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29:13A lot of them work at drop site. Right. The majority, the average American, and I hate to say it like this, but it boils down to, okay, Israel, democracy, they are white presenting, juxtaposed to these Arabic people surrounding them in a post 9-11 world. Oh, they are terrorists. It's a very easy thing for people to bite into that. Oh, they're the good guys. We support them because these terrorists blew up, you know, part of New York. How can you blame them? They're getting all of their news from corporate media who are all controlled by the conglomerates that are interested in that. And I was that person.

29:53I didn't, but also on the same token i didn't care that much about it either i did enough where i'm like but it's just it's such a far off place but now it has become a kitchen table issue yeah the israel issue because we are told that we can't have nice things and i'm talking about cancer treatment as a nice thing and i'm talking about an education as a nice thing i'm talking about books not being banned things like this but israel continues to get all of this aid and it is on top of the fact when you see and i don't care what kind of person you are unless you're a monster when you see these palestinian kids that are dead or have lost limbs and people's homes they're intentionally carpet bombing civilian infrastructure it just it it's just an it's a no across the board so you and your colleagues at DropSite are leading a truth-based, fact-based reporting on this to an electorate that is pretty much abandoning corporate news.

30:57And in being critical of Israel, you get tweets like this from this gal, Shannon Watts. She says, vile antisemitism from the far left. If the reporter was black or Muslim, would they accuse them of being incapable of being impartial on other stories? The answer is no. This is a real mask off moment. You respond to Shannon Watts with this. Enjoy this picture of me and my bar mitzvah in 2017, Shannon. Remember, Israel does not equal Judaism and the assertion that it does is is what is truly anti-Semitic. So there is a censorship happening with people like me that used to live in middle America getting the facts about this.

31:44TikTok and other social media platforms were exposing that. And now people that donate to the IDF are trying to buy up those TikTok at the behest of Benjamin Netanyahu. But this gal here, she assumes because you're critical of Israel that you're an anti-Semite. And little did she know you're Jewish. And not only are we suppressing facts about Israel's war crimes, lies and propaganda, there is also a Jewish American opposition to this that I feel all over New York City that is getting suppressed. So can you speak to how, as you were critical of Israel, the expectation that people throw at you, a Jewish person, this kind of shit and the opposition, the Jewish opposition, American Jewish opposition to what's happening in Israel?

32:42Yeah, to be clear, when you flash that up on screen, it shows that I deleted the initial tweet. The reason I did that is because I didn't want any misconceptions about what people thought I meant. I think I was quote tweeting Daniel Boguslaw, who is a reporter at The Intercept, and he was showing that this reporter who had written this story had parents who had basically raised her in Kansas and moved to Israel as settlers in Haifa. And so I was like, oh, nothing to see here. You know, I think it literally was just that nothing to see here. But Shannon, of course, is I mean, it has become sort of a one issue.

33:22Is she Jewish? I have I have no clue. And I don't even know if it's relevant. I mean, I think that I think she started this like gun violence thing on protecting children and is now like only focused on Israel and will come after people constantly tries to start fights with Hassan on Twitter and whatnot. But I think everybody wants to fight with Hassan. Yeah, they do. I don't know if it's like a visibility thing or if he just like really gets on people's nerves or if it's. He's incredibly intelligent. So I think that's probably a big part of it. But yeah, I, but I think, I think with Shannon, like, look, I, I, so I grew up for the first nine years of my life and was Christian, would go to Sunday school, uh, every Sunday and then, yeah.

34:07Okay. And then my, but I grew up with a single mother at the time. And she was Christian. Yes. Okay. Our whole family. Uh, and then she married, uh, my stepdad who I now called dad. He raised me and he's a Jewish man and we all converted when they got married. Okay. When I converted to Judaism, I spent a year at Jewish day school and had a bar mitzvah. And now I'm 22 years old and I don't have some deep tie to really any religion. There are things that make me feel more spiritually connected. Like when I listen to gospel music, I feel quite spiritually connected and I feel, oh, there's some higher power here.

