MAGA in Meltdown As FBI Drops More Declassified Files; Trump Reacts With Bizarre Post!

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0:35All right, the president's dementia is reaching way like all time high levels. And now he's posting AI generated photos of himself with aliens. Let's pop this up. There is Trump with an alien that is shackled on a military base with CIA and military personnel. Obviously, it's real that he posted this, but it is a fake photo. And joining me on iHIP News today to discuss this is Payne Lindsey. He is an investigative journalist and podcaster known for Up and Vanished, High Strange, which is an incredible UFO docuseries, podcast series, and radio rental. Payne, how are you? I'm good. Thanks for having me back.

1:19It's been too long. Way too long. What do you make of the government and the president dipping into all this UFO stuff? Wait, can we go back to that picture real quick? Yeah, let's look at that again. Are his hands not even shackled together? Well, I think so. There's the wrist and then see the shackle that goes to the other wrist of the alien. Why does Trump's AI always look worse than regular AI? You know what I mean? What app is he using? It makes everything worse. Right. Get the update. So I want to talk to you about UFOs. Last week, the government, his government released over 160 declassified videos like these.

2:00Pop this up. So they're releasing all this shit. And I know that you have been in this genre and investigating this yourself for the better part of what, the last three or four years. And so give me your take on all of this. I mean, there's kind of just a basic conceptual idea here where if the government, no matter who's in charge, whatever, is releasing stuff from the Pentagon and saying, hey, we don't know what these are. Either they're lying about that or they're telling the truth. And I don't see what's to gain by saying we don't know what these things are. Or we have a major balloon problem that isn't.

2:44You know what I mean? Like everything can't be a balloon. To me, this should be a dead story. It's tired, right? I mean, it's been around for too long. Why are we still talking about it? What do you mean it should be dead? Like they don't exist? Yeah, if there was absolutely nothing mysterious in the sky that could be, you know, other intelligence or something, then we would have stopped talking about it by now. And so for the United States government to claim, we don't know what these are, when we know that we spend trillions of dollars year after year after year on the military and all of these things, are you not buying that?

3:27I mean, I think that some people who are saying we don't know what they are, are probably telling the truth. I don't think, you know, when it comes to government secrecy around UFOs, I don't think it's as simple as the man versus us. I mean, have you ever been to the DMV? It's like, we're not that organized, like to keep secrets like that. um and i mean even our best planes like our fighter jets we don't make those you know we don't even make our cars so we outsource that stuff to private companies right if there are any like secrets like that to be kept they're in those kind of departments third party not just you know i don't even think every president is privy to this kind of stuff unless they go digging around and even if they do who knows if they're going to actually be told everything by whoever might know it what like top story ufo story you've investigated you've spoken to a lot of people which one above all has the most veracity to you was the most believable to you and that made you go oh there's something to this i mean there's been a lot of accounts of people that i've talked to and either their firsthand accounts.

4:42So someone who claims they've been abducted or something. And I've talked to people where they were very convincing. Either way, they believe this. And so we're looking at either some other medical condition that we haven't really fully diagnosed because it's not schizophrenia, it's nothing else. You know, they had a one off event where they're convinced this happened to them and it didn't or it did and so there's cases like that and there's also mass sightings I mean even in Arizona the Phoenix lights um what were what were those again you know like flares I don't think so um there's just a lot there's a lot of stories that hold a lot of weight to me but to me it's just kind of the the stack of everything um just if we just kind of step back a little bit.

5:36It would just be silly to think that there's nothing here or we've lost our minds here or we're just bored. Let me ask you this. Is it a universal story that has similarities from like different decades and more importantly, like different countries, like maybe somebody in Ecuador and somebody in China who their paths would not cross, have similar stories. Is there like, you know, how there's near death experiences and people have kind of - It's not just a US problem. And that was kind of one of my first thoughts, like when I got into researching it for real years ago. I mean, growing up, it's like Area 51 and it feels like a very American thing.

6:22Right. I think it's mostly because of pop culture. I mean, Steven Spielberg did a good job. I mean, also he couldn't have timed the movie release better. I mean, the PR team killed it. disclosure day i mean that's great um yeah it's it's worldwide um it's every country in the world that has a real military intelligence they have their own version of a program or files and a lot of those countries are more open about putting them out a lot of them have investigated the u.s investigations into this so it's not limited to um the u.s actually in season two of high strange I interviewed this guy in Wales.

