Ep. 478: Decorating as Composition with Lauren Wodicka

19:29Taryn McGowan:I like when we have, like, a great friendship. And we're building this home together, all parts of it, you know. So this new project that I'm getting ready to start on, that, you know, we've sort of started, I'm just so excited about it. The family is so cool. I told them, like, we've got to become friends. I want you to share things with me. Where do you travel? You know, do you like to dress up or are you casual? Do you, where do you like to travel? What do your kids like to do? What do you do as a family? you know like lots of different questions what do you do on the weekend do you have a hobby um do you cook you know i mean lots of lots of questions and from there you can kind of start like if someone loves the outdoors and loves to go hiking and goes to national parks they you can bring some of that into the design plan now you say on your on your

20:35Liz McGowan:website, you talk about the emphasis on creating spaces that are, you know, that have that longevity and have a lot of character and you really have that like lived in. Say people would like to create that lived in. How could they go about kind of bringing that into their space?

20:54Taryn McGowan:I don't know if it's from living in Italy or if it's probably a combination of first living in Italy. And then secondly, my antique shop years ago. And now, I mean, I still buy antiques all the time. I've had the car loaded three times in the past week with antique customers. My living room over there, you don't want to see right now because it's going to different projects at the end of this week. And so this is just like a quick resting space for it. But I lived, when I moved to Florence. I lived in one of the upper floors of a palazzo with seven other girls that I had met from all over the country.

21:38Taryn McGowan:And it was a beautiful building attached to Santo Spirito Church on the other side of the bridge in Florence. It had the most rickety old elevator that felt like a cage that I've ever seen. It was, everything was marble, but it was, and you went up to our level and the apartment was basically empty, but it had these huge windows that opened up onto the terrace that were all crusty. It had old marble floors that had so much stain on them, but they were these white veined floors that were just so beautiful. And we had to light the stove with a match. I mean, I slept on a cot in the attic with my roommate, with my girlfriend for, you know, that season.

22:25Taryn McGowan:But there was a stained glass window that you could look into the church and hear the organs playing. And that was where Michelangelo had, he had been secretly allowed to go in and study in the basement the cadavers to learn the muscular structure of humans so that he could then create things like the David and, you know, other famous pieces. So it just was so much history, and it was lived in. And, you know, we are here, and people talk about being worried about putting marble in because it's going to get dinged and damaged. And I just think, but I was in a palazzo that was from the late 1400s, and it was beautiful still.

23:11So that and then antiquing.

23:14Taryn McGowan:I love old, chippy, crusty, or gilded, you know, smoky pitted mirrors and furniture with old marble tops. You know, I love all of that. And then I love it all juxtaposed with something more new and clean. And I think that's a way to have a nice balance that feels fresh and new again while still paying tribute to the past. And I think that also gives a home a sense of place and creates a welcoming environment when you have a little bit of a mix and it doesn't feel all new. Even when homeowners want all new, I still try to make something feel a little old, you know? I think it's charming.

24:08Liz McGowan:Yeah. And what pieces will you, like, what are you always craving or putting, what do you find yourself repeatedly, like, looking for antiquing-wise that are great pieces to put in?

24:17Taryn McGowan:I think a beautiful antique stained foyer chest of some sort, like it could be English, it could be French, it could be early American. I think that's a great spot for something right when you walk in the door. Or maybe it's a new console with, you know, upholstered ottomans, but you've got some fabulous antique mirror hanging above. I used to buy antique picture frames just to put my art in because I loved that balance of a more contemporary painting with an older frame. I mean, I don't think your pillows should be old. I mean, obviously, you know, there are certain things that should definitely be new.

25:03Taryn McGowan:I think if you like to collect, you could start collecting pottery. That's something small that's old. Some people like beautiful English inlaid boxes that you could put in a built-in amongst all your books. That would be something fun to collect. Dishes that go up on, I clearly have an obsession. This room is filled with brown and white Staffordshire English dishes on the wall. I've always, I mean, I've had them for 20 plus years. You can pick those up as you're, you know, poking around or antiquing or traveling over time. That's a good one. Yeah, I like that. Even if it's old candlesticks, you know.

25:49Taryn McGowan:But I like that balance of new and old.

25:53Lauren Wodicka:All of those things that you mentioned are all manageable, too. They can be relatively small and look great as groupings of like items or mixed together.

