In short
The episode is an “all skate” discussion mixing viral political clips, allegations of corruption in the kratom industry, and sports-as-morality commentary. Guests debate Michelle Obama’s remarks about Trump voters, arguing some Trump voters are racist while others aren’t, but “enabling racism” still makes them complicit. They cite a New York Times focus group where many regretted voting for Trump, including claims they expected Trump to abolish taxes. Seth shifts to Oklahoma politics: he claims DHS Secretary Mark Wayne Mullen pushed a federal kratom crackdown while holding up to $1M in a kratom-related company, and he identifies the company’s founder as Jerry Cash/J.W. Ross, a convicted fraudster who allegedly rebranded after prison for embezzlement. They discuss kratom as a synthetic opiate linked to deaths and detox. Another segment plays Wembanyama’s anti-fascism/anti-administration comments and frames his caution about backlash as evidence of chilling speech. Poms covers a “Katie Miller” profile, alleging she and Stephen Miller are both power-obsessed and hateful, with examples from her student-government behavior and a reported family-dinner outburst. Ryan adds Greenland diplomacy mockery and then a debate on whether Black athletes should boycott racist states/schools, arguing NIL money won’t protect against broader rights rollbacks.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOMichelle Obama's Podcast Clip Discussion
0:45 to 2:41
The hosts discuss a viral podcast clip featuring Michelle Obama and her views on voters.
“I do think some people for sure, um, voted for Donald Trump because they're racist, but I think a lot of people didn't.”
Racism and Voting Patterns
2:41 to 4:59
The hosts analyze the complexities of racism in voting behaviors.
“She's a lot better person than I am, Michelle Obama.”
The Short American Memory
4:59 to 6:57
A conversation about the electorate's short memory and its impact on voting decisions.
“So I think it's kind of exactly like Pump said, you know, if you're racist, you voted for Donald Trump, but not every person who voted for Donald Trump is racist.”
Insights on Racism and Complicity
6:57 to 7:36
Discussion on the nuances of racism among voters and the implications of complicity.
“The people that partake in it in a passive way, secretly, that is the most, those are the most insidious forms of bigotry.”
The Story of Jerry Cash
7:36 to 12:18
Seth shares a story about Jerry Cash, intertwining personal anecdotes and current events.
“And so my first, I've got two slides here.”
Kratom and Its Implications
12:18 to 14:02
The hosts discuss the drug Kratom, its effects, and the political connections involved.
“who openly talked about his bisexuality, which was something that Oklahoma men just were not that comfortable with doing.”
The Dangers of Kratom Addiction
14:02 to 15:29
Explore the alarming rise of kratom and its impact on addiction.
“Oh, the big one is gonna say like they're like, because I've taken it before.”
Wimby and the Oklahoma City Thunder
15:30 to 17:34
A discussion about basketball, player Wimby, and his impact on society.
“And now all of these supplements and shit, because addiction is something that just hits everybody.”
Human Rights and Public Figures
17:35 to 18:58
Reflections on the responsibility of public figures to speak out on moral issues.
“Like the murder of civilians is acceptable, you know?”
The Fear of Speaking Out
18:59 to 22:09
Discussing the chilling effect on athletes and the importance of free speech.
“I think there are so many celebrities and just people who feel so like burnt out from this administration.”
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Katie Miller and Stephen Miller's Marriage
22:10 to 26:08
An analysis of the troubling relationship between Katie and Stephen Miller.
“I took it as just more of a hit at the administration and like how eager they are to silence people.”
The Future of the Millers and NBA Rivalries
26:09 to 28:00
Speculation on the future of the Millers and lighthearted basketball rivalry talk.
“how did she from florida he's from california how did these hateful people find each other yeah they say love finds a way hate found a way in this in this regard for sure for sure Yeah.”
Basketball Banter and Rivalry
28:00 to 29:29
The hosts discuss their favorite basketball teams and the playful rivalry among fans.
“for the knicks and i'm sorry if that's an hr violation i'll take it up i'll take it up with so you're rooting for the knicks huh i am i mean you're not worried about job security at all at all.”
Wimby and Physical Specimen Talk
29:30 to 30:53
A humorous discussion about basketball player Victor Wembanyama's physical attributes.
“I mean, you have to admit, like, he is almost 80 feet tall.”
Trump's Greenland Diplomacy
30:54 to 33:00
A critique of Trump's past diplomatic efforts regarding Greenland and their implications.