7:03It was a classroom of like 15 kids and they all saw this very bizarre object and this being stepped out of it. And it was a huge mass sighting. And I mean, to this day, I'm like, what do you think it is that you saw? And everyone kind of says the same thing. They just go, I don't know, which is such a frustrating answer. but imagine seeing something that's so unfamiliar that you can't really categorize it or label it. 15. 15. Did the teacher see it as well? The teachers saw it too. Yep. And they all have the exact same account. Yes, they all drew it. I remember from one of your episodes, something about maybe it was Belgium and the forest.

7:44Yes. That's the Rendlesham incident. Tell my listeners about that. I mean, this is also one of the more infamous UFO stories. It was a military base in the UK, but it was an American military base. Basically, the log line of the story is that there were these weird red lights seen that night. And these guys go out to investigate it in the woods. And there's this old kind of creepy tape of the radio transmissions of him encountering this craft. And it's just doing things that are weird, like hovering above the ground. This one guy claims to have touched it. And there's all these strange symbols on it.

8:25There was a huge investigation into this. And the results were muddy, murky. It made the news. Again, it's one of those things where it seems like every story that has either no rational explanation or the explanation that could be rationalized is something that's uncomfortable or weird. it just kind of gets uh you know pushed to the side i think it's also human nature in terms of like i don't know how to compute that um i don't have time for that right right and it seems like i mean for me i think well there hasn't been a smoking gun but then when i listen to your uh high strange stuff i'm like these kind of are smoking guns like 15 little kids in it in a teacher yeah that would be my question actually and it's it's a good one i've asked myself, what is the smoking gun to you?

9:16What is the UFO smoking gun for you? Maybe it's an AI photo. Right. Clearly it's not that. That's getting us further away. So how much do you believe the government has on this? And how much do you think they're hiding from us? I think that it's, when we say the government, I don't think the government at large has a whole bunch of stuff. I think we're talking about, and this sounds super conspiratorial just in the description of it, but I think that we're talking about small, like black departments that are, which already exist. We know this, that are funded in secret. And there's not a lot of people who know everything.

10:01There are probably scientists and military intelligence, probably a lot of veterans who've been in it for a long time. And then everything else is kind of compartmentalized. So there might not be one singular person who knows everything. And I think that's also kind of explains why we're all pointing fingers and asking each other questions, because there isn't like a clear paper trail of any of it. It's just kind of confused. So yeah, I think that to answer your question, yeah, the government definitely knows more about this stuff. but I think it's telling that people in Congress are asking, who are also part of the government, asking questions like, we don't know what the hell's going on.

10:44Why are they asking that? Because they actually don't know and they think there's something going on. So clearly not everyone knows. I think some of the more credible accounts are like pilots. Yes. That understand the way aircraft maneuvers. and they understand the skies. Like for me as a lay person, if I'm on a plane and I look out and I see something that appears to be moving faster, but oh my God, it's UFF. I could totally mistake it. But these military pilots in particular have been like in these radar type situations where they've been locked or they've tried to lock things and they've seen movement of these crafts that defy anything that is their understanding of how advanced our technology in the air can go.

11:36Can you speak to that? Yeah, I mean, there's dozens, if not hundreds of pilots who encountered this stuff. I mean, we're talking about the most advanced, like fighter jets in the world, the most advanced technology we have in terms of aircraft, and they know how to fly these things. They basically helped build the technology that humans use inside of it. And if that person is saying, I saw something that shouldn't be in the sky that I don't fundamentally understand, then that should be taken seriously. That guy's opinion is better than mine. I mean, I wouldn't even have the same sort of perception on something like that as they would.

12:16Didn't one of the astronauts that walked on the moon, didn't he say that he saw? Yes. I mean, there's been a couple different accounts, but I can't remember if it was buzz aldrin or one of them if y 'all will look it up said that he was like stepping out on the moon and he's and i would think an a nasa astronaut i mean the the knowledge that these people have yes is beyond anything that's conceivable to me when you have credible people like saying that they saw something that genuinely disturbed them or confused them and they raised their hand about it, that should have some merit because they're an expert of something and we give them credit there.

