In short
Walter Masterson discusses Trump/MAGA rallies and rhetoric, arguing Trump is “honest” about mass deportations and that MAGA’s appeal is cult-like community plus racial grievance. He also criticizes Democrats for abandoning 50-state organizing, using “rotating villain” tactics, and pushing “vote blue no matter who” despite corporate/establishment candidates, while Dems brace for a “blue wave.”
Guests
Walter Masterson, comedian and activist known for crashing a pro-Israel rally dressed as a stormtrooper; co-host Angie (former Republican evangelical Bible-study mom turned left).
Key claims
Trump’s supporters aren’t listening to policy details; Democrats neglect neglected voters (Oklahoma/Tulsa examples) and undercut primaries; tech and elites may be unhappy with JD Vance’s alignment with Trump; Democrats sometimes fund/enable ICE while facing protest.
Notable examples
RNC reactions to Trump naming J.D. Vance; Ted Cruz “cheeseburger/gas stove” style attacks; Trump praising deportations/camps; Trump mocking NASA administrator ears; Masterson confronting Rep. Tom Swatzee during a synagogue town hall over ICE deaths; discussion of Shoikot Chakrabarti vs Scott Wiener and Tom Steyer/Becerra climate contrast.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOThe Stormtrooper Protest
0:45 to 2:26
Discussion on the motivation behind Walter's stormtrooper protest at a pro-Israel rally.
“Oh, God, that was, I wanted to sort of cross genres because I feel like a lot of us watch these movies and TV shows and we always understand who the bad guys are.”
The MAGA Phenomenon
2:26 to 4:00
Exploration of why people celebrate controversial figures like Trump and Netanyahu.
“And I get to watch all of their reactions and pull them in real time before the talking points come out, before they've been told what to think.”
Reactions to J.D. Vance
4:00 to 5:50
Walter shares insights from his experience at the RNC and reactions to J.D. Vance's nomination.
“I wasn't there for that, but it tracks because I've been to over 30 Trump rallies.”
The Dynamics of Trump Rallies
5:50 to 8:10
Insights into the atmosphere and crowd dynamics at Trump rallies.
“Every time, by the time they get to him, people are exhausted.”
The Importance of Political Presence
8:10 to 10:30
Discussion on the need for political presence in overlooked states like Oklahoma.
“but bernie came to oklahoma bernie won the state of oklahoma in the democratic primary because he came and he campaigned there.”
Psychology of Trump Rally Attendees
10:30 to 12:20
Analyzing the sense of community and identity among Trump rally attendees.
“one's, everyone's like, oh, well, you know, they're, that's, that's, that's good enough for me in terms of numbers, you know, that's, let's not get too much here.”
Trump's Outlandish Comments
12:20 to 14:01
Analysis of recent outrageous statements made by Trump and their implications.
“So I would have had no trouble making it and physically very, very good.”
J.D. Vance and Trump's Influence
14:01 to 15:03
Explore how Trump is undermining J.D. Vance's political aspirations.
“Vance has not been what they thought it was going to be because J.D.”
Trump's Insults and Political Strategy
15:04 to 16:12
Discuss Trump's unique style of insults and its impact on his political strategy.
“The only problem is he doesn't have any, there's no way for him to say, oh, hey, I disagreed with Trump so much because he's basically working hand in glove with him.”
Protests and Political Accountability
16:13 to 17:29
Analyze the method of disrupting political events to hold politicians accountable.
“The only person who beats him in that, I think, or rivals him is Curtis Sliwa.”
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The Challenge of Corporate Democrats
17:30 to 19:58
Delve into the dynamics of corporate Democrats in blue districts and their policies.
“that the Democrats deploy a rotating villain strategy where they don't whip the votes.”
Critique of Vote Blue No Matter Who
19:59 to 21:48
Critique the strategy of voting for Democrats regardless of their policies.
“blue districts, and then they just deliver corporate policy for corporations, much like the Supreme Court is doing right now, over and over again.”
Political Evolution and Accountability
21:49 to 23:58
Discuss the evolution of political views and holding politicians accountable for past actions.
“I mean, it really is because it's a difficult...”
Future Candidates and Election Strategies
23:59 to 26:15
Speculate on future political candidates and the strategies leading into elections.
“Meanwhile, it's someone that, it's like beyond, they're like hawkish, they're pro-Israel, hawkish, corporate backed, their campaign cost$50 million.”
Harm Reduction Voting and Political Preferences
26:16 to 28:00
Discuss the concept of harm reduction voting and its implications in politics.
“I know he's unpopular in a lot of other states and there's a lot against him and I know he's really not gonna galvanize a lot of voters and stuff, but you have to get excited.”
Debate on California's Political Landscape
28:00 to 29:16
Discussion on the implications of California's jungle primary and candidates' positions on climate change.
“Yeah, I'm judging and based on who he's running against.”
The Complexities of Billionaires in Politics
29:16 to 30:49
Exploration of the roles and perceptions of billionaires in political spaces, with specific examples.
“Oh my God, like I'm so starved for people to talk about the right things.”
Caution Against Dismissing Wealthy Allies
30:49 to 32:17
Arguing for a nuanced view of wealthy individuals like Shoikot Chakrabarti in the context of political reform.
“I'm here to work with working people, then we shouldn't just be like, eh.”
Humorous Takes on Political Figures and Dancing
32:17 to 34:04
Light-hearted commentary on political figures and their relatable moments, like dancing.
