Kash Ruined After Lawsuit Backlash and Trump Begs Joe Rogan to Support Him

20 Apr 2026 · 22 min · 8 chapters

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In short

Kash Patel sues The Atlantic for $250M over an investigative report alleging he drinks heavily and neglects FBI work; discussion then shifts to Trump courting Joe Rogan after Rogan criticizes him, plus international and U.S. politics (Netanyahu/ICC, tariffs, LGBTQ preschool funding case).

Guests

Josh Welch, attorney and podcast host’s husband.

Guest backgrounds

Josh Welch is described as an attorney; no further personal or professional credentials are provided in the transcript.

Key claims

Patel’s defamation case is “dead on arrival” because discovery would show statements are true (drinking, work attendance, competence). Trump “wins back” Rogan via FDA approval for ibogaine. Hungary’s new PM will enforce ICC rulings and may arrest Netanyahu. Trump tariffs cause inflation and taxpayer-funded refunds. Republicans push culture-war litigation, including a Colorado preschool funding case involving same-sex parents.

Notable examples

Atlantic’s reporting based on 24 recorded people; prior Patel defamation suit in Texas seeking dismissal and attorney fees; Rogan’s White House visit; ibogaine FDA approval via Trump text; Hungary PM denying Netanyahu’s Budapest invitation and referencing ICC enforcement; Supreme Court reviewing Colorado law on state preschool funding for same-sex couples.

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Kash Patel's Defamation Lawsuit

0:46 to 3:08

Discussion on Kash Patel's $250 million defamation lawsuit against The Atlantic.

“These characters like Kash Patel, Donald Trump, they love to grandstand and say, I'm going to file a lawsuit.”

Defending the Atlantic's Reporting

3:09 to 5:10

Analysis of the Atlantic's defense against Patel's lawsuit and its implications.

“He has filed defamation lawsuits before, which seems to be a feature and not a bug of people in the Trump regime.”

Trump's Relationship with Joe Rogan

5:11 to 9:44

Examination of Trump's efforts to regain support from Joe Rogan amidst criticism.

“Moving along here, you know, we've seen over the course of the last two to three months, these bro podcasters, Rogan, the flagrant guys, Theo Vaughn and others, even, oh my God, even what's the crazy one, Alex Jones.”

Rogan's Capitulation to Trump

9:45 to 12:04

Discussion on Rogan's willingness to support Trump despite past criticisms.

“Somebody, his son-in-law wants$2 billion from the Saudi.”

Political Changes in Hungary

12:05 to 14:02

Analysis of the political shift in Hungary and its implications for global politics.

“Then we have the best news that's happened in 2026, of course, is the defeat of Viktor Orban in Hungary.”

Netanyahu's Stance and American Denial

14:02 to 15:52

Discussion on the newly elected prime minister's stance on Israel and war crimes.

“Josh, what's your take on all of this and Netanyahu?”

Trump's Tariff Policy and Its Consequences

17:16 to 21:38

Analysis of the impact of Trump's tariffs on the economy and working-class Americans.

“failure, increased inflation, wrecked fundamental components of the U.S.”

Supreme Court's Decision and Family Rights

21:38 to 22:02

Debate on the Supreme Court's review of policies affecting LGBTQ+ families.

“Their bigotry is now targeted to preschoolers.”
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0:04The Atlantic wrote a lengthy expose on Kash Patel that exposed via 24 people on record that he likes to get all liquored up and dick off at the FBI and not show up for work and is constantly paranoid that Trump is going to fire him. He says it's a lie, and he's now filed this huge defamation lawsuit. Pop this up. FBI Director Cash Patel sues the Atlantic for$250 million over its story on his alleged drinking. Here to discuss this with me is attorney and husband of mine, Josh Welch. Josh, what do you make of this$250 million lawsuit? These characters like Kash Patel, Donald Trump, they love to grandstand and say, I'm going to file a lawsuit.

0:54And they love to put these millions of dollars and commas and zeros at the end of how much their damages are. And if you'll remember, I believe Donald Trump sued Hillary Clinton for the Russia hoax. And not only did he not prove his case, not only did he not prevail on that case, but I believe a judge ordered he and one of his cohorts to pay close to$1 million. So this is just another political PR scam by Kash Patel. I will say that as a lawyer, it would be breathtakingly easy to prove two things with Kash Patel. Number one, that he's incompetent. I mean, could you imagine how easy that would be just to lay up for the jurors?

