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0:04Today, I'm here with Tara Palmieri, who has been a reporter that has been on the Epstein story for a decade at least. I want to ask her some questions regarding the victims. Tara, thank you for being on. How are you? I'm good. Thanks for having me. It's such a pleasure to be on your show. I'm a fan, so I'm happy to be here. I've digested everything you do over on Substack with the red letter. It's excellent. One thing in this, I didn't even have this on my topic because I wanted to talk to you about, but when this whole story first came out, I was of woman would do this to little girls. And then I found all the information on her father and how she was raised.

0:50And if you'll just hit the highlights, you know, two or three highlights of what his behavior was like. Yeah, he was a disgusting person. The power of the Maxwell while series is almost like a succession type series because he was a powerful media baron. I mean, he owned the New York Daily News. He owned the Mirror, which is a huge influential newspaper in the UK. He owned MTV Europe, Paragon Press, Macmillan. I mean, he was larger than life. His rival at the time was Rupert Murdoch and they fought for publication. So So think of her as the daughter of Rupert Murdoch, as Elizabeth Murdoch. I mean, that's how powerful her family was.

1:37And he died mysteriously off the side of a yacht. He was thought to be a spy for Mossad, which is the Israeli intelligence agency. But in the meantime, he was really quite vile. And the people that we interviewed for this podcast that worked for him described a man that treated people around him terribly, including his own daughter, Glenn Maxwell, frequently bringing her to tears, putting her down, telling her that she's not smart, but at the same time, praising her for her beauty and for her charm and for being like him. He was obviously a narcissist, but he would do things like urinate off the side of his launch pad, his helicopter launch pad.

2:21It was at the top of the building that he owned in the UK. And then he would use hand towels that were communal for his behind and then put them down. He would throw food at people. He was entirely disparaging, just really not a great guy. I mean, even Tina Brown wrote about the Len Maxwell talking about how he would beat her up. I often wondered if they had some sort of disturbing relationship that might be borderline sexual abuse. I don't have any hard facts to suggest that, but it just feels like there's something weird about it. I mean, at the same time, his former assistant told me that they would meow at each other on the phone.

3:12So they had this very good bond, and he would bring her to parties. and treat her as if he was, as if she was his wife and marvel at her beauty in kind of the same way that Trump does with Ivanka. And he named his yacht, the Lady Galen after her. This is the yacht he mysteriously died off of. So they had a lot of weird, weird issues, but when he died, because he was defrauding pensioners at the mirror and was in debt, But she was left with nothing. And so she went from being a princess, going to Oxford, being royalty almost, to having nothing. And that's where Jeffrey Epstein steps in. And I think sometimes her desperation for the high life to resume that level that she was at with her father drew her to Jeffrey Epstein because people I've interviewed, like Jeffrey Epstein's house man, Juan Alessi, said that Glenn used to cry in the car when she drove around.

4:10looking for young girls to procure and groom. And she would say she hates him because he would put her down and call her stupid, sort of like her father did, but she couldn't leave him. She felt she couldn't leave him. I mean, I think there was a... And then she had put it in a file, in a court file that Jeffrey Epstein promised to provide for her financially for the rest of her life. So what does that mean? I mean, it seems to me that he was her financial backer in exchange for procuring, molesting, grooming as many as a thousand victims. Yeah. And she participated in it. She didn't only procure them, but from what I've read, she participated in some of the abuse, correct?

4:59Yeah. I mean, Virginia Giuffre testified that the first time she arrived at Jeffrey Epstein's house, Glenn Maxwell found her, by the way, at Mar-a-Lago, where she was working at the spa at 16, brought her back to Jeffrey Epstein's house. And Glenn was the one that took off her panties and was involved in the sexual abuse in the house. Same thing with Annie Farmer, who said that Glenn Maxwell and Jeffrey were in the same room and it was Glenn that fondled her. And so, So she was involved in this just as much as Jeffrey. And I just think she used the fact that she was this beguiling posh British woman with this cute little dog that she called G-Max, little Yorkie, to bring girls in.

5:42And she used that to trap them. And I wrote this piece for Politico called The Women Who Enable Jeffrey Epstein. And it's a pyramid. And Glenn is at the top of it. But you don't walk into a 50-something-year-old man's house as a teenage girl without feeling a comfort. And that comfort came from the fact that there were so many adult women around Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn Maxwell was at the top of that. And she lured them in and she actually had a real talent for smelling desperation and being able to promise people that their dreams could be made true. And in the case of Virginia, Virginia was reading a book about how to become a masseuse.

