In short
The episode argues that billionaire media/political power is being consolidated by the Ellison family and aligned with Elon Musk, and that this alliance reflects shared anti-Semitism/Nazi sympathies and a broader “control the masses” agenda. It also condemns right-wing media cruelty toward addiction and mourners, focusing on Megyn Kelly’s comments about Cindy Crawford’s son Presley Gerber’s drug overdose.
Guest backgrounds
No named guests appear in the transcript; speakers include the host (Kelly Clarkson) and co-hosts/participants referred to as “Josh,” “Pumps,” and “Jennifer,” plus mention of Kara Swisher (journalist) and Timothy Snyder (historian).
Key claims
David Ellison discussed bringing Elon Musk into a Paramount/Warner merger; Kara Swisher says she’ll leave CNN; Megyn Kelly’s rhetoric shows ignorance of addiction; “recovery” doesn’t prevent cruelty.
Notable examples
Ellison/Musk control of CBS News/CNN; Kara Swisher threatening to exit her CNN contract; Megyn Kelly criticizing Presley Gerber (including DUI/face-tattoo “misunderstood”); comparisons to Trump’s attacks on Rob Reiner and Rush Limbaugh’s rehab story.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOBillionaires and Media Control
0:34 to 4:37
Discussion on the influence of billionaires like Elon Musk and the Ellisons on media.
“Everybody knows about this billionaire fleecing and consolidating, monopolizing all means of production.”
Kara Swisher's Bold Stance
4:37 to 6:37
Kara Swisher threatens to leave CNN over the merger with Paramount.
“Take your jobs because we're not going to have a monopoly and have all of these media outlets controlled by this regime.”
Addiction and Media Commentary
6:47 to 14:00
Exploring the societal effects of addiction and media reactions to it.
“You know, I think it goes back to a lot like control.”
The Harsh Reality of Recovery
14:00 to 16:44
Explore the complex nature of addiction recovery and its societal perceptions.
“And I think what this speaks to is recovery can be a really beautiful thing for a lot of people, but some people are so broken that they can hit rock bottom and they can come back out and go to rehab and do things.”
Confronting Evangelical Hypocrisy
16:44 to 17:58
Discuss the hypocrisy within the evangelical community and its impact on society.
“Everything they hate, I love and I champion for and I fight for.”
The Battle Against MAGA Rhetoric
17:58 to 20:22
Analyze the need for a stronger counter-narrative against MAGA extremism and hate speech.
“It's just like the segment we did with J.D.”
Transcript
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0:34All right.
0:35Angie Sullivan:Everybody knows about this billionaire fleecing and consolidating, monopolizing all means of production. Okay. The communists are the billionaire ruling class, seizing production. Well, it's getting worse because we have this completely evil asshole and his failed son, Larry and David Ellison, who have rigged the system so that they can buy up everything and control the narrative and try to control culture and try to lie and propagandize to the American public more than what the MAGA regime is doing. And it's getting worse than what the original reporting has popped this up. According to Semaphore, David Ellison has discussed bringing Elon Musk on as an investor in Paramount's merger with Warner Brothers, which could mean Musk could have a stake in CBS News and CNN.
1:25Angie Sullivan:And here's what's interesting about this whole thing to me. David and Larry Ellison are big supporters of Israel, and they donate actively to the IDF and are very, very much in tune with what the Israeli government is doing, the war crimes that they are committing. That's on the one hand. Elon Musk is a Nazi. Elon Musk did back-to-back Sigh Hiles. Go to Twitter and look at Elon Musk's Twitter feed. It is Holocaust denialism. It is retweeting all of this great replacement theory. A lot, I mean, massive anti-Semitic shit all out the wazoo. So I think it was Timothy Snyder who told me this, the great professor and historian on all of this.
2:11Angie Sullivan:When you become a billionaire, that descriptor of yourself supersedes everything else. It supersedes if you are American, if you are an immigrant, if you are Jewish, if you are an anti-Semite Nazi. And so is that what brings them together? Because according to a lot of these people, they think Zoran Mamdani is like this huge anti-Semite, which couldn't be further from the truth. The biggest anti-Semite I've seen in modern day is the guy, the richest man in the world who felt so emboldened after he paid$300 to purchase Trump and purchase the election. He got on stage and undeniably, no question about it, did two back-to-back Zig Hiles.
