In short
The hosts attack CPAC as “cult-like,” claim Trump is “off script” and increasingly sexually explicit, argue MAGA is panicking about internal succession, and warn that J.D. Vance is the likely heir/next threat. They also criticize Trump’s priorities (e.g., White House renovations) and argue oligarchs/wealthy elites exploit working-class Americans, including to fund wars and tax avoidance.
Guest backgrounds
No guests are named in the transcript. The host references “Ruth Ben-Ghiat” as a prior show guest/scholar.
Key claims
CPAC attendees would believe anything Trump says; Trump will soon make “deathbed confessions.” The Q&A is framed as enabling sexual questions. Trump’s supporters tolerate cruelty and economic collapse. Vance is portrayed as opportunistic and pro-oligarch, positioning himself as “anti-war.”
Notable examples
CPAC “Cult Pack” remarks; Trump’s unscreened Q&A invitation (“You can talk sex”); hypothetical “Epstein files”/“Bubba” question; Trump’s White House/porch renovation clip; “I could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue” line; claims about Vance’s “couch”/sex rumors and past “Hitler” remark; Vance distancing from Iran war; mention of Tucker Carlson potentially anointing Vance.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOCritique of CPAC and Trump's Influence
0:45 to 4:30
A deep dive into the dynamics of Trump within the GOP and the absurdity of CPAC attendees.
“You think about it on the administration.”
Trump's Open Q&A and Media Manipulation
4:30 to 6:00
Discussion on Trump's unfiltered Q&A style and the media's role in shaping narratives.
“So I want to just thank everybody very much.”
Trump's Aging and Political Consequences
6:00 to 7:20
Exploring Trump's age, mental state, and how it impacts his political behavior.
“I'll do it because other presidents won't.”
The Oligarchy's Control over Working Class
7:20 to 12:40
An analysis of how the ruling class exploits the working class for wealth and power.
“These loose lips are going to start sinking ships and he's going to start really, it's starting right now.”
The Threat of J.D. Vance
12:40 to 14:00
Discussion on J.D. Vance as a rising political figure and his dangerous potential.
“And these people do not care about the working class except for to be parasitic off of them, their time, their lives, their money, etc.”
Fissures in the MAGA Movement
14:00 to 15:00
Explore the internal conflicts within the MAGA movement and the implications for future candidates.
“And they never blame Trump for anything.”
J.D. Vance's Political Maneuvering
15:00 to 17:00
Discussion on J.D. Vance's positioning and how he aims to become a dominant figure in the GOP.
“And Tucker, if Tucker doesn't run, he will anoint J.D.”
J.D. Vance's Family Values Rhetoric
17:00 to 18:13
Critique of J.D. Vance's use of family values as a political tool and its implications.
“But I do know it's about two or three people on the right.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:04All right, CPAC is, we should just call it instead of conservative PAC, we should call it cult pack. This is the biggest convention of misfits and sexual deviance. It's rumored yet again that Grindr crashed. I don't know if that's true or not, but I would believe it. But this is the kind of shit that they say at CPAC conventions, Cult Pack. Play the clip. It's in our body. We're a practical people. We don't follow radicals and ideologues and demagogues easily. I think that we have a great advantage to us. What we need to do is not fall for the traps that our opponents set for us. You think about it on the administration.
0:47They're always trying to come up with these divisions, a civil war in the White House. I have never seen a more cohesive White House in my life. They're trying to drive a wedge between, I don't know, the Vice President and the Secretary of State. They all endorse each other. They're all on the team. Effectively, the President has already endorsed Vance in 2028. I mean, it's so hilarious how they just say the quiet part out loud, like over and over and over again. In fact, Donald Trump does play Rubio and Vance against each other and he quite enjoys it. In fact, you guys fall prey to a demagogue so easily.
