In short
The host argues that MAGA/Trump-aligned politics and anti-expert, anti-vaccine policies are driving worse health outcomes for conservatives, citing a study showing an ideological health gap and claiming RFK Jr. has accelerated politicized health policy.
Guest backgrounds
No guests are identified; the transcript is a monologue citing “Elizabeth Elder, a co-author” interviewed by Fast Company.
Key claims
By 2020 conservatives show higher illness and death rates than liberals (heart disease, cancer, stroke); the gap widened since 2020; trust in doctors/medical systems declined during COVID-era mask/vaccine fights; RFK Jr.’s anti-vaccination agenda and broader GOP policies (e.g., EPA “forever chemicals,” reduced Medicare/Medicaid) worsen preventable deaths.
Notable examples
A COVID anecdote where a Fox News–influenced mother-in-law refused vaccination and later died; mention of a charged mother accused of murdering her 18-month-old twins after claiming vaccines killed them.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOThe Health Divide: Conservatives vs. Liberals
0:31 to 3:16
Discussing a study showing conservatives are dying at higher rates than liberals due to health issues.
“I've always maintained that MAGA is an anti-family death cult, and now the science is confirming just that.”
MAGA and the Anti-Science Movement
3:16 to 5:27
Exploring how the MAGA movement's distrust in science affects public health outcomes.
“that conservative died earlier than liberals because they refused to listen to expertise.”
Consequences of Health Policy Decisions
5:27 to 8:01
Examining the negative impacts of recent health policies and the underlying political motivations.
“Their stupidity and the hubris in which they operate with their stupidity.”
A Call for Empathy and Health Care
8:01 to 10:00
A passionate plea for empathy towards those affected by conservative health policies and the need for accessible health care.
“And leadership like this at the top leads to outcomes like this.”
Transcript
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0:31Angie Sullivan:I've always maintained that MAGA is an anti-family death cult, and now the science is confirming just that. A new study coming out, pop this up, conservatives are dying at a higher rate than liberals, according to this new study. The study shows that conservatives are more likely than liberals to get sick with serious illness. Let's pop this up. A paper published last month analyzed individual health data from long-term study of a large representative sample of Americans across all 50 states. 2010 is the last year in which we can say fairly clearly that there is not this gap, Elizabeth Elder, a co-author of the study, tells Fast Company.
1:15Angie Sullivan:By 2020, we have pretty clear evidence of a gap in which conservatives are less healthy than liberals. By 2016, the gap had begun to appear in biomarker measures. By 2020, it was showing up in deaths from causes such as heart disease, cancer, and stroke. Since then, the gap has only widened. Between 2020 and 2022, only 0.2 % of very liberal respondents died of internal causes compared with 1.34 % of very conservative respondents. So this is what reason I want to talk to you about this. You have a political party that claims that they are the expert in everything, yet they have fired all experts.
2:02Angie Sullivan:And of course, I'm talking about MAGA. Trump famously brags about saying, I like a doctor if they tell me I'm healthy. So he's saying, I don't want the truth. I want to hear what is appealing to my fragile ego. And then I'll think you're a good doctor. And here's just some anecdotal evidence from this. my brother uh was married to a gal whose mom was a fox news thumper major maga thumper and this is during covid and he went over to his mother-in-law's house and said hey you know how you doing did you get the covid shot and she said i don't know what's in that what's in it and she's sitting there drinking a mountain dew my brother said well you don't know what's in that mountain dew either do you she's like well i mean you know they're saying i shouldn't take it so she's watching Fox News, who everybody at Fox News got vaccinated in New York, but yet they're telling all of their viewers, don't believe in the science.
2:57Angie Sullivan:And you have this whole anti-vax craziness. Fast forward, the next time my brother saw his mother-in-law was in a morgue. She got COVID and it killed her because she had pre-existing conditions. So had she gotten the COVID vaccine, more than likely she would be alive today. But because of this anti-science propaganda, that conservative died earlier than liberals because they refused to listen to expertise. These are the people that are conducting their own research on Facebook. And I wish that, you know, that wasn't a thing, but it seems to be growing by the day. Going back to the study, the study lays out how the rights attack on science is spilling out into real life healthcare of people.
