In short
The episode argues that politics and pop culture are inseparable, using recent New York events to contrast “multicultural democracy” with MAGA power. It claims Trump is a messy, disrespectful “train wreck” (citing Maggie Haberman/Jonathan Swan’s book about Trump leaving trash in the White House) and that Republican elites and the Supreme Court serve oligarchs. It alleges Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg and Amazon founder Jeff Bezos tried to ingratiate themselves to Trump after the 2024 election, then mocked him privately. It also frames Knicks owner James Dolan as a “nepo baby” who invited Trump to a Knicks game, canceled celebrations, and later behaved coldly at a City Hall stage event honoring Zoran Mamdani.
Notable examples
Knicks championship street celebration with John Stewart; Mamdani’s merit-based campaign; Dolan’s “no applause/boos” moment; Obama Library opening with celebrities (John Legend, Bruce Springsteen, Christina Aguilera, Stevie Wonder, Marc Anthony) and Michelle Obama’s speech.
Guests
none named as interview guests; the episode features host discussion only.
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Chapters
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0:01 to 0:20
Discussion about Trump's untidy habits and their implications on public perception.
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Trump's Messy Habits
0:36 to 2:20
Discussion about Trump's untidy habits and their implications on public perception.
“A nighttime snacker, the president would frequently leave an array of empty potato chip bags, Starbucks wrappers and ice cream cartons in the trash or on the floor.”
Double Standards in Media Coverage
2:21 to 3:18
Exploring racial double standards in media coverage of public figures' behavior.
“That's just so disrespectful in my opinion.”
Oligarchs and Political Dynamics
3:19 to 4:36
Analyzing the relationship between wealthy individuals and their influence on politics.
“Imagine that all of the people, the Washington Post, he believes in getting Donald Trump's support so much.”
Cultural Events and Political Commentary
4:37 to 6:28
Discussing the intersection of cultural events and political implications in New York.
“Because it is, in Trump's defense and ridiculing them, it is ridicule worthy.”
James Dolan's Disrespectful Behavior
6:29 to 12:19
Critique of James Dolan's behavior during the Knicks victory celebrations and its significance.
“over the past week, I think are incredibly important.”
Billionaires and Their Reality
12:20 to 14:00
Examining the mindset and fears of wealthy individuals in response to societal changes.
“And that because he wasn't meddling, they got better.”
Juxtaposing Major Events
14:00 to 15:10
Discussion of the Knicks parade and Obama library opening as cultural events.
“So I want to juxtapose this with you all.”
Racism and Transphobia in Politics
15:10 to 18:50
Examining the racism and transphobia directed at Michelle Obama and the broader implications.
“Remember a few nights ago, the UFC fight right on the white house lawn, the desecration of the white house lawn.”
Celebration of Multiculturalism
18:50 to 21:08
Contrasting the celebration of multiculturalism at the Obama library with the negativity of the Trump era.
“Prior to that, he's the one who started all the racist birtherism on Obama.”
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Reimagining America’s Future
21:08 to 23:22
Discussing the need to reimagine ownership in sports and the implications for society.
“Once we get past this, we need to completely reimagine America.”
The Dangers of Billionaires
23:22 to 24:48
Critique of billionaire culture and its impact on society and democracy.
“several times watching that because I was like, this is what it's supposed to be.”
Transcript
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0:35Angie Sullivan:all right the book about trump maggie haberman swan has come out and you guys i predicted like a year and a half ago i go you know he's all fluffed up in bed you know he's throwing wrappers all over the room leaving it a goddamn mess for the white house housekeepers to come clean up And I'll be damned to pop this up. A nighttime snacker, the president would frequently leave an array of empty potato chip bags, Starbucks wrappers and ice cream cartons in the trash or on the floor. the authors wrote. The staff had to begin monitoring the trash after it was discovered. He was sometimes throwing out White House sterling silver utensils.
1:23Angie Sullivan:And so this guy is such a train wreck. He is like literally the every worst stereotype of an American, the fast food, messy, loud, thinks they're better than everybody thinks they're right. He is it. He is all of our worst impulses in this cartoon character that is now put on the national stage. And those of us that are kind of aware of American arrogance that try to mitigate that, here he is just throwing his shit all around the White House. I'm so mad at you because when I was reading this article, you have been saying forever about him eating in bed and what must his sheets look like. And so I got this vision of his nasty, greasy sheets.
