Mike Johnson Slammed with More Bad News at RNC, Trump Slams Erika Kirk?

10 Sep 2026 · 26 min · 7 chapters

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The episode argues that Republicans at the RNC avoid gun reform despite Charlie Kirk’s assassination, and instead weaponize his death. It claims the alleged Utah shooter had access to guns and that gun violence is “completely preventable,” while “pro-life” Republicans ignore it. It also criticizes Mike Johnson (“Grindr Johnson”) for religious hypocrisy, including monitoring his son’s porn use and defending pedophiles, and mocks RNC crowd-size claims as lies. The hosts allege authoritarian grifting by evangelical megachurches (tax avoidance, wealth, emotional/spiritual blackmail) and say Democrats must repeatedly call out Christian hypocrisy. Notable examples include clips of Erica Kirk at the RNC, Trump’s prayer moment, and commentary on empty seats vs past conventions.

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Gun Reform and Charlie Kirk's Legacy

0:00 to 0:10

Discussion on gun control, the legacy of Charlie Kirk, and hypocrisy in politics.

“That may include the bacteria that can cause meningococcal disease known as meningitis.”

Gun Reform and Charlie Kirk's Legacy

0:15 to 5:44

Discussion on gun control, the legacy of Charlie Kirk, and hypocrisy in politics.

“It's been one year since Charlie Kirk's assassination and not one Republican has spoken about something that could have prevented his death, and that is gun reform.”

The Rise of Authoritarianism and the Christian Problem

5:49 to 14:01

Examining the connection between authoritarianism, evangelical Christianity, and their impact on politics.

“We have industry titans who immediately went and propped him up.”

Empathy and Cult Mentality in Politics

14:01 to 15:50

Explore how the evangelical movement has influenced political behavior and attitudes.

“And now you have people within this movement that say empathy is toxic.”

Exploiting Religion for Votes

15:51 to 18:42

Discussing how religious beliefs are manipulated for political gain.

“And they're doing a lot of religious, they're doing all the talking snake, talking, you know, all the stuff.”

The Dangers of Religious Indoctrination

18:43 to 21:02

Examining the consequences of questioning religious beliefs and the indoctrination process.

“He's talking about Jesus, and he's talking about God.”

Toxic Relationships and Faith

21:03 to 24:10

Analyzing the parallels between abusive relationships and the demands of faith.

“But, but I do think that my friends that I knew, and you used to be one of these people when I would question, you know, when you would tell me that you thought that, uh, uh, people used to live to be 900 years old.”
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0:19Angie Sullivan:It's been one year since Charlie Kirk's assassination and not one Republican has spoken about something that could have prevented his death, and that is gun reform. gun control. Of course, none of them want to talk about that, but they want to propagandize and weaponize his shooting. And nobody that cares about him seems to want to talk about the problem that this little MAGA kid from Utah, the alleged shooter, had access to guns. And in America, you can just take that onto a campus and shoot somebody. It's absolutely horrific, completely preventable death. And as I say that, I also say at the same time that Charlie Kirk espoused racism, homophobia, was really on the worst side of the political spectrum, was not about inclusivity.

1:06Angie Sullivan:He was all about exclusivity and further marginalizing the marginalized. But of course, his grieving widow, Erica, is at the Republican convention. Let's play the clip. Thank you very much. And thank you, Erica. And I think Erica is going to be here tomorrow too. she's put up with something boy oh boy what she's had to go through and the most beautiful family it's just terrible but tough life tough life can't let it happen it just drips with empathy and sincerity destiny it's just like it reminds me of when when jd vant sat down with usha for the podcast hey how you doing yeah i know it's just they try to do these real human things and they're They're incapable of it.

