JD Vance Plotting Takeover as Trump Grows More Paranoid and Unhinged

0:04To figure out what's going on with the lawsuit between Rupert Murdoch and the Wall Street Journal and Donald Trump, we have a legal expert, Katie Phang. Welcome. Hi. Hi. Okay. So tell me the scoop about what's going on. You see Rupert Murdoch, who has just absolutely had his lips on Trump's ass through Fox for all these years. I mean, it's basically state-run propaganda media over there. And then the Wall Street Journal publishes this letter. And now he's suing the Wall Street Journal. And then we hear all this stuff behind the scenes about J.D. Vance. So tell us what you know about the lawsuit that he filed.

0:43So the lawsuit was filed in the Southern District of Florida. And you and I were chatting a little bit about this idea of, I think Trump was probably hoping he was going to get Eileen Cannon as his judge who we know just has been kowtowing to everything that he has wanted in terms of donald trump but here's what's kind of crazy is it's a defamation lawsuit right and the lawyer i know who's suing on behalf of donald trump is uh debatable um and but the judge who got the case is a spectacular freaking judge who used to be a state court judge that i know here's the thing Rupert Murdoch of all people knows about defamation lawsuits right for a myriad reasons but specifically because if you'll recall he was sued by Dominion voting and they had to pay 787.5 million dollars for defamation so if you are being threatened with defamation by the president of the United States you need to tell me that if you were kind of on the fence about whether or not you should publish a story.

1:43Maybe you would err on the side of, I don't want to pay the money if I don't have an idea, if it's true. But the fact that they ran with this, as in the Wall Street Journal, I think signposts for all of us in America that they got the goods and that they truly believe that they maintained a journalistic integrity when they chased this down before they published that letter. I don't think there's any question about it because reports were that he was screaming he was going to file a lawsuit for days before it happened. And then I read, which I find interesting, that Steve Bannon has 15 hours of footage on a documentary he was making for Jeffrey Epstein, which I'm just like, naturally, and we know Elon Musk said he's, you know, in the Epstein thing, which I look at him and I think that's exactly who I would suspect.

2:29But there was some link between maybe he was the one that alerted the Wall Street Journal. And then And what I find fascinating is this whole J.D. Vance in the Wall Street Journal. So J.D. Vance meets with Rupert Murdoch hours before the Wall Street Journal released bombshell on Trump Epstein. And then Rick Wilson, who I think has his ear to ground in these circles, says that J.D. Vance went and met with Rupert Murdoch about the succession plan after Trump. So I'm like, what is at play here? Like, we're not seeing the full picture, I don't think. Yeah, it's definitely chestnut checkers, right?

3:07And Murdoch knows about secession, right? Because the entire show, secession, was basically based on the Murdoch dynasty. But this is just more palace intrigue, but palace intrigue that we need to be paying attention to beyond just the salaciousness of just how crazy this is, right? because we've always talked about the threat of a J.D. Vance presidency. I actually used to have it pinned. I may still on that cesspool of X. I may still have it pinned, but I talked about the threat of a J.D. Vance presidency because it's constitutionally guaranteed. Meaning if Trump is out, incompetent, out, dead, whatever, and we've seen his cankles, so we know that it's physically a possibility.

3:45J.D. Vance automatically becomes the president of the United States. It doesn't require congressional approval. It doesn't require some votes, whatever it happens, which is why we always need to pay attention to who your vice presidential candidates are in these races. But Vance is a little bit of a head scratcher because I totally believe that he is so freaking Machiavellian that he would totally plot the ability to take over the Oval Office. A hundred percent. Yeah. And the thing with Vance is he's younger. I think he's more nimble when it comes to intellect and he's clearly more craven than donald trump yes the problem with vance though is he does not have the it factor he has the ick factor as i like to say yes he putting aside the couch stuff like there's just something that's not really cult-like about jd vance in fact he just gives you ick and so even though donald trump gives you ick too it's just different right he have that charisma i think that people talk about donald trump which i failed to see but i understand other people have experience or whatever yeah and i don't think vance could carry the date but remember vance doesn't really have to do anything right he doesn't have to win run and win he's already there he just has to get trump out of the way right and we know that he went to peter thiel's yossify camp where he came back and he looked better and he had the eyeliner and he's doing all this.