1:26You literally believe in nothing. It's staggering actually, and a real indictment on the American education system. It's also further an indictment on how we have let big church run amok and rake in hundreds of millions of dollars and cover up child sex crimes in the Baptist, in the Nazarenes, in the Catholics and on and Mormons and on and on and on and never gone in and fully investigated these churches and tax them that these churches are allowed to politic from the pulpit and guide the head of the snake as Jerry Falwell Jr. did. The guy who hired a pool boy to fuck his wife in a hotel room while he beat off in the corner, the president of Liberty University, Jerry Falwell, Christian extraordinaire, MAGA Trumper extraordinaire.
2:23He's the one who Michael Cohen made the deal with to get the evangelicals to support Trump. And it wasn't that big of a jump for the evangelicals to go there because all of this depravity and lying and hypocrisy is their life. This is white evangelical church culture put on the national scale. Well, and this guy telling this group of people, I mean, if you are willing to go to CPAC, you are so far down the rabbit hole. This is cult-like. But Trump publicly does all this shit. It's not like there's stories coming out from sources and blah, blah, blah. I mean, Trump says openly, who should I pick?
3:03Rubio or Vance? Like he loves this shit. So this guy sitting in front of this audience and convincing them, he could convince them that he had a bird on his head. And if he said, Donald Trump says, I have a bird on my head, they'd all say, oh my gosh, I see it. So the public, everybody at this convention should be embarrassed. The people that sat there should be embarrassed because that tells me they're the losers that Donald Trump likes to surround himself with because he can tell them anything and they believe it. Yeah, but I think they should be embarrassed, but they're never going to be. Never.
3:37They bask in entitlement and cruelty and propaganda. And the person who said that, that guy who spoke there, he knows it. And the people who run these organizations, they all talk behind Donald Trump's back. The reason that he even had to say, oh, everybody gets along so great. The Oval Office is so unified. The fact that he said that is such a tell because you know it's the most toxic environment imaginable. But I called this a few months ago. Donald Trump is we're entering the phase of deathbed confessions. And with each day that passes, we're getting closer and closer to finding out, number one, who Bubba is.
4:18Number two, he's going to start saying stuff like, you know, I never liked J.D. Vance. I do think he fucked couches. Or he's going to say something like that's going to be pretty big. Here's my evidence as to that. Play the clip. So I want to just thank everybody very much. And I'm asked to take a few questions. And unlike other politicians, they would like the questions screened. I don't ask for screening of the questions. You can ask me anything you want. You can talk sex. You can do whatever you want. I'm here for you. Whatever question you want, you can ask. So do you want to do that? Do we have some people handling this?
5:00Here he comes. Look at this man. Very powerful man coming up, ladies and gentlemen. Okay. Very powerful man, he says. Okay. So I just, I really want, like, I want the White House press court to just, I mean, like he said it, you know, don't pre-screen questions. Let's just start saying, hey, in the Epstein files, it said that you blew Bubba. Who is Bubba? Like, I would like to know that, you know? And then also there's always these rumors around that, you know, when you were dating Melania, you would gift her to friends because she had such a great ass and she was such a good lay. Is that rumor true?
5:36Did you pass Melania around your friend group? True or false? We don't care. We're just curious. I mean, time's ticking here, dementia duck. Let's get it all out. Or here's what I want to know. Is Stormy Daniels correct that you're a two pup chump that has a little nubbin as a penis. I think we all know that. That cat's out of the bag. Here's the thing. First of all, he always says, you know, I wouldn't do that. I'll do it because other presidents won't. You fucking lie. If your lips are moving, that signals to me that you're lying. So the reason, first of all, they're going to prescreen the questions, but let's take it on face value, even though he lies.
6:14He lies to every question or he attacks the reporter. So really it doesn't matter the substance of the question because it's the same old quiet piggy or you're a bad reporter or nobody reads the times. It's a tax on the media or he just straight up lies to their face. So when you have zero ability to know the difference between lying and the truth, of course, any question is fine. I'm sure he'd love for it to be about sex. Yeah. And I think to my larger point, as people get older, their filters. And you hear about people in nursing homes that start talking about, you know, their sex lives, or I preferred this child more.