26:05Taryn McGowan:I think old mirrors is a good one, because you can find those. Like, if you poke around, even if it's something small. Also, for someone who's trying to acquire artwork, you know, buying antique artwork can sometimes be a great way to not spend as much money and hunt and collect. You know, if you pop in little antique shops or even those like antique malls, sometimes you can find great, like I see behind you. Great artwork behind you. And you can acquire a collection, you know, with not always spending top dollar or going to a gallery and feeling like you have to pay some sort of retail price for it.

26:51Lauren Wodicka:Do you have any tips on how we should be hanging our art in our homes?

26:59Taryn McGowan:I like what you've done. I like the gallery. Thanks.

27:02Lauren Wodicka:Follow Liz.

27:04Taryn McGowan:Follow Liz. You guys need to see a picture. I used to have a gallery wall of oil paintings. I have a two-story foyer. And I, at one point, just started throwing artwork up there because I had too much art. And I thought, well, here's a two-story wall, so I'll just stick a whole bunch of artwork on it. And it was like that for maybe 10 years. I just took it all down because I have a new plan. What's your new plan? I think that I just bought, well, I met with one of my antique print dealers that I've been working with for like 20 years. And I fell in love with this collection of French botanicals that are all like mostly green and white, like earthy tones.

27:50Taryn McGowan:And I was craving some simplicity and something that felt organized and like a collection. I purchased 20 of these prints and I'm going to have them framed and they're going to hopefully go up that wall. And I think in such a large space that needs a little bit of organization, that might feel really nice and balanced instead of, you know, all the different sizes of oil paintings and all the different colors I had up there before. And I'll find some other home for all of those. I love stacking artwork. You know, like that goes way back in history. You know, like taking two pieces if they're large or taking three and stacking them on top of a piece of furniture.

28:37Taryn McGowan:I think that's a great look. And I have a rule. I think that artwork in general or objects that you hang on your wall should be spaced about three inches apart. And I find that I use that rule like time and time again. Sometimes it can be less or when you're working with a restriction on the wall, like a space restriction, or maybe the object is smaller and you don't want as much space. And so you do two or one and a half or something. But in general, I feel like we end up hanging pieces about three inches apart. And when you're working on a gallery wall with all different size pieces, if your spacing is relatively similar or if you keep that three inch rule, it provides a little bit of organization.

29:31Lauren Wodicka:Yeah, no, that's that's great advice. because gallery walls can be really difficult and intimidating to put up.

29:39Taryn McGowan:I know. Now I have someone who helps me. Well, I have for years. But, you know, 20 years ago, I would get myself in these binds. Like, someone would say, oh, I have a whole bunch of artwork. Will you hang it on my staircase? And I'd think, sure, no problem. I'll go hang it on their staircase. And then, like, two hours later, I was like, I should have asked for help. Like, I'm just, you know, sticking stuff, you know, So hoping with my fingers crossed that this all goes well, and it would, but now I try to provide more of a method. Yes, yes.

30:12Liz McGowan:How do you know when to do kind of that big bestowken art sort of, you know, like you're saying, like a big wall full of art versus like a mural or a wallpaper? Is there any kind of way you decide between the two?

30:30Taryn McGowan:In the case of my foyer, because it's two-story, using a muraled wallpaper would be pretty difficult because of the height restriction. A lot of murals, maybe they come in two or three different height configurations, but a lot of them are not two-story. So it would be like a custom job through Gracie or something to get a mural wallpaper all the way up. I also don't know in a two-story space if wallpaper is always the answer. Sometimes just some lovely molding and providing sort of like a neutral center point to your home is nice. And then maybe to the left is the living room and maybe you do do wallpaper or to the right is something else where there's a mural.

31:18Taryn McGowan:So sometimes a foyer can be nice if it's just clean and solid. Other times, you've got to make a big statement in your foyer. And I think sometimes the house dictates it. Sometimes it's the homeowner. I mean, this project I just started working on, I mean, we are going all in on the wallpaper on the foyer because the molding is so terrific. I mean, it is so outstanding that it needs a moment to shine. And I think the wallpaper helps provide a definition between the wall and all of this beautiful molding that needs to really, you know, be in all of its glory. And then we'll do something on the walls in both the other rooms, too.

32:06Taryn McGowan:But that deserves some wallpaper. Sometimes a little jewel box space is a great spot for a muraled wallpaper in an entryway. And also if it's a small entryway, that means it's not as much wall, which means the cost on doing the mural wouldn't be as expensive.