2:54Angie Sullivan:And if you don't believe that, then go look at what he tweets and what he retweets. That's a fascinating psychological case study as to what is going on where some big Israel thumper wants to unite with a big Nazi. Somebody help me figure that out. Normally, it starts with money. Normally, it's all money related. But where my mind goes on this, because we reported on this yesterday that for some reason, the California attorney general and Gavin Newsom, everybody just did an about face on this with that lawsuit that I think was with 10 other states. and so and this is what republicans do to you so when you concede something to them when you like like we did when we decided to settle this and i think part of that settlement we've now learned was due to their threats that they would move uh these companies outside of california and it would cause the state of california jobs and so thus we need to settle this but this is a lesson for us because once you do capitulate or bend the knee what do what does the other side do They do something like this.
3:55They tell you, oh, now we're going to bring Elon Musk in and we're really going to rat fuck you. We're going to get you down, bend you over and just absolutely stick it off in you. So thank you for for negotiating with us in good faith. We appreciate that. Now we're going to bring Elon Musk in and we're really going to turn this motherfucker upside down. So thank you. See you later. That's what this speaks to me about when I see them reporting that now Elon Musk is going to be a part of CNN. Well, it's going to be as bad as you could possibly imagine that it would be. And all because these states, in particular the state of California, chose to bend the knee.
4:34Angie Sullivan:Yeah. You know, and they didn't have to. They didn't have to. Never obey in advance. Call their bluff. Tell him to pack his toys up. Say, hit the bricks. Go move to Tennessee. Go move to wherever. Take your jobs. Take your jobs because we're not going to have a monopoly and have all of these media outlets controlled by this regime. And then furthermore, how stupid of the Ellisons. Elon Musk is, look at what he did with Doge. I mean, it's just, this guy is a train wreck. He shows up to the Oval Office with a black eye, tripping balls on ketamine with his little kid on his hip. And then his little kid's wiping his boogers on the Resolute desk, which I kind of supported the kid at the time.
5:13Angie Sullivan:because Donald Trump is a known germaphobe. So I kind of love that he was like putting the boogers on the desk going, you're not the president. Remember him whispering that to him? I kind of team X on that. That's the kid's name. All right. So there are people with conviction in this country and there are people with balls in this country. Time and time again, I'm seeing that they are women. And particularly Kara Swisher. She is incredible, incredible. The moral clarity is off the chart. And she says she will leave CNN following the Paramount merger. Play the clip. No, my contract, I was just literally reading my contract today, as you might imagine when this news struck, because I threatened to leave and I am asked my agent to get me out of my contract.
5:59It ends December 31st. So it's only a few months, right? I'm just, I just can't. I just, I thought like I was trying to figure out ways I could work with them in some like licensing way. But then I thought, fuck these guys. I don't. Honey, what are you listening to? Mom. Your teen might not share everything with you, but teens share everything with each other. And certain everyday behaviors like sharing food, drinks, or kisses could mean sharing bacteria that can cause meningococcal disease known as meningitis. Although meningitis is uncommon, about one in 10 who develop it will die. Ask your teen's doctor about missing meningitis vaccinations.
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6:46Angie Sullivan:fuck those guys and kara had another great thing that she said somebody was asking her about twitter like why would you get off why would you get off twitter and she goes you know what if there was a neighborhood bar and a bunch of nazis hung out there all the time and you used to hang out there then a bunch of nazis came in and hang out there and nobody told the nazis not to do nazi shit in the nazi bar you'd quit hanging out there so why the heck am i hanging out on Twitter with all these Nazis, which again brings me back to this fundamental point, big Israel thumper, big Nazi joining forces.
7:16Angie Sullivan:What could possibly go wrong? Pumps. You know, I think it goes back to a lot like control. They want to control the masses. They are the 1%, the elite, elite. And they've got, they're building their bunkers and they're going to do all this crazy shit and they're going to live forever and do all these things because the general public and Peter Thiel has attributed this, that we don't need democracy. You know, we need AI to control the government. We need certain people because the regular rank and file human, they're not smart. They need to be controlled. You know, if they're sick, let them die.
7:55We don't need it. Like that's the whole attitude. So part of me thinks it's very bizarre that these two would be bedfellows. But at the same time, their end game is the same. Control the people. Be the boss. And Kara Swisher is a badass. And again and again, it's always women. Particularly lesbians. It's always lesbians should run the world. No question. I mean, absolutely. But good for her. And, you know, to some people, conviction is more important than money. And that's in very short supply. That's so true. Okay.
8:27Angie Sullivan:And then, Josh, this is something I want you to speak to directly. Cindy Crawford's son, Presley, 27 years old, died of a drug overdose, knew he needed help. He had a lot of drugs in his system and they overtook him and he died. And this is something that I think addiction, You know, it affects Republicans, Democrats, independents, Americans, Russians, Peruvians, you name it. This is something that affects everybody. Either you know one, you love one, or you are one, or you hate one. I mean, it's likely one of those scenarios is true in almost everybody's life, I would assume. And so Megyn Kelly, it's always in the right-wing media sphere where something like this happens.