1:54Angie Sullivan:Trump is very incapable of that. And I just think it is such an indictment on the Republican, quote, pro-life party that nobody speaks about gun violence. And that is at the core of what killed Charlie Kirk. And he died talking about it. It's just, it's stunning to me. I will remind you, though, that that group of people, they all oppose homosexuality and Grindr is having an outage right now. So the fact that they live in this world of hypocrisy and refuse to acknowledge truth doesn't surprise me anymore at all. All right. And Trump's convention had a J.D. Vance, Eric Kirk level turnout. Pop this up.

2:39Angie Sullivan:For those of you listening and not watching, this is a video from a journalist that was there. There are a lot of empty seats, a lot. And as satisfying as it is for us to see the empty seats, I want to remind you all of this. In the 2024 election, Trump's rallies, a lot of them had a lot of empty seats and Kamala's were full. So this means absolutely nothing. We cannot look at the polls and go, oh, this this poll has us up. This betting market has us up. These pundits have us up. you know cook political has moved this to here and nobody showed up the republican national convention we've got this we cannot think that way because they are going to lie cheat still from our other episode today they're offering five thousand dollars to americans if republicans win they're bribing um so don't look at too much in to crowd sizes of course it hurts trump but But he lives around people.

3:44Angie Sullivan:Natalie Harp will completely go, oh, that was a lie. That video was a lie. Here's a new video footage. And they'll show him video footage of a Rolling Stones concert. And he'll believe it because he wants to. You know, the thing about it is, every time I feel like we're moving towards the spell breaking, going back as, you know, the Epstein file, I mean, just in this administration alone, the Epstein files, the slush fund, the DOJ slush fund, American citizens dying. at the end of the day, while I know it causes narcissistic injury to Trump, and I am part of the problem. I like that because I know he can see it.

4:30But at the end of the day, the fact that this man with these bad policies and these lies and these scandals continues to have anybody at these conventions, after the damage he has done to the United States globally, at home, all the things, changing names of bodies of water to distract us from the Epstein files and war. To me, even the fact that we have part of the cult there goes to Josh's larger point in an earlier episode, that the problem is, it runs so deep. It runs so, so deep that these people are sacrificing food for medicine. They can't afford gas. And they will still support a man that lies to them because that makes them feel good about their cruelty and hatred for other people.

5:30It really is an indictment on the American citizen, I think. Teens share everything. That may include the bacteria that can cause meningococcal disease known as meningitis. Even if your teen's been vaccinated in the past, they could still be missing meningitis vaccinations. Ask your teen's doctor or visit meningitis.com today.

5:47Angie Sullivan:Sponsored by GSK. It is, and it's an indictment on all of the people that are propping up this autocrat. We have industry titans who immediately went and propped him up. There has been little resistance from the systems that are a part of the American body at large. We don't have corporations resisting. And Trump 1.0, we did. And he brags about that. Nobody would talk to me when I was first president. Now they're all kissing my ass. And so you have news channels from Fox News, which is straight up propaganda, to now CBS, which is straight up propaganda at the helm of Barry Weiss and the Ellisons.

6:27Angie Sullivan:And then you have, you know, they've bought TikTok. You have Elon Musk that controls X. You have Mark Zuckerberg that controls Instagram. The platform we're on right now, YouTube, Trump sucker uppers. And it's larger than just these people doing it because a permission structure in our entire culture has said, oh, we're all going along with this. They have okayed it. And that has been the difference in Trump 1.0 and Trump 2.0. When you see that Jimmy Kimmel and South Park and us and all of the other independent media on YouTube right now have more balls than the richest people that are in charge of the richest, most powerful companies in the world.

7:22Angie Sullivan:And they all went and sucked up to this guy. I mean, that just starts putting nails in the coffin. And authoritarian experts say this is this is the worst sign of all. When they all rushed to the inauguration for the historians, that was like, oh shit, because they are giving a permission structure. We're okay with this because we think he's so great with money. And so we're fine with this. The resistance has just always been the American people and Trump 2.0. I think one of the things as it relates to these corporations is Trump plays a different game too, to where everything is a quid pro quo.

