Stephen Miller In Hiding After It All Backfires, Trump's WH in Total Chaos

31 May 2026 · 35 min · 18 chapters

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The episode is a wide-ranging political rant arguing that Christian nationalism and Islamophobia are being used to scapegoat minorities while Republicans fail basic governance. It spotlights an Indiana lieutenant governor’s claim that he “hates Islam” as “demonic,” and contrasts that with Muslim politicians’ support for universal human rights (including Ilhan Omar and Zoran Mamdani). It also claims Trump-world figures are unqualified and self-dealing, citing reports that Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner proposed Tehran real-estate/investment deals after failed Iran negotiations, plus alleged Pentagon loans to Don Jr.-linked firms. Notable examples include Gaza “Riviera” talk, Ken Paxton’s sweetheart deal for a child abuser, and Stephen Miller’s attacks on Texas candidate James Tallarico.

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Mehdi Hasan, editor-in-chief of Zeteo, journalist and democracy defender.

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Introduction to Polling and Discussion

0:00 to 0:45

The hosts introduce the topic of polling data related to different groups in society.

“The polling shows you're the only group below Muslims, the atheists.”

Christian Nationalism and Its Impacts

0:45 to 3:56

The conversation shifts to Christian nationalism and a concerning Islamophobic tirade from a political figure.

“I don't know if I'd have come by if you were in Oklahoma, but I came by because you're in New York.”

The Hypocrisy in Religious Hate

3:56 to 7:53

Discussion on the hypocrisy of political figures who preach hate in the name of religion while ignoring broader human rights.

“You can say shit like that about a minority community in America and get away with it.”

Using Religion for Political Gain

7:53 to 12:10

The hosts delve into how certain political agendas manipulate religion for their own benefit, highlighting examples from their experiences.

“So as an atheist, they have a lot of ire for atheists, the Christian nationalists do.”

Trump's Administration and Business Interests

12:10 to 14:00

Critique of Trump's administration, focusing on business dealings and the intertwining of politics and personal gain.

“in that meeting with the Iranians was just wrong.”

Corruption and Hypocrisy in Politics

14:00 to 16:43

Discussion on political corruption and the hypocrisy of the Republican party.

“There's no sense of representation or taking great fiduciary care of the citizens of this country.”

Examining Ken Paxton's Actions

16:44 to 18:48

Analysis of Texas Senate candidate Ken Paxton's controversial actions and their implications.

“Republicans - Opposes healthcare in Texas.”

Attacks on James Tallarico

18:49 to 21:10

Discussion about the attacks against Texas politician James Tallarico and their implications.

“Okay, so you bring up James Tallarico, and this is really breaking the alpha males, and I say that in quotations, listener, alpha males over at Fox News.”

Stephen Miller and the Culture of Victimhood

21:11 to 24:14

Exploration of Stephen Miller's reactions to criticism and the broader culture of victimhood in politics.

“I would just remind Democrats, when Tim Walz was picked as a vice presidential candidate to Kamala Harris, he was picked partly because he had gone viral calling Republicans weird.”

Michigan Senate Race Dynamics

24:15 to 27:42

Detailed discussion on the dynamics of the Michigan Senate race and key candidates involved.

“He can say horrifically racist, sexist things.”
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Campaign Funding and Election Integrity

27:43 to 28:00

Insight into campaign funding, election integrity, and responses from candidates.

“I think he speaks for universal human rights.”

Metaphors in Politics

28:00 to 28:26

Explore the use of provocative metaphors in political discourse.

“And the hoes can be either Democrats or Republicans.”

Haley Stevens and AIPAC Donations

28:26 to 30:31

Discuss Haley Stevens' responses to questions about AIPAC donations.

“Haley Stevens was asked about APAC funneling millions of donations into her campaign.”

Critique of Israeli Politics

30:31 to 31:32

Analyze the problematic relationship between U.S. politicians and Israel.

“Why do American politicians talk about Israel in this way?”

Double Standards in Foreign Policy

31:32 to 32:53

Examine the double standards applied to Israel compared to other nations.

“I think it's also that we fund Israel without questions, with impunity.”

Criticism and Democracy

32:53 to 33:34

Discuss the importance of criticizing Israel for the sake of democracy.

“But we can't talk about Israel in that way.”

Bigotry and Jewish Identity

33:34 to 34:16

Explore the dangers of aligning with bigotry from a Jewish perspective.

“And these people seem to think, OK, we're against bigotry, you know, stop anti-Semitism while they're saying go back to Uganda and deport Mom Donnie.”

Final Thoughts on Political Hypocrisy

34:16 to 35:18

Conclude with reflections on hypocrisy in political advocacy.