34:43But I'm not reading the scripture of any religion. What I was trying to point out there is that I grew up around Judaism. I would go to synagogue for Yom Kippur. I would go to synagogue for Passover. Hanukkah, every single night we would light the candles and say the prayers, and we would have Shabbat. I went to a Jewish day school. All of my close friends growing up were Jewish. And the notion that because I criticize a foreign government means that I am disloyal or adversarial or hateful towards that religion. I find personally insulting and I find it more insulting because they're endangering Jewish people.

35:20They're endangering the people I love, including my dad, right? If you link my dad and his religion, he keeps kosher. He practices Judaism. And if you link what he practices, which is a religion that emphasizes peace and love and community, to a genocide, ethnic cleansing, imperialism, you're putting him in danger from people who are not able to decipher the difference between the nation committing those crimes and the national religion they claim. And now my dad might get hurt or might be subject of hate speech or anti-Semitism because of this bad faith link that you've done for political purposes in order to uphold this nation state that's profiting your class, right?

36:01This wealthy class of individuals who are profiting off of everything that Israel does and they're profiting off of the war machine and the lobby, right? Like I resent that, right? I don't want my dad to be in danger. I love my dad. i love my friends and i and if you think about it like how insane it would be right now if if we criticized georgia maloney and then all of the catholics were saying we were anti-catholic link to to rome or if you criticize the pope the pope has always been open to criticism criticism always his trump did it yes is he anti-catholic no right so when you think when you step back and think about it of course there is a history that we all have to acknowledge the holocaust and then you know prior to that even the the history of uh jewish people but i think what befuddles me the most is that the lesson of the holocaust is that this shouldn't happen again it is that very fact that jewish people have been persecuted throughout their history and have been subject to systematic ethnic cleansing and systematic genocide, that all Jews should be the most fervent defenders of Palestinian human rights and Lebanese human rights, that they should be the most fervent critics of the Israeli government, which discards human rights.

37:30And again, it's like you mentioned this. It's like we give them$3 billion a year in aid. It will end up being a lot more money if Section 224, which is now known as Section 219 of the NDAA, passes and our militaries are merged, where there's going to be one point person at the Pentagon who can streamline the process of sending them all of our technology and sort of intelligence. It will end up being a lot more money that they receive from us. It just won't be documented. with all of that money that we have out going out the door to help them pursue these imperialist process processes and to inflict violence on innocent people in the West Bank and Gaza and elsewhere.

38:13We have so much that needs to be addressed here. Right. Like the Congressional Budget Office estimated that if we were to transition to Medicare for all system, it would save the U.S. government at least$650 billion a year. It would save the U.S. government$650 billion a year by cutting out the middlemen like the pharmaceutical benefit managers. All of the deficit hawks are against Medicare for all. And they say, how are you going to pay for it? How are you going to pay for it? But then when it comes to sending$3 billion a year to Israel or passing this Section 219 in the NDAA, which would bleed us dry of money that would go to to Israel, the deficit hawks are back out there and they're like, what about the national debt?

38:55What about the deficit? It's like you weren't talking about that when we realized that Medicare for all could save our government money and lower the deficit. It's all disingenuous. All of the things they claim to care about, whether it's the Democrats who claim to care about trans rights and abortion and whatever, the social issues, the right wingers who claim to care about their stance on trans rights and abortion. It's all nonsense, right? They all are among the same class of people who end up at the same cocktail parties at the end of the night in Georgetown, where they discuss these plots, like we learned about in the emails between Jeffrey Epstein and Ehud Barak, to manipulate the geopolitical order and to operate a pseudo state that will then become in turn incredibly profitable for them.

39:38All right, now let's shift gears and just gossip a little bit about your day job when you push the mic in front of people's faces. Let's gossip. All right. Little Moses Mike Johnson. Do you get to question him often? So I actually haven't questioned him while I've been with DropSite because he doesn't walk through the halls. He does press gaggles. And my style of reporting, this is actually interesting. I'm kind of glad you asked that question because a lot of reporters will gravitate to these gaggles, right? So they'll say, we're having a press conference here at this time, and all the reporters will show up, and they'll be in this big crowd, and the person will stand in front of the crowd, and they shout questions.