32:26Liz McGowan:I feel like that's a lot of advice I've given to friends. is like the, if it's a small space that people are going to see, like, feels like it's going to cost money. So like, put it where it can be really, yeah, you're putting in the smallest amount for this and getting the most impact for sure.

32:45Taryn McGowan:I mean, I think that's why my foyer, even though it's neutral, it's like a shade of off-white. I, over the years, have like stacked the walls with things because I'm trying to, you know add character you know but now i have a good plan but um but other homes i i if they have a smaller foyer i would go big on something dramatic on the walls powder rooms are also an obvious place to go really wild i mean make make it a jewel box and and leave the door open yeah i love a bathroom with wallpaper i do yes i'm so happy it's back i mean when i was When I was doing a lot of murals and faux painting, faux finishes, striating walls and striping walls, all that sort of stuff, wallpaper was not in fashion.

33:37Taryn McGowan:And people were removing wallpaper. And I'm so glad that it's back. I think there's a time and place for everything. But I think a little wallpaper is nice. No, it definitely helps fill a room for sure. I think you were asking a question earlier that was advice to people listening. I think it's how you want your home to feel and then making choices that help with that feeling. I had a sales rep come in years ago, and it was the biggest compliment to me because I want my home to feel – well, she walked in, and she's been here year after year. But she said, you know, Lauren, and I think that day it was like messy.

34:25Taryn McGowan:I think I forgot she was coming and I wasn't dressed up, you know. And she popped in. She said, it doesn't matter. She said, you know, your home is one of my favorite homes. It is so welcoming. she's like my room I mean my eye glides from like object to object across the room you've like got this interesting mix of stuff um it doesn't feel overly busy or you know cluttered but I just my eye just keeps flowing and each item when I stare at it is like really interesting and I can tell there's like you know you collected it you like found it out um and that was the like biggest compliment to me because I want people when they come in to feel like this is a welcoming home, that it's not too precious.

35:13I, you know, I want, I mean, I get on my kids all the time about the

35:18Taryn McGowan:basketballs in the foyer or the volleyball in the foyer and all the shoes that people have dropped as they run into play. But then I, the other day, took a photo of the basketballs laying around because I thought, he's going to be a sophomore in high school next year. I only have a couple years. This is just a moment in time and this is part of life and I love it, you know I'm gonna be really sad when those basketballs aren't rolling around my beautiful foyer, you know, so I think it's leaning into the spot in life you're at and Making it feel the way you want it to feel You know and then leaning on a designer to do that or or collecting things that make you Make you want to be at home home should be your most favorite spot You know.

36:05Taryn McGowan:I think that's the best advice of the day.

36:08Lauren Wodicka:Oh, that's nice. That's nice. I love that, too. Like thinking about, you know, that made me think about like, can you reverse engineer the compliments you want to receive about your home? Like thinking about how you want your home to feel and how you want others to feel in your home and how you want people to express that to you. Yes. I think that's a really kind of interesting way to think about it.

36:33Taryn McGowan:Yes. Like I've had homeowners say, I want low maintenance or I've had, I just recently finished a project where he, in his heyday, he's retired now, but he worked very high up in the boutique hotel industry all over the world. And he would be on the road flying to different countries like, you know, 270 days out of the year. And he said to me, now, I want my I want this room. I want my home to I want it to delight. I want I want it to spark, you know, interest. I want to people I want it to spark conversation. I want it to be fun and playful. You know, I don't want safe. I want to push boundaries.

37:28I want, you know, bold and exciting.

37:31Taryn McGowan:So I thought, okay, well, like the first thing I showed him was like not quite, you know, it was a little too safe, you know, he really pushed me. And people like that also have an interesting collection they don't even realize, you know, like I went down to his basement and found this beautiful antique Asian screen, which had this whole backstory. And he said, oh, you know, it was in all of our other homes all over the country. And it's kind of chippy now. And I don't know if it works in this house. And I thought, this works. I was like, I know someone who can touch this up. You don't need to go have this restored.

38:08Taryn McGowan:I can pull out my paints and touch up these little chips. But this is a part of your story. And this is kind of interesting to other people. You might be tired of seeing it, but what if I put it in a new, you know, in a new design plan? And I went home, I started thinking about it and then I showed him two pictures that were on the internet and he thought and he was like, you know what? You're exactly right. It just needed a new life. Like, you know, it's definitely a conversation starter. So you're right. I think it's like what you want your home to say about you. You know, how you want to feel in it.