“And all of the jokes that Jew them down and all of that shit exists everywhere.”
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0:04The polling shows you're the only group below Muslims, the atheists. So sorry about that. I know I'm on a lot of prayer warrior lists. I could never forget big titty Brian. Did you see the size of those? I'm trying to forget it. I'm trying to forget it. Very much so. So they have the nerve to come along and say, this tweet hurt my feelings. Come on. They're such titty babies. I want no part of this. I've never met this woman in my life. I don't know where that came from. She's an atheist. She's on the bottom of the list. You're in for a real treat. Mehdi Hassan is here in studio. Of course, he is the editor-in-chief of Zeteo and a proud defender of democracy.

0:38Mehdi, how are you? Good to see you, Jen. Thanks for having me in your lovely studio in Manhattan. Thank you. I think I've been texting you saying when you're in New York, come by. And then, of course, you did. You're in New York. I don't know if I'd have come by if you were in Oklahoma, but I came by because you're in New York. Fair. Fair. Just saying, with the greatest respect to the people of Oklahoma. Exactly. Speaking of Oklahoma, that makes me think about Christian nationalism. And Christian nationalism is quite popular in Oklahoma. And here we have a video of the lieutenant governor of Indiana.

1:07And he goes on this disgusting Islamophobic tirade earlier this week. I'm going to play the clip and get your take on it. Giving people permission to hate again. And I know that sounds a little harsh at first, but we've seen this movement to eradicate hate in our culture. That is the worst thing we could do. You know, the Bible talks about how God hates certain things. And when we say we want to eradicate hate, think about this. We're actually saying we want to eradicate a characteristic of God. And hate is not the opposite of love. Indifference is the opposite of love. And so when I talk about this, I say, guys, we need to, in Indiana, we need to hate certain things.

1:45If radical jihadi mindset starts coming into our state, I'm going to hate it. And I'm going to hate it with everything that I am. And I'm going to call on others to hate it because I hate Islam. It's a demonic death call. Now, I love Muslims because they make great Christians when Jesus gets a hold of them. But I hate Islam. Just so much going on in that clip. Wow. Where to begin with that guy, the lieutenant governor of Indiana. He's Islamophobic, as you say. He says he hates Islam, demonic religion. He says he loves Muslims. I thought for a moment there we were going to get a kind of, you know, I hate the religion, but the people are great.

2:21No, the people are potential Christian converts. That's all they're good for. It's insane. And also this idea of, I mean, he sums it up right there. Christianity today for these people is a religion of hate. If I say it, or you say it, we're kind of crazy liberal leftist attacking Christians, they're saying it. They're saying we want to be a religion of hate. Forget the love, forget the indifference, hate. And hate Islam. The guy wouldn't know what Islam was if it slapped him in the face. I would love to ask him three trivia questions about Islam. He wouldn't have a clue. Indiana has, I think, 60 ,000, 70 ,000 Muslims living in Indiana.

2:53There's probably more people in Indiana who identify as Jedi Knights than as Muslims, right? It's a very tiny minority. The idea that Islam's taken over the straight, radical Islam, it's bullshit that's being put forward, not just by Christian nationalists who have a nationalistic theological agenda, but let's be honest, these are Republicans who are failing at their basic task of providing services to their constituents, keeping prices down, keeping people in work, keeping people safe. They failed at their job as politicians, as lawmakers. So what do they do? They scapegoat a minority. They play deflection.

3:22Used to be Jews, used to be Catholics. Now it's Muslims. It's our turn. And I find it ironic that he goes on about this demonic religion. At the same time, his party is lecturing everyone else about antisemitism. All I can say is that if a democratic lieutenant governor had said Judaism is a demonic religion, and Jews are only good if they're converts to Christianity. It'd be the end of the world, rightly so. And everyone would know the name of that lieutenant governor. It would be all over the news. With this guy, I'm glad you played the clip because most people, even on the left, have really ignored it.

3:55Islamophobia has been normalized across the board. You can say shit like that about a minority community in America and get away with it. And let's talk about, he said something interesting to me that he wanted permission to hate again. That is a good thing. And I have known from living in an evangelical community my entire life, how hateful that particular sect of Christianity is. There are beautiful Christians in the world, but this particularly organized white group of Christians, it is this hellfire damnation, rapture prepping, exclusionary religion. And they always see everybody as a potential customer.

4:35The convert of the Muslim is because then they get more in tithing because these megachurches are popped up like franchises. It's a grift as well as public. And they have political agendas. I remember growing up in Oklahoma, Medi, and I would drive by. There was a church right next to my high school, and it would say, God wants you to vote for George H.W. Bush today. Okay. On the church. And they still kept their charitable status. I think the really important point you mentioned there is that this is political. So I say this as a Muslim. I spent the last 20 years, 25 years, in fact, will be since 9-11, 25 years this September.