40:18But you really only get one question. So you ask your question, they spit back their talking point, and they move on to the next reporter. I'm not deeply interested in that. Walk and talk. I like a walk and talk because if I can find you in a place where there's no other reporters, I can get four or five questions. And I trust myself intellectually against these folks because I think that they are taking a lot of what they purport to believe from donors. And so if I push with follow-up questions just enough, I'm like, let's see if you really believe that or if you're reciting a talking. Have you done a walk and talk with Lion Ted?

40:54Oh, Ted Cruz? I asked him recently about Dialogue, Peter Thiel's Secret Society. He's on the I don't know if you saw that Wired reporting, but he's among three people in Congress who are listed on a membership list for dialogue, which is, you know, Peter Thiel's essentially secret society where they have these annual conferences. Of course, of course, Ted's right. Does everybody hate him as much as they say? I think Lindsey Grammer said once that if Ted, he said something along the lines of like, if Ted Cruz was prosecuted and was brought to the Senate for a vote, everybody would vote to prosecute because he he's not very well liked in the Senate.

41:34And I think like there are certain people who disagree with you politically who are, you know, quite good. They operate in good faith and they engage. You know, I like I love talking to Thomas Massey. Like, yeah, I know he's become somebody who's understood to play that role. But I've always really liked talking to him. I think that he is somebody who thinks critically and we disagree. The deficit actually is a big one. Like he wears that little deficit counter on. I disagree with his entire understanding of how federal spending works. But going up to him and talking to him, you can see he's actually listening to what you're saying as much as you're listening to what he's saying.

42:14And then you end the conversation somewhere where you've actually reached something that's informative for the audience. What about Marjorie? So she was there before this go around. I was there as a student reporter in my sophomore year of college. And I interacted with her. And I remember the one thing that I always thought about Marjorie Taylor Greene was that she definitely believed what she was saying. Like when I would look into her eyes when she was talking, and this is something that when you're on the ground, you tend to pick up on a human level when you're looking at people. You can tell whether they're kind of trying to BS you or whether they're telling you what they believe, even if what they believe is crazy.

42:54Right, right. And she, like Thomas Massey, is somebody who I always understood to believe what they were saying. I think Ted Cruz is a good example of somebody who – I think he's full of shit. He's somebody who – He doesn't believe in anything. Total nihilist. Yeah. I mean you can just track his comments throughout his career and how they contradict each other. Who seems the most sincere on the left? Chris Van Hollen? Well, I really like Chris. Um, and I think that he is, he is, um, really, he's really adept at talking about issues that are not within the national discourse. So he's really good at talking about Sudan, right?

43:29Like he really understands the internal politics in a bunch of countries that are not talked about on corporate media, which kind of shows you that he's thinking critically and he's listening to his advisors and they're actually doing the work, the research. Um, I think Ilhan Omar is incredibly, you know, um, forthcoming. I always remark that when I talk to Ilhan Omar, it doesn't feel like she's trying to mask what she's saying to be okay for people to hear. She's just telling you what she actually believes or what the actual truth is. And I think people really appreciate that. Like when it doesn't feel like they're trying to frame what they're thinking in a politician speak way, you know, or they're trying to make it sound good for consultants in D.C., you just say it outright, right?

44:13Like, yeah, Jeffrey Epstein was definitely working in cahoots with Mossad. Whoa. OK, there you go. Let's put that out there. OK, last one, Mitch McConnell. Obviously, he just released like a proof of life photograph, which is breathtaking, truly, that a United States senator in 2020 was on American soil at an American hospital. not in custody released a photograph of a newspaper with the date on it is so fucking crazy which for me brings up more questions than it does answers but have you ever questioned him and i feel like we've been watching mitch mcconnell die publicly now for like five or six years yeah it almost appeared like he had i think everyone was kind of making fun of that clip where he like froze but i think that was a stroke yeah i think he just had a Or he was shitting his pants.