6:22And she said, I've got a dream job for you. A wealthy man is going to pay you to travel around the world with him and learn how to be a masseuse and this is a girl who by the way was being sexually molested by her own father and living in poverty in a trailer so yeah well i read virginia's book and i was heartbroken by it because i guess as cynical as i am i wanted a happy ending for her and she didn't get it And there were so many girls in her position that I think we forget how traumatized they are for their entire lives. And it's my understanding that Virginia is not the only one of these survivors who has taken her own life.

7:08Hasn't there been more than one? Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. I mean, there are many of them and they've done it in different ways. For example, Courtney Wilde, who's Jane Doe, won in the case against Jeffrey Epstein. She is still alive, but nearly died. I mean, she got a settlement from Jeffrey, a civil settlement. I think I'm not entirely sure what it was, but it was enough for her to buy a house. And she ended up spending all the money on drugs and alcohol and ending up in a actual like supermax prison in Florida. Okay. While Jeffrey Epstein was in a county jail, like it's just crazy.

7:50And so she used the settlement because she felt like she was being paid again for her services like a prostitute. Even though she showed up at his house with braces as like a 14-year-old. And so many of these women are tormented by it. And then they use drugs. They use alcohol. They take their lives. And they don't feel better by the money. So this whole idea that it's some sort of money grab, I think a lot of them see that actually the money is not what they want. They want justice. They want to feel like their pain was worth something. And I was really impressed by Courtney because she fought the Crime Victims Rights Act case, which ended up being the propeller of really the journalism that Julie K.

8:38Brown did with Brad Edwards was Julie's was Courtney's lawyer. He put together this whole case claiming that the government through this sweetheart deal never actually told the victims about the sweetheart deal. And therefore it was invalid and reopened the case. And so like what she did was incredible. I mean, again, another person who has been through so much has shown so much fortitude and suffered and is still out there. I mean, I saw her on Capitol Hill and I was just like, wow, you know, you're here, you're doing it. Yeah, it's incredible. Let me ask you this. I've read so many things about how Glane would say to these survivors, I need you to do for him what you did to Jeffrey.

9:26so it was a procurement for other men it threw out the scheme how aware were these girls that that was part that that was coming or was it just like I mean I think I read that Virginia was like oh she's having a great time she's doing all this with Prisandra and then it's like you need to do for him what you do for Jeffrey so that was part of the scheme correct yeah I think I mean it was a trafficking operation and it wasn't just for Jeffrey Epstein. Some of the girls have, were only at Jeffrey Epstein's once and were abused and never came back. Some returned. It's really, I think a lot about grooming and trafficking their age, their family situation.

10:11Like some people are just, especially young girls that come from broken households. They're more likely to be abused and trafficked and be in the kind of situations where this would happen, particularly the girls that came over from Eastern Europe. There were a lot of them. His best friend had a modeling agency and he co-owned it. It was called MC Squared. It was with John Luke Brunel, who by the way, mysteriously died in prison by hanging himself. And they brought over a lot of young girls from Eastern Europe and took their passports away. They're in completely vulnerable situations working for Jeffrey Epstein as essentially sex slaves like he would refer to them as sex slaves and what were they supposed to do and so yeah that was part of it like they had to also service his friends and um it's it's vile i mean this is what happens not just to this is this happens all unfortunately sex trafficking is a real problem in this country and i think and all over the world but this is highlighting it because of the vastness of it and the level in which the clients are so high level, heads of financial institutions, academia, politics, that's what's brought it to the forefront.

11:30But sex trafficking is a real problem. It's just not, it's in the shadows, unfortunately. Right. And this case brought it, I remember my son said, Bill Clinton's on this plane all the time with this famous sex trafficker. and I was like, and he was like in high school at the time he's grown now. And I was like, if Bill Clinton were on a plane with a sex trafficker, it would be the front page news of every story. And it turned out he was right. Like it was in page six. It was in a gossip. I mean, five years later, this whole thing. And I'm just like, how have we ignored this for so long? One thing that I wrote about it, but I do think that that shows you how powerful the Clinton media machine is that they were able to quash this story for so long from the mainstream press.

12:17That is scary to me and shows you also how much Epstein owned the press and Bill Clinton and his family owned the press and why the story was allowed to remain quiet for so long. So that's my take on why your son read it because he was probably reading alternate press, but mainstream media wouldn't go near it. Right. As they still do now, but that's a whole different topic for another day. I've been fascinated by, and I've asked different attorneys, but were the girls aware they were being videotaped, having sex with these men while they were at Jeffrey Epstein's properties? You know, that's a really good question.