5:09I spent 25 years people asking me about Islam this, Islam that, extremist religion. And what have I said to them? I said, for 25 years, this is not about the religion. This is about a group of political people using religion as cover. I've seen that firsthand in my own religion. It's funny now to see Christians attacking Islam for being radical while they're behaving as Muslim radicals have behaved in the sense of using religion as cover for a political agenda. this is not about Jesus did not go around saying we need permission to hate again right find me that verse he's he's talking about God no one no serious person identifies Jesus I mean Christians his pastor doesn't go around saying follow Jesus Christ the great hate monger in chief they just don't say it so this is a political message it is about scapegoating an enemy and out group this is about in group versus out group this has nothing to do with religion or theology he doesn't even know the theology of Islam he doesn't know for example that Islam reveres Jesus and his mother, Mary.

5:59There's a chapter of the Quran named after Mary. They don't know this stuff. They just say it's a demonic religion. Well, I think that we've all been propagandized in the post 9-11 world by the Democrats, by the Republicans, by the Christian nationalists to believe. Blanket statement. Muslims want to blow shit up. They want to kill themselves blowing shit up so that they can get all these virgins when they go to paradise and you can't trust any of them, right? So then now you have a big portion or a minority portion of Muslims in the United States. Some of them are in Congress now. One of them is mayor of New York.

6:37Which is really bothering people. It's really bothering people. He prayed in his arsenal, Khrita Pajama. He prayed the Eid prayer this week in public. Yeah. And people went nuts. This is Islamic takeover of New York. What, doing a public prayer? You have people like Ben Shapiro saying, oh, why did AOC go to this and cover her head? We don't expect people to wear kippah. It's not true. Donald Trump wore a kippah. And it's a good thing when you go to a synagogue, when you go to a gudwara, when you go to a temple, when you go to a mosque, when you go to a church, it's a good thing to show respect to that community, try and show some affinity with that community.

7:07That's what all politicians should do. Yeah. And now we have the antidote to all of this rabid, unchecked Islamophobia. Please tell me what it is. You're here talking about connecting all universal human rights, throwing not one group under the bus. Zoran is doing that. Members of Congress are doing that. And Ilhan Omar, who they hate so much, spends much of her time, you know, oh, she's obsessed with Palestine. Actually not. If you look at her, one of her biggest legislative achievements is getting like free school lunches to people. Like she wants everyone to have free school lunch. Every kid.

7:37Sounds kind of Jesus-y. Yeah. Every kid to have free school meals, including the Christian kids, the Republican kids, the conservative kids. Like that, it's ironic that it's the members of Congress who are Muslim, who are seen as some kind of outsiders. They're the ones trying to champion universal human rights saying we should treat everyone equally. We shouldn't bomb anyone, whether they're Muslim, Jewish, Christian. That's the great irony. So as an atheist, they have a lot of ire for atheists, the Christian nationalists do. So if I'm shopping for religions, I see that the Muslims in office right now and in media are advocating for universal human rights.

8:10And then I see this asshole talking about wanting to make hate great again. And then I see the pastor of untreated Fox narcissist, untreated alcoholic and Fox narcissist, Pete Hegseth, his pastor talking about women losing the right to vote. Yes. And I hear rabid Islamophobia, rabid anti-black racism. Imagine if Zoran Mamdani came out and said, women shouldn't have a right to vote. Forget the shitstorm with Mamdani. It would be, this is what all Muslims believe, but the defense secretary's own pastor, Their church can say that quite openly on CNN and they get away with it. By the way, being an atheist, that dude from Indiana hates you more than me.

8:48The polling shows you're the only group below Muslims, the atheists. So sorry about that. I know I'm on a lot of prayer warrior lists in Oklahoma. I've been for a long time. You give us cover. You give the Muslims cover. We're like, we're not bottom. We're second from last. Welch is bottom. Atheists. We blame Welch. Okay. Moving along. Always that goes with all the Christian nationalism is grifting, whether it's the pastors or the people who are robber barons, who know that this is the most manipulated part of the American population. This is who the NRA is able to manipulate. It's who Vladimir Putin is able to manipulate.

9:24It's who Trump was able to manipulate. And so you have Steve Whitcoff, who is Donald Trump's golfing buddy, who is dumber than a box of hot rocks, who Vladimir Putin has put a shock Kalaran and walked all over Moscow. And another unqualified dipshit named Jared Kushner. And now we know why they're all chips in on Iran. Pop this up, Kylie. Midas Touch is reporting that Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner, who have been integral to the failed negotiations of the Iran war, have, quote, suggested promoting real estate projects in Tehran and an investment fund in the event a deal was reached. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

10:06It's so predictable because that's who these people are. But it's also, we should never, one thing about the Trump scandals, and I say this to everyone watching, listening is, it's very easy to go, yeah, that's who they are. Surprise. I often tweet and cap, surprise when one of these stories comes out. But at the same time, while we shouldn't be shocked, we should be shocked. We should also retain the capacity to be disgusted. We shouldn't normalize this shit, right? That's the danger, right? Those of us, like you and me who follow this daily, we become kind of, you know, almost immune to it. Well, you know, another scandal.

