In short
The episode is a political discussion reacting to Donald Trump’s recent UN General Assembly appearance and broader media coverage. Guests argue Trump undermines the UN’s post–World War II purpose (peace/sovereignty) and attacks journalists, especially Caitlin Collins, calling her a “sleazebag” and claiming she has “Trump addiction.” They criticize corporate media for not defending reporters and for platforming Scott Jennings as an “equivalency” with right-wing lies. They also discuss Mitch McConnell’s apparent disengagement and question whether Jennings had a “20-minute conversation” with him. They claim Trump’s administration is uniquely corrupt, citing “Trump coin,” “Melania coin,” pardons, and alleged pay-to-play. They analyze JD Vance’s “fraud czar” role as a Trump power move. Notable examples include Iran war claims (supposedly “two weeks”), UN speech about annihilating Iran, and election denial.
Guests
Adam Mockler (studio guest; CNN contributor/“truth teller” described by host) and Caitlin Collins (UN reporter discussed, not a guest).
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOConversations on Trump and Media
0:39 to 1:02
Hosts discuss Trump's recent behavior at the UN and interactions with media.
“We are in for a treat, MAGA Slayer, but more importantly and specifically, Scott Jennings Slayer.”
Media Responsibility and Trump
1:02 to 3:24
Discussion on the media's silence and responsibility in defending its journalists.
“I'm a big fan of the show and I'm excited to chat about the crazy week ahead with United Nations and Trump's lunacy.”
Trump's Impact on Free Press
3:24 to 5:52
Analyzing Trump's impact on freedom of the press and the media's response.
“So all of this is happening and the corporations are silent.”
The Incestuous Relationship of Power
5:52 to 6:41
Discussion on the intertwining of billionaires and politics regarding Trump.
“There are special interest groups that work to basically get Donald Trump on their side, and then they'll turn a blind eye.”
Scott Jennings and the Senate
6:41 to 7:16
Hosts discuss a video clip of Mitch McConnell and Scott Jennings' claims.
“I would be remiss if I didn't bring up Mitch McConnell.”
Scott Jennings and the Senate
7:43 to 7:54
Hosts discuss a video clip of Mitch McConnell and Scott Jennings' claims.
“I think that Scott Jennings may have been talking to McConnell, but I don't think McConnell was talking back.”
Equivalency in Media Coverage
7:54 to 10:16
Hosts discuss media's treatment of right-wing views versus left-wing views.
“Like, McConnell was probably staring off into the distance with his eyes, like, half closed.”
MAGA Supporters and Accountability
10:16 to 12:04
Hosts critique the accountability of MAGA supporters and their stance on democracy.
“You know how he'll say something condescending?”
J.D. Vance and Trump's Power Play
12:04 to 14:00
Discussing Trump's appointment of J.D. Vance and its implications.
“You know, I hope this doesn't sound controversial, but I think it's genuinely emasculating when many of these guys go out there and they are constantly lying for Donald Trump.”
Humorous Banter Among Friends
14:00 to 14:27
The hosts share light-hearted jokes and banter, reflecting on humor in political commentary.
“That's just a real knee slapper, isn't it?”
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Trump's Power Plays and Manipulations
14:27 to 17:06
The discussion centers on Donald Trump's strategic appointments and manipulative tactics, particularly regarding J.D. Vance.
“I think it's kind of, I think he loves having power over people.”
Republicans Distancing from Trump
17:06 to 19:13
The hosts analyze how Republican candidates are beginning to distance themselves from Trump as midterm elections approach.
“And I think it's just a complete mafia style government.”
The Impact of Trump's Policies on Republican Candidates
19:13 to 22:41
Exploration of how Trump's unpopular policies are affecting Republican candidates' strategies and public reception.
“So he's in a red state and he's trying to distance himself from Donald Trump's insane policies.”
Accountability for Trump Supporters
22:41 to 25:03
Discussion on the need for accountability among those who supported Trump and the long-term implications of their political choices.
“He thinks that he has to save his political career by towing the line.”
The Nature of Modern Capitalism and Special Interests
25:03 to 27:55
A critical examination of modern capitalism, discussing the influence of special interest groups and the need for systemic change.
“Fox tries a gotcha question on Abdul Al-Sayed and it backfires.”
Corporate Distortion and Production Control
28:03 to 29:40
Explore how corporate interests distort markets and control production in the U.S.
