In short
The episode claims Donald Trump fired Attorney General Pam Bondi after a White House “meltdown,” allegedly telling her shortly before his Iran speech that she would soon be dismissed. Hosts argue Trump’s “final straw” was Bondi tipping off Rep. Eric Swalwell about FBI efforts to release investigative documents tied to Christine Fang, and they speculate Trump wanted Bondi to indict Swalwell. They also claim Bondi mishandled the Epstein files: Bondi allegedly refused to release them, despite earlier statements that she was reviewing them, and the Wall Street Journal is cited saying Trump was told his name appeared in the files. Notable examples include Bondi’s February oversight hearing rant about the Dow while child-rape victims sat behind her, and a later clip where she discusses Epstein-related file reviews.
Guests
none named; the transcript is a two-host discussion with references to Amy Siskind (Democracy Now) and Adam Cochran (reporting), plus Caitlin Collins (tweet/update).
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOPam Bondi's Dismissal from Trump Administration
0:45 to 2:45
Discussion about Trump firing Pam Bondi and the context surrounding it.
“Trump told Pam Bondi shortly before his Iran speech on Wednesday night that she would soon be fired.”
Critique of Pam Bondi's Legacy
2:45 to 5:05
A critical examination of Pam Bondi's actions and character during her career.
“I love it when bad things happen to bad people.”
The Environment of Trump's Administration
5:05 to 7:48
Exploration of the toxic work environment and relationships within Trump's cabinet.
“And she personally would treat child rape victims as though they are subhuman.”
Gender Dynamics in Trump's Cabinet
7:48 to 9:35
Discussion on the dismissals of female cabinet members and the implications on gender roles.
“And I appreciate her earnestness in asking that question, but we know the reason why they're not being fired.”
Trump's Public Statements on Pam Bondi
9:35 to 11:10
Analysis of Trump's public messages regarding Pam Bondi's performance and future.
“Pam did a tremendous job overseeing a massive crackdown in crime across our country with murders.”
Pam Bondi's Oversight Hearing and Legacy
11:10 to 14:03
Discussion on Bondi's oversight hearing and her responsibilities towards Epstein survivors.
“And I hope that she ages in jail terribly, but I want it in jail.”
Discussion on Dow and Narcissism
14:03 to 14:24
The hosts discuss the implications of statements made about the Dow and narcissism in politics.
“The narcissism involved in that statement is also something that bothers me, but we have so many things to get to moving along.”
Victims of Epstein and Accountability
14:24 to 16:41
A focus on the survivors of child rape related to Jeffrey Epstein and the accountability of those in power.
“To the survivors in the room, if you are willing, please stand.”
Intentional Humiliation in Politics
16:41 to 17:26
Discussion on how political figures orchestrate public humiliation of victims to show allegiance.
“And this is a level of religious and MAGA psychosis that I don't know.”
Bondi's Actions and White House Influence
17:26 to 18:11
Analysis of Pam Bondi's actions following Epstein's case and her interactions with Trump.
“This is intentional humiliation rituals and intentional cruelty by authoritarian regimes.”
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The Cover-Up of Epstein Files
18:11 to 21:24
Exploration of how political figures are implicated in the Epstein scandal and the subsequent cover-up.
“Six days later, she crashes a White House event and gives right wing influencers the Epstein files.”
Trump's Denial and Accountability
21:24 to 24:44
Discussion on Trump's denial regarding his connections to Epstein and the implications of his lies.
“I really feel like I could commit this crime better.”
Critique of Supporters and Moral Responsibility
24:44 to 25:59
A critique of those who support Trump's regime and the moral implications of their choices.
“The whining, the complaining of these MAGA men is a feature.”
Impulsiveness of Trump's Leadership
25:59 to 28:00
An examination of Trump's impulsive decision-making and its impact on governance.
“And on top of everything, these people are dumb.”
Impressions of Leadership
28:00 to 28:31
Discussing the impulsive and chaotic nature of current leadership.
“And you hear that over and over and over again.”
Public Perception and Approval Ratings
28:31 to 29:01
Analyzing the troubling approval ratings of the current leader.
Live Interaction and Future Discussions
29:01 to 29:38
Engaging with the audience about future topics and potential live sessions.