6:51I had an affair on your dad and I never told him this stuff comes out. And that's where we are. I mean, Trump is 80. Like he's an 80 year old man. He puts on the makeup and he dyes his hair. And I think they probably jack him up with Adderall or something to get through the day. But the loose lips are going to start sinking ships. And this is just what happens to people at the end of their lives. And fortunately, and unfortunately for us, fortunately, because of the T, unfortunately, because he's a very powerful man that can cause even more death and destruction than he has. These loose lips are going to start sinking ships and he's going to start really, it's starting right now.
7:28I hang out with losers. Let's talk about sex. It's just all coming. We're like a new cycle or two away from this. Okay. Here he is on Air Force One. He's laser focused on his architecture and design projects. Play the clip. And that porch will be magnificent looking in between the columns. They no longer, we took the stairs out that were on the south side and really replaced them with these stairs. So you have an open porch and you have the closed porch under the columns overlooking the Washington Monument, the Jefferson Memorial. and the Lincoln Memorial slash monument. So that's great. Okay.
8:10So this is a guy I can't take anymore. He is going to put his signature on the money. Yep. He is, he's torn down a part of the White House. And we all know if a Democrat did anything remotely like that, the meltdown on the right would be, the hyperventilating and the hysteria would be worse than what it normally is, which it's always like a 12 out of 10. This guy, he doesn't care about human life. And Ruth Ben-Ghiat, she's the scholar that we've had on the show a few times. She told me once that dictators have disdain for their supporters. And it's so true that you see this affordability crisis.
8:53So many people said they went and voted on inflation, the price of X. We heard that over and over and over again. And he did this, you know, like show and tell presentation with him standing around groceries and talked about the price during the campaign. He doesn't give a fact. And I think this is pretty interesting too. You notice when he was campaigning, he always wore the same uniform. He wore the shirt, the suit, the oversized suit, poorly tailored, the white shirt and a red tie. And he always wore the red tie. And now it's like, I don't have to do this shit anymore. You'll see him in a pink tie.
9:25You'll see him in a yellow tie. And I know that's just a small thing. But like the mask is just totally off because what he said, I could, I could shoot somebody on fifth Avenue and my supporters would still like me. That is the one thing that has proven to be true out of all the things I've heard him say. That is the one true statement that has proven to be true considering that his presidency right now is an abject failure, a face plant. He's wrecked the U.S. economy. He's torn down every institution that we have. He's putting his name, his picture. Nobody wants to see that shit. Kim Jong-un style all over D.C.
10:06And his supporters still, depending on what poll, 89, 90 and or 100 percent still back him. You know, when I saw this clip and then he compares the ballroom to the Iranian war in some, You know, we're the first, we're the best, all that shit. And then I thought of these troops that are being sent over there and the people that love them. And it really made me sad because this is somebody that cares more about a ballroom, that cares more about making money in crypto than he does about these lives. We've seen that with little girls in Iran. But you just, if you love somebody that has been sent even to DC to clean up and is away from their family, you understand when you see that clip, he simply does not care.
10:58He does not put their lives and their family and their loved ones into a calculation of moving forward and making decisions. And it just really, I just immediately went to the people that loved all of these troops, the people that loved these little girls in Iran. And I just thought, isn't it so sad? Nobody in the United States government gives a flying fuck. No, they don't. And they use, they see, the through line is the oligarchs and now this ruling class see working class people as something that they can suck off of. And the true parasites in this country are the oligarchs and now everybody in the Trump regime.
11:43The parasitic nature of what we have set up in this country for people to suck off working class Americans is insane. And that working class Americans have to fund a genocide in Palestine. that working class Americans have to fund Elon Musk so that Tesla pays zero dollars in taxes. And the same goes for Amazon. I think Jeff Bezos pays like a 1 % federal tax rate. And so ask yourself, viewer, what's your tax rate? It's not 1%, is it? And if Jeff Bezos paid more in taxes, it would affect his life zero. And government is supposed to work for us. And they have dismantled it in such a way that we are so desperate for TSA lines to work that will accept any crumb.