10:37But that is crazy. Like many, many countries have bombed other countries and destroyed their infrastructure. Putin is doing it right now to Ukrainian cities. But I've not ever seen, not in my lifetime, the government that does the bombing, then sending their diplomatic negotiators say, hey, guys, to help you rebuild, we'll come in with an investment fund to do the real estate deals. They said about Gaza. Do you remember Jared said, Gaza is great beachfront property. It could be some kind of Gaza Riviera. Trump put out an AI video of himself as a gold statue, him on the beach with Netanyahu. So they killed over 100 ,000 people in Gaza.

11:11And then they want to build hotels and high rise apartments and condos on top of the mass graves. That's what they want to do in Gaza. The ethnic cleansing is ongoing. Benjamin Netanyahu said this week, 70%, we're going to take 70 % of Gaza. I thought there was a ceasefire. I thought the war was over. He says, no, we're going to take 70 % of Gaza. And then in Iran, these guys, these two people, property developers. By the way, Jared Kushner, failed property developer, Nepo baby, son of a convicted criminal who Trump pardoned, who famously blackmailed his mother. Let's not forget that story. Just his dad got hired a hooker to sleep with his brother-in-law, I think it was, to try and blackmail him.

11:48And then Chris Christie put him in prison and all of that stuff. And Jared defended him. He's now the ambassador to France. Thank you for that vote, Cory Booker. So on Jared and Wyckoff, they're completely unqualified. I'm so glad you used that word. He sent them to do the negotiating with the Iranians. NBC News did a really interesting piece where they didn't just speak to kind of the negotiators, but they spoke to nuclear experts who say everything that Jared and Steve Wyckoff said in that meeting with the Iranians was just wrong. And they didn't take any nuclear experts with them. Obama negotiated the Iran deal by sending Ernest Moniz, his energy secretary, who also happens to be a nuclear physics expert at MIT.

12:23He sent him to do the negotiating. Trump sent these two, as you put it, dipshits. They went and the Iranians were stunned that these guys didn't have any clue about uranium enrichment. They didn't have any clue about the technical details of the plants. They didn't have any clue about the Tehran medical research facility that became a big center of the negotiation. They didn't have a clue. They got everything wrong. NBC News lists all the things they got wrong. They went and interviewed actual nucleics, but said they were wrong. And that's who he sent. It's stunning because now they're saying this would reportedly be part of a proposed reconstruction fund, not to be confused with the new slush fund, in which Iran has demanded$300 billion from the U.S.

13:01to compensate for damages from U.S. strikes. I remember Fox News going apeshit bananas about the money, the funds that were frozen that Obama released. I think it was less than$2 billion. Now we're up to$300 billion on top of all the subsidies we give. But it makes sense though, doesn't it? Because if you're Trump and Wyckoff and Kushner and you go, hold on, we have to give them$300 billion or let them take whatever it is, their own$300 billion, wherever that money is coming from. But if our friends get a cut as part of the deal, then why not? They don't care about the American interest. They care about their own interest.

13:34They care about their own bottom lines. So it makes sense. It fits in with what he's doing on the mall, what he's doing with the reflecting pool, what he's doing with the ballroom. Give your friends no-bid contracts. Let them pay more than they need to out of the taxpayer. This actually makes sense. It just totally fits the Trump vision, which is, all right, we get kickbacks. Totally. And I think these people operate as though the White House, the United States Treasury, all of our interests are theirs personally. They're piggy banks. Yeah. It's theirs personally. There's no sense of representation or taking great fiduciary care of the citizens of this country.

14:10We've got a few years in office. Let's just get as much out of it as we can. You're seeing it with Don Jr. now, whose net wealth has gone from the millions to the billions. He just has a company that the Department of Defense was told, I think it was a rare earth mining company that his company took a stake in. He says he had nothing to do with it. But apparently, I think reporting from ProPublica, I think it was this week, saying that they got a call, the Pentagon got a call from the White House saying you need to give a big loan, hundreds of millions of dollars in loans to this company. And these are the people that want to bring back meritocracy.

14:42These are the people who said we need to eliminate waste and fraud in government. So we're going to shut down soup kitchens in Sudan. We're going to leave behind vulnerable girls in Afghanistan. We're going to screw over people with HIV in Africa. That we can't afford. But if Trump's pals need a no-bid contract to redo a reflecting pool by the Lincoln Memorial, that we can afford. This we can afford. Subsidies to the Trump kids, we can afford. You know what I say every day on my podcast as an atheist? That MAGA, per my observation, is an anti-family, pro-pedophilia death cult. Their policies always lead to war, always lead to financial destruction, always lead to defending pedophiles or the pedophiles themselves.

