing on better. Anyway, I'm sorry. Continue. But I feel like even upright can be tricky sometimes. Yeah. Sometimes the flange is fluffy. Because I want mine to be super upright. Oh, yeah. But that's where the euro helps. The euro helps them stay upright. Stay up. Yeah. Yeah. It's like extra support. Yeah. That's a good point. So get a fluffy pillow if you're going to do the stack pillow. Okay. And then if I want to do, this is a personal choice, right? If I want to do three euros versus two king shams on a king bed?

20:23Yes. And I think you could do all of it. Your husband might hate you and think you're ridiculous, but. Okay. You know what? I've got my husband on board now with pillows. Do you? Yeah. It's like, it's like a whole, I have no idea. I kind of put too many on the bed at one point. and then we compromised and found a good place where we are right now. So we've got two kings and then our standard pillows and then a long lumbar and then two little velvet lumbars that kind of... That's a lot of pillows. So did you have more than that at some point? I think we did. I think we did. And I think that the lumbar was the one that made it all okay because it's just putting one and a double is a body pillow which is nice yeah i i love a long lumbar i feel like it's such a clean easy look for and finished i think that really started as a designer custom product you know so it's got this elevated look that you used to only see in magazines and such and now it's now it's now you can buy it elsewhere nice but but to your point it has a functional yeah thing because it's just the one or if it doesn't it's just one pillow that you can remove and it's not like eight throw pillows that you then have to toss off the bed right listen it worked for me yeah how it turned his mind around even though it was just one less pillow it worked great i was gonna say i wish the lumbar was part of that the norm of bedding now because I do love the really long lumbars and the way they look.

22:02So to your point, yes, they're more readily available, but I do wish they were part of that like where you're like, oh, and then I have to get the lumbar because anyway, it just looks so good. Like you wish it was available in the same pattern as the bedding or just you wish it was more readily available in everything? In everything. That's what I meant. Just the general. Yeah. I want one on every bed. I feel like it's getting there. Yep. Yeah. See, I like having, I don't want my lumbar to match back to the bedding. I want the lumbar to be like. The accent? like mine is like a velvet like a cut velvet designer fabric because i often feel like your bedroom has less fabric vehicles than like your and i just i guess i like more pattern mixing but like your living room you've got like a rug your sofa the chairs the drapes like the pillows and there's less of that in the bedroom and so i want to like get a cool funky pattern or something in there anyway yeah no i agree my lumbar is not i'm i feel like i'm in a very anti-matchy stage i can really appreciate that look but for my own house i don't do it as much yeah i like a really layered pattern pattern on pattern lots of different patterns and heidi who did it's heidi kalier i don't know if i'm saying her last name right her the way she makes a bed what is everyone's dream bed designer that's a good one but a hard one you know who i love katie ritter has great beds she has a lot of color and a lot of pattern on her bed so she like does a lot of formula she does have a formula what's the formula she always uses a quilt she's really into quilts so sometimes she'll mix two quilts she definitely does like almost every bed i feel like has a quilt sheets turned down the sheets have the colored border that coordinates to the quilt i think she does everything properly custom because she's amazing but and then and same with the duvet like the duvet has an unusual embroidered trim that has whether it's like a spicy orange that has an end but yeah it but it is very tailored she talks everything in right where everything is under the mattress yes and then she has a covered box spring and or skirt yes and she did mention on our podcast episode that she's really particular about the the type of mattress that she gets them custom made for her clients because she finds that mattresses are too deep thick.

24:31Yeah, they're too deep and they look weird. What's the standard depth that a mattress should be for our bedding? There is no standard depth. Our sheet sets are super generous with the fitted sheet. If you read the reviews on our sheet sets, they're really meant to, they have a really deep pocket. They're meant to accommodate the wide range of mattress steps that are available now. I think the challenge for me is, and we've had a few complaints and even like people around the office, my husband nuts too, is king size duvet covers, getting your king size duvet cover to reach the bottom of the mattress.