“But I mean, like, how is that not single digits?”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:11Trump fired Kristi Noem. It turns out her husband, Big Titty Brian, is in very compromising positions. Now he has fired Pam Bondi. Pop up this headline. Daily Mail keeps giving us banger after banger after banger. I never saw it coming. Pam Bondi begged Trump not to fire her during dramatic White House showdown as Insider reveals his final straw. And put up the second slide, or this is the final straw from the article. Philip Mieto posts, and this is from the Daily Mail article. Trump told Pam Bondi shortly before his Iran speech on Wednesday night that she would soon be fired. Trump's reasoning for the sudden dismissal comes in part because the president believes Bondi tipped off Congressman Eric Swalwell about the FBI's efforts to release investigative documents related to his relationship with Christine Fang.
1:11So a couple of things I just want to point out here. Trump wanted Pam Bondi to indict Swalwell. I think it was like three or four months ago. Do you remember that, Pumps? Yes. And now Crazy Eye FBI podcaster Cash Patel, he wants to resurrect this whole discredited thing about Eric Swalwell, because when Trump has an enemy, somebody that he doesn't like, he's just laser focused on taking them down, pumps. Okay, here's the thing. What cracks me up is I was watching Fox News coverage and they were like alluding to the handling of the Epstein files. So I just want to make everything this very clear off the top so nobody's surprised.
1:55The Epstein files are not going to be released under Donald Trump because the Epstein files incriminate Donald Trump, in my opinion. Why would we be fighting so hard? He can appoint 1 ,000 FBI direct or attorney generals. These will not be released because the person they're protecting is Trump. So any indication that he wants the Epstein files released and she won't do it is I'm laughing my fat ass off because that couldn't be further from the truth. And here's the deal. Pam Bondi is the worst. She sold her soul to the devil and she lost. And I, for one, am delighted. I am so happy for her that she gets to bury her head in shame in Florida where she has given up her soul.
2:44And now she's been humiliated by Trump. I love it when bad things happen to bad people. I agree. And if that makes me a bad person, I'll take it. Guilty as charged. Yeah. I did read, and I just have to share this with you all when we were prepping for this live. Somebody wrote, I wonder if Pam Bondi's husband's tits are bigger than Big Titty Brian. So, I mean, you guys, here's the thing. These people are so horrible. They're such losers. Trump himself said, I like to surround myself with losers. So he feels like the big swinging dick, right? Pam Bondi is a sociopath, psychopath of the highest order.
3:24The way she treated victims of child rape and the disdain and the indignant sociopathic manner that she treated them is the way she will be remembered forever. The autopsy on Pam Bondi is she did not care about child rape. She wears a Christian cross. She Christian signals. She covers up for a pedophile and pedophile rings. And that will be her obituary in the history books. She will always be remembered as the woman who didn't stand up for little girls that were raped by sick, rich men. And so I appreciate that Fox News is bringing up the Epstein files again, because even no matter how they're bringing them up, I think this has to do more with Pam Bondi's inability to get federal judges to break the law and charge James Comey, Letitia James.
4:18I think that's what a lot of this is. But listen to this, Pumps. It is just everybody's on the chopping block. And now, pop this up, Kylie, Trump is considering firing Tulsi Gabbard. And Adam Cochran reports in the past 24 hours, we've learned Trump is talking about firing three different people in the DOJ and now the DNI. So either, number one, they are refusing to do something very illegal, which for them is a far out line. or there is a major intelligence scandal happening and Trump is going to throw people under the bus. And this is really interesting. Why all of a sudden is he firing all of these people?
5:00He started a war to distract from the aforementioned child rape that Pam Bondi herself saw to it that she personally would cover up. And she personally would treat child rape victims as though they are subhuman. Pam Bondi did that. Pam Bondi owns that with her Christian cross. So we have all of these things going on. We have thrown Christine Em under the bus. We know that her husband probably put national security at risk, parading around with his big tits, big titty Brian. And now Pam Bondi's on the chopping block. So what do you think is happening here? I mean, I called it several months ago.