9:16Angie Sullivan:You might remember when Rob Reiner was murdered and what Donald Trump did afterwards, right? You remember when, what's that guy, that guy that investigated him, Mueller, when he died and Trump put out that, you know, that horrible, horrible. So this supermodel that we all grew up with, Cindy Crawford, you know, and we saw our kids when, you know, when they were born, you'd see paparazzi shots of them. And so her son dies. And I remember when I woke up and saw the news, I just thought, oh, my God. Oh, my God. It's just awful. This is what Megyn Kelly said on her show. And this is the part of Trumpism that's going to outlive Trump.
9:57Angie Sullivan:It is the trickle-down cultural rot of making people worse than they already were. Play the clip. DUI in 2019, when he was still legally too young to drink, but was doing so, tattooing the words misunderstood on his face. Look at this. On his face, under his right eye in 2020. I mean, that says a lot. When your 21-year-old son is getting a face tattoo. And the word he chooses to tattoo is misunderstood. You've got serious problems in your family. That's an all hands on deck situation. He later got it removed. Josh. When you see rhetoric like that from Megyn Kelly, it reminds me of how we are fighting a different or with this breed of people.
11:01And I reference back to Michelle Obama when she said, when they go low, we go high. And we don't do that now. When they go low, we go lower. The rage that I feel from hearing her and how she speaks about someone who's just passed away from drug addiction. It's clear to me that she has no understanding of addiction. She's presumably had no life experiences with people that are drug addicts. Otherwise, you wouldn't say these kinds of things unless you were just diabolical and mean and evil. And if you are diabolical, mean or evil, then the only way for people like us to rebut But people like her is to be mean, diabolical and evil.
11:52And I don't mean that to a literal extent, but it's hard to even, it's hard to know how to respond to someone like that and give them really any power over you because it's such a mean, awful thing. And I remember when I woke up and I saw what Donald Trump had tweeted about Rob Reiner and how he made it about him and how he went on this diatribe about how Rob Reiner suffered from, you know, MAGA, Durain's Trump syndrome or something. And I just thought these people are just on a different level. And if you're going to have to deal with them, and Jennifer, I think that's why you and Pumps have been somewhat effective, is that you go for their jugulars, too.
12:37You point out their hypocrisy and you show that. In a way that other people don't, because this is just not a scenario where we can be, you can be a nice person and fight with integrity. It's just not. No. It's just not. We're way past that.
12:52Angie Sullivan:The problem with the Megyn Kelly thing is I remember, Josh, when you went to rehab in Arizona back in like 2002 and Rush Limbaugh, now that he's dead, I think we can break the anonymity part of it. He goes to the same rehab. We would have done it anyway. I would have. He goes to the same rehab you do. And I remember thinking, because Rush Limbaugh was the first part of all this real hateful turn, like super hateful turn, just incubating. Without Rush Limbaugh, there wouldn't have been a Fox News. He started incubating the public that wanted a harder hit on this recreational cruelty. And I remember thinking it's going to be interesting when he comes out because Josh and I, our hearts were out of our chest.
13:32Angie Sullivan:You know, our family is upside down. We're wanting to get Josh well. And, you know, addiction is messy. There's a debris field, collateral damage, et cetera, et cetera. And he comes out, first episode, and he's like, I don't want anybody to think I got soft in there. And he just goes immediately saying dehumanizing things after he himself was an opioid addict, probably lied and did all this shit. And then Pumps and I know an individual who had a bunch of DUIs, life went to hell and back, lost his career, everything, goes to rehab, gets sober, and is the biggest racist MAGA thumper on the planet.
14:09Angie Sullivan:And I think what this speaks to is recovery can be a really beautiful thing for a lot of people, but some people are so broken that they can hit rock bottom and they can come back out and go to rehab and do things. And they're still pieces of shit. They were pieces of shit as addicts and they're pieces of shit sober. And I think it's even worse when they're sober because they're doing that shit sober. Megyn Kelly said that about Cindy Crawford's family and her son, stone cold sober. Whatever Presley did, whenever he did it, number one is none of your business. I thought you're a big freedom loving person.
14:50Angie Sullivan:But these people choose to do this stuff sober. And I'm just going to say the meanest people I have ever met in my life, truly, where I realized these are really bad people, like this is a really bad person, are the loudest, most religious people I've met in the state of Oklahoma. They are mean to their core. They're nice to a handful of people with whom they share DNA. Outside of that, it is cruelty, dehumanization, no empathy, no sense of shared humanity. It is just everybody's out to get us this delusions of grandeur that the world is stacked against them. And these are rich white people I'm talking about.