“And he made a visit to Greenland the other day, and it didn't go very well for him.”
Louisiana Politics and Football
33:01 to 34:25
Discussion on Louisiana politics, the governor's focus on football, and state issues.
“The only thing I think of when I think of him is, I mean, Louisiana is poor.”
Racism and College Football
35:46 to 37:50
Discussion on the implications of racism in college football and athlete activism.
“I mean, Virginia people tried, but Texas, et cetera.”
Sacrifice for Equality
37:51 to 42:03
Exploration of the sacrifices needed for civil rights and equality in sports.
“What is the next step beyond what they're legally doing with the Supreme Court just did with the Voting Rights Act?”
The Impact of Racism in Sports and Politics
42:03 to 44:08
Explore the interconnected issues of black representation in sports and the implications of ongoing racism in politics.
“I had Van Latham on the podcast last weekend to speak about issues like this.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:04Angie Sullivan:Happy Memorial Day. It is an all skate with all of the I've had it, I hip news people on board today. Of course, I am Jennifer. She is pumps, pumps, raise your hand. There she goes. She is Kylie. And then we have Ryan. And then we have Seth. How is everybody happy Memorial Day? How it's going to go is I've asked each member of our team to pick up your name. a story they would like to share with the class and i want to call on kylie first okay first i've got this clip of michelle obama she went on this podcast and this clip went viral and i'm super interested to get your response on it okay yeah i can't look some people in the face and tell them you have no right to be angry or to do something that maybe is against your own interest that's what that's human nature many of the people who voted for my husband twice twice and i know that that's how they feel it's like this isn't this isn't about anything other than i'm just we need we need something different they voted for donald trump yeah you know it's a lot of people so you can't just pigeonhole them and say you just don't care and you're racist or whatever you're thinking this is an act of, I don't know what else to do.
1:28Angie Sullivan:Hmm. I do think some people for sure, um, voted for Donald Trump because they're racist, but I think a lot of people didn't. And I also think that black people, particularly somebody like Michelle Obama, who's in that position, are very cautious about how they speak about accusing somebody of being racist. And they are intimately aware of the backlash for doing that. And she's correct that some people that voted for Obama twice then voted for Trump. And in those those individual cases, I would say that perhaps those people aren't racist, but I definitely growing up in Oklahoma, I've heard a lot of racist shit said about Michelle Obama and Barack Obama.
2:26Angie Sullivan:And I think we still have a racist problem, but I don't want to be in the business of, Michelle Obama is incredible. We're lucky that she's publicly speaking now in podcasts. us. She's an inspiration for women and particularly black women who always get pushed to the bottom of the totem pole. But it's interesting. She's very educated. She's a lot smarter than I am. She's a lot more mature than I am. She's a lot better person than I am, Michelle Obama. Yeah, I completely agree. I don't think that only racists voted for Trump, but I think if you're a racist, the only candidate you voted for was Trump.
3:11I mean, I don't think they're all racist, but I don't think there were very many racists that came out for Harrison Walls or Biden. I just don't.
3:22Angie Sullivan:Yeah, I think that's probably right. And I think that it's our job to call them out because I think black people get an additional layer of racism piled onto them when they call it out, which is unfair. Seth, you sound like you were going to say something. What do you think about, do you think there was a large swath of the electorate that I feel like as Americans, we've kind of gone into this cycle where everything goes by so quickly. Do you think that there were voters out there that like have such short term American memory that they forgot how shitty he was in his first term and they just voted for him?
4:08Totally.
4:10Angie Sullivan:We are we have no attention span. We're really I mean, culturally, very instant gratification, impulsive. were a lot of bad things. And Trump is a representation of all of our worst character defects into one person. You can't underestimate how dumb some of these people are that are voting. I mean, I remember I was reading a focus group that we talked about on one of the I Have News episodes of people that voted for Trump and now regret it. One of these people said that the reason that they voted for him was because they thought that he was going to completely abolish all taxes. So they would never, they would not pay taxes at all anymore.
4:57So I think that he's not, that's true. So I think it's kind of exactly like Pump said, you know, if you're racist, you voted for Donald Trump, but not every person who voted for Donald Trump is racist. That being said, they are enabling a racist.