12:38And it's just such a diabolical manipulation. And these people do not care about the working class except for to be parasitic off of them, their time, their lives, their money, etc. And while we're saying all of this, Forbes reported on Friday, Donald Trump is worth$6.4 billion more in just this short period of time than when he was sworn in for Trump 2.0. And I want everybody to realize that Donald Trump dying or being impeached or losing an election does not fix our problems, even remotely. J.D. Vance is fucking terrifying. This is a man who is young, who is the world's biggest prostitute. He will change his opinion, his name, his religion, whatever, based on how much money is in it for him.
13:36He will not stand up for his wife. He will not stand up for his children. He just a few years ago, which is not that long ago, said that Trump was America's Hitler. And right now he is playing actual chess. Yeah. J.D. Vance is fucking terrifying. He is distancing himself from the Iran war. Tucker Carlson, Marjorie Taylor Greene, and the right wing media are very cautious as they tiptoe. And they never blame Trump for anything. Never. But they say, who convinced Trump to go into war? And we have to be the anti-war party. And J.D. Vance is positioning himself as the anti-war candidate. They're throwing Marco Rubio.
14:21They're throwing Pete Hexeth. Trump has been blaming Pete Hexeth for the war. So we report a lot of fissures in the MAGA movement. And yes, there are some fissures with influencers. But these people are really incredible machinators. And they have been machinating what remains after Trump. And there is no planet whatsoever that it's not going to be worse than what this is. And J.D. Vance is the most terrifying motherfucker on the planet. He's positioning himself as the anti-war candidate. He is going to emerge from all of this. I told them not to go to war. I told them not to listen to BB. I told them XYZ.
15:06And Tucker, if Tucker doesn't run, he will anoint J.D. Vance because J.D. Vance has the support of all of the oligarchs. J.D. Vance will very easily be able to dovetail into the wishes of the Supreme Court, which their number one gift they keep giving. It's never been for Trump. It's always been for the oligarchs. Remember that. That's so important. So much of what we do, we focus on the personality of Trump. We're going to be able to remove Trump. And I think the cult will have a lot of fucking problems staying together. But something about Republicans, you guys, they all get on what they're supposed to get on.
15:44They are so terrified of Democrats and the propaganda that the Republican Party has used long before Trump, demon crats and libtards and all this shit. It doesn't take much for these people to vote to be haters. It just doesn't. And so here's JD Vance. They're trying to run some interference for him here because Joe Rogan said there were so many dorks in the MAGA movement, which, duh, I mean, Joe Rogan, thanks, Captain Obvious. And so they asked JD Vance about it, who he's like the biggest dork in the MAGA movement, JD Vance, play the clip. Those MAGA's full of dorks. What do you think? Do you consider yourself a dork?
16:26From Benny Johnson. MAGA's dorks. Uh, I would, I, I think we have many, many fewer dorks than the far left, but everybody's got some dorks. Okay. So yeah, Benny Johnson, who everybody knows is a DL demon queen and they're starting, do you see how he, the influence, they're running interference for JD Vance. And so we just have to be really offensive in our moves. We can't just focus solely on who is going to be the 2028 nominee. I don't fucking know. But I do know it's about two or three people on the right. And we need to browbeat and propagandize and point out the obvious and all of the shit about J.D.
17:12Vance. The couch fucking stuff was great. It got a lot of traction. JD Vance is the easiest motherfucker. Everybody loves to hate him. And we need to continue hating on JD Vance because he is setting himself up to be the heir apparent. And he is the most terrifying heir apparent, in my opinion, in the whole MAGA movement. Well, because he's smart and he has no, I mean, he will do whatever he's supposed to do. If Peter Till tells him, oh, you're religious now or whatever, whatever he has to do to gain the power. But I was reading an article last week and I've been dying to get your take on it. J.D.
17:52Vance is floating the idea. He doesn't know if he'll run in 2028 because he wants to see how the fourth baby changes his family dynamic. I'm like, shut the fuck up. You could give a flying fuck. You said your in-laws, you know, that grandparents should babysit kids. like please do not sell that bullshit but it's all that family values and i can already hear it well you know i'm sacrificing for my country even though i had this fourth child i agree with you he is scarier because he is willing to do anything change his name religion all the things for power all right that's all we have like subscribe comment we'll be back later
18:37Thank you.
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