2:10And then I thought, well, obviously based on his diet, I can see why the White House doctor said his cholesterol is spectacular and his health is excellent. But I mean, what a pig that people have to go around you and pick up your trash off the floor. That's just so disrespectful in my opinion.
2:30Angie Sullivan:Imagine the racism if it was reported that Michelle and Barack Obama threw trash on the floor for people to pick up. Fox News would do breaking news. It would be like breaking news chyrons. Obama's throwing trash on the floor, expects White House staff. He doesn't have the decency. They'd go bananas. Okay. Here's the most, one of the more important components of what we're dealing with. We know that Republican Congress and Republican senators have no courage, no balls, don't believe in anything and are pathological liars. They have proven that with their support for Trump. We know that the Supreme Court is 100 % in the tank for oligarchs.
3:12And these oligarchs bend the knee to Trump.
3:16Angie Sullivan:And bending the need to Trump is just the kiss of death because pop this up. The book reveals Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg and Amazon founder Jeff Bezos sought to ingratiate themselves to Trump after the 2024 election, who in return mocked them behind their backs per the new book by Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan, and it goes on to say that Jeff Bezos bashes the Washington Post. Imagine that all of the people, the Washington Post, he believes in getting Donald Trump's support so much. Why? Because he wants these blue, his blue rocket thing, blue origin. He wanted that contract and Trump ended up giving it to Elon Musk.
4:04Angie Sullivan:But all of these guys who we give all of our money to, Zuckerberg, Bezos, they don't care about their customer base. It's just not enough money for them. It's just not enough. It's not enough money. It's not enough power. These men have no decency, no integrity to say, you know what? I'm rich as shit. I've got a bank account that could choke a bull. I'm not going to go kiss ass to this guy, this guy that wants to dismantle democracy that incited an insurrection. I'm not going to do that. They race to him. And then what happens when they do it, he completely dicks them over and makes fun of them behind their backs.
4:41Angie Sullivan:Because it is, in Trump's defense and ridiculing them, it is ridicule worthy. It is ridicule worthy that somebody who has won at capitalism would bend the knee and kiss Donald Trump's ass. Well, I don't think there's anything Trump loves more than holding power over people that are richer than he is, because he is so obsessed with money. But what I went to when I saw this, I was like, here's Mark Zuckerberg saying that he felt so neutered. And then what does he do with all this freedom? He goes and bends over for Donald Trump. So you weren't neutered before, but now you're neutered? Shut the fuck up, you piece of shit pussy.
5:25Angie Sullivan:Cry baby. I mean, saying that like having to own a company during Biden's administration, which Biden had one of the most diverse White House staff's cabinet administration in the history of the country. And then he goes and does this. It's such a such a such a good point. All right. I want to move along to something that I think is really incredibly important. Obviously, politics and pop culture are completely fused now. everything is pretty much political because we have a fascist regime that is attacking women, attacking gay people, attacking black people, attacking immigrants, attacking minorities, attacking freedom, free expression, free speech, everything, every little component of our culture is under attack.
6:16Angie Sullivan:So anybody who looks at you and says, oh, I don't want to talk about politics, or I don't dive into that. They're just privileged and they have the luxury of not having to care about it. A lot of us don't have that luxury. And four events have taken place over the past week, I think are incredibly important. Number one, the New York Knicks won the championship and New Yorkers spontaneously came out into the street, all walks of life, rich, poor, white, black, brown, American, not American, all celebrated together. Pure joy. John Stewart was at a watch party in the street. Big celebrity, very successful guy, was in the street watching the game.
6:59Angie Sullivan:The reason why this is political is because James Dolan, the owner of the New York Knicks, invited Donald Trump to game three. Nobody wanted him there. He canceled the celebrations around Madison Square Garden and the Knicks lost. and all over New Yorkers fuck Donald Trump, blah, blah. And James Dolan inherited the New York Knicks. He inherited Madison Square Garden. Madison Square Garden pays zero, zero dollars in property taxes. He's paranoid party of one. He has facial identification as you walk into Madison Square Garden. If you've ever heard his feelings, your face is programmed in it. If you've ever sued him I work for a law firm that soon he kicks you out.