45:04Yeah, I have no clue. Could have been. I mean, like he freezes like, oh, shit. You know, there's shit running down my leg. And then they scoot him out. In Washington, you never know. Yeah. It could be anything. So I won't discount that theory. But I will say. Any scuttlebutt? I mean, do you have any insider bait? Is he? I'll tell you. You want to know something? And this doesn't relate to it. So I've heard so many different things about Mitch McConnell that. And then this picture kind of threw it all off. Yeah. At first I was like, OK, they, you know, I heard some reporting that like they told the White House, like Mitch is not coming back, you know, like, oh, he's like his, yeah, he's alive technically, but he's hooked up to a machine and whatever.

45:40And so he's brain dead. And once his organs fail, they won't be able to keep him on the machine. Then you see the picture and you're like, whoa, okay, well, if that's real, he's not hooked up to a machine and he looks okay. And it has the newspaper in it, which of course was done deliberately, but unrelated to Mitch McConnell. And I think you'll find this interesting because you said, what's the little insider thing. Gary Peters is a senator from Michigan. He's the one whose vacancy will open the way for either Abdul El-Sayed or Haley Stevens or Mike Rogers, if the Republican wins. But he was the head of the DSCC.

46:16And he generally told me that, and on the record, that he believes that the DSCC and Democratic campaign arms should stay out of primaries and that they should support whoever the nominee is. And so while this primary was going on, while Mallory McMorrow was still in the race, I asked him whether he was thinking about endorsing, whether he was talking to the candidates, what he thinks about the DSCC getting involved in these primaries, trying to tank Graham Plattener early on, trying to tank Abdul El-Sayed, going all around just trying to put their thumb on the scale. And he goes, yeah, well, I'm not with the DSCC anymore, but I just think they should generally stay out.

46:53Today, he endorses Haley Stevens. A couple months ago, I overheard a conversation that he was having with Chris Coons, another senator on the floor of the Senate, where essentially they were talking about just this. They said, oh, yeah, well, Mallory's in there and Haley's in there, but I think they're going to have to consolidate because there's this guy, Abdul, and he's a threat. And it wasn't exactly those words, but they were essentially talking about the fact that if Mallory McMorrow and Haley Stevens both stayed in the race, they would siphon votes away from each other and pave the way for Abdul El-Sayed to become the nominee.

47:29And I think that, and this is an area where you're not allowed to record. There's no audio on the floor of the Senate. There's just like a muted camera that shows you them going in for votes, but you can't hear anything. But if you're a reporter, you can sit in the gallery and you can hear what they're talking about. And sometimes the senators don't realize that if they're talking too loudly, you can hear what they're saying. And so sometimes I'll just go up there after I'm done getting the clips and I'll just sit there for an hour and listen. Oh, just a total. You probably are too young for this.

47:56Gladys Kravitz from Bewitched. You probably don't know who she was. No. Iconic, nosy neighbor. Yeah, that's maybe me. But this kind of tells you the way that the establishment operates. Right. They take these positions and they say, oh, actually, we're holier than thou and we're going to stay out of this race and we'll get behind the Democrat, whoever it is, under the assumption that whoever it is, is the one that they want. Then when it looks like it's not going to be the one that they want, right, Mallory McMorrow gets out of the race. Haley Stevens is the only moderate, a word that I kind of hate.

48:24She's a centrist. And they're staying out. They're staying out. And then as soon as it looks like it's really close that Abdul is going to win and that he's polling, surging ahead in the polls by outside the margin of error, they're like, OK, fine. Yeah, Debbie Stabenow and Gary Peters, the last two senators from Michigan, let's throw them in there and endorse Haley Stevens. Right. I think that the way that my political philosophy has evolved, it has almost entirely weeded out the partisan nature of our politics today. The idea that Republicans bad, Democrats good. I think that what is really needed is a populist coalition.

49:06I think that for there to be actual, and I'm not saying what's needed in terms of for the country. I'm saying for there to actually be democratic balance within our political system again. For us to have a truly democratic system or a republic, you can't have Democrats and Republicans be the only two parties because they tend to be on the same side of a lot of issues, right? Like economically speaking, in terms of how to manage the deep state, it is generally referred to. how to manage private equity, for example, they're on the same side. On campaign finance, they're on the same side. Healthcare, they're actually generally on the same side because they don't want to go past a certain threshold.