5:37I said all this kumbaya, circle jerk cabinet meetings. These people hate each other. This is a toxic work environment imaginable. I am somewhat surprised he kept employees for this long. But considering he hired such bottom feeding losers, those are his words, losers. That's what he calls his cabinet. I like hanging out with losers. It doesn't surprise me that they stuck around so long. But now this is the Trump we know. It's going to be chop block city, baby. Pumps, what do you think about Adam Cochran's analysis? What do you think is going on here? I would just be hard pressed to believe that there's anything illegal these people won't do.
6:14I mean, truly. Now, I do know that his$10 billion, Trump's$10 billion lawsuit against the IRS is causing consternation in the DOJ for obvious reasons. I don't know what side she fell on that. She went to the Supreme Court with him. He was humiliated. Wait, hold up. Pam Bondi went with him yesterday? Yes! Yes! Oh, that's even more delicious. delicious so she wrote in the beast and she went over and sat on the bench with the red cushion and then he fucking shit canned her yeah oh that's half my veins baby that shit's delicious yeah and did you know i read an article just yesterday about how much money each individual cabinet member had given his pack which is going directly into his pocket 10 million from pam pammy baby Yep.
7:04She's given him$10 million, went to the Supreme Court. You know what? I bet just that Supreme Court, when the justices were just ridiculing his solicitor general in there, I bet he, you know, he probably fucking hates all of these people that he has to work around. And I bet he just couldn't fucking stand it. So he's like, Pam, you're out. But this is an interesting twist on this. Kylie, pop up the next analysis here. Amy Siskind of Democracy Now says, trust me, I am no fan of Noam, Gabbard, or Bondi, but I do find it notable that of the cabinet members Trump has fired or is reportedly considering firing, all three are women.
7:42How about Hegseth, Kennedy Jr.? Can't even find a CDC worker to match his own craziness. Patel is a laughingstock and so on. Why aren't they being fired? And I appreciate her earnestness in asking that question, but we know the reason why they're not being fired. And it's because Trump shines in homosocial relationships. This whole sect of MAGA, it is bro on bro on bro on bro. There's a whole homosocial aspect to this. And women are on the chopping block, as we know from Project 2025. So these women, Gabbard, Bondi, Noem, to think that somehow they are the special women when And Russ Vought, who Susie Wiles calls, you know, a crazy right wing Christian, doesn't want them around.
8:32I mean, it's a no-brainer. He's going to replace all of them with men so that this can just be bro homosocial situation. And it's just interesting that these men are so intimidated by women. They only want to be environments where they're solely around men. And the women at the table, listen, they're all losers. These women are losers, too. The women were the first on the chopping block. And you know what? Here's the thing. If you're a woman and you're going to go work for a man who wants to dismantle women's rights, I can't help you that you're stupid that you didn't figure out that was going to happen to you.
9:10Right. I mean, Trump uses people. He particularly uses women. I can't wait for what her new appointment's going to be because she's staying inside the administration. So is she going to be like... Hang on. I think Kylie's got some breaking news here, Kylie. We've got a truth social update from Trump. Just for one. Okay. Pam Bondi is a great American patriot and loyal friend who faithfully served as my attorney general over the past year. Pam did a tremendous job overseeing a massive crackdown in crime across our country with murders. Murders is capitalized. I don't know what's going on there. Plummeting to their lowest level since 1900.
9:49We love Pam. and she will be transitioning to a much needed important new job in the private sector to be announced at a date in the near future and our deputy attorney general and a very talented and respected legal mind legal mind is capitalized todd blanche will step in to serve as acting attorney general thank you for your attention to this matter president donald j trump or listen up dipshit we know it's you you do not have to sign your fucking tweets it says real donald trump up we fucking know it's you quit signing your fucking tweets he's a nut so she's not gonna i on fox news again i watched what are you doing watching fox so we don't have to not all heroes wear capes pumps that's right and so they were going to say she was transitioning so i was wondering it was going to be like special deputy director of the special avengers movement but the first thing i did when i saw this was i looked to does she still have to testify before the oversight committee on April 14th regarding the Epstein files?
10:54And the answer is yes, she still does. Now she may have more ability to stonewall now that she's no longer in that position, but she still is under subpoena. And do I think she's going to do it? No. Do I think she's going to say anything? No. But bitch is on her own. And here's the thing. If I'm Bondi, who Pam we love Pam we love her I would say here's the fucking deal April 14th if by midnight April 13th rolls around and I don't have a sign sealed delivered pardon from your ass I'm fucking going scorched earth I'm going to tell everything I know and peace out that's what I would do I would say I want my pardon in my hand because this woman has committed so many fucking crimes.