5:14Angie Sullivan:So they're okay with racism. That is still a problem. Right, right. It's not a, I do think, I remember that focus group. It was a New York Times focus group. And you and I talked about it a lot, Ryan. And the one thing that was so stunning to me about it is this was said multiple times. I think there were 12 people in the focus group total. And like eight out of the 12 had said, I thought he learned his lesson. I remember sitting there thinking, are we so fucking dumb that we think that we are going to elect people for president as a second chance offering. Like that's what you say to your kid.
5:50Angie Sullivan:Like, look, last time you took my car out, you wrecked it. And I just got a brand new car. And, you know, let's say the kid wrecks it four or five times, they bring it back. Well, I thought you had learned your lesson. You know, it's just like, it's, it's insane that the bar is so low for representation. The erosion that he and other politicians have done. Kylie, what do you think about Michelle Obama? I agree. I think everyone here hit a good point. And a lot of people online agree with this. I saw a lot of people that just immediately clapped back with, we're talking about the party that made the monkey meme, the AI monkey, all of this racist shit.
6:27But coming from where we live, I know with a lot of frustration, I think there's some truth to what she said. But I also think that if you are okay with racism, or it's not a deal breaker, you are a racist.
6:39Angie Sullivan:I just think I agree. I think they're the same thing. I completely agree with that. At that point, I disagree with Michelle. I think they're almost worse. I think I would rather be around somebody who just owns who they are than somebody who covers for somebody who is homophobic or racist. The people that partake in it in a passive way, secretly, that is the most, those are the most insidious forms of bigotry. Those are the forms of bigotry that have the most air. The secret bigotry that people cover up to me is the absolute most insidious. Okay, let's see who is next. Let's go to Seth. Seth, what is your story?
7:20Okay, so as we're all woefully aware, Senator Boosterbox, Mark Wayne Mullen is no longer just an Oklahoma problem. He's now a national, maybe even international problem that everybody has to deal with. And so my first, I've got two slides here. The first one, this was a Kansas City Star opinion piece that they posted about a month ago. And in it, he says how Kratom giant got what it wanted from RFK and new Homeland Security chief opinion. and you'll look at this photo here and it says secretary kennedy with his friend and botanic tonics founder j.w ross i want you to remember the name j.w ross and i'm going to read you just a short little excerpt from this from this opinion piece a funny thing happened down in oklahoma in december after two years of inaction caused by a federal court backlog the justice department finally won a key ruling in its case against the makers of Feel Free, a controversial and widely popular gas station drug that claims to bend the proprietary mix of Kratom and Kava.
8:40The decision put the government in position to present evidence, test its claims, and potentially shut down a company whose product has faced widespread allegations of harm. But 12 days later, the DOJ walked away from its own case. Why? The answer likely has something to do with the overlapping relationship between United States Secretary of Health and Human Services Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Mark Wayne Mullen, the former U.S. Senator from Oklahoma, who recently appointed Homeland Security Secretary, and a convicted fraudster named Jerry Cash. And you might say, who's Jerry Cash?
9:20Angie Sullivan:Well, I know exactly who Jerry Cash is. I know Jerry Cash. Jerry Cash is J.W. Ross. He changed his name after leaving prison for embezzlement. Okay. So this is how small Oklahoma City is, you guys. None of us knew whose stories were here at this time. But Jerry Cash lived in Oklahoma City. His name was Jerry Cash and he was an oil and gas guy, big swinging dick oil and gas guy. And years ago, before I met Josh and had my children, I went to a bar with my gay roommate at the time. His name was Ryan. And I was waiting for Ryan to get off work. Ryan gets off work. We sat down at the bar. Ryan is this gorgeous, I mean, drop dead gorgeous, looks like a Calvin inclined model gay man.
10:14Angie Sullivan:And Jerry, this man comes in and sits down next to us at the bar. And he kind of talks to me. And then he turns and talks to Ryan. And he talks to me. And then he talks to Ryan. I go, what's your deal? Are you into me or him? And he goes, I like boys. I like girls. And I like boys and girls. I'm Jerry Cash. I'd like to buy you both a drink. I'll never forget it as long as I live I was probably 22 years old and I remember Ryan and I were like who is this weirdo and he's basically because for a man in Oklahoma that presents the way Jerry cash presented which was kind of oil guy cowboy to admit that he's into screwing men was very not normal in the Bible belt.