7:59So he's telling Apple, he's telling these bigger companies, if you don't do this, then this is what I'm going to do. And unfortunately for those companies, it requires that you have balls, that you stand up, that you fight for something. Because he's not, you know, he operates differently. He doesn't just let you say no. He lets you say no with a consequence. And it's that part that these companies have capitulated to. It's the consequence part of them having to stand up and fight and potentially face adverse consequences to do the right thing. And that's disappointing when they have the resources to do the right thing.

8:34Now, back to the clip. I don't want us to have this false sense of hope because that stadium's not filled. How many times have we seen that? In 2024, Kamala Harris's convention, loud, cool hip hop music, packed. 2024 convention, it looked like that rad shit stuff. Same thing. And we all thought, oh boy, we got this. Well, no, you got to get out and vote and you got a message and you got to have good candidates too that resonate. Unfortunately for us, we put up polarizing candidates sometimes. Let's not do that this time. People go vote. Vote Democratic.

9:10Angie Sullivan:Okay. And then we have the weakest man that has the most power that I've ever seen in my life. And I'm talking about, of course, little Moses Mike on theme tonight, Grindr Johnson. This guy's Speaker of the House. This guy is, I believe, in a state of religious psychosis to cover up for deep, deep skeletons. And that's just my opinion. And he goes on TV last night, this big Christian man who talks about his faith nonstop, monitors his son's porn use, marries his own daughter at a purity ball to take her virginity to keep safe until he then gives it to her husband for him to take because this guy is that nutty.

9:53Angie Sullivan:He goes on TV last night to lie about the crowd size. Play the clip. Looks like a pretty good turnout for this event tonight. The president set to speak in just a little bit. Is that arena pretty much full? Yeah, it's it's full. I'm looking around. I think every seat all the way to the rafters is full. And there's a lot of people trying to wait to get inside. So this is the place to be. The first ever, as you noted, first ever midterm convention for the Republicans. I think we're going to put on a good show here. Yeah. You know what I love about this? So there's the guy that actually supposed to be one of the guardrails.

10:28Angie Sullivan:Here's a guy that if you look back to the Nixon scandal, Watergate, the Republicans are the ones that held the line. They are the ones that said, you're bringing our party down. You're bringing our country down. Resign or we're going to impeach your ass. Little grinder there. He is just like, what are my orders? What can I do for you today, sir? Because he is a submissive, obsequious ass kisser to his core that this is a symptom when we have authoritarian religions, authoritarian parents, and then authoritarian governments. And all of those three things are very connected. A lot of people say, how can Americans support this?

11:11Angie Sullivan:How can Americans support this? A lot of these evangelical people were raised with very authoritarian parents, iron, ruled with an iron fist, my way or the highway, you will never disrespect me, you cannot disagree with me. If you disagree with me, that's disrespect. So that that sets the psychological soil for these people to fall prey to authoritarian leaders, because it's comfortable for them, it's comfortable being submissive to insanity. It's something that's familiar to them. And this is how fucking crazy these people are. I'm going to play you all this next clip. And I have been whistleblowing on this forever.

11:54Angie Sullivan:America has a crazy Christian problem. It has an absolute crazy Christian problem. Look at Charlie Kirk's funeral. That was some batshit crazy stuff. And listen to Tim Scott here. We know who God is. We're talking about Jesus. I said the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords, the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. That's our God. That shit is just so crazy. And what troubles me so much about this is as a secular person that had to grow up around all these Bible thumpers in Oklahoma, This was fringe to Bible Belt states. This is a Republican convention on the global stage. And he's sitting there doing that megachurch pastor snake oil salesman grift.