25:07It's a challenge because mattresses are so tall now. And a king size typically is using the widest width fabric that you can weave so that's why there's like a limit to how long a king to big cover can drape because the machines that weave the fabric are only so wide so then you're either adding a seam to get extra length which not everybody really wants a seam or you're stuck with something that's a little shorter so the mattress people really just need to get on board with that is that was one of my questions was going to be i hate that my coverlet is just not is not long enough and so long enough to caroline was saying about katie ritter i have to tuck it in to make my bed look finished because otherwise it's just like an inch like long where it like now hits my bed rail that's upholstered and anyway it looks weird so it needs to be tucked in but there's not enough to tuck or barely and then i'm and then on a king too which is a 76 by 80 or whatever it's almost a square so when you're making your bed you're like which way is width which way i know to the tip for that i have okay i have a theory slash tip and i want to see if amy confirms it okay my i think that the tag is always in the bottom right corner for every vendor or for ballard oh that's what you know i don't know about for both i feel like standard typically so that's how i do it like okay if i find the tag it's in the bottom right corner so that's how i know which orientation i don't know if that's true or not but that's i've seen a few that have a tag that says helps you orient orient your betting this is the bottom that's what i mean yeah amy is that true or not it's true for ballard but i don't know you You will place.

27:00Okay. I found it to be pretty standard. Yeah. I found it to be pretty standard. Now, granted, for the last nine years, because I've been a Ballard and I'm not too old, I'm about Ballard beddings. Although I do sometimes get Garnet Hill. Sometimes Garnet Hill. I do like the bedding. It's okay, sister brand. So, yes, ours is always bottom. So, I do feel like that is an easy way to remember. Okay. No. Yeah. But then you have to find the tag. Yeah. I'm with you, Taryn. True. It's easier to find the tag the first time than to put your bedding on the wrong way and then have to redo it. I have also watched our video on doing a box or not a box spring cover, but a fitted sheet.

27:38And I still can't. I still can't make it. I don't know if I'm just not remembering it, but it still ends up being sloppy. It'll never be as neat as yours, Caroline. Oh, she could. She is deep. I'm very particular about bed making, I will say. So what are we supposed to do? on the box spring, by the way, because you brought that up. What are we supposed to be doing on box springs? Covering them? We're supposed to sheet them? What's supposed to happen? Yeah. Oh, on the box spring? Okay. Yes. I think if your box spring is visible, which I think a lot of them are now that we're sort of like moving towards beds and away from headboards, I feel like people are tending to buy more beds now.

28:17Either get a box spring that's a low profile that's not visible, which may help some of your challenges with making your bed. if you have a really deep mattress. But if you have a box spring already and it's showing you don't want to buy a new one, which would probably be me, then yeah, just get a box spring cover and a really simple fabric. I think a basic... No, box springs are so cheap. Yeah, they are cheap. It would probably be cheaper to buy a new box spring rather than buy some box spring cover. To buy a custom one, yes. But you can get a pretty cheap box spring. What is the purpose of a box spring?

28:49To provide extra support for your mattress so that it's not going to sag. they're starting to make mattresses now that don't need them if you've got a platform bed or something but in general it's to just provide additional support for your mattress you can i do i'm fully in support of the low profile box spring it's so much easier i also like my bed being lower to the ground oh hi so yeah see i'm yeah so labor day was just this past weekend i was like oh i'm gonna go look for a box spring and maybe i'll get yeah and then my husband was like what are you doing i was like i want and he's no and like so we're yeah oh how divided box spring which we got almost just a year and a half ago was the one with that that's all metal and then you put a sleeve around it so you build it it's all metal framing and then you just yeah it comes like yeah when davy ordered it it was easy and it's so easy to lift because we i had Max clean last week and I just put my rug back under my bed.