12:59So if they raise their hand about a red flag mystery, then maybe we should take it a little bit more seriously. And then again, why would that person make that up? Wouldn't they be more credible in the first place? But yeah, it's such a muddy, murky, frustrating topic. but you know i do know that there are better quality videos i mean shit we our new iphones can shoot movies right yes um so you could never convince me that our most advanced aircraft are stuck with these grainy dots um and so i do know because i've i've spoken to people who have seen them firsthand there are way better quality images and videos which i think is what congress has really kind of been pushing yeah we got the the shitty ones first i guess yeah um that aren't just dots in the sky that you know are metallic craft and multiple angles and interacting in and around military bases and our aircraft where it'd be a little less, I mean, it's a little harder to say, well, it could be this, you know?

14:16But yeah, again, like what's the smoking gun? We're in the day of AI and I could probably create one of these things and make it look pretty damn convincing. Right. So it's either AI or it's a drone. Right. So we're kind of screwed there. What would it take for you to believe? And I think that question at this point would be some personal experience where you're like, I don't know what to tell you, but I saw this and I just know it was off or wrong or different. A personal experience, you can't really beat that. Anything else, you'll just be judging a blurry dot or what could be AI or what could be a drone.

14:56I think for me, the one thing that makes me pause and think maybe there's something to this is to your point that you just said these very credible people. And when you have people in the military, pilots and astronauts in NASA, and not just exclusively to the United States, but then you start talking to other governments and you have these pilots that experience the same thing. Now, of course, some of this could be explained by the military testing out some sort of new technology and you've covered that for sure but there appears to be the propulsion of a lot of these craft aircraft that is beyond anything that we know and that's what kind of makes me think maybe there is something to this and it would make sense that they would want to not tell the public about it because recently when trump said he was going to release all these files the, it marked, it sparked a meltdown in right-wing Christian groups.

15:56Let's play this clip. God is the creator of the universe. He's never not going to create. So it's always been something in my mind to say, well, how can we be the only ones? Like God's not going to stop creating just with us. But the more I look into this, the more I see the Old Testament and what was told to us there of fallen angels and Nephilim. I mean, this is in the Bible. There's nothing that says that fallen angels, that Nephilim just disappeared. And so I believe that this could be an aspect of it. You know, there are things that we have seen that could resemble portals. And, you know, I mean, this is, we serve an image.

16:38Okay. That of course is dipshit Congresswoman Lauren Boebert. but this if this is true it causes an existential crisis for people that believe in the world in a very binary way like the god one day said poof he created the heavens and the earth and then this happened if if there are if there is intelligent life and when we think about how massive the universe is i think it's probably very likely that a goldilocks zone and listener the goldilocks zone is like where the earth is, like distance from heat that can produce life. There's bound to be more Goldilocks zones. And if you think about how much we've progressed just in our lifetimes, I mean, like this thing is incredible.

17:22The technology of this, it would make sense that some form of intelligence could figure out how to do this. And so what do you make of these governments keeping it so close to the vest? Is it to keep order in society? I mean, just think about it. What is there to gain by revealing this big secret if it was there to be revealed? There's nothing to gain except for, hey, it's morally right that we should know the truth, right? That's it. There's no upside. I mean, other than we think it's fair, right? What's there to gain? It only creates risk, whatever that is, whether people, you know, it causes disruption, you know, it goes against people's religion, you know, and like back to that clip, it's, you know, if you see a weird bright light in the sky, you're all of a sudden taking your belief system and applying it to something that's unknown um i mean how many religions are there in the world a lot so we'd have to say that one of them is correct first right right in order to apply religion to any of this stuff yeah um so i feel like that doesn't really jive what is a ghost right what is a spirit what is an angel are those just all kind of just words we use that sound mythical or biblical that are applied to things that are unknown.

18:57I mean, I guess if it was like Christianity and there was a paranormal thing and it was bad or it felt frightening, then it would be a demon or something, right? Or if it was good, it'd be an angel. But what if those things can exist, but they're not just, I don't know, we're trying to apply our way of thinking to something that we don't understand right like i i like this analogy that i thought of one time where if we uh went back in time we gave a caveman an iphone right they could probably like they might be able to turn it on right um they wouldn't really know what to do with it they couldn't charge it um they could definitely break it you think they could answer it they would not know what it is and they probably you know right think it was spooky but they wouldn't know what to do with it right and so when it comes to the ufo stuff i believe that there's enough general evidence and stories that feel credible out there to me that there have been times in the past where we've recovered vehicles that were exotic um craft i guess you would say and we're like i don't know how to turn this shit on like this is beyond my understanding and we know that because of you know the components that are in these metals or whatever it is.