11:03Angie Sullivan:So fast forward and Jerry Cash marries a woman and they're building this huge house, remodeling this huge house in Nichols Hills. And then Jerry Cash goes to prison for some sort of shit to do with, I'm sure - Inbezzling from Quest, his former company. Yes, that's what it was. Inbezzling. So he goes off to federal prison and then he gets out of federal prison and he rebrands to jw ross and goes out to california changes his name uh wife stays with him the whole time and then she changes her name too and then of course now he's traded her in for a younger model and he's into this kratom shit which this guy's just a total it's perfect that he's friends with rfk jr he's it's perfect that he's in the whole trump regime because he likes boys he likes girls and he likes boys and girls i about died when you put that up seth because i knew immediately that jw ross was jerry cash and i will never as long as i live ever forget the time that uh my friend and i were sitting at the bar and got hit on by the same man who openly talked about his bisexuality, which was something that Oklahoma men just were not that comfortable with doing.
12:31Angie Sullivan:And then there was, you know, I mean, he's just a complete train wreck, but it makes perfect sense that he's selling Kratom all over the place. Yeah, he actually started a company in Broken Bow, Oklahoma. And then this actually brings up my next slide on Mark Wayne Mullen. So this was put up by Punch Up on their sub stack earlier. this month, DHS secretary under fire over large, quote, gas station heroin investment. And it says that Mark Wayne Mullen pushed a federal kratom crackdown while holding stake of up to 1 million in a company that sells it. And I'm willing to bet that that company may be in Broken Bow, Oklahoma and may involve our buddy, Jerry.
13:15Angie Sullivan:I'm kind of willing to bet that Mark Wayne Mullen with a few belts in him would be the type of guy that would say I like boys, I like girls, and I like boys and girls. You know, there's a real fine line. Kylie and I talk about this all the time. There's a real fine line between like rural people and lesbians or rural people and, and these, you know, bisexual men that like to, like to switch hit. And so that's why there's just, you know, all, that's why the number one goal in places of the Bible, but it's to suppress sexuality, you know, because they're all, you they're all wanting to everybody boys girls you know maybe that's what the kratom's for they're self-medicating i will never really dumb question yeah what what is kratom it is synthetic opiate okay that people take and it simulates um heroin or painkillers got it it's it's horrible.
14:16Angie Sullivan:There's been deaths. The big one is called seven. Oh, the big one is gonna say like they're like, because I've taken it before. And it's unbelievable. Like, how many people in a circles have like had to detox from kratom have died of kratom overdoses like it's the next big frontier in addiction because it's so readily available. Well, and they push it to help addicts, right? Yeah. That's how they frame it. It's marketed specifically for that kind of thing. And Jerry Cash in Oklahoma City, after he went through the big swinging dick out at bars, he was sober. He was a sober person. Then he went off to prison.
15:03Angie Sullivan:and then now he's got this reach around pun intended wonder how total pun intended that yeah he got out of federal prison he has a reach around to his sobriety and his financial problems with this kratom but a lot of people market shit to addicts and it's to me the outrage that everybody had for the sackler family you need to have for these pushers of kratom and the pharmaceutical industry at large. And now all of these supplements and shit, because addiction is something that just hits everybody. I mean, it affects conservatives, MAGA, gays, straights. I like boys. I like girls. It affects all of them.
15:44Angie Sullivan:I like both. I like both. And Trump is the perfect guy for all of these shysters that like love just stealing money off of hurting people. He's the perfect guy to have an office to just, Oh, let's kick this regulation investigation under the rug so Mark Wayne can keep his million dollar investment in gas station heroin. It all clocks. Okay, I'm going to go next. Now I would like to play a video. So all of us on this stream right now, we're all Oklahoma City Thunder fans. Ryan was kind of, he said, no, he is. He's a basketball player. I am. And we told him in order to work for us that he needed to be a Thunder fan.
16:33Angie Sullivan:So he met us at the Thunder bar and I was able to pull that off because the head of my HR is my personal assistant, Anna, who happens to be Kylie's girlfriend. So I told Anna, if you get an HR complaint, because I told the new hire, Ryan, that he had to be a Thunder fan, rip it up and throw it in the trash. And so we've just moved on. So I digress. Everybody is a Thunder fan on this stream. And I love the Oklahoma City Thunder, but I, and we're playing right now currently, the San Antonio Spurs. And I have to say, I have to give credit where credit is due. Wimby is not only a sensation on the court, he is the real deal as a human being.