15:25Look at their Senate candidate in Texas right now. Yes. Literally epitomous. Say your phrase again. What is MAGA? What is MAGA? Anti-family, pro-pedophilia death cult. Okay. So let's just take Ken Paxton, the Texas Senate candidate. His family. Let's talk about his family now. Cheated on his wife. His wife tweeted that she's getting divorced for biblical reasons. She says he cheated on her. If you look at the impeachment that he went through, they said he was impeached by his own party, by the way, not Democrats. I mean, Democrats voted, but the majority of Republicans voted to impeach him. Apparently, the donor who he allegedly got his mistress a job with, they set up an Uber account in some third name so that he could take Ubers and go see his mistress and no one would know.

16:02All this dodgy stuff that he, of course, denies, but he got impeached for a lot of this stuff. Anti-family values. This is the great Christian conservative, cheated on his wife. You said pro-pedophilia. He gave a sweetheart deal to a pedophile, to a guy who spent years abusing a child. And he offered him a one-day-in-prison plea deal. One day in prison. And he knocked it down from felony to misdemeanor. To be fair, there had been a mistrial. So he tried to do a settlement, which is fair, as AG. But he offered him one day in prison. The judge said, and I quote, one day, are you kidding me? And up to 60 days.

16:37So that guy got two months in prison and he's not on a sex offenders list. How's that for pro-pedophile? It's true. And then all of their policies lead to death. They always start wars. Republicans - Opposes healthcare in Texas. Yeah. Opposes healthcare, the dismantling of USAID for all of these pro-life. It always happens my whole entire life. Republicans are pathological liars, Mehdi. They go in and say, we're such great businessmen. We're so good with the economy. We're so concerned about the national deficit. We love the troops. We love national security. It's all lies. The whole entire thing is built on lies.

17:13And the Democrats have got to start playing offense and branding it as such. Well, I'm glad James Tallarico is going on the offense. His first ad that he put out this week is about the sweetheart deal for the pedophile. They need to make this guy well known. They need to make the story of Paxton well known. John Cornyn tried it during the primaries. It didn't work, but that was the MAGA base. You hope with the Texas population as a whole, which isn't as right wing as people think it is. They want you to believe that it's a pure red state. I spent a lot of time in Texas. I have family in Texas.

17:40They need to make that story known, right? That has to be front and center of their campaign. Imagine if it was the reverse. And I would add to your point about the lies. I think five words define the Republican Party. Every accusation is a confession. Totally. And that is the key. Whatever they say is what they're guilty of, right? So when they say, oh, the Democrats are going to, you know, they're bad at fiscal responsibility, they raise the deficit. Actually, the presidents who have been worse for the deficit are Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush, Donald Trump term one, Donald Trump term two. When they say, oh, you know, we're the party of police.

18:09They're the people who pardoned hundreds of people who attacked the police on January 6th, 2021, who are now dismantling the FBI and other law enforcement agencies. Everything they say, oh, the Democrats are going to be the party of war. We saw what Donald Trump has done. Kamala Harris is going to attack Iran. He attacked Iran. Just go down the list. You know, oh, Democrats. What was QAnon? QAnon, the entire QAnon conspiracy theory was that the liberals, Hillary Clinton and Huma Abedin are running a pedophile ring from a basement of a pizza parlor in Washington, D.C. There's a cabal of liberal elite pedophiles running the world.

18:40Well, they got it half right. There is a cabal of pedophiles protected by politicians. A politician who did most to protect them was Donald J. Trump, right? So this is the hypocrisy. It is every accusation is a confession. Totally. Okay, so you bring up James Tallarico, and this is really breaking the alpha males, and I say that in quotations, listener, alpha males over at Fox News. Jesse Waters is really unraveling right now. Play the clip. Cheese, I have questions that I'd like local reporters to ask Low-T Tallarico. Does James Tallarico even own a gun? Is James Tallarico a Cowboys fan? A Houston Texans fan?

19:19Does he even know the Spurs are playing tonight? Has Tallarico ever been to a football game, or is he more of a World Cup guy? Wait, what does that mean? Sorry, yeah, sorry. I like the World Cup. Does Tallarico own a truck? Does he believe in premarital sex? Jesse. What, you wrote that down?

19:42Jesse Waters had an affair on his wife. And so let me just say - With a colleague at Fox, right? With a colleague. Who he proudly bragged about slashing her tires so that she would be forced to get a lift with him. Exactly. Family values. I want us to play offense at all times on this stuff. Because the only thing I've ever heard about James Tallarico that's even somewhat like eyebrow raising is that he followed some OnlyFans accounts of women. So that shows me that this guy's a red-blooded heterosexual. But I do want to bring up to the panel here at Fox News. I do want to bring up this image right here, a failed drag queen, J.D.

20:19Vance. That's the vice president of the United States. That's the name he's going by these days. Yeah, he's changed his name three times, changed his religion three times. America's biggest prostitute bought in Purchase by Peter Thiel, who has now fled to Argentina like all Nazis do. And then I want to bring this picture to your attention. And this is, of course, Big Titty Brian, who said this is the husband of dog and goat killer, Christy Nell. I actually forgot who that was. So I'm glad that you keep track of all these Republican scandals. See, that's the problem, Mehdi. We let them off the hook.