12:50Angie Sullivan:And it fucking hits hard because nobody calls this out. These religious crooks that run and operate all of these megachurches have incubated this hatred and this grift. And they have primed the public not only for an authoritarian leader, but also an authoritarian grifter, because all of these megachurch pastors in these megachurches are for grifting. They don't pay taxes. There's no accountability. These megachurch pastors make billions, billions of dollars. And the congregation goes and shows up because they have been emotionally blackmailed and spiritually blackmailed and primed by the pastors to say, if you give us money, then wealth will trickle down.

13:40Angie Sullivan:This is why it dovetails so perfectly with Republican thinking. And the Democrats have to get serious about calling out this crazy Christian problem because the biggest determinant to find out if somebody votes is church attendance. And the Republicans know this. They own it. They injected themselves into this movement. And now you have people within this movement that say empathy is toxic. And so, and I'm sorry to go off on this, but this is something that is just so alarming to see it become mainstream because I have seen these crazy Christians my whole, my whole childhood, my whole adult life, and now they are governing us.

14:23Angie Sullivan:And this is a cult. This is a crazy Christian cult. I would just add, having grown up in evangelical Christian circles into adulthood, for example, my family, there were people that sat there and watched that and were like, praise Jesus. Like, this is the best thing we've ever seen. So they are willing to excuse the infidelity, the abuse of people. They kind of like it. They are willing to go along with all this because on top of everything that you said, which is 100 % true, and you've always said since I've known you 25 years, the cruelty and the racism is the point. You've always said that.

15:12But in addition to that, the way I grew up was not only you have to be a Republican, but if you're a Democrat, you're evil. God will not have favor for you. And it's just, it's such a mindfuck in these Bible Belt states, because the evangelical Christian movement is the majority of the population. I shouldn't say majority, is a large percentage of the population, and it's certainly a majority of the voting population. Well, and let's be fair here, too. There's not a lot of critical thinking that's going on at this convention. Is that fair to say? And I want to borrow this phrase that I used in the last episode, but there's this scene in True Detective where Matthew McConaughey looks over at Woody Harrel, and they're at some church getting ready to interview a witness on a crime that's occurred.

16:10And they're doing a lot of religious, they're doing all the talking snake, talking, you know, all the stuff. And Matthew McConaughey looks over at him and says, I think it's fair to say no one in here is going to be splitting the atom anytime soon. And so I barred that phrase earlier. But my point in that is that these leaders use religion to exploit people who are uneducated, who are ignorant. And that's the point. And I don't mean ignorant or uneducated in a derogatory way, but these people are not critical thinkers. And so they use religion knowing that they're going to exploit these people for money.

16:52or for their vote or for their belief in something. And that to me is the travesty. And so how do we connect with those people and let them know that? How do we connect with that?

17:03Angie Sullivan:I think the Democratic Party has got to start messaging. If these things work, then why are the Bible Belt states the bottom 10 states? Why are the states that are majority evangelical, Angie, which Oklahoma is majority evangelical? I don't know the stats on Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, if we go down. Why are they all bottom 10 states? Because all of this is a lie. And they are using something that people in rural Oklahoma have nothing other than their church as a means of socializing and a means of connection. And it's a really diabolical, manipulative thing that the Republican Party has done, has injected themselves into these spaces.

17:53Angie Sullivan:And perhaps it's just absolutely, I've known this, but hearing you say that, you know, being a Democrat is demonic and bad and evil and all of these things, that they are not scared. The Republicans are not scared of lying to religious people to curry their vote. And Democrats cannot be scared of criticizing the grift, the racket, the lies, the Christian signaling, the abject hypocrisy within this movement. Democrats need to call it out. It pisses me off that every day something, a day goes by and I don't hear a Democrat talking about repeating over and over and over again. Mike Johnson, the Speaker of the house is the biggest religious hypocrite on the planet.

18:43Angie Sullivan:He's talking about Jesus, and he's talking about God. But meanwhile, he he defends pedophiles, he wants to make sick people sicker, and go and they need to repeat it over and over and over and over and over again. And so we'll just do that here until the Democrats start doing that. And then of course, there's a moment of prayer held for Trump. at the convention. Too late. And I'm really sorry that we have to play this, but here it is. We pray for our president, Donald J. Trump, with thanksgiving in our hearts. Give him strength and wisdom and protection to continue leading our great nation. I've heard enough.