3:41Angie Sullivan:Let's pop this up. Reporting on how politics is spilling out into real-life healthcare, the authors argue in the study that the divide cannot be explained away by COVID-19 deaths, demographic differences, geography, or the simple fact that some groups are older than others. Instead, they point to a widening ideological divide in trust towards doctors and the broader medical system. The crisis of trust accelerated during the COVID-19 pandemic with fights over masks and vaccines spilling out from social media into everyday life. Now it extends into other health matters, such as taking blood pressure medication or seeing a doctor for chest pains.
4:26Angie Sullivan:The dismantling of trusting people who go to medical school for decades. And I mean, these are people that have no social life for years because they're grinding in science, in data, in medical textbooks, in classes. To think that you know more than they do because you're all in this mind rot of Maha. Only to prove my hypothesis that I've been preaching on this podcast for two years. MAGA is an anti-family death cult. when you don't listen to experts, when you don't listen to decades of scientific data that is then fact, it is a fact that vaccines have reduced deaths nationwide globally over the last century.
5:19Angie Sullivan:That is just a fact. And when you start to think you know better than scientists, then your stupidity is going to kill you. And that's what's killing MAGA. Their stupidity and the hubris in which they operate with their stupidity. And then we have RFK. RFK's appointment as DHS secretary has exacerbated this problem. Let's pop this up. Since the gap emerged in 2020, health in the U.S. has become increasingly politicized. Since Robert F. Kennedy Jr. assumed the role of secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services under President Donald Trump, Federal health policy has been reshaped by the Make America Healthy Again movement.
6:03Angie Sullivan:RFK Jr.'s anti-vaccination agenda has gained ground as more red states work to eliminate vaccine mandates, while Maha and Maha-adjacent wellness influencers have cast doubt on everything from sunscreen to chemotherapy. So again, this is a movement that is killing people. When you think about all of their policies, think about what's happening at the EPA. Trump has made a lot of forever chemicals which cause cancer legal. The Supreme Court has upheld cancer, that they want the American citizens to get cancer because they value the profits of Roundup over their well-being of their citizens. And when you put into picture the fact that all of these evangelical Christians that support Donald Trump, he would not have won the presidency without the evangelical support.
7:01Angie Sullivan:80, 90 percent went out and voted for him. They lecture us about life. They have taken away a woman's right of bodily autonomy. They talk about family. There is nothing as anti-family as not believing in health care. You have to believe in a proactive, not a reactive form of health care that treats the electorate. It is mind boggling to other first world countries, even some not even rich countries, that the United States of America, the richest country that's ever existed on the face of the planet, has people that die of illnesses that are completely preventable. And the Republican Party's OK with it.
7:44Angie Sullivan:And how do we know this? Because in the big, beautiful bill, they are taking away Medicare, Medicaid from people. They are removing social safety nets. This is a party of poverty. This is a party of sickness. This is a party of child sex crimes. And this is a pro-death cult. And leadership like this at the top leads to outcomes like this. Let's pop this up. A mom who said vaccines killed her 18-month-old twins on RFK Jr.'s Children's Health Defense podcast has been charged with murder. And so it's really depressing when you think about all of the opportunity that's in this country, the opportunity to get educated, the opportunity to make a life for yourself.
8:35Angie Sullivan:and the Republican Party wants to prevent the poorest people in the country from having those opportunities. While at the same time, they want to blame these people for their poverty. They want to blame them and call them lazy, call them dumb asses. And then they blame the liberals for not having empathy for them. And here's the thing. I don't have a lot of empathy for triple Trumpers. I don't. I really hate their guts. I genuinely do. I fucking hate these people, but I don't want them to die. I want them to have health care. I want their kids to be able to go to school without getting shot. I want them to be able to go on their shitty vacations if they can afford them and get them and not worry about gun violence.
9:17Angie Sullivan:I want them to be able to have access to health care. I want their children to be vaccinated so they don't have to die of preventable diseases. I want them to not worry about the petty issues of other people's lives. If people are gay, if they're lesbians, if they're queer, if they're trans, it's simply not your business. But I don't know how to teach that. I don't know how to teach empathy to a group of people that when they see suffering, their first instinct is anger, not empathy. And I don't know how you fix that. But at the end of the day, I fucking hate these people. It's sad as shit that they're dying, but this is survival of the fittest and their stupidity is killing them.
9:59Angie Sullivan:All right. That's all I have, like, subscribe, comment. We'll be back later with more news.
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