5:08So he is in deep with these oligarchs. And I'm with you. I don't think he has any riz, but I think he's smarter. He's way more craven than Trump. And, you know, everybody has used from Putin to the oligarchs, Elon Musk, all of them. He's a useful idiot. You say, oh, your hands are big. You're so athletic. You're better than Obama. And he'll do whatever you want. But with this crisis of Epstein, you know, is he now becoming a liability in their mind? I don't know, but I am hearing that he's extremely paranoid about Vance. And we know Donald Trump is the most paranoid person on the planet because he's out to get everyone.

5:50So he naturally assumes everybody's out to get him. So my thing is, how far is Vance going to go down the rabbit hole on this if he's already going to Fox News owner Rupert Murdoch in secret meetings. Like that has to strain this relationship. And MAGA is already madder than a hornet about J.D. Vance. I'm seeing online like J.D. Vance is out to get Trump. Like, so what does MAGA do if in fact, I mean, we all know Trump's incompetent. The 25th Amendment would be a layup, but he'd have to work in those MAGA circles to get, you know, hit Trump's people to approve of that. So it's like he has no charisma and then he bumps off the leader.

6:31Then what happens? What does MAGA do? I mean, what do you think? Well, you've got Vance pouring kerosene on the conflagration, right? Like after this Wall Street Journal thing comes out, Vance, instead of just keeping quiet, which he's done before, right? He's strategically timed his forward facing commentary in the discourse about these issues that are a little bit spicy for Trump. In this instance, he was like, well, if you've got the letter, publish it, Wall Street Journal. And we're all sitting here being like, oh, man, you really want to burn that guy, huh? It's like the burn book, right?

7:04He's like, bring out the burn book, bring out the burn book. Like he's all excited about that shit rolling out. And so, but Vance is not elegant about it. No. I think the problem with Vance is, again, the palace intrigue, It's got to be done in an elegant way. If you're this brazen about it, I think it actually turns people off. And I think it also makes people think he has this pre-existing relationship with Musk and Teal and Silicon Valley and the broligarchs. He totally, to your point, he's already connected with them. He's already tried to kind of break away a little bit from Trump. And then he had to be reeled back.

7:41He kind of had to have like his wrist slapped with the ruler because he tries to get out there a little bit ahead of it. We saw that during the campaign, but he's kind of been biding his time. I think Vance has been biding his time on the sidelines, kind of nodding his head in agreement, but again, not getting super dirty in all of this, right? So stuff with like the immigration stuff, whatever, he's not really vociferous, is he? He kind of sits there and maybe drops a couple of words of encouragement, but doesn't like shit on fire. People like that, I don't think MAGA truly wants they want you all in for total crazy sign me up all the way like thelma and louise energy going off the cliff together or it's like or you're not in because think about it all the crazies are the crazies laura loomer steve bannon steven miller like those people don't know moderate for but and that's why i feel like that's what they want and that's why but you know who's the true useful idiot is donald trump absolutely he's the quintessential useful idiot for people like Stephen Miller.

8:40Oh, and here's the deal. Is there going to be a clash between Stephen Miller and J.D. Vance? Because everybody knows Trump doesn't give a fuck about policy or what's going on. So Stephen Miller is running that show. So Vance's power starts to, you know, etch up. I don't see Vance and Miller working together. So I feel like that's really where the clash of the Titans is going to, the rubber is going to hit the road. That's like a Cain and Abel event, right? Yeah. Right. One of them is going to take one of them out, like legit. No. And it's because you can't have two huge dumb egos in the same room at the same time.

9:18And that power vacuum is significant. And to your point, though, people attribute success to Stephen Miller. I don't think people attribute shit to J.D. Vance. No, that's a great point. That is a great point. And I feel like they think Miller is like the architect of all this amazing success for MAGA. And I just think that they look at Vance and they're like, it's just couch fuckery with this guy, right? Like, I don't think they really think that like bands is advancing significant success for this movement. I don't think they do. Okay, let's face it. Everybody likes nice things. Everybody likes name brands, but it is so hard for me to pay those prices.