1:41Yeah. And number two, that he drinks a lot. Like how hard would that be? Like any incompetent lawyer would love to get that case. So best of luck to Cash, best of luck to his rock solid team of lawyers. And what do you think happens once they send all the requests for discovery? And apparently the Atlantic interviewed like hospitality workers, waitresses, waiters, people that own these establishments, liquor stores, et cetera. How long before his lawyers are like, we've got to fold up here? On a defamation case, it also brings to light that a defense in any defamation case is obviously, are the statements truthful or not?

2:24So the lawyers defending this case will want to show, and what will be relevant is whether or not, number one, he is competent. So there's all sorts of questions and discovery and depositions you can take to that effect. Does he drink too much? Does he show up for work? like all of those things are relevant. They're not going to be able to be prevented from pursuing and they're not going to want to get into that stuff. This thing is dead on arrival. And here's what the Atlantic has posted in response to this statement from the Atlantic. We stand by our reporting on Kash Patel and we will vigorously defend the Atlantic and our journalists against this meritless lawsuit.

3:07So they're teeing up, but this is not Cash's first rodeo. He has filed defamation lawsuits before, which seems to be a feature and not a bug of people in the Trump regime. Pop this up. Cash Patel has attempted defamation suits against journalists before, including a suit filed in Texas over a report that Patel was spending more time at nightclubs than at FBI headquarters. Months later, defendant is now requesting quote the court grant his motion to dismiss and permit him to move for an award of attorney's fees and costs against Patel. And so then here's an excerpt from that for the additional reasons set forth in Richie, defendant Figluzzi respectfully requests that the court grant his motion to dismiss and permit him to move for an award of attorney's fees.

4:00Josh, what's your take on that? Well, that's kind of a preview I think of what you're going to see in this lawsuit. Again, And it would go something like this. So you would send Cash and some of his cohorts a subpoena to take their depositions. And in the deposition, you would say, Cash, do you drink? Cash, do you work? Do you show up for work? And then you would ask other witnesses, does this man drink a lot? Does he go to work very much? Is he very smart? And when all those people say, no, he's not very smart. Yes, he drinks all the time. No, he never goes to work. Then you don't have a defamation lawsuit.

4:32what you have is a factual story that told the exact truth. So again, he'll grandstand, talk about the millions of dollars for people that just read the headlines. They'll read it, they'll think there's a little merit to it, but in about six months or a year, this lawsuit will be dead on its face. And I just want to point out that the owner of the Atlantic is Steve Jobs' widow, who obviously has a bank account that could choke a bull. And I imagine that Kash Patel doesn't have quite those types of funds. So I'm sure she's like, let's tee it up big boy. Let's go all day long. Moving along here, you know, we've seen over the course of the last two to three months, these bro podcasters, Rogan, the flagrant guys, Theo Vaughn and others, even, oh my God, even what's the crazy one, Alex Jones.

5:29They're all like now off the Trump train. And so Trump really thinks that Joe Rogan is his crown jewel. And Rogan has called the people in the Trump regime, they're all fucking dorks. People in the MAGA movement are fucking dorks. He's talked about Trump's deportation being completely insane, that they're getting like, you know, gardeners and people that are just over here earnestly working. And so Rogan's been pretty railing on him, but Trump has a way of, like a lot of dictators do, in implementing this humiliation exercise. So he calls little pipsqueak Joe Rogan, who has been humiliating Trump.

6:12And then Trump invites him to the White House. And you would think Joe Rogan would go, look, I have$300 million. I bet on the wrong horse. I'm not doing this anymore. No, no. Joe Rogan immediately, immediately goes to the White House, pop this up. Trump and administration officials are working aggressively behind the scenes to court Joe Rogan, even as the podcaster torches the president over the Iran war and other things. The White House had been working to build bridges to Rogan for months. Trump is frequently in touch with the podcaster, according to a Trump aide. Rogan has increasingly broken with the administration over the Iran war, calling it a betrayal of no new war's promises, compared its brutal ICE tactics to the Gestapo, criticized lack of Epstein-filed transparency, disagreed with tariffs, and declared himself politically homeless in April of 2026.

7:12And just this weekend, Rogan, if you saw a head barely standing over Trump sitting down, that was Joe Rogan. Josh, what's your take on that? If you're Joe Rogan, how do you go from at some point Trump going too far away from you and then he wins you back? Like it's the winning back part that I don't understand. I mean, to go to the White House and after everything Trump has done and to offer him support. I mean, think rationally. When Trump sent out the tweet about him being the Pope or looking like Jesus, at what point does he lose you? At one point, can you say, look, I'm not going back there.