49:46So they'll say, okay, I'm in favor of ACA subsidies. I'm in favor of a totally privatized system. But that's here. And there's a whole other scope of the debate over here that they purport not to know about so that they can argue about these two sort of slightly different things. I mean, the work that some people on the right wing are doing that are in the more populist wing and the work that some people on the left wing are doing in the more populist wing to come together and create like a unity. No fucking way. Would I ever fucking partner with the Tucker Carlson's, the Marjorie? Well, the only reason we're talking about - Would never do it because if you've lived in a red state and you have red state trauma, there is a bloodlust that these people have about recreational cruelty.

50:27Well, I'm not necessarily saying that - It is. I'm very scared of that. I'm very scared of people proposing that unity. And it typically comes from people who haven't lived around Christian nationalism. And that's probably a big part of why I'm more optimistic about it than you are. And I think the only thing I'll say is, look, I'm not saying that we should have a populist right-wing government, right? Like, would I ever vote for a populist right-winger coming up? No. But I do think that it's crucial in order to unite the country for us to center the issues that we agree on and to backbench the issues that we don't.

51:06See, I think the problem is I think that the reason why there's even like this idea of right wing populism coming up right now is because of Tucker. And Massey, I think, is a big part of it. Which he doesn't freak me out as much as Tucker. Tucker Carlson is not a credible person. He says that he was asleep and that he was attacked by four demons in his sleep. He is a fucking nut. And then if you want to talk about connections with people, his connections with Putin and his inability to be critical of the Russian government, which is an oligarchy, which anybody, all of these really wealthy people that went to kiss the ring of Putin have fallen out of windows and have been killed off.

51:49I just do not trust anything right wing, period. I have too much red state trauma. I know these people. They are diabolical. Their machinations towards a white nationalist Christian nation are serious. And Tucker Carlson is smart. And he is a Darwinist, survival of the fittest. He knows that Trump is cooked. He knows he's a dementia duck. He knows the America First agenda was a lie. He jumped off that and he's like, okay, now I'm going to take this message to everybody that MAGA lost their way. And you hear Marjorie Taylor Greene saying this. And I know the language they're speaking because I know the people they're trying to speak it to, which are people in the middle of America.

52:32And that shit will hit hard. I think it already is. It hits hard. But what I know also hits hard is that Tucker Carlson made up the lie about being attacked by demons because that hits hard to the same people, the same evangelical base that elected Trump. And it's that spiritual warfare, binary, good versus evil shit. And it is Christian signaling. They accuse us of virtue signaling. He's doing that. It's Christian signaling. It's getting the base, which is a very organized force of voters. And so I'm just terrified of the flirtation that some people have that are fed up with American politics, which I agree with, but the flirtation and giving credibility to Tucker Carlson because he's critical of Israel.

53:22And I understand where it comes from because people are dying. Call out Israel for what it is, call it out for what it is. And then Tucker does it. But Tucker's desires to do that are not rooted in the earnest things that your desires for that are. They're completely different. I think a lot of your commentary there makes total sense. Like, I think that on immigration, I totally disagree with Tucker. I think on January 6th, I think he He played a really awful role in peddling conspiracy theories that sort of undermined the strength of our democracy in a lot of ways. I think on some of the social issues, I totally disagree with his rhetoric with regard to trans folks and LGBTQ folks.

54:02And I think on the Christian supremacy stuff, at least from back when he was at Fox, I think is horrible. And I am sort of an egalitarian. I believe that all religions should be valued equally, as can be evidenced by the fact that I jumped. I hate them all. I'm an atheist. And I totally understand and value that, too. I think that I'm talking less about figureheads of the right wing movement or people who would embrace that mantle and more about those working class people on the ground, people who generally aligned with the Republican Party after the Democratic Party left them out to dry. You know what I mean?