11:41And I hope that she ages in jail terribly, but I want it in jail. So let's take a little trip down memory lane of some of more Pam Bondi's more egregious moments, more recently in an oversight hearing in February. Kylie, play the video. Dow, the Dow right now is over. The Dow is over$50 ,000. I don't know why you're laughing. You're a great stock trader as i hear raskin the dow is over 50 000 right now the s &p at almost 7 000 okay and then this is like this is straight jacket padded cell shit i mean this is just fucking insane there are victims of child rape sitting behind her and she is screaming like a raving lunatic about the Dow.
12:38It's just, it perfectly encapsulates the collision of capitalism plus evangelical Christianity plus white supremacy that reigns in MAGA. They value money over they do human beings. And to all of the white women that go and triple Trump and vote, and you have little daughters that you love, you love more than anything on the planet, You put little bows in their hair and you let them try out for cheerleader and you, you know, go to drop them off at school and you go to yoga and you're the first motherfucker in carpool line. I want to tell you, this group of people, even these women, if something happens to your daughter and she's raped, number one, they're going to take the rapist side.
13:23And number two, your daughter's going to have that rapist baby. baby. So you remember that every time you go vote for these Republicans, because that will happen to your daughter. Trump doesn't care about women. The women that support Trump don't care about women. And they sure as fuck don't care about kids. And I've had it with them masquerading, oh, we care so much about family and kids. Shut the fuck up. I mean, I'm serious. Look at that. She's a raving lunatic sitting there bitching. I mean, bragging about the Dow. She has fucking nothing to do with it. Nothing. She did Pam Bondi, whether you were the attorney general or not, the Dow was still going to be what the Dow was that day.
14:04The narcissism involved in that statement is also something that bothers me, but we have so many things to get to moving along. Um, this is how she, she refuses. She refuses to look at or acknowledge these victims of child rape. These Epstein survivors. Pop this up, Kylie. To the survivors in the room, if you are willing, please stand.
14:33And if you are willing, please raise your hands if you have still not been able to meet with this Department of Justice. Please know for the record that every single survivor has raised their hand. Attorney General Bondi, you apologize to the survivors in your opening statement for what they went through at the hands of Jeffrey Epstein. Will you turn to them now and apologize for what your Department of Justice has put them through with the absolutely unacceptable release of the Epstein files and their information.
15:25Congresswoman, you set before Merrick Garland set in this chair twice. Attorney General Bondi, I'm going to finish my answer. No, I'm going to reclaim my time because I asked you. Okay, I'm just going to say it. This woman is, she is just a fucking cunt. I mean, there's no other word for that. That this child sex ring raped and took away from so many young girls that were preyed upon because they were poor girls. And you ascend in your career and in your life to be in a position to right wrongs. That's why people get into justice or my husband's an attorney because he likes to right wrongs and he believes in helping the marginalized.
16:12And she gets in that position to protect rapists. I mean, that's just it's really like that's going to be her obituary. That that's what she will forever be remembered by the same way that Elon Musk will forever be remembered as the richest man in the world that killed the poorest people in the world. and history is going to live and the books will write about this for, you know, forever. And this will, there's nothing she's ever going to be able to do to fix this. And this is a level of religious and MAGA psychosis that I don't know. I agree with you, but she should ask for a pardon, you know, if you're crazy.
16:49These people are so unhinged and so insane, who knows what she's going to do. And I don't think these people even think they're doing anything wrong, quite frankly. you know, I, I can't super dispute that because the way they act, it makes you think they have no ability to distinguish truth versus fiction, but I just can't help but think that she is sitting there and she knows they're standing up behind her and she can't look at them that I'm hopeful that she did that hurt her. Um, I don't, I don't know if it, I think it was an, And it was intentional. This is intentional humiliation rituals and intentional cruelty by authoritarian regimes.
17:32And scholars have told us this. He he's looking for loyalty, the the strongman Trump. And she humiliated these victims that are embarrassing Trump. And she had to show her loyalty to him at all costs in that hearing. That's why she's ranting like a lunatic and raving about the Dow. And that was a humiliation ritual to humiliate these girls that Trump perceives as not being loyal to him. And this is a play that these people do. It is the display of the moral collapse of society. And so you see that on display. And then let's move along here. Six days later, she crashes a White House event and gives right wing influencers the Epstein files.
