In short
The hosts discuss a leaked hot-mic clip and related reporting as evidence that Trump administration officials threaten opponents, plus broader claims about MAGA “supermajorities” worsening life in red states, Christian “signaling,” and alleged conspiracies around Charlie Kirk’s death and his widow Erica Kirk’s media tour.
Guests (and backgrounds)
No formal guests appear; the episode centers on the hosts’ commentary. Named figures include Jesse Watters (Fox News host) and Scott Besant (interviewee), Laura Ingraham (commentator), and Caroline Leavitt (Trump spokesperson). Erica Kirk is discussed as Charlie Kirk’s widow.
Key claims
MAGA officials are cruel and short-sighted; Christian signaling (crosses, “armor of God,” Ten Commandments talk) masks hypocrisy; red-state policies are driven by Republican supermajorities; Erica Kirk’s “grieving” posture conflicts with her public appearances.
Notable examples
Watters/Besant “Trump baby boom” clip; Laura Ingraham reacting to CNBC’s “worst states” list; a leaked tape where Leavitt allegedly threatens CBS; rumors about Tyler Robinson and Charlie Kirk; Erica Kirk’s “armor of God” remarks during Turning Point appearances during the trial.
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Chapters
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0:04 to 0:17
A discussion about Jesse Waters' comments on the Trump administration's focus on increasing birth rates.
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Jesse Waters and the Trump Baby Boom
0:55 to 1:55
A discussion about Jesse Waters' comments on the Trump administration's focus on increasing birth rates.
“We want people to have babies during the Trump administration.”
Laura Ingraham's Confusion on Red States
2:54 to 5:19
Analyzing Laura Ingraham's misunderstanding of living conditions in red states.
“and she goes on air and humiliates herself and she's confused by a new report about the quality quality of life in red states.”
Caroline Levitt's Threat and Hypocrisy
6:37 to 7:39
Discussion on Caroline Levitt's leaked threat and her hypocrisy within Trump's regime.
“But then if we move on, a leaked tape reveals that Caroline Levitt, threatening CBS during an interview will sue your ass off.”
Conspiracy Theories and Charlie Kirk's Death
9:26 to 14:02
Exploring rumors surrounding Tyler Robinson and the implications of Charlie Kirk's death.
“And Tyler Robinson is, of course, the alleged shooter of Charlie Kirk.”
Skepticism Towards Trump and Right-Wing Media
14:02 to 15:00
Discussion on trust issues with the Trump administration and right-wing media responses.
“on purpose by design people that will morally bend for him.”
Erica Kirk's Media Presence During Controversy
16:35 to 23:22
Analysis of Erica Kirk's media activities amid her husband's trial and the implications for right-wing messaging.
“This is her, an alleged grieving widow, while her husband's alleged murder trial of his killer is going on.”
Transcript
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0:55Angie Sullivan:let's do a little check-in on how pathetic weak and what freak shows the people that we oppose are we are the opposition party to this insanity and first i'm going to do a little check-in with miss prisspants as i like to call him jesse waters who's sitting down with scott besant joking about, wait for it, the Trump baby boom. Play the clip. Triple match. Triple match. We're having a lot of babies. We want people to have babies during the Trump administration. Exactly. You can claim the 1 ,000, the vice president's done it, chief of staff, Caroline Leavitt. Caroline Leavitt. Stephen Miller. Stephen Miller.
1:39You guys are very busy. We know what their hobby is.
1:44Angie Sullivan:Just a couple of queens talking about breeding, you know, just shooting the shit in the hallways of wherever they were, the White House, the East Wing, just talking about breeding. Like, really, Jesse, like out of all the people in the cabinet, you're talking to Scott Besant about breeding. I mean, these people are so weird. That's just it's so weird. I thought they were on Fox News going bananas because birth rates were declining just like two weeks ago. Here's the thing, and I'm petty. Did you notice when Jesse Waters said Stephen Miller, he just lit up like a Christmas tree. I mean, his smile started just shooting bright stars.
2:24Angie Sullivan:It's fucking weird shit. I think Jesse Waters is the only human being on earth that thinks Stephen Miller is attractive. I do. i think he's the only one i mean it's obvious it's obvious as shit that katie miller's miserable i mean you don't have to go on and on and on and post about how great your life is if it's really great so that's always a red flag for me okay moving along laura ingram is really confused and she goes on air and humiliates herself and she's confused by a new report about the quality quality of life in red states. Play the clip. Friends, this CNBC report just comes out. They listed the 10 worst states to live in for 2026.