“So if you're the manufacturer, you have to go through a car dealership, which makes it more costly.”
Trump's Unlikely Communism
29:40 to 30:04
Discussion on how Trump acts akin to a communist by favoring billionaires.
“Donald Trump had got into office, put tariffs on different things and started to pick winners and pick losers.”
Transcript
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0:46Adam Mockler:We are in for a treat, MAGA Slayer, but more importantly and specifically, Scott Jennings Slayer. Adam Mockler is here with me in studio in New York City. Adam, thank you so much for all the work you do. I'm so thrilled to have you in studio. Thank you, Jennifer. I'm a big fan of the show and I'm excited to chat about the crazy week ahead with United Nations and Trump's lunacy. It's insane. So of course, you know, he went to the United Nations yesterday. Caitlin Collins was there covering the event. She's asking him questions. He's a sexist asked as per usual. And then if that's not enough, then he gets home with the bunny boiler.
1:25Adam Mockler:That's what I call Natalie Hart. And then he tweets this or lie socials this. All of the sleazebags, like third rate reporter Caitlin Collins, a fake news CNN, a truly unhappy person. So they weren't going to be covering me. Then why were they ranting and raving like lunatics in the press area at the United Nations? Why was she there? She's got a Trump addiction. And so does CNN and MSDNC. They're all sick, treasonous, and demented. The good news is they have a great for them and totally disloyal judge. Make America great again. It's hard to read. I mean, he makes it really hard. I know. I'm sorry.
2:03Adam Mockler:Here's my question about this. He called her a sleazebag, treasonous, all of these things. Kaitlin Collins is an incredible journalist who is doing her job. At what point, you're on CNN a lot. I've guested on CNN some. At what point does the network have an obligation to put out a statement and stand up for her? I was asking the same question around the dinner, the big press dinner in DC where it got interrupted the first time around, the White House press weekend, right? Yes, yes. And every single time Donald Trump interacts with the media or engages with the media over the past decade. He yells at them.
2:44He demeans female reporters, tells Caitlin Collins to smile a little bit more. Isn't that sexism 101, trying to tell her to smile a little bit more? And yet the corporations will not come out and defend them fully. I feel like when the White House Correspondents Dinner happened, that would have been a really good moment for Donald Trump to be shown by the press as a whole who's really in control. They're not going to sit there and play his games and let him dominate the narrative. And now with United Nations General Assembly Week, Caitlin Collins had a press pass from the United Nations. She wasn't there just to cover Trump or just to cover MAGA or anything like that.
3:19She had a press pass to go cover what's happening and do her job. So it disgusts me that these corporations are still bending the knee. I mean, allowing even people like Scott Jennings to continue to go on air and lie all the time while he's working for an organization that is basically funded by Israel, or at least the leader is a foreign registered agent for Israel. So all of this is happening and the corporations are silent. It's despicable, honestly.
3:42Adam Mockler:It really is despicable. It's so despicable because as we watch Trump 2.0, as we watch it unfold and we saw all of these billionaires who have fuck you money, who could have said, I'm not going to your inauguration. We're sitting this out. You got four years. You're 80. Tough titties. We're not playing with you. They go and race and bend the knee. And then you see him continue his abuse towards women, towards immigrants, towards LGBTQ plus community, the gutting of the Voting Rights Act towards continued racism, both overt and cohort to the black community. And it's like, who is going to stand up for these people that he is attacking?
4:21Adam Mockler:And as it pertains to CNN, as you know, this week, Democratic Attorney General's bent the knee. And now this super merger is pushing through. And how can we expect somebody like David and Larry Ellison to stand up for the First Amendment when they can't even stand up for Caitlin Collins? We can't. And you know what? It reminds me of, so when Trump did go to the White House Correspondents Dinner, he was uprooting everything that is supposed to be protected about American journalism, American free speech, and American press. He went into that, and he was the antithesis of what freedom of press should be.
5:01It was the same thing with the United Nations. Honestly, on the topic of the United Nations speech that he gave, he went there, and he was talking about how he wants to annihilate Iran, and how basically might makes right, and that we should be starting these wars and that it doesn't matter because we have the power to do so. That is the opposite of what the United Nations was founded on. When the United Nations was founded right after World War II, it was to protect peace, to protect sovereignty, to make sure we're all working together across the globe. So Donald Trump walks on stage at the UN General Assembly and gives a speech that undermines everything that we're supposed to love about, I don't know, a peaceful coalition of countries.
