In short
The episode argues that J.D. Vance is a “secret rival” to Donald Trump and could benefit if Trump’s response to the Epstein scandal remains botched. The hosts claim Vance is backed by billionaire oligarchs—especially Peter Thiel, Elon Musk, and David Sacks—who want a “puppet” and believe “poor people are not smart enough to govern.” Key claims include that Vance is an “ideological contortionist,” previously “Never Trump,” and has shifted for power, including allegedly turning on his wife and kids. Notable examples cited: Vance’s relationship with Thiel, Musk’s earlier public comments, and Vance’s calls to “release the Epstein files” despite defending Trump as a “witch hunt.”
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOJ.D. Vance: Rising Rival
0:05 to 0:41
Discussion on how J.D. Vance is perceived as a significant rival to Trump and his motivations.
“And we see this new article that says Trump needs to watch his back.”
The Nature of Political Allegiance
0:41 to 1:31
Analyzing the shifting allegiances of politicians like Vance within the MAGA movement.
“He's turned on his wife and kids so that he can get more power.”
Vance's Image and Public Perception
1:31 to 2:56
Discussion of Vance's personal branding and appearance as part of his political strategy.
“And then like any good beta male does, he immediately changes to follow the, what he perceives to be the alpha.”
Billionaire Backers and Political Power
2:56 to 4:50
Exploring the influence of tech billionaires like Peter Thiel and Elon Musk on Vance's career.
“Vance and say, I think it's interesting that he wears a lot of eyeliner, varying depending on if he's in daylight or if he's in studio.”
Vance's Strategy Against Trump
4:50 to 7:11
Examining Vance's dual strategy of supporting and undermining Trump for political gain.
“the largest megaphone into the cultists.”
The Duplicity of Politicians
7:11 to 11:28
Discussion on the moral compromises politicians make to gain power, focusing on Vance's evolution.
“The problem and the miscalculation that these men have had is that they think that J.D.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:04The paranoia surrounding the White House because of the soon to be coup by J.D.Vance continues to just bubble up. And we see this new article that says Trump needs to watch his back. Trump warned of surprising rival gunning for his job. Then you go into the article and you find out Vice President J.D. Vance stands to benefit tremendously from President Donald Trump botched response to the Epstein scandal. And he might have cause for concern. We all know that J.D. Vance is J.D. Vance first. Full stop. He switches. He has no conviction. He's turned on his wife and kids so that he can get more power.
0:47So the fact that now he is Trump's chief rival, I know you've been predicting this since jump. Yeah, even a long, long time ago, I would tell Pumps that J.D. Vance is put in a position by the people, the real deep state. They really have one. They really have actors that they want to run the country and then put up these puppets. But what this tells me is that we're not doing a good enough job browbeating J.D. Vance, that this is even a possibility. Because here's the point that I want to make, okay? Donald Trump has always been a prick. He's always been a liar. He's always been a cheater. He's always been a malignant narcissist.
1:27He's always been a blowhard. That's been unchanged. changed. What is really, really fascinating to me are all of these men like J.D. Vance, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Josh Hawley, on and on and on and on, that they at one point, there's video after video after video of them seeing Trump, seeing the moral rot, seeing the moral depravity and calling it out, calling out that he's, quote, America's Hitler. And then like any good beta male does, he immediately changes to follow the, what he perceives to be the alpha. So you have in the MAGA movement, you have a fake alpha at the top, Trump, who projects being an alpha because he's a malignant narcissist.
2:13And right underneath that is, you know, profound insecurity. That's why he reacts so much to criticism. But what's so telling is all of these men like J.D. Vance are just such textbook betas that they have completely changed. But I also want to point out the following. Number one, J.D. Vance and the eyeliner, you guys. OK, we have to talk about this ad nauseum because this is the party that goes on and on. Like their number one thing when they get in any debate with a Democrat is what's a woman. Right. You know, like they're you know, like that, like that, that's some big hang up in the Democrat.
2:47party. It's like the Sydney Sweeney thing. They have to make up and manufacture all this stuff. So I think we need to dumb down our communication surrounding J.D. Vance and say, I think it's interesting that he wears a lot of eyeliner, varying depending on if he's in daylight or if he's in studio. I mean, sometimes we're really getting close to a smoky eye. His relationship with Peter Thiel is odd. When he came back from Silicon Valley, he looked pretty yassified. He looked like he got queer eyed. The video of him running at Disneyland, like flailing as he ran to go get his kids. Like, is this, this is the guy that's going to dismantle Donald Trump that has a cult following that shocks the shit out of me, but I've seen it.
3:36I mean, we live in a red state. He has a cult following. This beta is going to dismantle Trump. So are we doing good enough job beating up on smokey eye sociopath? No, I don't think we are. And I think what you said is so important. He went and got yassified and queer eyed with Peter Thiel. Well, it turns out, according to this article, the people that back JD Vance and why he is the vice president right now is because of the billionaire oligarchy. And we all know, let's put this up, Kylie, Vance is an ideological contortionist backed by dodgy tech billionaires like Peter Thiel, who now has all of our private information, Elon Musk and David Sachs, whose money helped elevate him.