3:11All the states on this list, okay, Trump won. Every state except Georgia in 2020. And the list included four of the top 10 states for business. How does that make any sense?
3:24Angie Sullivan:Who's going to tell her? I mean, who's going to tell her? the reason, Laura, that all of these red states suck is because they're governed by MAGA super majorities. I come from one. You, the unmarried single mother, your lifestyle wouldn't be received that well in a lot of these states. So you like to get on camera and talk about women and women staying at home and traditional family values, and you don't live it. It's all bullshit. It's all gaslighting propaganda bullshit. You don't get it. Let me tell you what women in Oklahoma are getting right now. They're getting to go to the doctor and get an ultrasound and find out that their fetus has massive, massive problems.
4:13Angie Sullivan:And in a normal, civilized society that values healthcare and values privacy and values freedom of bodily autonomy, the doctor could say, we're going to have to do an emergency DNC this pregnancy is not viable. It could injure you. This baby's not going to live. This fetus is not going to live. Instead, the doctor has to say, I'm so sorry, there's nothing I can do for you. And then secretly kind of suggests that they need to go out of state. And so these are very serious things that are happening. And if you live in one of these states, or if you live in the United States of America right now, and you're not happy with the way things are run, it's the Republicans fault.
4:57Angie Sullivan:All of those top 10 states, Republican super majorities, those top 10, which are actually bottom states, the United States of America right now, if you're not happy, these are Republican policies. This is what they do every single time. But there's a great bargain in there somewhere where white people are okay with these things, as long as politics don't affect them. But now the wreckage is so massive that it will affect you and it's going to affect everyone. And if you don't think that MAGA politics will affect white people, ask Mike Pence. Yeah, they would have killed him. They would have killed him had they found him.
5:42I'm always so glad when you make that reference because I forget about that. And you're absolutely right. And I would just add to what you're saying. The only thing I would add is out of those states that she's talking about four. Four require the Ten Commandments be put in their public schools. And the others have tried. Oklahoma's tried. The Supreme Court said no. The Oklahoma Supreme Court said no. So that's another through line with these. This is the Bible Belt galore in these states. So that's just another through line.
6:16Angie Sullivan:Yeah. The Bible Belt states, if you look at I'm like little Moses Mike grinder Johnson's home state. He doesn't do anything to advocate for Louisiana. It's it's all just being a trad wife to Donald Trump and monitoring his son's porn and probably doing gay stuff at night. That's just my personal opinion that I think he does. But then if we move on, a leaked tape reveals that Caroline Levitt, threatening CBS during an interview will sue your ass off. Play the clip.
6:58Angie Sullivan:I mean, this is just so typical. This is the way these people govern. It's just the objects of everything. Caroline Levitt is an embarrassment of a human being. She is a hypocrite of the highest order. The duplicity in which she engages daily is so dangerous. and breathtaking. And all of these women in the Trump regime that are carrying water for the patriarchy are going to be the first to drown. Look no further than Kristi Noem and Pam Bondi and Tulsi Gabbard. And eventually it's going to come for Caroline Levitt too. None of this is going to age well. And that's what fascinates me so much about the MAGA brain is how short-sighted it is, how impulsive it is.
7:45Angie Sullivan:And like, you can tell these people think that they're going to be in these positions forever. And they just, to me, it's the weakest thing on the planet to be a wealthy person and then go vote for yourself. Like that's, it's the grossest thing that people can do. Be a wealthy person that fights for the everyday man. And so we have this late stage Versailles shit going on mixed with some Nazi shit going on. And the people that could stop it are the first to bend the knee. The very first, the very first, the ones that are throwing the most money at it. And just, you know, I have a personal animus to Caroline Levitt.
8:32Another, you know, here I am on my soapbox again. But another thing you hear from Caroline Levitt, 24, 7, 365 is what a big Christian she is, just like the Ten Commandments in the school. There is a through line between the cruelty and the super Christians. There just is. Yes.
8:54Angie Sullivan:And I believe they use this intentionally. It's Christian signaling. They Christian signal to the base so that when they're lying and when they're talking about really immoral things the non-critically thinking base the evangelicals can go oh well she's a good she's a good girl of the lord she wouldn't lie when she's wearing that cross there's just not a lot of critical thinking abounding there but here's some gct this is crazy okay there is a rumor circulating on Twitter about the family of Tyler Robinson. And Tyler Robinson is, of course, the alleged shooter of Charlie Kirk. So pop this up. Spencer Hakimian posts, Nick Shirley and Tyler Robinson are first cousins.