38:43Liz McGowan:Is there ways to achieve? Like, I know you're supposed to say, OK, this is how I live. Like, right. You're not going to say you cook if you don't cook. But say you want to stretch yourself. Do you think if you build it, they will come sort of situation where like. Yes. Yes. Okay.

39:04Taryn McGowan:I think you have to be honest with yourself. And I think you have to be honest with your designer if you're asking them to put together like the very best version of your home for you. Yeah. The projects that flow like that are the ones that end up with the best result. um recently i have a you know i would say recently like in the last handful of years i have a lot of younger clients and i don't know if that's because i'm getting older or if it's because since covid i think there's been this real awakening to people wanting to build their home and wanting to do it right the first time and not you know buy furnishings that are the wrong scale or are temporary.

39:52Taryn McGowan:They want to really invest in their home. And they are trying to like set up their future. And those are the times where I sometimes want to push them outside of their comfort zone of what they know right now because they're younger. But what I know as their family grows, what things might be more lasting. and when to do something youthful or fresh and when to really fall back on tradition and do something that's very classic that is going to be lasting over time, especially with pieces that you know might end up being family heirlooms to their children one day. Those are things that you want to make sure that you, like select carefully or, you know, have a plan that maybe the upholstery changes over the years.

40:54Taryn McGowan:The rug definitely probably will change, you know, after pets and kids and, you know, but certain things I push them to purchase because I know that they will last a very long time and be part of their family, you know, while their kids are growing up.

41:11Lauren Wodicka:So what are those investment pieces?

41:13Taryn McGowan:And if you don't cook, but you want to cook, I think that you should have a nice stove. You know, like I'm dying to do my kitchen. You know, I've put together so many other kitchen plans. It's my turn. What are those investment pieces?

41:31Taryn McGowan:I think, A, I think that a room needs great lighting. I think that if you can afford it, you should put in the very best, like the most beautiful chandelier in your dining room or in your entry, a beautiful ceiling fixture. if you can don't put in something temporary or something trendy just go for it and put in the the one you really want that because that is going to last it's it's not going to have the wear and tear that a seat cushion or a rug might have and so I would face it you're not getting up there and changing it no so I would push boundaries on that you know I mean I would really same with a great mirror or, um, or like a secretary, a dining room sideboard, even a dining room table, um, something in your entry, you know, I think those pieces can last through your lifetime and then go on to your kids and, um, aren't going to have the wear and tear that, that other pieces will, you know, like kitchen chairs that, you know, they might take a beating with a young family, you know, buy something affordable, you know, that you can, you won't feel bad about one day changing.

43:05Taryn McGowan:Um, same with rugs. Yeah. I mean, rugs are beautiful, but, and same with, I mean, certain upholsteries like nothing is completely um kid proof and pet proof and spill proof and even when it says performance even when it's 100 wool you know all of those things over time you know 15 years later it might not look so good um i do think i do think a wool like an rug is a great investment i mean that that is going to you know hold up a lot better than

43:43Lauren Wodicka:something synthetic it brings more patina too yes we're talking about the marble floors it's like one of those things that's going to last through time because of its natural qualities yeah yes

43:53Taryn McGowan:i think that like um lamps is something that are great to kind of like collect or change in and out or save on. You know, you can pick up a lamp at like a little thrift shop and then put a really cool shade on it. And, you know, it's a great one-of-a-kind piece and you don't have to spend a ton of money on it necessarily. What else? Pillows. You know, I always push my clients to invest in beautiful custom pillows. Once you've sat with one, you know the difference. But But I also think like in a family room or in a playroom or something where it's going to get heavy usage, you know, buying something that's ready made that, you know, is just kind of going to last this period of time and be fun and you can change them in and out.

44:49And, you know, that's a nice way to change things and also save money now.

44:55Liz McGowan:No, it's so good. And so many of these, it just made me think of, we haven't done a Trials and Triumphs in a hot minute, but I just did the biggest swap-a-roo again of, you know, just rugs. Like, what if we put this in here and then we'll put this art in here and that will pull these two things together. But, like, we did a whole kind of slicing and dicing. I do it all the time. Yeah. Yeah. If you have pieces you love, and my husband's always like, you can shop the basement as much as you want.

45:25Taryn McGowan:I mean, I have a huge storage unit that looks like a store for my styling accessories, for antiques when I see them. I mean, it's for all of my projects. I keep wanting to have like a little pop-up event or something, but I just haven't gotten around to it. But I think it's great to change things. I have clients that now that we've finished their home are like just dying to keep the conversation going and the relationship going. And so now we've started doing like seasonal looks like let's do a whole nother set of pillow custom pillows for spring summer and then a whole nother set for fall winter.