7:47Angie Sullivan:And so here he is with Trump at the Knicks game.
7:57All right.
7:58Angie Sullivan:So there they are in the suite. Okay. Of course, Trump's asleep. So the second cultural event that took place is the victory party in New York, where on stage at City Hall in New York City. It was a meritocracy. You had Zoran Mamdani, when he first ran for political office, started polling at 1%. He had all forces against him. The Democratic Party was against him. Corporate donors on both sides were against him. People like James Dolan were against him. He didn't take any PAC money. He built from the ground up a campaign, and he won because he fought for everybody. James Dolan has never earned anything in his life.
8:46Angie Sullivan:He wouldn't survive in a meritocracy for 2.5 seconds because here he is on the stage where everybody in New York is celebrating. And this guy didn't do anything, but he was just the product of his dad's sex life. That's it. And he's on stage earning absolutely nothing, treating the mayor of New York City, whether you agree with him politically or not, this is how he behaves the second he's outside of the MAGA bubble. Play the clip. For those of you listening, James Dillon, the entire speech that Zoran gave was slouched over. You could tell he wanted nothing to do with Zoran. And then after the speech gets on stage and says, I don't need your vote.
9:36Angie Sullivan:We don't need to go through the history of the team. Well, then why the effort are you down there? Yeah, you go through the history of the team. That's what a good politician does. But when he was sitting there starkly contrast to somebody who had to earn everything, bootstrap it like Republicans like talking about the American dream, like Republicans like talking about, he realizes he's nothing. He's nothing unless he's bubble wrapped in Mar-a-Lago. So at Mar-a-Lago, you have all these mediocre white men, pink armed white men that have never accomplished anything that have failed forward, failed forward, failed forward.
10:13Angie Sullivan:And the minute they get outside of that protective white bubble and they're on a stage of multiculturalism, of black athletes that against all odds in a country completely explicitly rigged against them, came through their neighborhoods, played AAU basketball, were able to ascend to be New York Knicks. Well, there's so much talent out there. And the same with Zoran Mamdani and all the people in the audience. James Dolan showed us exactly who he was. Jealous, bitter, inferior. He couldn't even be gracious when the mayor gave him his city key. He couldn't even look into the camera. Pop this up. So for those listening, here's Zoran, polite, the gentleman.
11:07Angie Sullivan:He grabs the key, turns away, doesn't take the picture. And then his son, Quentin, does the exact same thing. Conversely, the Knicks players, most of whom are in their 20s, went up and grabbed Zoran's hand, shook it, hugged him, turned to the cameras and smiled really big. But James Dolan, who I don't know, is he 70 or something? You can't fix this. And here's a guy sitting on that stage who has billions, billions, billions, billions, billions of dollars, unimaginable wealth, unimaginable access. And he's still broken. He's still sitting there completely broken, cannot be gracious for the city and his fan base that continues to make him a multi-billionaire.
11:54Angie Sullivan:It's just staggering what happens to these men when you take them out of their protected white privilege bubble and put them on a stage of a meritocracy. I mean, he wilted like a snowflake, bitter, angry, mad that Zoran got all the praise that he got. And guess what happened with James Dolan? Hardly any applause and audible boos, Angie. What's your take on that? Well, you know, here's the thing. I watch a lot of sports stuff and everyone for years has said the reason the Knicks have been good recently where they have been bad before is because Dolan was paying attention to building the sphere and he was outside of the Knicks.
12:37He wasn't meddling in that. And that because he wasn't meddling, they got better. But what strikes me with this, Bezos, Zuckerberg, Dolan, And then you hear about Peter Thiel. He's cut run to Argentina. Then you see all these reports of billionaires in Silicon Valley. They're building all of these bunkers. Trump wants a bunker. Ivana wants to make an island of former Soviet tunnels in Albania for bunkers. It's because if they, it's almost like a gremlin, like if water touches them, they melt. So they have to create their own reality where the things they believe about themselves are true. And because they have to be underground and bunkers, because we may not have as much money as they do, but we outweigh them by far.