9:48Angie Sullivan:Nick Shirley was Charlie Kirk's last ever guest. Well, who's Nick Shirley. Leave this up real quick, Kylie. Who's Nick Shirley? Nick Shirley is the guy that lied about the Somali daycare fraud that started all of the ICE provocations, one could argue, was the impetus that led to the government-sanctioned murders of Alex Preddy and Renee good. So Grok fact checks this. And this is, of course, Elon Musk's often lobotomized AI robot on X. And he says, yes, according to public Utah family records and genealogy details shared online, Tyler Robinson and Nick Shirley's mothers, Amber Jones Robinson and Brooke T.
10:38Angie Sullivan:Jones Shirley are half sister sharing the same father that makes the two men half first cousins and that is just if if this is true if this internet rumor is true i mean candace owens is going to lose her fucking mind first and foremost but what are the odds of that you know they're just not right This is so crazy. And I had plotted an hour today to get to the deep, dark bottom of that. I mean, I had set it on my calendar. Penciled in a deep, dark investigation into your day. But then you reminded me there's no one better to conspiracy theory breakdown. I mean, she's going to get right down in the bottle.
11:24Here's the thing. I wonder the same thing. I don't want to be a conspiracy theorist, but the odds of this are just so very small. And there's a cover up here and it's screaming and yelling. And I want to know the details because I think it's darker than even what I can imagine.
11:45Angie Sullivan:You know, when this first happened, as I was reading into it, they drew parallels, people in media and pundits, to the Nazi Germany's Reichstag fire, where there was an intentional fire in the Reichstag to give Hitler even more power to erode civil liberties. And that's an extraordinary claim. But when I saw the way they rolled out afterwards. Hundreds of people got fired from their jobs for calling Charlie Kirk a racist after he was dead, which is completely fine to do. Like Rush Limbaugh is dead. And he was a race baiting, lying, poisonous MF-er. And that doesn't change it. Lindsey Graham is dead.
12:36Angie Sullivan:We can't, you know, postmortem come out and be like, oh, he was so great. Somebody's death doesn't mitigate all the shitty things they did when they were alive. And Charlie Kirk said and did and trafficked in the lowest, most caustic, toxic, disruptive, destructive mindsets out there. And one of them is all this gun shit, which eventually killed him. And ironically, his biggest benefactor, this old guy who funded Turning Point, you know, Turning Point pushed all this anti-vax, no mass shit. Well, he died of COVID. So knowing how they rolled it out, and then I watched the funeral, and then I listened to Stephen Miller's speech at the funeral.
13:23Angie Sullivan:It was so Nazi-esque to its core. I don't think that it is conspiratorial right now as an American to say, I do not trust Donald Trump or anybody that would work for him. We know in Trump 1.0, Washington Post kept a lie tracker and they stopped counting at 30 something thousand lies that this man told. We know now his lies are even more impugned and exacerbated by the sycophants surrounding him and the guardrails that the little Moses Mike Ryder Johnson have removed and the Supreme Court have removed. And he has chosen specifically and on purpose by design people that will morally bend for him.
14:08Angie Sullivan:So I don't think it's unreasonable for any of us to think we don't believe anything coming out of Kash Patel's FBI. We don't believe anything coming out of Donald Trump's mouth. We don't believe any of this shit. What's always been problematic for me about Charlie Kirk's death is the way they all immediately swung into actions afterward. And the people that ended up getting fired for posting something, and like, you know, Charlie Kirk was a racist piece of shit, and I'm not sad if somebody posted that, which is no different than the shit Trump says that when anybody he doesn't like dies, they have all sued and gotten, they've won in court.
14:46Angie Sullivan:They have. Because it's free speech. And so I just think this is fascinating. I wanna watch all of this unravel in right-wing media, Something that I used to absolutely hate, now I absolutely love. I used to hate wearing bras because they were uncomfortable, like poked at me, restrictive. Now I absolutely love my bras because I've switched to Honey Love. Honey Love is an independent, female-founded brand. All Honey Love products are intelligently designed by women who actually wear them. The new crossover contour bra is a perfect example. It combines their best-selling wireless design with molded foam cups to help create a smooth, natural shape.