12:54I have heard from survivors that they saw cameras everywhere and assumed that they were being recorded. You can see them even in the photographs from the New York Times inside of Jeffrey Epstein's townhouse. There is a camera in every corner. You could claim their security cameras, but footage from security cameras compromise. But you don't usually put a security camera inside of a bedroom. Right. Why would you need a security camera in a bedroom? And then we heard Howard Lucknick say, well, he recorded everything and he bribed people with these videotapes. So my question, I guess, is as we've seen in other cases of powerful men that recorded sex they have been threatened i'm going to put this out publicly right tape did did he threaten those these young girls like that or were they kind of knew it was going on but not aware of what happened afterwards i don't think the girls understood the whole power dynamics and the power plays at hand some of them just like didn't really recognize these men.

13:57I mean, I don't think women could necessarily recognize, like a 14 year old or 15 year old would necessarily recognize a Marvin Minsk who was on the property, you know, who's an academic or like a, even someone like Bill Richardson that, you know, Virginia Giuffre was trafficked, says she was trafficked too. She led to that. Or, you know, Senator Mitchell or others that were around him. These are people that aren't household names. Think about when you were 14 or 15 years old. I'm about the same age as these girls. And I remember Britney Spears and everyone who's like, but not academics, not necessarily heads of Silicon Valley entrepreneurs.

14:44Elon Musk wasn't a huge thing. Peter Thiel, they were just around a lot of men and they were probably a lot of them like faceless white men, frankly, and did not remember all of them. So yeah. Okay. One more question. I mean, Prince Andrew comes up frequently because they know him. Right. He was obvious. He was one of the obvious. Okay. One more question. I know time's running short. As we approach this December 19th deadline for DOJ to release this stuff, number one, I am not confident that DOJ is going to properly release what it should release. What is the feeling of the survivors as we approach this date?

15:22Do they have trepidation? Because we've already seen Republicans release their private information. Or are they like, good, get it out? It's a mix. Okay. So there are obviously only a few dozen survivors that have come out and actually identified as Epstein survivors outside of Jane Doe. And that's fine. If you are a victim of sexual assault, there's a reason why we have Jane Doe laws to protect you from the shame, from all of it. So a lot of them don't want their names out there. Their families don't know, their children, their friends. They don't want the press to follow them around. Now, the DOJ has nine days to actually release these files.

16:09And according to a letter that they wrote to two judges two days ago in a court document, they said they're still compiling a master list. They're decentralizing this. They're still hearing from new victims who have not been represented or came forward before. They're still redacting. And they are also warning that there might be a mosaic in which they're identifying descriptors or features in the documents that might actually reveal victims, if not by name, just with details. So they are very far from actually protecting the victims of Jeffrey Epstein and revealing the list in full. And a lot of the victims' lawyers have already come forward saying, saying, listen, what you dumped, Congress revealed the names of some victims who did not want their names out there.

16:57And as we know, they were working around the clock in the spring, about a thousand agents over 24 hours to try to redact Trump's name. But what about the victims? What were you doing then? So Christy Greenberg, who's a former sex crimes prosecutor in the Southern District of New York, I just had her on my show, The Tara Palmieri Show. You can see it on YouTube or anywhere you get your podcasts. But she said there's no way that they should be able to release the full Epstein files by December 19th and protect the victims at the same time. So, well, and they're going to delay. I don't think they're trying to protect the victims.

17:32They're trying to protect the rich, powerful men, in my opinion. And I'm not saying you're co-signing that, but they've spent hours and hours and a thousand FBI agents to protect Donald Trump. I don't think they're interested in protecting the victims at this point. Call me cynical, but that's the history of their behavior. I think that you are making an assumption based on a decent, I think that it's a very decent assumption. So I'm not going to question that one. Well, Tara Palmieri, thank you so much. They can find you at tarapalmeri.com. It's where you can sign up for the red letter. It's how you can get my exclusive reporting.

18:12I'm an investigative reporter. goes straight to your inbox. I also cover politics. I used to be a political reporter. I still am for 15 years and maybe more now. Geez. And also I have got a show, the Tara Palmieri show, YouTube, Apple, Spotify, wherever you get your podcasts. And thank you so much for having me. I'm a fan of the show and it's such a pleasure to be on. And I'd love to have you on my show as well. Well, here's the deal. You have to come back because I still have front and back questions I want to ask you. Let's set it up. I'm ready. Okay, great. Thanks, Tara. Thank you.