13:26And I believe there's more ingenuity, ambition, intelligence, creativity outside of those bunker bubbles than there are inside. And that's terrifying for them. Full stop.
13:39Angie Sullivan:Yeah. And he was incredibly exposed. He was exposed on a stage of people who earned on their own merit, their own hard work, their own grit, inherited zero dollars. True American dream. And here's this Nepo baby sitting there that will always and forever be broken, that will forever be a stain on the very organization that has continued to make him billions of dollars. So I want to juxtapose this with you all. On the same day that we had this parade, there was also the opening of the Obama Library. And before we get to any footage from the Obama library, I told you there were four events that rolled out over this past week.
14:24Angie Sullivan:National events, the Knicks winning, Trump's birthday party, the Knicks parade and the Obama library opening. OK, as an American, you're going to find yourself in two categories. You're going to watch the Knicks parade and see all of the people and show the crowds here. Kylie, here are the huge crowds at the Knicks rally. You're going to see that. And you're going to be like, I want to be there. Look at the black people. Look at the white people, all different shades, celebrities, poor people, rich people, all kinds of people celebrating, cooperating in unity. Nobody's left behind. This city is for everybody.
15:07Angie Sullivan:Momdonna Stan and woke Sharia for all, Right. Right. So it's like, oh my God, incredible. Remember a few nights ago, the UFC fight right on the white house lawn, the desecration of the white house lawn. And this UFC fighter says this about a former first lady who is drop dead gorgeous, um, Ivy league educated, earned where she is based on her own merit, something James Dolan, Donald Trump could never, ever do. And on the White House lawn, where she was the most sophisticated, classy, intelligent, breath of fresh air of a first lady, while Fox News and all of the MAGA Christians hurled racism, both veiled and thinly veiled at her 24-7, 365.
16:02Angie Sullivan:And that hasn't been enough lately, the racism. So now they've thrown transphobia at her. I hate giving this space, but it's important for this episode in context that you understand who MAGA is and what they do when they have the cameras, the national television cameras on them. Play the clip. And lastly, Michelle Obama is a man. Am I right, America? All right. So, listener, you fall into two categories as an American. That's your America right there where you see the White House and the Green Algae Pond, Donald Trump throwing all of his, you know, filet-o-fish, Starbucks wrappers all over bedroom fluffed up with his little sausage fingers, you know, psycho memeing shit all night to own the libs that hit something in you.
16:57Angie Sullivan:And that hits really hard. And you think, yeah, fuck. Yeah. He called Michelle Obama, man. I knew it. Fuck. Yeah. Fuck Michelle Obama. Fuck Barack Obama. You're either that kind of an American or you're the type of American that sees the spontaneous celebration and embrace of multiculturalism that wants to create a space for a leveled playing field for all Americans. And you have maybe political disagreements with somebody, but when you hear a former first lady take the national stage and honor her husband, who was an incredible man, whether you agree with him politically or not, he's an incredible man, an incredible father, an incredible American.
17:42Angie Sullivan:And she makes speeches like this. Play the clip. It has been an honor to be by your side. You have made me a better person and have given us all an example that we should strive to emulate. And I hope you know, oh, there is truly no higher calling than that. I mean, that just makes my eyes are all water. I know, I'm teared at public. Because the Obamas represent something that so many of us on the left, whether you're a centrist Democrat all the way to a leftist, we are going to all have to come together to defeat these people that cheer and applaud what happened on the White House line. And anybody that's trying to Monday morning quarterback and say, I didn't like him saying that, you have no credibility because the man who hosted the event posts pictures of the Obama's representative as apes.
18:49Angie Sullivan:And if you want to say, well, I disapproved of that too. Prior to that, he's the one who started all the racist birtherism on Obama. So you don't get to all of a sudden, 11, 12 years in, say, oh, I don't like that. you have established that you're a racist. You've established you support racism. You're just not liking it so much right now because Trump's half dead. And you know that this dementia dunk is about to expire. And as you saw in downtown New York, Mom Donnie, Alicia Keys, onstage singing. At the Obama Library Center, we had John Legend, Bruce Springsteen, Christina Aguilera, Stevie Wonder, Mark Anthony, and so many more.