17:13Angie Sullivan:He was asked about ice and he used his platform and he said this, play the clip. PR has tried, but I'm not going to sit here and give some politically correct, you know. I know, I mean, every day I wake up and see the news and I'm horrified. I think that it's crazy that some people might make it seem like, or make it sound like it's acceptable. Like the murder of civilians is acceptable, you know? Every day, I mean, I read the news and sometimes I'm asking very deep questions about my own life. But, you know, I'm conscious also that saying everything that's on my mind would have a cost that's too great for me right now.
18:04So I'd rather not get into too many details.
18:07Angie Sullivan:Okay. So I just think that people of conscience need to speak out about this. It is not political. speaking out for innocent people and speaking out for human rights and speaking out against fascism is not political it is moral and i don't even consider our podcast to be political anymore i consider it to be one of morals because right now you see two distinct camps people that suck up to fascists people who are too cowardice to speak out to fascists and then you see the fighters and the people who remain silent are every bit as bad to me as the people who, like Stephen Miller, who openly brazenly bask in their support of fascism and their support of bigotry.
18:56Angie Sullivan:And then you have the fighters and all of us here, this is a starting five of fighters. I'm Wemby or SGA. You can be Shay. I'll be Chet. Okay. I'm Nick Collison. that's okay i like it i don't want to sign hard and stein you're a good girl see he is i am a basketball fan so what are your what are your what's your opinion on wimby you guys hell yeah i mean he he is watching first of all watching him play basketball is just unbelievable Like just such an unbelievable talent and to have a platform like that and to know that you're going to get so much pushback, especially, you know, being a foreigner playing in the US.
19:50I think there are so many celebrities and just people who feel so like burnt out from this administration. And I think maybe that's a small part in why there aren't as many people speaking out, as there were during Trump's first term. But it's so important because the stuff that he's doing right now is some of the worst stuff he's ever done. And we need more people speaking out about it. Let me ask a question because I took part of what he said as him being kind of honest that maybe he would get in trouble with the NBA if he spoke out. Or the other camp would be he would just get a lot of blowback from fans.
20:34What did you think? When I heard that, okay, first of all, San Antonio, San Antonio, former head coach, Greg Popovich is extremely politically active and very progressive. So for him to say that about, I don't want to get in trouble, I kind of felt like it was more NBA fan. I think that with the shut up and dribble crowd, I think that that whole movement has had a chilling effect on these players. But again, the NBA empowers their players to speak out way more than like the NFL. But I just thought, you know, here's the deal. It's anyone's First Amendment right to say how they feel. Yes, you have to expect the consequences.
21:23But it's stunning to me that he has to think like I, you know, I'm currently live in the United States. And if I say something against this administration, it will have blowback. I might have to have my visa pulled or whatever the ramifications that he's thinking of. And I just think that it's a sad, sad day. This Trump administration for freedom of speech, assembly, all the freedoms that we are so used to and take for granted, I think that they have really been like trampled on in this administration.
22:00Angie Sullivan:I think the fact that he is foreign and he chose to do it shows you how cowardice a lot of Americans are. And so I'm team Wimby. Go ahead, Seth. Yeah. I took it as just more of a hit at the administration and like how eager they are to silence people. Because like imagine the just the perspective of being a world famous immigrant or a world famous foreigner living in the United States and being beloved and then seeing people that are just like you from other countries living in America, being ripped from their homes, having their children ripped from them, being shot in the street and having to come to terms with the fact like, oh, the real difference between me and them is.
22:49I'm accepted because I have money and a skill that people will put aside. They'll put aside my blackness and my being foreign because I'm good at basketball. But if I were Joe Blow making 40 grand a year, I'm fair game to get killed in the street. Yeah, I agree.
23:10Angie Sullivan:All right, Poms, what's your story? Okay, mine is so delicious. I have gone down the Katie Miller rabbit hole. I'm embarrassed to admit it, but I have. So I found this article regarding Katie and Stephen's marriage. Put this up because I thought the title was fabulous. Super bad true love story. And it says two Trump favorites, both alike in ignominy, Stephen Miller and Katie Waldman found love in a hateful place. Okay. This is a great article. It's long. So let me just summarize it for you a little bit. These are two people that are absolutely deplorable. So Katie Miller, in this shot, this is when she got to the University of Florida.