4:18Vance is watching Trump digging his Epstein hole deeper and deeper and thanking his lucky stars for the president's incompetence and history of floutish behavior. Here's the thing. We all know how Elon Musk and Peter Thiel feel because they've said it on record. Poor people are not smart enough to govern. Therefore, the billionaires should govern for everybody. It's sheer autocracy. Pumps, pumps, pumps. Think about this. As soon as Donald Trump broke up with Elon Musk, almost according to script, then he was the whistleblower initially on Twitter, the largest megaphone into the cultists. And he said, the reason that Trump won't release the files is because he's in the files.
5:06And that was one of their big first big breakup fights. So it's almost like, I mean, that the actions of what these oligarchs are doing are absolutely corroborating what you're revealing to us in this article here. Elon Musk being one of the biggest monetary supporters of J.D. Vance because they want a puppet who is a moral contortionist, as your article says. Well, and Donald Trump is not as smart and cunning and vile as J.D. Vance because J.D. Vance turns on his wife and kids. But wait, wait, let me ask you this. I like to say that Donald Trump is dumb and I think that he's dumb like if you were to play Jeopardy with him.
5:51But I think his instincts are like political instincts and how to manipulate people are very advanced. And I do think he outperforms J.D. Vance in that regard. Oh, absolutely. But he has a reptilian sense of survival and coming out on top. I agree. But he is not able to do the long game policy. Like he couldn't have come up with Project 2025. He absolutely could not have done it. But here's what's interesting is Vance every now and then will come out in support of Trump and saying, oh, it's a witch hunt or whatever, words to those effect. But on his social media, he still has all the stuff that he was saying about Epstein and we need to release the files.
6:35So he keeps on with this, nothing to hide, but then he keeps stoking the fires. We've seen him on podcasts. You've got to release the Epstein files. And we know that J.D. Vance is probably just as aware of Elon Musk, that Trump is all over these files. If not, we would have had them in May, but we don't. So he's just sitting back watching Donald Trump self-destruct. And if he is the recipients and in the end, the oligarchs who support him are the recipients because unlike Donald Trump, J.D. Vance has no fucking res. Okay. So here's what we have to do is if the oligarchs, which I believe they're sitting back, they're ready to put a puppet because we know if you look at that Curtis Yarvin, if you look at Peter Thiel, you look at Elon Musk, these are some really dark, weird people that have all of this money and they want control.
7:29They're not philanthropists. They don't want no part of any of that. The problem and the miscalculation that these men have had is that they think that J.D. Vance can absorb the support that Donald Trump gets. Now, listen, I don't like Trump. I don't get it how people like him, but that is very real. and J.D. Vance is boring. He's not entertaining. I get a huge gay darping from him. And, and which by the way, like I wish that Pete Buttigieg, I wish that he were president of the United States. Like I have no problem fighting for, uh, J.D. Vance is right. Whatever it is, there's clearly something, you know, that's not quite binary about him with the eyeliner and the way, you know, he sashays and stuff around, which I'm, you know, look, I'm the biggest supporter of all of that on the planet.
8:19But the problem that they're going to face is he's not going to be able to absorb the cult. The cult is going to break up. And this is the thing that's going to be really interesting to watch, pumps and viewer. If Donald Trump has a stroke, drops dead, or he serves his term up, the conspiracy theories, if on the first two has a stroke or drops dead, the conspiracy theories that are going to happen if this happens while Trump is in power. They're not going to be able to blame Democrats or the deep state. So the cannibalism in suing one of these acts is going to be quite the show. Absolutely. And the first person they're going to look at is J.D.
9:03Vance, because he benefits the most with Donald Trump's demise. And I know we've played this a thousand times, but I think it's important to play it again. This is how J.D. Vance really feels about Donald Trump before he figured out that being his vice president helped him with political expediency. Never Trump guy. I never liked him. It makes you think that at a fundamental level, this is sort of a he said, she said. Pause that real quick. And at the end of the. Pause. Okay. Before we play the rest of that, this is, viewer, this is what I want to show you. Okay. This is J.D. Vance before he went and got queer eyed with Peter Thiel.
9:40Okay. And then if you look at current day, JD Vance, look, there's no eyeliner on those eyes right there. You guys, he's a little bit frumpier. He's not as polished. He goes off and he's the person that gets radicalized here because he's a beta. This is a beta male. This is what the MAGA movement campaigned so hard against saying that liberals are like this. When the call is coming from inside the house. Okay. Play the clip. Do you believe Donald Trump, who always tells the truth? Just kidding. Or do you believe that woman on that tape? I cannot stand Trump because I think he's a fraud. Well, I think he's a total fraud that is exploiting these people who is a total fraud.
10:22Like you said, I agree with you on Trump because I don't think that he's the person. I don't think he actually cares about folks. Definitely. There is definitely an element of Donald Trump's support that has its basis in racism or xenophobia. I think there's a chance if I feel like Trump has a really good chance of winning that I might have to hold my nose and vote for Hillary Clinton. I think that I'm going to vote for I'm going to vote third party because I can't stomach Trump. I think that he's noxious and is leading the white working class to a very dark place. Isn't that interesting? That is where when he had moral clarity, that's when he stood up for his wife and his children and immigrants and poor people.
11:04And now he is just as bad as the rest of them. And not only did he hold his nose, he puckered up his lips and put him right on Trump's ass because he wanted power. I want to return to a place in our country where this sort of duplicity is disqualifying forever. And the fact that this has been normalized, because J.D. Vance is reminiscent of so many other politicians, but also millions of Americans who also said similar things. And then like all betas truly do, they've completely morphed over to this dark side. And I want to live in a society and a place where this is disqualifying to become a worse person.
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