19:31Angie Sullivan:All of these celebrities were in attendance pumps and guess what they wore? Tan suits. Loved it. And I just think this is an incredible cultural moment, listener. MAGA owns all of the media, everything that we, even the social, even the platform that we're on right now, our MAGA supporters donated to him. and they fake the support for this man. They have to fake it through a system of bot farms. But you can look at the crowds and you can look at where you want to be. When you see the Obamas on stage and everybody supporting him, that part of America is still here. There are those of us that actively fight against anti-Black racism, that actively fight for the LGBTQ plus community and will not, will not under any circumstances, throw trans people under the bus for a cheap political win that will fight for every single person.
20:41Angie Sullivan:That's why, that's why the James Dolans of the world are so mad because they will never be successful on their own merit. And they are terrified of being exposed. And this whole group of inferior, mediocre at best, men are clinging on to this power. And I just want to say this. Once we get past this, we need to completely reimagine America. Take all of the great ideals that Michelle and Barack Obama spoke about. But does James Dolan need to own a basketball team that he earns billions of dollars for and then treats his players like shit and says you have to go to a racist president's White House that just dismantled the Voting Rights Act and celebrates that?
21:36Angie Sullivan:That's trying to rig elections so that black people and their interest are gerrymandered with a bunch of MAGA people and you have to go there. shouldn't these be publicly owned? Do the democratic socialists have a point? Shouldn't the city own these teams collectively instead of these, a racist owner like James Dolan? Pumps, what's your take on that? Well, when you said that, it reminds me of an NFL football team, the Green Bay Packers. They are owned by the stockholders of Green Bay and Wisconsin. I mean, you don't have to be from there, but if you're a fan, you can buy stock and own your team.
22:15And so the argument against it would be, well, what would we do? Well, the Green Bay Packers are a highly successful franchise. And then when you apply it to, like, here's a man inherited all this fucking money. He owns all these teams, but he's exclusive. You can't walk by Radio City Music Hall or he's going to kick you out, going to kick you out of the garden, you know, just a piece of shit. And then he, he, he's waited 53 years to be a champion, but he can't enjoy it because he's so rotten inside. And he's so mad that the mayor of New York city is popular and that he might have to pay a tax after I'm sure radio city music call doesn't pay any taxes.
23:05I don't know that, but MSG does not pay taxes. So this is a guy who has waited 53 years. He's gotten everything he wanted and he gets up on that stage and he's fucking mad. Then I contrast that with what was going on at the Obama library. And I got teared up several times watching that because I was like, this is what it's supposed to be. People are supposed to look at their president and say, I feel safe. He's making decisions that were going to help me. Not always right. Maybe not today, but he's going to protect me. And I think everybody across the board, you're even seeing Republicans say, Americans don't feel safe with Donald Trump at the controls.
23:49And that's just based on economy, inflation, jobs, wages. Because in my mind, you know, it's we're killing people. He's got the nuclear code. So it's such a contrast. I'm so glad you bring it up because I really was like tearful watching the Obama thing because we've lost so much.
24:11Angie Sullivan:We have. And it's important for everybody to look at those split screens. And what side are you on? Do you want to live in a beautiful multicultural democracy that advocates for everybody? Or do you want to live in James Dolan and Donald Trump's America? America? Do you want to live in a system that's completely rigged for unqualified, mediocre, insecure white men that the only way they get off is by beating down other people? And it still won't fix them. Billions of dollars won't fix these people. They're still inherently and fundamentally broken. There's never been a class of billionaires. Well, I mean, I think this is the first class of billionaires, but that are such a walking, talking advertisement against the existence of billionaires than these people.
24:57Angie Sullivan:All right. Please do me a favor and pre-order my book. It helps me more than you know. It comes out in October, but pre-sales are super important. It's linked right below in the show notes. It will come out right before the midterms. It's called Not Today Fascist. Today, the fascist I am dedicating this to is James Dolan. James Dolan, who got on national television yesterday and made a complete ass of himself. All right. That's all we have like subscribe comment we will be back later with more news
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