29:51And of course we tried to put it under the bed the first time with the bed and the mattress all on and was like, this is actually impossible. We're going to get divorced. So we took the mattress off, took the bedding off. And you take the box spring and it like flies because it's just literally the most light aluminum, but it holds the bed or the mattress great. I was just shocked. That was all. I was like what is this i remember when he bought it being like no this isn't a black spring no honey this is it's really inventive the way they've done this yeah cheap shipping i am with you taryn and i'm so glad people are buying more beds instead of headboards i personally find that to be a key element of making my bed look better and like the uh bed making process yeah easier I just think it looks so much better I don't know if there's anything more annoying than a bed skirt That like it moves around It's like up an inch on one side And too saggy on one side Like it just Oh my gosh Like it gets dog hair on it Then it gets wrinkled in one place Washing it is a freaking nightmare You gotta iron it I hate them I hate them with a passion I mean I love Visually I love it If you have the bed skirt that really has an amazing pattern on it or the pattern coordinates to the headboard or it's actually a thought out design detail.

31:13But if that's not your look, then I'm with you. A bed so much easier. Yeah, but even if like, okay, if you do an upholstered bed, just get the upholstered bed rails. Okay, I come, my house has a lack of storage. I value my underbed bed. That's a great, I also just have hand me down headboards that I'm like, we're making these happen. Yeah. yeah i still have a headboard that i made 10 years ago with my dad yeah like a like one of those like DIY projects awesome yeah okay so we went over box springs is there anything yeah is there any tricks or tips on the skirts in place keeping a skirt in place oh keeping the skirt in place i'm sure there are i mean i would think you could velcro it or to the box spring have double-sided velcro or something like that but i feel like it's more one of screws oh it's like a it's like a little screw that screws into i think you have to have a wood screws yeah kind of that makes sense but you'd have to have a wooden spring oh yeah because they're because it's like a little corks i had an explorer growing up and i was a very old explorer and the top the top part of my car the roofing of the inside roofing it like billowed with the winder cells because it was that old and so i have yes the corkscrew things that went up into the ceiling of my car that's the last time we used them that's a great tip those things are great i don't find them to be that effective but it's been a while i tried it once and it worked out great for me but maybe i was doing you wrong maybe the bed skirt wasn't used often yeah yeah like where you're not making a story yeah the moral of the story is put all the effort into the guest room for the like the really wow moment and then make the king bedroom very easy to do just keep walking past the guest room being yeah well that means perfectly to what are we doing for our kids rooms and rooms that again are getting a little more beaten?

33:22What are we using material-wise and layering? Yeah, I'm a big fan of the European style where there's no sheet, there's a flat sheet, there's a duvet cover. I'm not having to wash as much with my kids personally. They're three and a half and five. They don't know how to make their beds, but I don't like it looking sloppy, so I want it to be made. So it's a little easier for them if they just have the duvet that they pull up and call it a day. Okay, so then how often are you washing the duvet cover? Because that's my only question about the european methods i hate restuffing the duvet covers then do i have to restuff the duvet more often i probably wash them like every depending on what kind of what's happening in the bed i don't know every like couple of weeks probably yeah every week too i feel like the flat sheets what's really getting beat up so that's getting washed a bunch but we also have at our house we have a like a lofted bed set up their beds are on top of each other and daisy's is lofted So her mattress is like sunken into, it's got like a cutout with wood all around it.

34:20It is a piece to make up. I've been there with that. I love it. It's like my dream bedroom. I always wanted something like that as a kid. But making that bed and getting it remade is... It's tough. Yeah. So what are you putting in your kids' do-base? What is the actual insert? Oh, I just have like a pretty lightweight. My kids sleep hot. I feel like a lot of kids probably sleep hot. So it's just like a lightweight polyester insert. I didn't know if there was a certain thing we should be putting inside our duvets. And what are our options of what we put inside the duvet? Anything? I feel like you're putting your duvet insert in there.