19:26Angie Sullivan:I want to know. I want that guy. I want that guy's Google search history, I want his Pornhub history. I want all of it because you know that guy that's standing there praying for Donald Trump. And I don't know his name, but I can tell you that that guy has a laundry list of skeletons that would make Matt Schlapp blush. That's what I think, Pops. You know, I see clips like this and we see a lot of this stuff back home too. And I think to myself, it astonishes me that I live close to with a lot of these people that think like this. And I'm so just so different than that. Like, I just it's hard for me to understand it.

20:20But here's one thing I do know growing up in a small rural town is that people that are religious, that live according to in their in their mind, according to the Bible and the teachings of Jesus Christ, they will die on that hill. They will ignore any set of facts. They will ignore truth if it means having to dishonor your religion in any way. Their belief system and their religion is supreme to anything else in their life. And if you attack that, they will look the other way. They will not abandon that belief system.

21:01Angie Sullivan:It's true. they won't because they have been taught that abandoning it or questioning it is sin and i think you can speak to this in the final thoughts but what do we have going on there is that your dog tilly she's mad at you she wants to come in here sorry i thought you might be ripping one there is that a demon was that a demon it sounded like a demon coming to get you for all it's coming now. Okay. But, but I do think that my friends that I knew, and you used to be one of these people when I would question, you know, when you would tell me that you thought that, uh, uh, people used to live to be 900 years old.

21:42Angie Sullivan:And I would question that you immediately dismissed it and even like kind of shamed me for questioning it. And, and you learned that like, Oh, I can't, you can't question that. That's just the way it is. The Bible says it. That's absolute. that even questioning the faith, that's a whole part of the manipulation of it. And it goes to the point that indoctrination, not only with the crazy shit, like the beliefs and all that, but if you don't have faith, you have to have faith and questioning what's being done and questioning the facts in the Bible and questioning your preacher. That means you're not having faith.

22:24And that's a sin. So God will judge you if your faith is not strong enough. So it's a twofold master fuckover. If you question, then you don't have faith. And if you don't have faith, you're going to hell. Imagine if you had a friend or a boyfriend, like what you just pictured, the relationship with God.

22:47Angie Sullivan:If you question him and you don't have faith in him, then he's going to punish you eternally. Imagine if it was a boyfriend, a husband or a friend, and you went to a therapist and you said, so I have this boyfriend. And I keep asking him questions like, you know, why do you have Grindr on your phone? And he said, you cannot question me. You have to have faith in me. If you don't have faith in me, I'm going to put you in a fire pit. The therapist would say, you need to call 911. You are in an unsafe, dangerous space. it's so it's just it's crazy that that for me as a person who was never indoctrinated that more people have not caught on to what what a toxic situation that is that's just my opinion like in no other planet could you be in some relationship where somebody's threatening you with eternal damnation all the time and micromanaging every single thought you have I mean, it's just, God, it's so abusive.

23:43Angie Sullivan:It's just wild. Thank God you got out of that, Poms. I mean, that's just a fucking miserable, miserable way to live. A lot of this stuff, though, is indoctrinated in kids, like when you're young. For birth, I think it's child abuse. It is, but I mean, I think Poms would say that was part of her story, too. I don't want to speak for you, Poms. Oh, 100%. Absolutely correct. You see, and I grew up in a small town, and when you grow up like that, you're looking for goodness. Like there's not a lot of activities to occupy your time in rural Oklahoma. And so you're looking for goodness and you get stuck up in this thing that the church represents goodness.

24:17And so it's a long, complicated story.

24:22Angie Sullivan:All right. That's all we have. Please like, subscribe, comment, and we will be back later with more news.

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