5:39The same thing with the White House Correspondent Center. He walks on stage and undermines every single thing that we're supposed to love about freedom of press. The reason why many of these billionaires don't push back is because the relationship is incestuous. There are special interest groups that work to basically get Donald Trump on their side, and then they'll turn a blind eye. Like you said, there's a reason why these billionaires were at the inauguration. There's a reason why these tech elites love to mingle with Donald Trump. Many of them aren't even super conservative. They just understand the power game that they're playing.
6:10And that's the reality.
6:11Adam Mockler:I had a professor, Timothy Snyder, explain it to me that when you become a billionaire, that description of yourself supersedes everything else, being an American, being Russian, being Saudi, whatever, then you have the billionaire class and they operate by a completely different set of rules. They don't care about governments. They don't care about the citizens other than exploiting and fleecing them. But speaking of old crazy people that do crazy stuff. I would be remiss if I didn't bring up Mitch McConnell. And I'm about to play a video for you of him just yesterday at the Capitol. And the question that I'm going to ask you immediately after this is, do we still believe that Scott Jennings had a 20 minute phone conversation with this corpse?
7:01Adam Mockler:Play the clip. How was your weekend, Senator McConnell? Did you have a good weekend sir? Are you ready for a new work week? Hi Senator. Good to see you sir. Hey y 'all, Kelly Clarkson here with Wayfair. You know my favorite compliment during the holidays? Your house feels so cozy. That's when I know everyone's comfortable enough to kick off their shoes, grab more dessert, and stay a little longer. Wayfair makes it easy, with everything from dining furniture to festive guest room essentials, all in one place. So whether you're hosting for an afternoon or all weekend, everyone feels right at home.
7:38Adam Mockler:Get holiday guests ready at Wayfair.com or on the Wayfair app today. Wayfair, every style, every home. Adam. I think that Scott Jennings may have been talking to McConnell, but I don't think McConnell was talking back. I don't think it was a two-way conversation. Like, McConnell was probably staring off into the distance with his eyes, like, half closed. I don't know if it was a two-way conversation there because there is no way that shell of a human being is capable of having any sort of conversation that's sophisticated in any way. Right. And Scott Jennings said they had a 20-minute conversation about the history of the Senate, the history of the Senate.
8:14About Ukraine, about Iran, these nuanced, sophisticated topics. I'm sure McConnell was speaking just like Shakespeare. He's got a really good understanding of AI, I'm sure.
8:23Adam Mockler:To the larger point, you mentioned this in the first part of this, that CNN will have you who's speaking the truth and then platforming a propagandist next to you and putting those out there as though those are equivalencies when inherently they are false equivalencies. Now, I want to say first and foremost, and I speak for myself, a lot of my friends and all of my audience, watching you on CNN is pure joy. That means a lot. Thank you. Truly. I mean, you do such a good job. And just like Jessica Tarlov on Fox, I think it's so important to have truth tellers. But what do you think in the aftermath of all this MAGA shit and looking back on how the press has sane washed and platformed a liar, ass kisser, like Scott Jennings next to you as though y 'all are equals?
9:15The problem is, if we just zoom out, that the media is on an asymmetric playing field when it comes to right-wing views versus left-wing views. And the right-wingers inherently benefit from our current media ecosystem. Scott Jennings benefits from the fact that he can tell a lie. And then the panel oftentimes just moves on due to the time constraints. He can tell a lie and nobody generally debunks it in a very convincing manner because you only have about five minutes to get a point across. The media infrastructure also benefits the right-wingers because when you tell a lie and when you try to control a headline like Trump and Scott Jennings do all the time, the media will then report that and like put that lie in the headline, even if it's in quotes.
9:53So right now we're on an asymmetric playing field. And when I went into those debates, my entire thesis was, I want to level the playing field. If he's going to tell a lie, I'm not just going to let everybody move on. I'm going to assert myself and be a little bit more aggressive than most other people. I think you do a great job on that show as well. I've really enjoyed a lot of your clips as well. I think that it's important to assert yourself and not play by their rules. You know how he'll say something condescending? Scott Jennings will cut off some woman that's speaking and then lean back like he won the interaction and then everyone just has to move on.