46:08Taryn McGowan:That way you can change the room just enough that you know it it kind of like spices it up again you know seasonally. And I'm excited to and it's a different look so I'm excited to install these new pillows for this gal. I think that there, you know, there are ways to, like, make little changes over time. I also love, like, if everything's formal, maybe the rug is not formal. Maybe the rug is a jute or a seagrass or something to kind of play with that push and pull tension of formal versus casual, you know.

46:47Liz McGowan:What are some other pieces that you do in the seasonal look. I love this just so like people could emulate this. I love it.

46:53Taryn McGowan:Oh, well, what's something else we could do?

46:55Liz McGowan:Do you do drapes?

46:56Taryn McGowan:Like, will you change out drapes to match the new pillows or? I mean, I totally would. I haven't had someone ask me for seasonal drapery yet. Accessories. Okay. I think that people who love to collect, I think they often have a basement storage room full of stuff. And or they have things like hiding under skirted tables or, you know, what are they hoarders?

47:23Liz McGowan:I'm just wondering. I feel like this might this might be me. It's an eloquent way of saying you're hoarding.

47:31Taryn McGowan:I try to say that I'm a collector, not a hoarder.

47:35Liz McGowan:It does sound nicer.

47:38Taryn McGowan:Well, I also like to share. Like I... If you're sharing, yes.

47:42Liz McGowan:Okay.

47:43Taryn McGowan:I have no problem. And this has happened more than once where a client will come over and like something in my house and wants it. And I know that it would look good in their home and it inevitably ends up in their home. And then I have to change something here. And so I've had that happen a lot. I've even had, like early on when I was doing photo shoots, I realized real quick that I, like the first big photo shoot I did, I real quickly gathered things from my house just to help style accessories. And I just did it kind of like as a just in case and threw this gorgeous garden stool in. I threw some coffee table books, just kind of like loaded the car on top of, you know, I always acquire a ton of flowers and that kind of stuff.

48:31Taryn McGowan:But after the photo shoot was done, the homeowner said, well, I want all these things, you know, like. And I thought, OK, that was in my foyer. But if you want it, that's fine. And then I was really flattered. And I thought, OK, this is wonderful. Like, she wants it the exact way we documented it. This is fantastic. And then I left thinking, OK, lesson learned. from now on, I need to come with a lot of, you know, if it needs a lot of style, with styling pieces and be ready for them to say, I want this whole package. And so anyway, so I like to share. But I think that it's easy to change your centerpiece or change what's on your, you know, Tabletops, in your built-ins, if you have built-ins that are a lot of neutral leather-bound books and, you know, you've got this whole brown vibe happening, maybe in the summer you pull out a whole bunch of coffee table books and you rainbow order them over the shelves just to kind of change it up.

49:43Taryn McGowan:I did that recently and now I love you know my bookshelves kind of have these like sections of color you know it feels feels brighter and more interesting pillows what else flowers can really change a vibe the plants you bring in the house different throw blankets different lampshades I mean lampshades are having a huge moment right now Right. I mean, they always have. It's such a great way. But, I mean, now it's just like, I mean.

50:16Liz McGowan:I'm loving it. It's like, yeah. Yeah.

50:19Taryn McGowan:I'm staring at my lampshades behind me realizing I need some crazy lampshades on these lamps. That would be like a great way to give a seasonal look. Like maybe you've got one kind of like moody vibe and you go kind of dark teal or something. And then, you know, and then you have another season where you want like a little yellow patterned, you know, French fabric on it or something. What's the rug under your wallpaper, your lemon wallpaper or lemon mural?

50:51Liz McGowan:Oh, you won't even guess it. This is a lab for best way I describe the room I'm in. This is a mural I put on my dining room downstairs. Oh, it's really pretty. This was my, like, let's try it. Yeah, I like it. I need to paint over it, but everything in here is white and black. So I have this very fuzzy rug from 2010 that's super fuzzy, black and white, or a white with a black pattern on it. And I have black details all through the room. So I haven't figured out my plan. This is such a, so not a good example.

51:33Taryn McGowan:No, it's good. It feels like you're sitting in a garden room. And yellow is having a huge moment right now, too, which is surprising to me. But I have a project, you know, we're installing soon that incorporated a lot of yellow. And it's just such a happy color. And it feels like, you know, it feels like you're sitting in a garden right now.