20:46Well, also, they flood the zone with shit. There's so many scandals. Come on, we're only human. Even you and I, who do this for a living, cannot keep track of every possible scandal. I could never forget Big Titty Brian. Did you see the size of those rockers? I'm trying to forget it. I'm trying to forget it. Very much so. I'm trying to go back to Jesse Waters and his hypocrisy. Yeah. It's not just Jesse, of course, Stephen Miller. They're all going nuts about James Tallarico. By the way, Tala Freaco, number one, is a great name. Just give him that. It's pretty good, yeah. He's actually putting out merch and leaning into it.

21:11He's selling Tala Freaco t-shirts. James is? He is. Oh, I love that. I would just remind Democrats, when Tim Walz was picked as a vice presidential candidate to Kamala Harris, he was picked partly because he had gone viral calling Republicans weird. And Republicans got really mad. Trump got really mad that they were getting called weird. And then he got put on the ticket and then they stopped calling Republicans weird. I'm still annoyed about that. Me too. Because it is actually a very powerful line of attack because they are weirdos. Donald Trump is a weirdo. J.D. Vance is a weirdo. RFK Jr. is a big weirdo.

21:37They're all weirdos. So I don't understand why the Democrats dropped that line of attack. The Republicans now realize the value of it. And they're trying to tar and brand James Tallarico. If they pull it off, they win. I mean, let's just be clear. This is a very hard race for James Tallarico to win. Democrats not won statewide in Texas for decades. It's going to be very hard. And if they succeed, you know, they've got a lot of money. They're going to throw a lot of money at him. they're already doing this bullshit about, oh, he's a vegan, he's this, he's that. He's a transgender, according to Stephen Miller.

22:03I mean, the idea that Stephen Miller is confident enough to throw out insults about other men's appearances. This is a man who colored his head in before he won TV. Yes. Gender affirming care. I want to play a clip. You brought up Stephen Miller. I want to bring up a clip of Stephen Miller attacking Tallarico. And then I want to remind everybody that Katie Miller has stage five meltdowns constantly that everybody's calling Stephen Miller an ugly fuck, which objectively he is. Well, the Democrats did do that. Let's give credit to the Democrats. I'm proud of them. And the girl went on Midas Touch and they said - She's now getting docs, poor thing.

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22:38Why did you call him that? She said, because Stephen Miller is an ugly fuck. And I'm like, yes, fight that hard. Annual bonus time at the Democratic Party. Here's Stephen Miller on Fox. When Tallarico goes in for a blood test, when he gets a physical, blood doesn't come out. Instead, soy milk comes out. This man has less testosterone than Jasmine Crockett. It is a mind-boggling choice. They would choose a person to run for that office who looks like he doesn't belong in the Senate, but in a cabaret show. Okay. First of all, I haven't seen Jesse Waters as happy as he is when he's in the presence of whom Jesse Waters coined this.

23:19He calls Stephen Miller a sexual matador. The gay vibes, the homosocial stuff that I see from these men on Fox is really, and in the MAGA regime is really, yes, it's really interesting to me because I have two lesbians here that work for me, a gay man that works for me. I'm a straight woman. And none of us walk in here and talk about our sexuality or femininity or masculinity or effemininity ever. Because you don't work at Fox. Right. And so let's just talk about Stephen Miller and Katie Miller. I mean, she's having a meltdown, as you say. She went immediately running onto Fox and TV to complain.

24:00You know what she said? She said, this is the kind of thing that leads to political violence. It leads to someone doing a shooting at the White House Correspondents' Dinner. These people are cry bullies. right? They love to dish it out, but you cannot talk back to them the way they talk. So Donald Trump can say to a reporter, you're ugly, hush piggy. He can say horrifically racist, sexist things. Stephen Miller can say the entire Democratic Party, he called them a domestic extremist organization last year. He said they're not a political party. They're a domestic extremist organization. That doesn't incite hate.

24:31That doesn't incite violence. But if you say, shut up, you ugly fuck, or whatever it was the Democrat said, that means there's going to be a violent attack on Stephen and Katie Miller. Remember, they lied about their house being threatened. They completely exaggerated what was said. It was kind of mild stuff. I can't remember the exact phrase, but there was an investigation done with the police report of what was happened, completely bullshitted by Katie Miller and Stephen Miller to move out of their house in Arlington. They're always playing victim, right? They love to dish it out, these fascists.

24:57They love to demonize every minority. He's been doing it since he was in high school. We've got it on tape. We've got Latino friends of his who said, he told us, I can't talk to you anymore because of who you are. I can't be friends with you anymore in high school. So this is who he's been for years. And now they have the nerve to play victim when they are running a government that is killing American citizens in the street, that is rounding up brown and black people who are American citizens. And then let's not even ask questions about what they're doing to undocumented people in those camps.