23:59She was described as the only thing she loves or values in this world is power. Anyone she attaches to in her life is simply a pawn to feed her addiction to it. She went around, there was an election for student government at the University of Florida. she went around and took all of the flyers so people could read and be reminded of the candidates and the issues at stake for student government when she got called out about it she was completely indignant go fuck yourself here is encapsulating katie miller from high school the reporter said if i could find one person that would say they were their friend were her friend i should get a Pulitzer Prize.
24:45That's a lot. And then she, there was at her school, which both she and Stephen Miller are from the very affluent Jewish families. She goes to the school. She has a teacher in high school that is teaching black history. And Katie Miller says, why do we have to learn history? Why can't we just tell them what happened? Got in an argument with her black teacher and quit going to class. She is like, I kind of thought like, how does somebody get married to Stephen Miller? She not only is she as bad, she might be worse. And that is a low bar. Like I think Stephen Miller is the worst of the worst in this administration.
25:30And here's one thing I just thought you guys would love. I have to bring it up. So prior to meeting Katie Walden, who is now Katie Miller. They've only been married since 2020. This is their fourth kid. She, or he was at a family dinner and someone asked before he met her, how's your love life? He went fucking ballistic and was like, nobody can talk about that. That is off limits. I'm like, of course, because she's the only person on the planet that would actually go out with him because she's every bit as bad as he is so those were just my little takeaways that i thought were super interesting about her that'll really make you believe in soulmates doesn't it it will like how did she from florida he's from california how did these hateful people find each other yeah they say love finds a way hate found a way in this in this regard for sure for sure Yeah.
26:29Angie Sullivan:I mean, these two people, it just cracks me up how she is like, she's into her podcast. Americans are short-sighted. MAGA Americans are even shorter-sighted and they're breeding, they're having all these babies. And I mean, Stephen Miller will be one of the very first when accountability comes. That motherfucker with that face and that little body will be one of the very first thrown under the bus. And Trump and others will do it enthusiastically because he just looks like a villain. There is a body of evidence supporting what a villain he is, what a racist he is, how he wants to be a student of Joseph Goebbels, et cetera.
27:07Angie Sullivan:And they just, you know, it's high times. Let's all breathe. Let's all get pregnant at the same time. And this is, we'll circle back in three years. We'll do a little check-in on the Millers. And I can tell you it's not going to be high times, champagne and cocaine any longer for those two. So when you were reading that, it made me think of this Stephen Miller, he ran for student government in high school. And there's this video of him saying, and I looked at the quote, his pitch to these students is, am I the only one who is sick and tired of being told to pick up our trash when we have plenty of janitors who are paid to do it for us?
27:44That was in the article.
27:45Angie Sullivan:how gross disgusting it's disgusting yeah okay and last but not least ryan um i will just say that if it is the thunder and the knicks in the nba finals i will be rooting for the knicks and i'm sorry if that's an hr violation i'll take it up i'll take it up with so you're rooting for the knicks huh i am i mean you're not worried about job security at all at all. I just want to our listeners, as of the end of the finals, especially if the Knicks win in the Thunderdome, I'll be salty AF and I'll be hiring a new producer. We will be a distant memory. Let's hope it doesn't come to that. Here's the thing.
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28:33Angie Sullivan:I love, I love basketball and I think it's fun to have, to smack talk among friends, you know, cheer for this team cheer for that team at the end of the day all of these guys that play for all of these cities that we care so much about they can be traded and be in a new city like that so i think some of these people take it way too seriously but i do love the thunder and if the thunder get past wimby who is like a freak genetically and is a total physical specimen if they get and badass you know as far as human rights if they get behind if they get past him it will be a clean fucking sweep the new york nicks it's going to be salty and i plan to go to these games and i'm going to be decked out in okc merch from head to toe and i want the fuck yous i want them to just verbally abuse me because that will feel good i want to be a masochist i want to be at madison square gardens and face verbal abuse because i will like it i will you will face it yeah i i will enjoy it wouldn't you pups yeah and you know what's so funny is you hear about that all the time but we went to a game there when the thunder played the knicks and the knicks fans were so nice to us yeah they were so nice interesting yeah you gotta have a shit stir with you i'm not going to because i am a grown-up i think i know what you're gonna ask it's kind of I mean, I think about it a lot when I see him.