20:21That's not from earth or we haven't been able to do that. So I think that there is a level of, you know, if we're sitting here debating whether or not intelligent life has ever come here, but we're also saying that it's most likely true that they could exist. We just don't know how to get to A to B ourselves. Then if they ever have come here whatever that is we're talking a different level of advanced yeah like going on with area 51 i mean who knows uh i i went out there one time you did i did i mean not like inside i went to the the furthest place you can go at the gate before they shoot you um or apparently it's what they do i didn't want to find out right um but i mean it's out there and it's it is miles off the road And then once you even get into the gates, which I've not been, it's even like another 17 miles or so in.

21:20I mean, it's one of the best places in the world to test stuff like that. Like, I mean, test aircraft, whether it's alien or not. It's a lot of space. It's kind of hard to see from any vantage point, you know. And it's probably mostly underground. Yeah, who knows? I think that there's been many stories about where these crafts may be or if they've been moved around. And again, it would be probably given to just select scientists trying to figure this out. And maybe they're only working on one little part of this. Okay. You brought up scientists. And something that's been getting a lot of attention is these scientists that have gone missing or died in the past few years.

22:00It sparked so much noise online that there was a federal investigation launched to investigate it. What do you think is going on here? And here is the screen. Look at all of these scientists. And some have been shot. Some have gone missing. Some have died in rather mysterious manners. And I think we're at a total of how many? 15, 16? I think it's around 15 to 16. What do you make of that? I mean, it definitely started with, his name is Neil McCasland, I think is his name. Yeah, McCasland was the first one that got a lot of news attention. And that's still just objectively, just by itself, is a strange disappearance.

22:49Where did that guy go? His wife doesn't know. He just literally disappeared from his house. Without his cell phone. Yeah. Where? Why? what? It's just, I mean, that's an odd disappearance regardless. But yeah, if you look at his military background and see who he's connected with, it does make you think that his disappearance could be a little bit more nefarious or something. I think that there's obviously a real pattern here of missing scientists, government people who had some sort of association with the UAP world. What's the UAP? So, I mean, I prefer the term UFO. Unidentified aerial. Phenomenon.

23:32Okay, okay. The less cool way of saying UFO. Okay. I don't know why we ever dropped that one. We always change everything. I know. UAP sounds dumb. It's the woke version of UFOs. Yeah, it's like UFO. Stay classic with it. Yeah. You know what that means. Yeah. But yeah, there's something going on. And, you know, I've talked to some insiders and some Congress people and other journalists who have been following a lot of these stories and about a month ago i was given a date and i didn't have it really in the full context of what it meant i knew that this particular date was important and i knew roughly what it was associated with i had a meeting uh on capitol hill um i recorded it but I didn't put it out yet.

24:18And I was talking to a congressman about UFO stuff. And this individual accidentally said this person's name. And in hindsight, I just listened back to the tape, and I could tell that he didn't mean to let this name slip. So this date had this name. It turns out this person that he was referring to died a mysterious death on this day. And I was like okay i'm pretty sure these things connect and i did my own sort of true crime investigation into it sent a few phantom uh records requests in virginia got nothing but strange responses back uh weird rules that don't seem to apply um i knew that it would definitely send a red flag up the system why is someone looking into this uh this is a very decorated military person um and And then I did like a cryptic Instagram story a few weeks ago saying that I know about this 39 year old individual who was high ranking in the military, who died of mysterious circumstances, according to friends and family and other military buddies.

25:27And then the next day, the Daily Mail did an article on it. And all they said was just basically that. um so i there's not a lot more meat to the bone yet but i do know i've been told the fbi is investigating this and so there are some other cases that aren't just missing persons but they're weird deaths well there's the guy i think he was a yale professor he just answered his door and somebody shot him right and so here's what i think pain lindsey i don't trust the fbi because i think cash patel's a dipshit right i was like i was like fbi's investigating this right why i mean we all know he's too busy getting drunk but i think journalism is the last uh uh form of defense against this fascist regime i think the next pain lindsey gangbuster podcast you need to do a series on all of these scientists in each episode investigate these scientists because i would i would be riveted by that because this is just, it's interesting to me that, okay, obviously Trump is in the Epstein files.