51:53Liz McGowan:It does. I do like it. I do like it. I like my lemon tree my most. So I need to shift my computer to go, oh, then my son. No, it's good. I have a lake down there. my son painted the lake for me. That's nice.

52:07Taryn McGowan:Speaking of son, I have to, I have to put, I posted it in stories the other night, but I have to share. So, you know, I have been dying to get back to painting. Design has been so busy that in the last year or two, I have not had studio time at all. And I've had great ideas forming, like great, you know, a new concept that I really want to explore. I just haven't had any time. And I promised myself this summer at some point I would try and dedicate a little bit of time. My son, who is a full-on basketball player and has never asked to pick up a paintbrush, the other night, it was a Friday night, I was home Um, he didn't go out with friends like, you know, like he could have.

52:59Taryn McGowan:And he said, mom, I want to paint. And I said, oh, I thought he meant like his room, like the walls. And I was like, um, okay, okay. What do you want to paint? He said, like a painting. And, um, then I, I told him the difference. Like, do you want a watercolor like at the kitchen counter? He said, no, no, no. I want to go down to your easel and I want to paint a painting. And I thought, I am definitely taking him up on this. And so we went down to the studio. We cleaned it all up. I tried to teach him some basic principles of oil paints. We pulled out a canvas. He had a photo he had taken on his phone that we printed off.

53:32Taryn McGowan:And I kind of gave him a quick little lesson about mixing colors and how, you know, the mediums that you use with oil and how it all works. And then I let him go to town. And I knew that it might be like a once-in-a-lifetime moment. And I just was so filled with joy that he had asked this of me, you know, because you don't get too many like moments with a teenage boy where they, you know, really want to know something that you know, you know, or want to learn. And so I set up the camera like on the corner and thought I'm documenting this moment just for my own heart for like later on. But it's such a cool video.

54:11Taryn McGowan:It's so fun. I don't even know where I was going with this, but I now am going to get myself back in the studio. Good for you. You should. Which is really nice. Yeah, it's good. I don't know when. That's so exciting. Maybe I'll pretend to go on vacation and just go hide. It is kind of a vacation, right? Like a mental vacation. Yeah, yeah, it is. You said earlier your office is a lab. And I thought that was a great statement because I do feel like my home is a laboratory. And I think other people should, too. You know, it's okay to, like, take risks. Experiment.

54:52Liz McGowan:I'm okay with this room not done. Like, it's an old rug from a room. It was one of my baby rooms that was chartreuse, black and white, because I had boys. So I thought it was cute at the time. I still think it's cute. But anyway, it was intense. but everything was soap. And so a bunch of these old frames in here are all black. It's all the things that like made their second home in here. And I've been okay with it. I've been like very, like they're all beautiful things that I invested in that don't work anymore in those spaces. And I'm just. So I do. I sit in here and dream all the time. I'm like, do I paint all these angled ceilings, trim?

55:32Liz McGowan:Or do I do a wall? Make it new again. I know. Oh, so, and I love that I've left spaces for growth. I think it's the, it's so hard looking at, you know, beautiful interiors all the time and just feeling like you're always behind. So it is nice. I think that it's supposed to evolve.

55:49Taryn McGowan:I mean, take those black frames and go have them lacquered like a beautiful new color or something. Yeah. And give them new life. But I think it's okay for things to evolve. I think that they're supposed to, you know. I don't think any single one of my projects, if I were to circle back in 40 years, that the room is going to look exactly as it did. We're just a jumping off point for, you know, creating all of that charm. And then, you know, maybe we get a call to recollect some things, you know, years from now. Just like us as humans, always evolving. What do they say? A project is never done, even though we want it, even though I rushed to the deadline to like try and...

56:36Taryn McGowan:Rush. Not rush, but just super organized, super efficient so that it gets installed and accomplished, you know, in a reasonable amount of time and people can start living, you know, with it. This has been such a treat to talk to you, Lauren.

56:55Lauren Wodicka:Thank you. I had so much fun. Thank you. This has been so fun. Can you let all of our listeners know where they can follow you and find you? Sure. And see your work?

57:03Taryn McGowan:On Instagram, I'm lbwstudio. And my website is lbwstudio.com. Well, thank you so much for your time today. This was really great. Thank you. I'm so honored to do this with you. I had a lot of fun. Thank you. Thank you.

57:17Liz McGowan:Well, thank you. And all listeners, make sure you go check out her portfolio online and follow her because she's a great follower. So gorgeous. Thank you.

57:24Taryn McGowan:You guys are so awesome.

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