30:05Angie Sullivan:What question? Wimby. Oh, you're thinking about his penis? Yes. I knew she was. I knew she was. We have got to get pumps laid. It's just unbelievable. I mean, you have to admit, like, he is almost 80 feet tall. He cannot have a four-inch slim. It's just not, it's not proportional. Of course, it's probably donkey slash horse teetering scale-wise. Of course it's large. Plus people who call out ICE don't have tiny dicks. There you go. That's for sure. That's a great fucking great point, Seth. Okay, Ryan, what was your, besides being a salty, future salty Knicks fan, what's your story? So Trump hasn't forgotten about wanting to take over Greenland.
30:53So he's found Jeff Landry, who's the former governor of Louisiana, and he's made him his special envoy. And he made a visit to Greenland the other day, and it didn't go very well for him. Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you something. When's the last time that any high-level diplomats came to Greenland, whether it's from Europe or not, before Donald Trump? That's just more about Europe than about Greenland. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's not, no.
31:24Angie Sullivan:That's a question that Greenlanders should ask themselves. Who cares more about Greenlanders than the Trump administration and the president? Because seemingly before the president, no one cared. So that's one of many videos. There's another video of he asks a kid, he says, oh, do you want to take a picture with me? And the kid says, no. It's just such an embarrassment. I've never heard of this guy. He's not a high level diplomat. That's what I was going to say. He is a brown nosing rube, a total rube from Moses Mike Grinder Johnson's home state of Louisiana. He's a dipshit extraordinaire. And all he is doing is putting on display in Greenland.
32:16Angie Sullivan:Americans are stupid and confident at the same time. They are confident in their stupidity. He just got a master class. I am the dumbest motherfucker in Greenland right now, but motherfuckers, I'm confident. And this is what people think of Americans, confident in their stupidity, oblivious to the fact that they're stupid. And this is just, again, we'll do a little circle back with this guy when we check back in with Steven and Katie Miller. And I guarantee you, this guy will be in the fetal position, snot slinging on some, you you know, witness Stana.
33:01Yeah, he's bad. The only thing I think of when I think of him is, I mean, Louisiana is poor. They don't have health care. Like, the poverty rate is huge. And this motherfucker went in and got involved in the LSU football coaching search. This time? Yes. and was like pouring like all this money into it. And the whole time I'm just like, you don't have enough money for education, for healthcare, for food, for housing, but you want to put focus all your time and state resources into the LSU football team. And here's the thing. I mean, I don't know if he's out for reelection, but Mike Johnson keeps getting reelected.
33:49Like some people cannot help themselves.
33:51Angie Sullivan:No, the Bible Belt states, as we know, I mean, I realized after multiple, multiple, multiple, multiple things that I did in Oklahoma to try to get enact change. They, the Bible Belt people do not want this. They are perfectly fine being bottom 10 states. They are perfectly fine fighting for billionaires while they go broke. They are completely fine with it. And you have to come to that reality because I kept thinking, no, if they only knew. They know. They know and they don't care. Listener, I know a lot of you are parents or pet parents, or you just don't like having a lot of unknown chemicals that could be lurking on the surfaces of your home.
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36:05Angie Sullivan:And a lot of people like NAACP, I believe, and others are suggesting that in these Bible Belt states where college football is right there with Jesus, it's like Jesus, then in our state, Oklahoma Sooners, that these black athletes should say they will not play football in Alabama, in Florida, in, you know, Virginia. I mean, Virginia people tried, but Texas, et cetera. And I support it. I don't want black people to, black athletes to alienate themselves from future career, all of that. But I think it's going to take something that massive because every racist I know in Oklahoma is a diehard Oklahoma Sooner football fan.
36:54Angie Sullivan:Their whole identity is wrapped up into cheering on black athletes. Yeah. Okay. So when Oklahoma passed the total abortion ban, Oklahoma softball, University of Oklahoma softball is huge. And I thought to myself, I wish that women that were being recruited would say, I will not come to Oklahoma because women do not have rights. That didn't happen. And then in terms of these athletes going to HBCUs, which would be ideal, here's the fundamental issue. The black athlete is then paying for the racism in the NIL era because they make more money going to Alabama, Clemson, Texas, LSU than they do at an HBCU because they have, I mean, people are willing, donors are willing to spend millions and millions and millions of dollars.