10:24F that. We are not just going to move on from your straight up lies. The Iran war is 200 days in. He said it was going to be two weeks. The nuclear material is still over there in Iran. He said that we've won and we have it now. I mean, right now there is an oil crisis being created in the Middle East as the Houthis and as Iran are continuing to push this war that the United States illegally and unconstitutionally started and scott jennings is still saying that we are winning this war so you know after that entire ramp ran i'm sorry what was your original question what
10:54Adam Mockler:was the question i i don't know but i loved everything picking up everything that you put down i love where i don't know what the question was but i love where you took it do you get what i'm saying about this asymmetric playing field that's what we have to punch back yeah and we can't let them just dominate the narrative constantly no you know what i would do and And if you and I had a show on CNN or MSNBC, I would exclusively invite MAGA people on, and I want to buzz her. And if they say something that's a lie, I could just go, wrong answer. You have two more tries, and then we're getting the hook.
11:24Adam Mockler:And then just get a big, giant hook and just hook them off the screen. Like publicly shame the lies, because lying to cover up for a criminal regime is what will define Scott Jennings forever. Forever. He had a brief moment of clarity after January 6th. And then the temptation to be an ass kisser and to be a Trump sycophant, I guess for these beta MAGA men is so appealing. And it's their default setting. Being tough guys and standing up on principle is not their first instinct. But kissing ass, being a submissive trad wife, being a Trump fluffer, because that's all, you know, like these porn stars have fluffers.
12:04Yeah, no, I get it.
12:05Adam Mockler:What he does. He just fluffs Trump all the time. You know, I hope this doesn't sound controversial, but I think it's genuinely emasculating when many of these guys go out there and they are constantly lying for Donald Trump. There's this one question I always ask Trump supporters and it gets them. You just ask them, who won the 2020 election? It's the most simple question ever. And these people who claim to be masculine, macho men begin to wither away and sweat on stage because they can't answer it. I swear to you, they go. Technically, Joe Biden was sworn in on this date. no dude if you're the alpha macho man that you claim you are just stand up for democracy stand up for america i i've been calling them traitors to their face i had this debate with cj pierce and this conservative commentator and i looked at his face and i said you're a traitor to this country you're trying to say that every election that you lose is rigged how can you stand here and claim to actually care about america in any meaningful way so yeah i mean all these people who are going on tv constantly spewing lies i think it makes you less of a human like a shell of a human who is basically just a sex toy for the president of the United States.
13:08Totally. Yeah, yeah.
13:09Adam Mockler:I don't think it's controversial at all. I think you're spitting facts right there, and I think they are sex toys, and I'm going to take that because I think that's brilliant. I'm going to add that to my arsenal of critiques on them. Thank you for that. Speaking of sex toys, the smoky-eyed sociopath, Vice President J.D. Vance, makes an absolute hilarious joke, and we all know how hilarious he is, at his fraud press conference, which we'll get into how Donald Trump is fucking J.D. Vance on purpose to say, I'm committing fraud all day in broad daylight. I'm going to pin it on you. You're going to be the fraud czar, which I personally love.
13:49Adam Mockler:Okay, so play the clip. And with that, I have my notes here that I'm supposed to take questions from CNN and Politico. Anybody from CNN Politico here? No? Okay. All right. In the green jacket. That's just a real knee slapper, isn't it? Good one. Good one, J.D. Vance. Yeah, my abs are sore from laughing my ass off at that guy. He had one the other day. He said, fart left at a rally. I saw it. It was bad. It was so cringe. Yeah, my girlfriend was like, if you ever say anything like that, we're actually breaking up. If you ever make a joke like that, It's actually over. Okay. So what do you make of Donald Trump appointing him to be the fraud czar?
14:27Adam Mockler:I think it's kind of, I think he loves having power over people. I think he's always been resentful. This is just my own theory. He's always been resentful of J.D. Vance because he didn't want J.D. Vance. The tech oligarchs wanted J.D. Vance. And Donald Trump was facing prison and bankruptcy prior to winning this. And they were like, look, we'll send you hundreds of millions, but you have to put our boy in there. And I think this is an intentional rat fuck by Donald Trump to go, I'm putting you in charge. You know, big guy. It's not even the first time Trump has done this. Now that you're saying this, Trump is the one who sent J.D.