54:38When NAFTA came around with Clinton, when the Democratic Party started taking corporate money, working class people navigated, you know, and look for a political home. And the right wingers, as you mentioned, were super opportunistic and gave it to them with Nixon. You know what I mean? And I just think that those people on the ground are winnable. And I think that they have been I think that they have been subject to a disinformation campaign through corporate media and through their politicians who maybe they trust because of their rhetoric on culture war issues or social issues that they've begun to believe or things that they've lied about with regard to economic policy that they take at face value, especially with Trump and all of his faux populism.

55:20But those people in their hearts and in their minds want the same thing, which is a dignified basic standard of living for them and the people that they love. Some do, but there has been a cultural rot that has happened that saying things like that used to hit hard because it precludes and excludes that Fox News and right-wing media and the right-wing media ecosystem has fed to the electorate this recreational cruelty. that you get to own the libtards in exchange for not getting policy delivered and the government delivering for you materially. And it's a part of them. It's got their claws into them.

56:05When J.D. Vance said that Trump was an opiate for the masses, right wing media and serving up recreational cruelty and picking on minorities and women is the electorate has like a Pavlovian response to that. And I've seen it. I've seen that people will be happy to not get anything. Here's an example. In Oklahoma, our governor, Kevin Stitt, who dedicated every square inch of the state to Jesus Christ. He said that on national television, I dedicate every square inch of the state to Jesus Christ. When Biden was president, he said, okay, here's hundreds of millions or however many millions it was for your child federal funding for the children in schools to eat lunch.

56:56He said, no, I'm not taking that many. And these poor kids and these poor people in rural Oklahoma thought good for Governor Stitt for socking it to Biden. Doesn't sound like Jesus Christ. Doesn't sound like Jesus Christ. And they're dying of their whiteness. You know, there's a famous book written about that. And so that's a problem. I agree with you. But the hope in all of that is, is during 2016, during the primary, when I voted for Hillary Clinton in Oklahoma, Bernie Sanders won in the state of Oklahoma. I'm on the record saying I regret my vote for Hillary. But that's just where I was in the course of my political evolution at the time.

57:34I think it's noble. Like I admire. Thank you. I mean, I was. Yeah, thank you. But but I do think that there's a lot of cultural rot that bad fact, bad actors like Tucker Carlson and Marjorie Taylor Greene and others have played into in where now they have an electorate that likes to feast on recreational cruelty. And they have fed that cancer and they have grown it and they're going to have to water it. And Tucker knows that. And he's really, really good. I think the road to recovering from that is to invest energy into those people and into showing them that their preconceived notions are not correct.

58:11Right. Like I was recently in Nebraska doing a reporting trip embedding with the Osborne campaign to write a profile about him and to do a story about how the Iran war was affecting farmers because the fertilizer was getting held up with the Strait of Hormuz closed. and I was driving with one of the farmers from his farm to his friend's farm because we were going to shoot on his friend's farm. And he goes, you know, I used to listen to Rush Limbaugh every morning when I would be driving and everything Rush Limbaugh said, I believed. He would talk about immigrants. I would believe it. He would talk about black people and women.

58:49I would believe it. But then he started talking about farming and everything he said made no sense. It was my one area of expertise. I knew everything about farming. And he started talking about farming and irrigation. And it made no sense. And I realized that he was lying about everything else. And I stopped listening to Rush Limbaugh. I exposed myself to a whole host of new information. And I evolved politically. And now he's like this Biden, he's got like Biden Harris signs all over his like garage and whatever. Like, I wouldn't do it. But he's like all the way over there. You know what I mean?

59:21And that along with tons of people in my life who are Republican or right wing and have prejudiced views, have said things that are insulting to me, but have come to evolve on certain issues as they've become more exposed. They've had an immigrant in their life, maybe who's undocumented, who treats them with respect and dignity and who contributes to the community. And they realize, oh, this isn't actually that scary. Or they finally find that one relationship with a woman, whether it's platonic or romantic, where they realize that maybe they're not just a body or whatever. I don't know. They finally get laid.