25:25So they have the nerve to come along and say, this tweet hurt my feelings. Come on. We have this saying in the South, they're such titty babies. I mean, they just sit and whine. And when you think about all of the whining that comes out - And then they have to say, cry more if we get upset about something. It's this trickle down crybaby shit from Trump all the way down to Stephen Miller, all the way down to Katie Miller. They are the biggest bunch of titty babies I have ever seen from the party of personal accountability. Well, again, every accusation is a confession. They say the Democrats are fragile.

25:57The Democrats are snowflakes. The Democrats need safe spaces. But it's them who go around and say, well, this comedian made fun of me, so I must eject him from the airwaves. Remember the night that Stephen Colbert had his last show? Donald Trump put out an AI video of him picking up Colbert and putting him in the trash to make it clear that yes, he, Donald Trump, the President of the United States, got rid of this late night comedian for mocking him. So you really want to give us lectures about free speech, about having thick skins, about having a sense of humor. Remember when Elon Musk went to CPAC and said, comedy is legal again.

26:25And then he represses and shadow bans people who he doesn't like. He just unfollowed some right wing troll, sycophant of is who dared to say one thing he didn't like unfollowed him. So these people are thin-skinned, crybaby hypocrites. Every accusation is a confession. Just have those words. You don't need to read the op-ed pages of the Times and the Washington Post. You don't need to read Politico to understand American politics. Just that phrase. Every accusation is a confession. You've understood the Republican Party. I agree. It's not that deep. What we're dealing with is not deep. It is a failed, pathetic playbook.

26:58And history is not going to be kind to the Katie Millers of the world, Which, by the way, speaking of safe spaces, Stephen and Katie Miller live on a military base. And I think Donald Trump's whole bunker is just his security blanket because he cannot handle the idea of what happened to him in 2020. He can't handle it. The ballroom. Yeah, the ballroom, his bunker. I want to move on to the Michigan Senate race. I have had Abdul Al-Sayed on the podcast twice. He came here. I'm very impressed with him. Have you had the other candidates on? I have not. Have you tried? No. I tried. They wouldn't come on.

27:33And Halloween McMorrow won't come on, even though I've interviewed before at MS Now. It's very interesting what's going on in that race with that three-way split. Yeah. I like Abdul. I'm totally endorsing Abdul Asahad. I'll say it. I love him a lot. I think he speaks for universal human rights. He doesn't take corporate money. Because I think we can boil down a lot of politics right now that we can apply this in a bipartisan way. You have pimps and hoes. The pimps are all of the corporate PACs, the corporate lobbyists, and then you have the hoes. And the hoes can be either Democrats or Republicans.

28:03It's bipartisan. Like Democratic hoes that we would have would be like Kristen Gillibrand, Cory Booker, etc. And so one of the hoes in this race would be Haley Stevens. And nobody go crazy about a woman calling another woman a ho. I mean this metaphorically. Do not wet the mouth. I want no part of this. I've never met this woman in my life. I don't know where that came from. She's an atheist. She's on the bottom of the list. Okay. Okay. Haley Stevens was asked about APAC funneling millions of donations into her campaign. And this is how she answered the question. I'm not hiding anything from voters.

28:38I'm not breaking FEC laws. I, you know, by any stretch of the means, in fact, I'm compliant with FEC laws and, you know, what's going on here. So maybe that's something on the... Just trying to see whether you're worried about... And also, Chad, you know that individual... No, I'm not. Okay. Look, you're asking me, why would you ask me that question first of all? I'm asking because your opponents are hanging in as one of their big issues you're going to try to use against you here in the next three months. Paid communications or just when they're out there talking? Yeah, both. Both, yeah. And why do you think they're doing that?

29:15Trying to tap into some anti-Israel settlements in the Democratic... You think it's foreign policy? Yeah, look, I think we should talk about foreign policy. Why would AIPAC back me? Why would they want to give me money? I mean, what is going on? First of all, aside from her horrible politics, she's a horrible candidate. She's got no charisma, no humor, no person. I actually quite like Mallory McMurray, politics aside. I think she's a great communicator. I first came across her, like everyone else, when she was a state rep, and she gave a really barnstorming speech in the statehouse against MAGA.

29:48I had her on my show at MSNBC. But this person, Hayley Stevens, I mean, AIPAC backed her pretty openly against Andy Levin, who she defeated in a primary. I think their seats got merged and they were both sitting congressmembers, if memory serves me correctly. He's actually a rabbi, right? He's a Jewish congressman who's a rabbi in a synagogue, but dared to criticize Israel. So AIPAC had to take him out. He's been very open about this, what happened to him. This time around, they know they're unpopular. So they're funneling money to us with all sorts of front groups. They never say who they are.