15:00Vance to Islamabad and to Geneva in order to negotiate. Yeah. In order to negotiate multiple different Iran peace deals that immediately fell through. Then he sent J.D. Vance to campaign for Viktor Orban and Viktor Orban immediately lost. so he basically sends jd vance on these international trips that are doomed from the start i remember commentating over this and saying these islamabad negotiations aren't going to go anywhere and jd vance is basically walking into a trap so i mean when you look at what's happening nowadays i think it's the exact same thing this is the most corrupt administration in american history i'm not just saying that as a talking point i mean from the moment donald trump entered office he launched something called trump coin which was leveraging the hype of his own presidency to enrich himself.
15:43Then he launched Melania coin. Then he pardoned CZ, the founder of Binance, who helped them build that. And then CZ is responsible for a bunch of awful stuff. But then a$2 billion investment was facilitated from the UAE, I believe, into a World Liberty Financial. And then Trump created a pay for play pardon economy, which is what my team calls it, where he basically can pardon hundreds of individuals as long as they pay into MAGA Inc. and pay into his super PACs. Obviously, I don't have to mention them selling early access to Truth Social for$100 ,000 a month, where Trump tweets about the Iran war and individual stocks people should buy.
16:20It is the most fraudulent administration in American history. And to see J.D. Vance up there try to pull the wool over the eyes of the American people, it's laughable. He doesn't have the charisma to do it. It's very clear that he is being suffocated by the corruption around him. And it's not going to work. Yes, Nancy Pelosi, if she does insider trading, should be called out for that. But that is like one thousandth of the corruption that Trump engages in on a daily basis. It is a different stratosphere right now.
16:49Adam Mockler:I totally agree with you. And as you just list, really just a handful, not even the full scope, but just what you rattled off of just how corrupt it is. It's so overwhelming because one thing Steve Bannon said, we're going to flood the zone. They have flooded the zone with breaking the law and stealing from people. And I think it's just a complete mafia style government. But the Republicans are starting to distance themselves from Trump ahead of the midterms a little bit. They have a tinge of self-preservation, I guess. So they're tiptoeing into finding a tinge of courage pop this up byron donald's campaign updated his website this week stripping away numerous references to trump's endorsement removing his photo with the president and taking enact the trump agenda off his issues page this i mean byron has been incredibly submissive trad wife to Donald Trump.
17:53Adam Mockler:This is really, really humiliating for Donald Trump. And I wish that corporate media would really amplify this because that is a slap in the face if I've ever seen one. That is brutal. It's like when you clear your Instagram of your pictures of you and your ex, you scrubbed it all. You're not going to get away with that, Byron. I mean, we've been seeing this with a lot of people. So there's Salazar out of Florida, a Republican, And she made that ad the other day that was like, hey, Donald Trump, you have betrayed a lot of the Latino, Latina community on this issue. We have Republicans not showing up to his Dallas RNC event, intentionally trying to distance themselves from him.
18:33And it's a function of him betraying the American people on any single issue that you can list. No new wars. Well, we have a new war. No inflation. Inflation is worse than when he got into office. It seems like even on immigration, an issue where he hypothetically should be popular, he is unpopular and underwater on both internal and external immigration enforcement. The ICE shootings, the murders back in January really soured the American people on Donald Trump's radical immigration style. Then he tried to overturn birthright citizenship, all this radical bullshit. The point is politicians are realizing they have to distance themselves from a lot of this unpopular policy if they want to have a chance.
19:12And to see Byron Donalds do that, that is absolutely absurd. I mean, he's in Florida, right? So he's in a red state and he's trying to distance himself from Donald Trump's insane policies. Actually, Salazar is from Florida too. So there is a very real chance that Latino communities in Florida are so soured on Trump that that's why Byron Donalds had to do that.
19:33Adam Mockler:It's a really good point. Both of them from Florida, which has turned ruby red of late. It used to be a swing state. Purple would go blue. It would go red back and forth. But now Now it's pretty reliably read. I would argue that the policies of Governor Kittenhill's, that's what I call him, Ron DeSantis, because he wears a little lift in his boots. I don't know if you've seen that. Yeah, I've seen it. Governor Kittenhill and his hatred and how he, the Pulse nightclub, and he painted over that memorial of the pride flag, that's just completely hateful. And you see these immigration policies that are so inhumane, locking little kids up and and Stephen Miller and that Stephen Chung, how they like to put that on the White House feed that as like catnip, you know, that they enjoy this type of cruelty.