15:37I was just going to say, having grown up in this, my experience was you don't have to worry about other people's problems because you're better. You're entitled to judge other people because you're better. You're chosen. That is taught. It is indoctrinated. And it breeds the humanity out of people, not in empathy. It is going to church and being told you're the one, you're special. Bad things can't happen to you. I'm sure Megyn Kelly thinks it's impossible to think somebody she loves could be a drug addict or get a tattoo.
16:11Angie Sullivan:Here's the thing. You remember the Don Lemon video where Megyn Kelly was talking shit on Don and then Don goes to his Instagram and says, Megan Kelly, why is your husband always staring at my husband at parties? It freaks him out. She's got some secret. And in order for her not to deal with her secret, she punches down. And I think that's the through line with a lot of these people. And there is something about MAGA that I want all of our listeners and everybody to understand because it's overwhelming and the abuse is daily. They flood the zone with it. Everything they hate, I love and I champion for and I fight for.
16:51Angie Sullivan:And when I see Megyn Kelly do that, and when I see Riley Gaines be a homophobic twat on Fox News, I thank my lucky stars every single day. I'm not that. I've never been that. Those are not my people. I want nothing to do with that shit show. Not a fucking thing with that. They put on a master class all day, every day as to why not to be an evangelical Christian? Why not to be a Republican? You look no further than to thought leaders in their movement. And they are truly, truly bottom-feeding individuals that are just stirring up in this. I mean, this thing is just a tragedy. And number one, it's just not even political remotely.
17:34Angie Sullivan:No. It's not. But when you encounter that, and this was what I was saying earlier, when people like her punch down, the way to deal with that is to punch down harder. And I hate that. But that's the that's the place that we're in where Democrats are going to have to start being ruthless to a certain extent because they're spewing that noise out on a day to day basis. It's just like the segment we did with J.D. Vance just speaking lies about Tallarico and drag queens. I mean, they're doing this stuff intentionally lying. And so how do you do how do you combat that? Well, we can combat it with the truth, but the Democrats don't want to seem untoward by talking about and constantly putting out the photographs of J.D.
18:18Angie Sullivan:Vance in drag and talking about Big Titty Brian and talking about Moses Mike Grinder Johnson's obsession with gay men that dates back a long, long, long, long, long time ago and talking about what's going on with Josh Hawley and how awkward he looks when he kisses his wife, because the call's always coming from inside the house with these people. And we cannot just merit Garland this thing where it's like, oh, well, that's okay. And point out all day, every day, what religious hypocrites there. I think Megyn Kelly fancies herself a big Christian family values person. What kind of family and what kind of Christian are you when you're sitting there judging Cindy Crawford and her family and saying there's something going on in the family when her fucking son just died, when he was going to get help.
18:58Angie Sullivan:He was going to help. And here's the thing. Addiction is a disease. It is a disease, a brain disease. and it kills people. It's not a conscious choice. Presley Gerber did not wake up and think, I want to fuck my life up today. He is a drug addict and he has a brain disease. And some of the consequences of this disease is fatality, sadly, and it takes too many people. And so this is who MAGA is. And for all of the MAGA people that have addicts in your family, and your family members on drugs or high or drunk and commits a crime. This is how your community is going to treat your loved one. And it's all fun and games until it's your little darling that's been arrested and is in the orange jumpsuit or in the morgue.
19:45Angie Sullivan:And then you'll be like, well, that was really mean of them. But up until that point, full-blown participation in all of it. Yeah, I agree completely. And it's painful to have to listen to her. I mean, being a recovering addict, her characterization of that, but people like her, you can't negotiate with the truth with her. You can't use reason and logic with her. She's not interested in that. She's lying. She's full of hateful rhetoric and she doesn't care. And so that's where we are in today's day and age. And we talk about this a lot with other marginalized kids, you know, trans kids and stuff.
20:25the hate that comes out of people's mouths and how that makes you feel. And I just, I hope we get some leaders that are going to fight back for a change. I mean, and literally, I mean this fight as dirty as they fight. And I'm sorry if that's a, if that's the wrong message, but, but I'm tired of all the bullshit.
20:42Angie Sullivan:I think in order to defeat MAGA, I think you're right. I think once MAGA is defeated, then I prefer, and I think we all prefer decorum and making society better, but they don't understand that. They laugh at us. They laughed at the Biden administration when they were doing the transition. The Trump administration said, God, they're being so professional and working with us. What a bunch of losers. You know? All right. That's all we have. Please like and subscribe to our channel. Pre-order my book and we will be back later with more news.
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