26:33Everybody knows that. He wants to deflect from that, but the UFO, he keeps using it and he keeps bringing it back up combined with all of these deaths and disappearances. It's not one, it's not two, it's double digit death and disappearances while we have these dipshits governing us. And so I think this is the next pain, Lindsay, would you do it I would definitely do it I mean I kind of already have started that to be honest I've been asked by a million people to do this and it's tough because everyone is acting so strange in these cases I've covered so many missing persons cases and true crime stories and every person in involved in these cases are just acting weird about it it's just i don't know if it's because of the current publicity and maybe the i guess the story that it's painting but it's just weird to me um and i i had this sort of weird backstory with my grandpa um that i've i've i guess it's a lot of wishful thinking i guess um but also what the fuck is going on um so my grandpa was a like a weird cool dude a lot of ufo stories like surrounding him from my mom and my cousins and me and i recently looked up his obituary and let me just read like a log line from this um this guy was definitely doing cool stuff and he's completely scrubbed from the internet like grandfather yes yes so his name is chester pain okay my mom's main name was pain this is just his obituary okay during his years in the industry his work took him to over 100 military bases he participated directly in the flight of the latest aircrafts often serving as flight crew remember 1974 certificate of merit by the air force systems command um 1985 recipient of the kelly johnson award he's in the smithsonian museum um called for work from the cia the pentagon air force retired in 1991 from lockheed uh continued working up until he died in 2010 and the CIA came to his deathbed and there was a whole bunch of stuff in my grandpa's house that we don't know where it went um I'm like wait a minute like not to be all conspiracy but it's weird wouldn't this guy like check a lot of the boxes of someone who would have been close and and knowing my grandpa he was a lifer right like back then they were looking for guys I mean they still do looking for guys who will die with the secrets.

29:27Right? Yeah. And he absolutely would have been one of those. So my aunt recently did a lot of digging, she found one box of materials, and she hasn't even opened it yet. And I shouldn't even said that. But it's it's hidden. And it's, I've not looked into it yet. But a party wonders if there's some sort of like family angle where, you know, I can get into a pipeline of information. I think the old regime of military veterans may have a be a part of a different network of the secret keeping. I think today would be very hard just to crack that open. But there's probably a couple nuggets laying around there.

30:11And maybe if we can paint a picture with that get connected, I guess we're applying it to stuff like this um you know similar departments that my grandpa worked in um or it'd be cool if you know my grandpa just worked on ufo stuff that would be fun i kind of want that to be true it'd be so cool yeah but then you end up making all of these did you ever talk to your grandfather about ufos or did he die before you were born um i i talked to him like just casually before um you know i'd asked him questions like you know weird stuff in the sky and he would make comments like Like, you know, it would be silly to think that, you know, we're the only ones out there.

30:50This is like in the 90s. Right. Right. So, yeah, I don't know. But I'm looking for any angle in. I think it's such a broken system. Yeah. And it's a tired narrative that has a million excuses to explain it away now. So we need like a different objective entry point that can actually get some new information. and I will say like of all the experts I've talked to and I mean scientists and you know credentialed people who are real PhDs or military officials they've all kind of said the same thing when it comes down to what are these things right what what could explain all this stuff and it's going to sound a little trippy like I just did a hit of acid or something I didn't it comes down to reality, which, okay, what do you mean, right?

31:46Well, I mean, there's some truth to the fact that the way you're perceiving reality right now is already different than the way I'm perceiving it. That's just factually true. But what if there was some sort of manipulation of reality? And that's how you get from point A to point B. That's how when someone describes seeing something, it was there, then it was just gone. It wasn't like it took off really fast it was there then it wasn't there or dipped in dipped out and i don't know if you want to talk about military intelligence or like one of the more scary weapon ideas in the world manipulating reality on some inception shit would be probably one of the most dangerous things out there yeah right um and it sounds impossible or science fiction and you know maybe it is currently to us right but how many millions of years is something else potentially more advanced than us where were we a million years ago i don't even know what what was a million years ago right it wasn't like this no we were hot and sweaty and yeah we had bad breath gathering yes yeah it was expectancy was super short right we lived till we were 12 yeah right Great.

33:02Payne Lindsey, this is such fascinating stuff. Listener, go just put in anywhere you get podcasts. Payne Lindsey, all of his shit is so good. Google that shit. The UFO stuff is fascinating. I don't listen to podcasts very often, but I always listen to Payne's because it's like a respite from all of the Trump fuckery, obviously. Payne, thank you so much for joining me. Thank you so much. I know. Okay. All right. Bye.