18:21I'm sorry. No, no, no. Let me back up here, you guys. I jumped ahead of myself. Yeah. Okay. So let's go now to, sorry, Ryan, what is it?
18:34Oh, okay. Here she is. Oh, yes. Okay. Here she is. Let's look at how she has treated these survivors and her ever-changing narrative. Play the clip. So Jay may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients. Will that really happen? It's sitting on my desk right now to review. That's been a directive by President Trump. I'm reviewing that. I'm reviewing JFK files, MLK files. That's all in the process of being reviewed because that was done at the directive of the president from all of these agencies. So have you seen anything that you said, oh, my gosh? Not yet. Okay. Okay. So, you know, they all come in guns blazing.
19:15We're going to get to the bottom of the Epstein stuff, yak, yak, blah, blah. And so then they, next up, they give all of these influencers these notebooks. There we go. Right. And so it's like libs of TikTok and all, you know, all of these just ridiculous, horrible people. And then, then they all start realizing that inside the Death Star, inside the Epstein files is Trump. The person that they have completely debased themselves for. This man that wears a full face of makeup, this man that has broken the country, packed his toys up when Joe Biden beat his ass in the 2020 election and cited an insurrection.
20:03And then they all start the cover up. And this cover up is, I think that one of the biggest political cover ups on the globe. It makes Watergate look quaint, pumps. Here's the thing about Bondi. She absolutely. OK, here's the thing. If you've even paid a marginal bit of attention to Ghislaine Maxwell's trial where she was convicted, you knew based on public records in the trial that Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein were close. They had a relationship. He was on the plane. All of these different things were part of the evidence. So for Pam Bondi, it is a fool's errand and it is straight up arrogance that she never went to him and said, I cannot get on Fox News and say we're releasing all this.
20:54Let's design a cover story because we're not going to be able to release all this. Like we need to be competent in our corruption cover up and our conspiracy. We need to do better at criming. And so that's what I find to be what fascinates me the most. There is 100 % zero doubt he was going to be in those files to anybody that was paying attention, which I would assume would be her. And so why didn't she do the cover up better? I kind of feel like. Because they're stupid. I really feel like I could commit this crime better. Well, because you're a lot more intelligent than Pam Bondi is. I mean, to have the I mean, these people voted for Trump three times.
21:35This is you saw her performance in front of Congress. I mean, to have an expectation that these people, number one, are going to be competent either at governing or number to be competent in criming is a fool's errand on your part, my dear, because they're not competent. These are incompetent people. They're not going to be good at governing in a good way or criming in a bad way. But let's remember that the Wall Street Journal then reported the following. Pop this up. The Wall Street Journal in May, Bondi and her deputy informed the president at a meeting in the White House that his name was in the Epstein files.
22:12The official said many other high profile figures were also named. Trump was told being mentioned in the records isn't a sign of wrongdoing. So here's the thing, like the fact that Trump sits there and plays coy the whole time, I think he has such a path, such a psychopathy that he he's one of these people that believes his lies. Like he's known the Epstein files were out there. He knows that he was on the island. He knows that he was on the plane. He knows that he and Jeffrey, that he would send girls from Mar-a-Lago over to Jeffrey's house and all this stuff. He knows all of it. But I think he just starts believing his own lies.
22:51And then finally, here is a video of Trump lying about all of this. Play the clip. Honestly, the Attorney General briefed you on the DOJ and FBI review, the findings of that review. The Attorney General briefed you on that. On what? On the DOJ and FBI review? On what? On what subject? EPCA, on EPCA, the review of the files, Attorney General Campani. A very, very quick briefing. Did she tell you, what did she tell you about the review? And specifically, did she tell you at all that your name appeared in the file? No, no, she's, she's given us just a very quick briefing. And in terms of the credibility of the different things that they've seen.