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11:40And J.D. Vance, I have to remind everybody because she bothers me the most, is married to Usha Vance, who's a freaking Indian an immigrant so it's like you mean so so that's the problem jd vance is handicapped in that way right like as in like he has to deal with the fact that he goes home to an immigrant family with half immigrant children right i mean it's kind of crazy if you think about it but vance can't possibly be all in to the maga agenda because not he went to um he went to one of our bi-coastal educational institutions. You know, he purportedly comes from, you know, like a background that used to be, he was critical of Trump.

12:20He comes from a background that otherwise would be supportive of Democrats. And he's married to a minority and his children are half of that minority. There is no way that Vance is going to sit there and be able to appeal to the MAGA movement the way that Stephen Miller does. So Stephen Miller lurking is the most dangerous part of this administration. I agree. The one who has his finger on the pulse of everything. And I'm telling you, I feel like maybe we should not be attributing all of this kind of palace intrigue to J.D. Vance. Maybe it's people like Stephen Miller who are strategically dropping a dime on Donald Trump.

12:57You think? Because Stephen Miller, there is no world where he exists successfully without a Donald Trump type figure. Like he could not exist in a world where it wasn't just completely upside down because he is so vile and so craven and so diabolical. So I just think if Trump goes, Stephen Miller goes. Because I just don't, he does not have the appeal. are you or maybe listen maybe miller's like a rasputin maybe miller goes through different leaders right maybe maybe miller bides his time doesn't assert himself in the king role but uses his his influence to kind of guide those people right so he goes from autocrat to autocrat fascist to fascist knowing that he gets you know he gets off on scratching those itches those perverse issues that he has and he could just do it through different useful idiots and if you're jd vance maybe you see the the kind of strategic power of keeping somebody like stephen miller in your pocket and that's the reason why you continue to do the stephen miller route because again that appeals to the maga movement and that's what keeps people like donald trump in power i did a book event with stacy abrams last night and she said some she said all sorts of amazing but the one thing that she said that it really kind of struck me is this donald trump is that useful idiot he is not the mastermind he's not the one controlling all of the strings and the elimination of donald trump does not mean that the movement ends that's what the elimination of donald trump that is the terrifying thing and that's what we need to be focusing on the elimination of donald trump doesn't mean that maga dies maga does not die with donald trump it has now become so ingrained in our congress and our judiciary and into our ecosystem of life here in america that we need to be combating the movement, not necessarily the titular head.

14:53Well, and I agree with you. And here's the thing. He's the, I mean, him being the leader is so easy to find flaws with versus somebody that was smart, intellectual, gave a shit because he's, he's like a bull in a China closet. So if you get somebody in there that's calculating, that's elegant, that's a lot bigger problem than the bull in the China shop that we've got with Donald Trump. And I did see part of that interview with Stacey Abrams and she is such a fantastic leader. She really is. She really is. And one thing that she said too that I'll say in parting is that there's no failure here, right?

15:36Like she's the first to say that she has publicly run for office and that she doesn't define success by winning, right? Sometimes success is just the running. sometimes the success is she said adding chapters to the book right it may not actually be finishing the book but you're adding chapters to the book so i think about how we you jennifer everybody who's kind of pushing these conversations like we're doing here and in these spaces we are adding chapters to that book we are having these conversations to increase people's knowledge and to also make them think about what else there is other than just one person.

16:16It has now become so, it's infected our world, this MAGA energy, and we have to detoxify ourselves. And to do that, we have to continue to talk about it. And we need to encourage fantastic people to run for office so that they can help us make a difference in their own roles. You're so right. And I look at the No Kings March, and hopefully there'll be more. I mean, we are not in a vacuum seeing this and the depravity and like the human rights violations. Other Americans feel that too. So thank you, Katie, so much for coming on today. I would love to have you on again. You're so much fun to talk to.

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