20:21Adam Mockler:But there's an incredible Senate candidate down there. I've had her on my podcast, Angie Nixon. I am just, I hope that this woman wins. I follow her on Instagram. I've had her on the podcast. She is, you know, we need high quality candidates. One thing is it pertains to Byron and Salazar that we need to make sure. there's really no atoning for this in a passive aggressive way. You don't get to passively scrub Donald Trump from your website. In the case of Salazar, say your advisors, her commercial, your advisors are giving you bad advice. That's not how this works. Buck stops with him. The buck stops with him.
20:58Adam Mockler:And short of them saying, I screwed up. This guy is a liar. The smoky eyed sociopath is a hundred percent correct. He is America's Hitler. I fucked up. I'm doing a 180, I don't deserve your vote anymore, but I want to make amends and try to get this country back. Short of that, these people should be canceled, sent out to the pasture, investigated out the wazoo, because we can't allow that type of skirting. I agree. We can't forget as a whole who supported Trump. I swear in about five years, there's going to be a huge lack of people who openly talk about how they supported Trump. We're going to have a really hard time finding Trump voters in five years.
21:37Everyone's going to have been checked out during that time or, you know, COVID just has my brain foggy. I don't remember who I voted for during that time. I swear to God, we need to make sure that we are remembering who ran defense for this administration. Honestly, in my mind, there's a difference between like the average person who was just caught up and like, they genuinely are so apolitical that they're 19 years old, their first time voting, they vote for this. I have friends who got swept up into this. That's one conversation, But there is another conversation for the politicians, the pundits, the people carrying water on a daily basis, the business leaders who are showing up.
22:11And yes, a lot of these average voters who continue to show up to rally after rally after rally, despite all of the cruelty and racism and misogyny and Islamophobia a lot nowadays and continue to run defense for this. I mean, when I talk to people on a debate stage and I debate like the C.J. Pearson guy and I say, who won the 2020 election? And he can't answer this question in any meaningful way. That should carry him around for the rest of his political career. And it's kind of ironic because he's like 23 right now. So he's doing it to save his political career at a young age. He thinks that he has to save his political career by towing the line.
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22:45I think over the next few decades, this will end up tanking and nuking a lot of people's political careers. So do not forget, do not let the people around you gaslight you in five years and say, I mean, I wasn't that big into Trump. That's what they're going to do. I wasn't that big into him. I just thought he was better than the Democrats. F that. F that.
23:02Adam Mockler:I completely agree. You know what's interesting about your question, who won the 2020 election? I watched these Senate hearings for federal judges, lifetime appointments, people that went to law school and passed the bar. and there's these senators are asking them who won the 2020 election and these emasculated fluffers cannot say i didn't vote for him but joe biden won and i always think about it in terms of this i'm a huge tennis fan and sometimes if like carlos alcaraz is playing yannick center there's no clock in tennis there's no bench there's no sub out it goes on as long as it goes on until somebody wins by two, right?
23:44Adam Mockler:And they play for five, six hours sometimes, five to six hours. And I imagine if you're the runner up and you lose, you want to go into the locker room and just cry or beat your racket up against the wall or just do something. You'd be so pissed, you'd put that much time in and you lost. They have to shake hands and then stand on stage together for an entire trophy presentation and be gracious and take media questions. and you know if you lost you probably want to go snot sling you probably shouldn't go snot sling cry and nobody in the maga movement can do this from trump who had to pack his toys up and couldn't participate in the peaceful transfer of power all the way down to the guy that you debated to federal judges lifetime appointment it's a that's really such a great they think that's a big this is the ultimate loyal loyalty test but i like where you are with it it's the ultimate how big of a dipshit are you test yeah yeah imagine if you asked the tennis player who won and they said, well, technically my opponent was holding the trophy or whatever.
24:44They just completely skirt around it. That is the equivalent of what's happening here. And it's despicable. I think we should continue holding these people accountable. When it comes to the election denial, it is all top down from Donald Trump and the lies that he spreads. We just need to be pushing back against this.