59:57And then they'll vote for us. Right. No, but again, these are all examples, but it's all about exposure. These are human beings. Again, they have beliefs that we find to be insulting. And I am personally offended by many of them. I was partially raised by two undocumented immigrants who came here fleeing violence in their community in Mexico in the trunk of a car for hours and helped raise me while my single mother was working. I am deeply tied to those people, among other people, women in my life, minorities in my life. And I hate that the right wing has zoomed in on them. And LGBTQ people, I have an older brother who's gay, people who I really care about.

1:00:41And I hate that the right wing has made them the target of discrimination and hate and violence, which has evolved to violence. But those people are doing that because they're scared and they've been systematically scared, right? Like this fear has been instilled in them. It's fear mongering from the corporate media, which is meant to divide us on these issues. And I understand exactly where you're coming from, especially because you grew up or you lived in a red state, but the position you're in now where it's like, I will never work with the Republican or I don't want any to do with the republican is exactly whether it's good or not as a position is exactly where the corporate media wants you to be because as long as you are not as long as i will die on that if i can heal and that's i really will because there is a huge difference between republican ideology in a christian nationalist state like the one that kevin stitt overseas and you should hear him speak about homeless homelessness horrible and the dehumanization that he discusses rape victims in the state of Oklahoma have no privacy, no, I have no interest.

1:01:49For me, these people are hostile, bad actors. Now, what I work with is now a person who's off of and been deprogrammed from corporate media, an establishment Democrat to somebody who's a leftist. Now, those are people I think you can move because if I could, if I could unravel from the corporate media and the stances, but Republican culture in deeply red Bible belt states, there is no compromise there. And the more we know that, the more prepared we are to deal with it. Somebody needs to roll into those states and not say, I'm going to work with the politicians here. But they need to roll into those states and say, the Republican party has lied to you.

1:02:37Conservative politics have lied to you. Trickle down economics was a lie. Republican, the Republican party is a death cult. Well, that's a part of reaching out a death cult. That's part of reaching out. And it's also the framing and the delivery of that message, right? Like, I think that would be effective. I again, I again, it's like Kevin Stitt, for example, like these politicians, the reason why they're so vitriolic on those culture war and social issues is not because they have this like deep ideological purpose to like root out. It's because they know the more and more vitriolic that they get about those culture war issues, the more and more they can get people disagreeing about it.

1:03:12And the more and more they can get people disagreeing about it, they can operate behind the shadows to steal money. But he doesn't even really, there's a whole part of this I think you don't understand. He's not getting people to disagree about it. He has consensus. No, the Republicans are on his side. He has agreement in Oklahoma. He does all of this with swaths of massive consensus and agreement. He's not doing anything that anybody's really particularly in the state of Oklahoma disagreeing with him. Now, there are the people in Oklahoma City. Oklahoma City is a purple city. But this is they believe they have a mandate from God.

1:03:47They think they are going to deliver the United States of America as a Christian nation to God. And I think it's something that has to be addressed. If you want to address America, you have to address the crazy Christian problem because that's what is guiding the Republican Party. That's what took it over with Reagan. And it's the Christian nationalism is such a difficult thing to understand how serious these people are, how diabolical they are, how well funded they are and how they see long term. And I tell you who knows this more than anybody is Tucker fucking Carlson. He knows it. That's why he talks and makes up lies.

1:04:30What percentage of the Republican base? I'm not talking about the politicians because I think you and I are in alignment on the figureheads and the politicians. I think we're in alignment. Working class Republican voters on the ground, highly uneducated in terms of just like going to school, right? Like we perhaps I really think that the difference between educated and intelligent is really important, right? Like I think some of these people are actually more intelligent than they get credit for. What percentage of the base do you think is, you know, culty, like Christian nationalism? The Republican Party?

1:05:02Yeah. 85 to 90 percent. 85 to 90 percent of the base, the working class voters on the ground. Okay, see, that's exactly where the disagreement is. Wildly indoctrinated, wildly, to think that Democrats are demons. That if you vote for a Democrat, you're voting for a demon or for Satan. And they believe that, which is why Tucker Carlson, he knows that number. I told you, look at the base, look at Trump's polling with the Republican party. It's high eighties. It has polling right now within the base is super high nationally is polling as low Jimmy Carter low, but within the Republican party, it's that high because the Republican party has brilliantly propagandized and caused a cultural rot within the electorate that can only be dealt with when people address the crazy religion issue in America and too many politicians are too big of pussies to come in and criticize religion.