7:59But like you pointed out, Trump has this way of getting people, even people like Joe Rogan, to come back around. And it's embarrassing. I don't think we understand it. You know what's so crazy about it is that a lot of the people that are in Trump's orbit have the bank accounts to be able to say, fuck you, they have fuck you money. And it's just this complete capitulation. These men that have exploited and or worked hard, whatever it is, they get to this place and then they go and bend the knee to this man who clearly has dementia, is obsessed with his interior design projects and wears a full face of makeup every single day.

8:43Yet we want alpha men in the White House. But oh yeah, our guy wears a shit ton of makeup. It's just the weirdest stuff. And if you're Joe Rogan and you're sitting there in the White House, do you not have any self-respect to just think, what the fuck am I doing here? Like this guy lost me a long time ago. All this crazy shitty tweets out and stuff like that. Like, here's what I don't get. If Trump lost you, then what the fuck has he done to get you back? How does that work? That's the part that just completely levels me. If he lost you, then he's fucking out. Then it would get worse. Yeah. But somehow he's done something to where he's back in your good graces to where you think he's competent and he's a good leader and a good person and a good role model.

9:28It's like, who the fuck are you? Well, here's what Joe Rogan wanted. He wanted FDA approval from Trump because everything with Trump is a shakedown. Everything is a shakedown. Somebody wants a pardon. Somebody wants to get their baby mama deported. Somebody, his son-in-law wants$2 billion from the Saudi. We got to get this criminal out of prison. Everything is a shakedown. These people are dirty cops that cannot play by the rules, yet sit around and act like they're oppressed because of all the DEI. Play the clip. I want to tell everybody how this happened. I sent President Trump some information.

10:10We have a gigantic opiate problem in this country, obviously. In 2024, more than 80 ,000 people died of overdoses. It's a horrible number. And there's more than 5 million people that are addicted to opiates right now in this country. With one dose of Ibogaine, more than 80 % of people are free of that addiction. With two doses, it's more than 90%. I sent him that information. The text message came back. Sounds great. Do you want FDA approval? Let's do it. It was literally that quick. Sounds great. Do you want FDA approval? Let's do it. And then Joe Rogan gets FDA approval and then participates in this humiliation exercise.

10:54And I just want to point out the fact that Trump has to sit in the high chair with all of the people standing around him. That just always will, that will never look normal to me. All of these buffoons, all of these men jockeying. Here we go. Look at how, look at these fucking crusty goobers. I mean, Joe Rogan's right. They all are a bunch of fucking dorks and you're at the epicenter of it, big boy. And you're big boy. They should have put him in a booster step right there, Joe Rogan. So at least he could have appeared taller. I think though it's answered our question because I was asking, I was posing the question, what could Trump possibly do to win you back over at this point in time?

11:33And so I think we've answered that. He's obviously giving Joe Rogan this FDA approval for Ibogaine, which in all honesty, I would support like psychedelics for what they do with people that have PTSD or addiction, or there's a whole wave of science that I support, but to have to go in and like you said, bend the knee and capitulate to get this and go through this ceremony and that everybody just is okay with that. It's like you see it time and time again, people do it. There's just no, there's no end to the shame. None. All right. Then we have the best news that's happened in 2026, of course, is the defeat of Viktor Orban in Hungary.

12:15And we know that Netanyahu endorsed Viktor Orban. We know that Donald Trump endorsed Viktor Orban. And Donald Trump sent J.D. Vance, speaking of humiliation exercises, he rat-fucked J.D. Vance to the nth degree and sent him to go campaign with Viktor Orban. And it was a landslide. And this guy, the new prime minister of Hungary, Magyar, he says he'll arrest Netanyahu if Netanyahu comes to Hungary. And this is a complete departure from Viktor Orban. Pop this up. Magyar confirms that Netanyahu was lying when saying he was invited to Budapest. So Netanyahu said, oh, yeah, I've been invited to Budapest.

13:06The new PM says that's a lie. And today the incoming PM said per business that Hungary under him will, quote, have a legal obligation to enforce the ICC rulings. And I'm sure Netanyahu knows this. So here's, and this is according to Bloomberg reporting. So here's what's happening right now, you guys, is increasingly the United States and Israel are isolated on the global stage. And you have the prime minister of Spain, who is really the moral nucleus of Europe right now, in my opinion. And he is speaking out, not against Jewish people. Nobody is doing that except for the far right MAGA people, speaking out against the war crimes, the absolute genocide and war crimes being committed by Israel and the United States of America.

13:58And Benjamin Netanyahu should be arrested. He should absolutely be hauled off in bracelets. Josh, what's your take on all of this and Netanyahu? How refreshing is it to see a leader, this newly elected prime minister, take this position? It's painfully obvious what the position should be, but we live in this country where it's almost like we're in denial or we're co-conspirators with Israel in every single thing we do. And if you stand up and dissent in any way, fashion or form, you're somehow a traitor. It's refreshing to see, especially a newly elected prime minister, stand up and speak the truth, which is obvious.