23:32And I would say that, you know, these files were made up by Comey. They were made up by Obama. They were made up by Biden. And, you know, we and we went through years of that with the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax, with all of the different things that we had to go through. We've gone through years of it, but she's handled it very well. And it's going to be up to her. Whatever she thinks is credible, she should release. Jen, I've got an update from Caitlin Collins. OK, all right. Play it. She's tweeting about the oversight committee that Angie was. Oh, yeah. Inferring about. Okay. Robert Garcia says he still expects Pam Bondi to testify in accordance with her deposition.
24:16It is supposed to happen in two weeks and played part of a role in the timing of her ouster because the White House wanted to avoid it. And this is so typical of a short term impulsive play by Trump. But let's just go back to this video where he is sitting there blaming James Comey and Obama for the fact that his ass is cankles deep in the Epstein files. This is a man. Did you hear him? The whining, the complaining of these MAGA men is a feature. These guys are titty babies. These guys cannot handle accountability. and the women who support these men are fucking diabolical. Pam Bondi saw these files and heard from women who when they were children were raped by rich men and Pam Bondi didn't give a fuck.
25:17And to all of the women, these white women that helped Trump get elected that go and vote for this type of society in this type of world. Just know you crazy cunts, that some of us are working hard to try to make a safe place for your daughters, despite you, despite your wanting to sabotage a place for your daughter's safety. Some of us are working hard. And I just at this point, Angie, there is just zero excuse in my mind. It is it is morally disqualifying on every front for anybody that supports this regime. It is just it is a sex cult. It is a death cult. It is a compulsive lying cult. And on top of everything, these people are dumb.
26:07I mean, these people are just stupid, stupid. Well, if we fire Pam, she won't have to appear in front of the Congress. You're the fucking federal government. You should know the rules. But he appointed people that don't know the rules because he doesn't know the rules. These should be the fucking experts. Yeah. No. I mean, just to kind of casually pull it all together with this war in Iran. Well, nobody briefing on this trade. How do you say it? Hormuz? Hormuz. There you got it, Pams. This has been briefed. I've known this about how this would affect oil, not maybe the name, but since I was eight years old.
26:46So if you don't - I mean, I heard in church, bitch. You learned about the oil in church? Yes. In Iraq, in Iran, and the rapture, and all that, and watch the enemy, and the oil. I remember sitting in a pew in church hearing about all this. So this is Washington. Like apocalyptic. Yeah. Very apocalyptic. This is what's going to happen. And so but when you don't surround yourself with experts and you get somebody who's the biggest, here's the deal. You know, she tried. She tried to get Comey indicted multiple times. She tried to get Tish James indicted multiple times. Like she's going after his enemy.
27:26Unfortunately, the law is the law. And so her failure, like you said, is she can't get other people like judges. I mean, Supreme Court judges, I think they're fine with corruption. but that she can't break them to his, his will will, which really at the end of the day, he's the problem as we all know. And do you think I've been dying to ask you this, is this like this speech last night was so bad. Like everybody across the board has just been banging the shit out of number one, he's completely incompetent. He can't talk and he has no fucking clue what he's doing. And you hear that over and over and over again.
28:04Is this a mini distraction from that particular speech last night? Or is it just, you know, I mean, for me to think that this guy is actually playing any sort of orderly game. I mean, this is a guy who doesn't understand the difference between an insane asylum and those seeking asylum. And he consistently, no matter how many times it's pointed out, he can't get past that. I think this is a guy that free balls it every day. He gets up. He has his McDonald's in bed. you know he calls calls some people who are like you're so great you have a big dick makeup looks great today and then he moves on and he's like you know fuck Pam you know I'm sick of her shit and then it's just like let's fire Pam and then you know I just I don't know that this is a person that that thinks as much as he is impulsive and I just think he just he free balls and and sadly like we're all at his mercy right now like you know we're living in this country with him and And then these MAGA people, and I think his approval is at 31 % and it's dropping.
29:05But I mean, like, how is that not single digits? Like 30, 30 for three of 10 people. Like if you lined up 10 people, three are going to go, yeah, I think he's really smart. I think he's nailing it. I think he's doing a great job. Three out of 10 people. Like that's really, that's too high for me personally to feel safe. The art of the deal, the 4D chess. I mean, come on, come on. All right. this is all we have for today for this live. And this is fun. It's always fun to do a live. I guess Tulsi Gabbard's next. And if that happens, we'll go live again. Unless, of course, it's past our bedtime. And we'll see you guys soon.
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