1:05:58Yeah, I'm against religious extremism all over the place. But I think that they're going to have to address it because these people ask me all the time, how do all of these religious people in Oklahoma support Donald Trump? Yeah. Like their mega church pastors are exactly like him. Their dads are exactly like him. It is a contorted version of the religion that's in the text. That's 100 % true. And that's with all religious extremism. But that's religion in the Bible belt. That is the mainstream religion in the Bible belt. I'm telling you, megachurch culture, the megachurch boom of the 80s, and then all of the indoctrination in it has been wildly, wildly, wildly successful.

1:06:36How would you approach breaking through to people who are... who are I don't I would not focus on them I would focus on the couch who sits out who doesn't vote our voter turnout is so low in this country I think it is a fool's errand I don't mean for I don't mean to get their votes I just mean how would you I mean in terms of establishing a country that operates without as much hate and vitriol as we have right now you have to just they're going to hate you regardless but you have to say you can hate me all you want to and I don't really like you either but i hope you have health care okay yeah you know what i mean like theirs is i hope all the libtards die mine's like i don't want to go to dinner with you i don't want to have a beer with you but i hope your fat ass has health care i hope that you have access to the things that you need and that's the fundamental difference but i think the democrats error is trying to convert these people and have some uniparty when when the the way to approach it is who we have to get the people that are apathetic.

1:07:38Well, I think the issue is that we have a uniparty right now. Yeah. Right. We have a uniparty right now, but it's aligned along an axis of corporate interests. Right. Right. Like one side supplies the votes and those are the people who are arguing over the culture war issues. And one side supplies the money, which are the oligarchs at the top who are stealing all the money via tax cuts and via investments in foreign countries that are expanding into regions that are highly profitable. And so it, you know, if the donors can, can keep providing the money and the people on the ground keep arguing about the culture war issues instead of organizing towards a better economic future?

1:08:09It's so dismissive of gay people in red states to talk about them on the ground, arguing about culture war issues. And that's where the far left loses credibility with middle America, because the blue dots and red states are the toughest Americans you have to be able to be gay and in oklahoma oh 100 and like and fight an uphill battle where it is just it it is i have some friends they have a trans child and they recently had to move to california to be able to raise their child and they're fortunate they have the money but those culture wars that we talk about broadly in these conversations are being lived on the ground in those areas it's life and death for them it is literal life and death like i can't tell you how many women and how many stories I know of people that have pregnancies that they wanted in Oklahoma and they go to get an ultrasound and there's something severely wrong with the fetus.

1:09:06Yeah. And the doctor cannot do anything about it. And in a normal world in New York or in Washington, DC, they would immediately do a DNC and it's private and all of these things. Now, these women are driving to New Mexico or Colorado or Kansas to get abortion care. And so we have to be cautious in talking about culture wars because for the the people on the ground in red states it is literally life and death yeah it is so horrific what is happening to the lgbtq plus community racism is still just so incredible it's rampant in red states and then what the war on women in red states is just fever pitch it is absolute fever pitch so i i think these conversations are so important because I think that all of us have passion and a desire to be something completely different than the status quo.

1:10:03Oh, for sure. I think everybody is like, whatever's going on right now has to be something different. Yeah. So Julian, thank you so much. Thank you for all the work you do. I love all your clips. I think they're so great. Thank you so much for having me. I'm so grateful for the opportunity to engage with this, you know, amazing audience that you've built. And I, and I, when I watch your videos, I read through the comments, I watched the one with Prem and people are so, it's just so heartening to see people so engaged and so empathetic to what everybody is dealing with on the ground that maybe isn't themselves.

1:10:35And I think you've done a wonderful job cultivating that. And I respect your political evolution and I'm so grateful for your voice. Thank you. And I appreciate it too. And I, yeah, we do have a great audience that's so eager to sit and learn more and evolve themselves. So that's exactly the impression I've gotten. Yeah. All right. Thanks so much. Thank you.