14:40I completely agree. And we live in this country right now where saying the truth, saying that Benjamin Netanyahu is committing war crimes, you have sitting US senators who will not say this. You all famously remember, I got into it with Cory Booker. Is Benjamin Netanyahu a war crime? The answer is yes. Yes, he is a war criminal. And so the United States has a problem with Israel right now. And the population of the United States does not want to fund war crimes against kids and the expansion of the Greater Israel Project. It is insane. It is utterly, utterly insane. For Magyar, though, to say this, he's just been elected.

15:24So for him to come in and take this position and say, look, we will honor the ICC and we will honor these convictions. It's pretty astounding where we live in this country that we love so much that is so in denial about these things. So I applaud it. I applaud this man. I think his election and his success has been a breath of fresh air in what is sometimes an otherwise dismal news cycle. All right. Finding a doctor is a really, really difficult task. You need to find someone who listens, who makes you feel comfortable, who calms your nerves, explains things clearly without completely being hysterical and overreacting that's close to you, available and in your network.

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17:15And then, of course, Donald Trump and his tariff policy has been nothing short of an abject failure, increased inflation, wrecked fundamental components of the U.S. economy. Pop this up, Kylie. Exactly two months after the Supreme Court struck down President Donald Trump's most sweeping tariffs, American importers who were owed$166 billion in refunds plus interest can begin applying for reimbursement through a new U.S. Customs and Border Protection portal. So this is just another Trump failure that the American taxpayer is going to have to foot the bill. And it's always, Josh, it's always Republican presidents do this every time.

17:59They go into rural American, they lie and they say, we're going to make you rich. We're so good at business. Wealth is going to trickle down. We love Jesus. We love the troops. We love the flag. They lead you into wars. They lead us into economic failure in our lifetime. It seems like every Republican president leads the United States to this same shit. They love to wave the flag around. They love to talk about how they love vets. They love hardworking Americans. And then this is just kind of a prime example. So this is a situation where the companies are going to receive this money and the consumers are basically going to be responsible for having paid the tariffs and not get any kind of refund.

18:41Right. And these companies are going to get the money. The customers paid the tariffs. We paid price increases. And this is another corporate bailout dick over on working class Americans. And then I want to leave you all, this is really interesting. And I want to premise this with, you hear a lot of democratic strategists say, oh, the far left of the democratic party is too into culture wars. They just, they need to quit talking about the bathroom and all of this stuff. It's such bullshit. It is an absolute lie that the left is obsessed with culture wars. It's the Republicans. They always have been, they always will be.

19:22And any democratic strategist that buys into that narrative is clearly some form of fascist collaborator. Because here we have here, the Supreme Court is taking up a case in Colorado on admitting children into a preschool that have gay parents. Pop this up. Supreme Court agrees to review a Colorado law to determine if preschools that decline children of same-sex couples may receive state funding. Josh, unpack this for us? Well, you have this religious right that the church in this case is relying upon versus individual freedoms. And you see the Republicans time and time again, and the Supreme Court has agreed to take this case up, which is odd in and of itself.

20:08But I think you said it best. The Republicans love the divide that comes from cases like this. They love anytime they can shame or marginalize anyone who's gay or trans. They want to capitalize on that because they view that as a strength. And the court in this case is going to take this case up and they're going to weigh, presumably they're going to do a test and weigh the rights of freedom of religion with your individual rights to have a same-sex marriage or relationship. But really it's more about it's more about dividing and trying to use these sort of issues in a way. The Supreme Court has plenty of other things that they should be weighing in on.

20:50The fact that they're interested in a case like this shows their obsession with gay and trans litigation. Yeah, and I will tell you that I think the Supreme Court will end up ruling because the majority of the Supreme Court are all religious nuts. This case sets up a major First Amendment showdown pitting religious liberty against the rights of LGBTQ plus families with implications for publicly funded religious schools across the country. So imagine this, and I just think Democrats need to message this and message this and message this. Republicans are the anti-family party, period. They are now, have a platform against preschoolers that have gay dads or gay moms.

21:38It's insane. Their bigotry is now targeted to preschoolers. And this is also the same party that covers up for a child pedophile ring and Jeffrey Epstein. This is also the same party that will never fund healthcare, that will never fund childcare. The MAGA party is a death cult, anti-family death cult. All right, that's all we have. Like, subscribe. We'll be back later. Thank you.

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