30:14They always say our candidates won, but they don't actually openly campaign for them and put out pro-Israel ads because they know they're toxic. So she has to hide this stuff, even though, by the way, she's also on record saying that Israel comes to her in her dreams, which is bizarre, I think it's fair to say. It's weird as shit. Why do American politicians talk about Israel in this way? And it's so funny because people say to me, as a lefty critic of Israel, people say, oh, you're obsessed with Israel. Mary Hassan's always attacking Israel. Why is the left obsessed with Israel? We're not the ones obsessed with Israel.

30:41If you stop talking about it the way you did and stop giving them so much money, we would not talk about them, right? I mean, they often say, why don't you talk about Sudan or what's happening here and there? It's like, but our politicians aren't as intimately involved. Like, I've never heard a candidate running for office who says, Belgium comes to me in my dreams. Tanzania comes to me in my dreams. They don't do it. They just say it about Israel. Ted Cruz said it to Tucker Castle in that famous interview. He said, my goal to become a senator was to stand up for Israel. What? It sounds like normal because we're so used to it.

31:12But you would say it's insane if somebody in the Michigan Senate race said, I'm running for Senate in Michigan because someone needs to stand up for Burkina Faso. It just sounds insane. Or Germany. So this whole kind of bringing a foreign government, foreign state into our politics, giving them weapons and money, you've made it the issue. Don't come and tell us why you're obsessed with Israel. It's you guys doing it. We're reacting. I completely agree. I think it's also that we fund Israel without questions, with impunity. We fund this. And then when you find out that Israel has killed 260 journalists, and then at the one time they say, we're a great democracy.

31:50Also, we murder journalists. It's bullshit. You cannot be both of those things. And there's no accountability. They kill little kids and murder little kids. Now it's being unveiled that they are covering up rape. We all saw the video of - Well, the UN has put them on a blacklist of countries just this week, which they've gone nuts about. The United Nations. Oh, yes. This is the same blacklist that the Israelis managed to get Hamas onto. And it was a good blacklist when Hamas was on it. But once they got added to it, now it's an anti-Semitic blacklist from the UN and they want nothing to do with the UN.

32:22The UN have actual investigations. You know, everyone went nuts about Nick Kristof's investigation about the rape. Yes. Well, the UN has now put out a report showing multiple testimonies from men, women and children about sexual assault, rape, gang rape. It's there. But everyone's an anti-Semite. And this is the problem. and we can't have any kind of... Another problem we have with Israel is we can't talk about them like we talk about any other country. I'm allowed to say that Russia bombs hospitals in Kyiv. And no one says, oh, you anti-Russian racist. They accept that I'm criticizing a foreign nation for breaking human rights conventions.

32:53But we can't talk about Israel in that way. Again, they say, the supporters of Israel, that you and I, we're picking on Israel. We're holding it to a different standard. I don't want to hold Israel to a different standard. I want to hold Israel to the same standard we hold every other country. That's all I ask for. Yeah. And Jason Stanley, who is a former professor at Yale, now in Toronto, is a very good friend of mine. He's a contributor. He's awesome. He comes on my podcast, but he texted me, I don't know, a month or two ago. And he said, Jennifer, I need to come on because if we are not allowed to criticize Israel, we will not have a democracy.

33:23Jason Stanley is a Jewish man whose father was a hidden child in Germany. And he cares deeply about all forms of bigotry. And again, you cannot advocate for like there was a protest at the mayor's house here in New York City. And these people seem to think, OK, we're against bigotry, you know, stop anti-Semitism while they're saying go back to Uganda and deport Mom Donnie. And here's the fucking problem. As a white woman who has lived in a MAGA Republican dominated space my entire life, you will not be special to these people. They have apocalyptic dreams for Jewish people. And it is get in your places before Jesus comes down and sends you to hell for all eternity with the atheists and the Muslims.

34:14That is their plan for you. And all of the jokes that Jew them down and all of that shit exists everywhere. It exists everywhere. So to think they're going to be safe in the hands of bigots is insane. I agree. I mean, morality and consistency aside, it makes no sense from a Jewish perspective. It befuddles me that major Jewish American organizations spend so much time attacking Mamdani and Abdul Al-Sayed, people who go out of their way to talk about universal human rights, racial equality. Meanwhile, they give a pass to a Republican Party, which under the age of 30 is going full neo-Nazi right now.

34:48Totally. And let's talk about Elon Musk with the back-to-back Sig Hiles, who is constantly re-gramming Nazis and are retweeting Nazis and all this crazy shit. No, so it's fine. Jonathan Greenblatt, crickets on all of that. But my God, we're going to have a Zoron watch. It is nuts. Medhi, thank you. Thank you. So much. You're one of my favorites. It always feels cathartic to talk with you, Jen. I know. It's therapy. It's therapy. That's what it is. First time we met, we said that. Yes. Every time. Every time. All right. Thanks, Medhi. Thank you.

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