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16:35Angie Sullivan:To add to the peculiarity surrounding all of this and the jaw-dropping reactions from those that claim to love Charlie Kirk, While his trial is going on, Erica Kirk has been making stops at turning point conferences and doing speaking engagements. This is her, an alleged grieving widow, while her husband's alleged murder trial of his killer is going on. Play the clip. So you have the internet coming after you. You have them slandering your name. you have them saying all this trash about you and what do you do you wake up that next morning you put on the armor of god and you keep going she's so brave here's the thing the defense in this preliminary hearing spoke directly to the fact that erica kirk who has been saying i need privacy i want to be with my family has been on a media tour and she didn't she have some tour like heaven is not full tour or something.
17:44I mean, she's on a full blown media bender during all this. And it was brought up by counsel in the preliminary hearing. That's how ubiquitous this shit is. And just remember this, Erica Kirk is doing all of this shit.
18:01Angie Sullivan:Number one, any notion that like Erica Kirk and Charlie Kirk are like, they were deeply in love and had these highly functional relationships is completely as true as Katie Miller and Stephen Miller are in love and have this highly functioning relationship. They don't. What bonds these people is insecurity and hatred and a taste and an appetite for recreational cruelty. And a lot of people on the coast or abroad won't understand what religion, what role religion plays in this. But what these people do and what happens for my observations is as not being indoctrinated in this and having friends that were growing up, it is a real form of child abuse to tell a child from the moment they're born, they're born bad and they need saving and that their thoughts, God knows everything you think.
18:57Angie Sullivan:Think about how crazy that is. I mean, we all think crazy stuff, but people don't even feel like at a very young age, they have autonomy over their own thoughts. So it creates at a very young age, a state of religious psychosis. And in it, from the jump is that is that they're bad. And then they learn that God, in order to prove your love to God, you got to kill your son, you know, and then God's like, Oh, just kidding. So then these kids are thinking, God, would my parents kill me? and it and there's this cruelty at the heart of it because this sect of christianity forgets about the jesus part they don't really practice they they say it in platitude style ways to make them feel good from time to time but at the core of it is this cruelty and so the erica kirks if you notice she said wrap yourself up in the armor of god armor armor means fighting it means that that you are going to have this spiritual war.
20:01Angie Sullivan:And this is why Tucker Carlson used the lie that he was attacked by four demons, because it's Christian signaling to the people who believe in spiritual warfare. Erica Kirk here used that word, the armor of God, by design to signal to the people that believe in spiritual warfare. Well, why is spiritual warfare so important right now? Because Donald Trump, his form of authoritarianism perfectly segues into the authoritarianism of this right wing Christian evangelical, very binary thought, good versus bad, a sinner versus, you know, a chosen one. So all of these things perfectly dovetail together.
20:44Angie Sullivan:And you can look no further than all of these Christian academies, these hate schools that have popped up all over America. And what are their mascots? the knights the crusaders this is not a religion of peace what erica kirk and charlie kirk and riley gains and all of these christian influencers they have a problem with empathy and they use fighting words like armor and spiritual warfare and they're demons and we're not That's why I get asked the question all the time. Why do Christians like Trump so much? And I'm like, because they're exactly like him. And those of you that are Christians on here that are about more the Jesus part, about the social justice part, I'm not talking about you.
21:35Angie Sullivan:I'm talking about the ones that have infiltrated the federal government. And we have a crazy Christian problem in this country. And the foot soldiers for that are the people in this administration, the Christian signal that wear these crosses because at the heart of it is cruelty and so they weaponize their faith but then when they get called out like she's like they're harassing me on social media and all of these things like she has a choice to eliminate all of that if she wanted to it very you know just stay at home and go to therapy like a normal person but then she uses it as a shield right and so this is a really dangerous component that we have to understand and really adapt politicians moving forward in the opposition party are going to have to be rigorous in calling out this hypocrisy.
22:23Angie Sullivan:And the Democratic Party has been impotent in doing so thus far. And that is what has exacerbated this movement to the highest levers of government, where now it's pretty common conversation on the internet that you hear people talking about the SAVE Act, and you hear them talking about household voting and eliminating a woman's right to vote, because all of this is rooted in this movement, which perfectly aligns with authoritarian governments, because it's an authoritarian, non-critically thinking religion. All right. That's all we have for today. I deep dive into all of that in my book, Not Today Fascists.
23:04Angie Sullivan:And yes, the fascists are, a lot of them, authoritarian religions. And it's a really fascinating deep dive of a lot of research I did to expose how America has this crazy Christian problem and how the crazy Christians now have power. All right, please like, subscribe, pre-order my book. It's linked right below in the show notes, and we'll be back later with more news.
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