25:01Adam Mockler:I completely agree. Okay. A couple more points before we wrap here. Fox tries a gotcha question on Abdul Al-Sayed and it backfires. Play the clip. Capitalist, what do you mean? Capitalism is the process by which we enable supply and demand to allocate capital so that it's the most productive in an economy. We are not in a situation where we have capitalism, we have corporatism. I mean, inject that shit into my veins. I like smart candidates that know how to answer questions. Yeah, that was a really good answer. And I like how he defined it so perfectly. People throw around a lot of these terms like, oh, you're a socialist, you're a communist, you're a capitalist.
25:40I think when we're talking about the modern day Democratic Party and the modern day voter base in the Democratic Party, the voters of Democratic politicians aren't out here like studying Karl Marx and turning into like far, far left people. People literally just want change. And when we see corporations controlling our economy, of course, we're going to be voting for change agents and change candidates. I have to debate so many conservatives and they always say Abdul El-Sayed is some radical DSA member. He's not a DSA member. He's not radical. He is very steady handed and he just understands the moment that we're in.
26:13So I think there is a version, kind of like the Nordic model of democracy. And I don't even like to use the word capitalism because it just becomes so tainted and it's so awful. But I think there's a version of a system where we do focus on supply and demand while having strong social safety nets, making sure that every member of society is taken care of, that everybody has the equal opportunity but while also respecting some of the economic, you know, things like supply and demand, I think, is overall rather important to keep. So I like what Abdul said there. It's perfect.
26:43Adam Mockler:I do, too. I think it's really important because everybody's talking about capitalism, capitalism, capitalism, unregulated capitalism incubated Trump because it didn't deliver for people materially and it shifted and transferred the money out. But if you look back to the time that the Democratic Party was its most popular, its most successful, it was during FDR's ring. And he really regulated capitalism in order to preserve it, while at the same time materially delivering for workers and fighting for workers. And we have all of these capitalists with no capital fighting for Elon Musk to have more.
27:18Adam Mockler:It's just the weirdest shit I've ever seen. To me, the big problem is just the special interest groups that have captured a lot of our institutions and have made our institutions work for the richest of the rich. So, I mean, the big one that people point to is obviously APAC, a huge special interest group that pours money into campaigns and forces these politicians to take, you know, positions that are not popular with the base. Right now, we see this across all different fields. Politicians are taking positions that aren't popular with voters or don't help voters because of special interest groups.
27:49And that needs to be rewired. I mean, there's like a realtor lobby. There's a health care lobby. There's lobbies across every single industry that make it slightly harder. And it's true. There's even like, I mean, one of my friends always points this out. In most states in the United States, they have banned direct to buyer car sales. So if you're the manufacturer, you have to go through a car dealership, which makes it more costly. It makes it more burdensome and it makes it harder. You could just do direct from manufacturer to buyer, but they've banned that because the car dealership lobby wants to take that extra little money.
28:23in the middle. The point that I'm making here is everything has been distorted by corporations and by money and by special interest groups. If we could take a step back and rewire our system to focus on the needs of the people, I think that's really smart. That's what Abdul is doing.
28:37Adam Mockler:And I want to leave you all with this. I watched this YouTube clip. No, I'm sorry. Instagram clip by, I forget his name, Michael something cook. I'll figure it out. But anyway, he talked about how this whole communism scare is such bullshit. Because what communism means is you capture production and control it. What we are living with right now is corporate communism. They have captured all the means of production from everybody. You have BlackRock buying out small businesses all over the place, controlling all means of production. And so we kind of have communism right now for the billionaires.
29:15Adam Mockler:They are controlling all the means of production. And so I is just these spaces, the work that you do, these conversations that we are having is so important because there is a very thirsty electorate out there that is engaged and fired up to go vote in the midterms. And so I just think, I just can't thank you enough. And if you loved Adam, do not worry because he's going to stick around and we're going to record another episode. Thank you. Let me really quickly just say Trump is more of a communist than any Democrat running for office right now. Donald Trump had got into office, put tariffs on different things and started to pick winners and pick losers.
29:50He then took a stake in Intel and multiple other corporations. Donald Trump is operating as a communist who just helps the billionaires and actually wants to blind you to the fact that he can't fix anything. But thank you so much. This was a great conversation.
30:04Adam Mockler:I loved it. Let's do it. Let's do another hit. All right. We'll be right back.
30:43Adam Mockler:We'll see you next time. on the Wayfair app today. Wayfair, every style, every home.
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