37:49Angie Sullivan:I think that's the point of the NAACP's proposal is that civil rights take sacrifice. And that we are, what is the next step? What is the next step beyond what they're legally doing with the Supreme Court just did with the Voting Rights Act? And it takes immense sacrifice to fight for equality. And we all still look at this through the lens of, well, you know, football still needs to be supported and the financial is. This is an existential issue for black Americans. Yeah. And if we keep seeding and not fighting and not helping them, you know, I don't if they go to HBCUs, I think that it could it could change because until you hit the white man's pocketbook and black athletes could definitely hit their pocketbook, they will just keep exploiting people.
38:51Angie Sullivan:And so I think it's going to take some sort of sacrifice. So my question larger than that is, you know, Pumps, you know a lot of racist Oklahoma Sooners football fans. If the black athletes ceased going there and stated because the state of Oklahoma was inherently majority racist, how would that impact the people that you know personally that are racist in Oklahoma, that are diehard Oklahoma Sooners football fans? would they would that exacerbate their racism or would that make them think about it? It would make them think about it. There's no question. I mean, that's the immediate like we're only going to go to a blue state.
39:33You know, we only want to go to USC or a California school. Then that would change the tune. I think it would bring change for the law. I mean, I really do. I think it would make a monumental impact almost immediately. I just wish there would be a way to punish the fan versus punish the athlete.
39:55Angie Sullivan:I don't think it's, I don't, we don't know that those athletes would be punished, but I do think you punish these public schools. Oh, absolutely. The University of Oklahoma, look at the way they treated that trans teacher's aide. and you punish the systems around it to enact change. And I think it's something that, I think major things like that are going to have to happen because it's kind of like that one viral video that I had a while back, like living around a bunch of racists. These people do not ever just live in white culture. They're always dabbling, testing out multiculturalism, Mexican restaurant, Oklahoma City Thunder Game, Oklahoma Sooners football game and they just take and take minority multicultural multicultural excellence for granted and I think that this is I think that's how existential the anti-black racism is in this world I think that I did too we are not listening to what the Supreme Court did with the voting voting's right act and we're not putting everything on the table right now and we're not understanding how fucking serious this is for black people, we are letting our color and our privilege show.
41:13I agree, but I still think it's an awful lot to ask of a player that's going to get a$5 million contract. Like I'm going to cut you a check for 5 million to say no. I mean,
41:25Angie Sullivan:at 18 years old, I think that's too, I think that's right. This is where you work together with other schools and other states to enact change. This is where we're still looking at, like, well, this is the only opportunity the student has, where if the student did go to USC or the student did go to UCLA, where football programs may not be as big, and donors who care about stamping out anti-Black racism, that's where it's all hands on deck, where you meet some compromise, where you say, look, these kids are going to end up in Alabama, where they have completely, or Tennessee, where they have completely gerrymandered the fuck, where they have zero black representation, where that Josh Heupel, who used to be in Oklahoma Sooners, the head coach of Tennessee, start fucking with their football program and have some liberal donors in other states pick up the slack.
42:16Angie Sullivan:That's what it's going to take. I had Van Latham on the podcast last weekend to speak about issues like this. And this is a serious thing. And I think the black community is seriously going to go full tilt on this. And I, as will be the biggest, most staunch ally in the support, because I believe the anti-black racism and the gutting of the Voting Rights Act is existential. No, I agree. And if they could go and not have to be, like, give up their opportunity, I would be all for it. And I would move it to like softball programs, women's sports programs. Do not go to states where women do not have rights.
42:57Do not go and play sports for states that will not allow you to vote. Like I would say all of it, I would be all in on all of it. If the athletes could come out still earning their position and the NIL money.
43:15Angie Sullivan:Here's the problem too, what people don't realize with this, what a short-sighted argument it is with NIL money. Right now they'll use that. But if they're taking away your representation, next they're going to take away your right to vote. Next they're going to take away your money. So it is a slippery slope to play patty cake with racists and think that they are going to protect you or think that their systems are going to protect you when they just are taking victory laps right now about dismantling the Voting Rights Act. So I believe, I see your short-sighted point, But when it comes to black Americans, we have to be holistic and think about this as a whole point because they are not going to stop at the Voting Rights Act.
43:58Angie Sullivan:They will not stop at just that. They didn't stop at women. Gay marriage is on the table. All of it is on the table. All right. Happy Memorial Day to everybody. Enjoy your Monday. Those were our, that is our all skate. And we will be back tomorrow with breaking news. If something major happens today, sorry, we're all taking the day off.
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