“I mean, that's just, that is so, uh, such a black and white impulsive kind of, um, attitude.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:04Walter Masterson:All right, joining me today on iHIP News is my friend Walter Masterson. He is a comedian, activist, and you might know him from crashing a pro-Israel rally dressed up as a stormtrooper. Let's play the clip. The Empire.
0:23I would pitch on fire. The Galactic Empire did nothing wrong.
0:31I stand with the Empire. Three Algerians from the Rebel Alliance. It was Mark Carson. People are Algerians. All right.
0:41Walter Masterson:So how did that go over and how did you get the idea to do that? Oh, God, that was, I wanted to sort of cross genres because I feel like a lot of us watch these movies and TV shows and we always understand who the bad guys are. And then suddenly that all goes away. So I just figured, you know what, let me take any genre, take any piece of fiction and just side with the bad guys and justify that. And everyone can hear how dumb that looks. Like we could go back and forth with history. We can talk about Theodore Herzl, but you know what, forget all that. Let's just break it down the way that anyone can understand it.
1:23They'll be like, oh, right. Yeah, we're saving Alderaan. We can figure out how dumb that sounds.
1:29Walter Masterson:I mean, and that's what's so disheartening about the time we're living in. My husband always says this. He always says, it's just so enraging that everybody's celebrating the villain. Yeah. You know, with MAGA, with the war crimes of Benjamin Netanyahu in Israel, it's just people are flagrantly celebrating the bad guys. Oh, yeah. And it's always this sort of, you know, I know you are, but what am I? with any time you're like, well, you called me a fascist. That means you're a fascist. Obviously, that's how fascism works. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And we have to remember that the first person to ever call Trump Hitler was J.D.
2:08Walter Masterson:Vance. Oh, God. I love that. Yeah. I actually have an old interview. I was at the RNC right as the news dropped. So I got to watch their reactions in real time. And I thought, this is perfect, right? Trump announced J.D. Vance as his running mate. And I get to watch all of their reactions and pull them in real time before the talking points come out, before they've been told what to think. And you can find the video. People are a little like, okay. I mean, I guess. Everyone was like, huh. Who do you think they wanted? They wanted Marco Rubio to balance the ticket. Okay. Because Marco Rubio is sort of seen as this, you know, rhino.
3:00He's seen as like marginally MAGA. He's sort of more of the old Republican guard. And they thought, oh, that'll unite the right. And they had other people that they thought for this. What's her name who had the failed Arizona campaign. Carrie Lake. Someone like that.
3:21Walter Masterson:So what's it like? Okay, the RNC, a couple of things stick out to me from that. Number one, everybody putting maxi pads on their ear. Number two, Usha Vance saying that she's a vegetarian to the crowd of MAGA Republicans. And I just, every time I think about MAGA being, or like, I guess it completely fell flat, But I always think about Ted Cruz doing this video where he goes, Kamala, you're not taking away my cheeseburger. And it's, you know, do you remember that clip where Ted Cruz is talking about Kamala? Yeah, it's always, we're trying to take away their gas stoves, their cheeseburgers, light bulbs.
3:59I mean, were you there during Usha Vance's speech? I wasn't there for that, but it tracks because I've been to over 30 Trump rallies. I followed him around and did interviews for years when I first started. And I am clear that no one is listening to what he was saying. No one, because there's so many people going, you know, I really didn't vote for this. And then I'm like, I went to these rallies. I listened to his speech multiple times. And, you know, this is exactly what you voted for. He actually, to his credit, was incredibly honest. He was like, I'm going to deport just everyone. I'm going to set up camp.
4:44There's going to be camps. And he actually was, he laid it out. He's like, I mean, they laid out Project 2025. He held up signs that had mass deportations. Now, I mean, there was everything about it. And having been to these rallies, I don't think anyone was listening. There's sort of a dynamic that happened at those rallies.
5:06Walter Masterson:They would ramble on at these rallies. Sometimes they would go on like two, three hours. Would the people start leaving early? Oh, always, always. Because this is what happened at every rally. They would do this all the time. So they would say that the rally started at 4 p.m., 3 p.m., right? Because they wanted to get everyone in there, right? So these people would get there. And granted, these are in open fields. There's no cover, none. So these people are stacked with no cloud cover, just getting blasted on by the sun. And he's never the opening act. There's always a bunch of people opening for him.
5:49He goes on dead last. Every time, by the time they get to him, people are exhausted. Naturally. I mean, that's because they were supposed to be there hours before. All these people spoke. And by the time he's going on, they're like, all right, you know what? I checked this box. I punched my time card. I saw him. Cool.
6:15Walter Masterson:Put it on my Insta story. Yeah, just did the thing. Okay, what's your take of, I would say somebody who's going to go to a field in bumfuck America to see Trump is a full-blown cultist. Because there's degrees of maggot. I mean, I will. I'm not going to knock him for doing that because the Democratic Party spends just this ungodly, what should be an illegal amount of money, just trying to get voters in those areas. And they make all types of bizarre contortions, ethical contortions. They're like, oh, yeah, well, we can do fracking. Yeah, we can we can have, you know, some ice we can, you know, we'll let ice, you know, shoot people like sometimes.
7:00And then to try they do that to try to get those people in those areas. They'll do everything but go to those areas physically. I agree. So I'm not knocking that. That was genius. He spent years going to these random areas. And these people felt very ignored, which they are, because they don't have money. No one cares about them. And yeah, he's like, hey, I care about you. And they're like, oh, he's our savior. He's the only person to come here and, you know, tell it like it is. So, you know, that as a tactic without spending hundreds of millions on these... Focus groups. Yeah, like, yeah.
7:40Walter Masterson:It's really smart because, you know, I recently moved to New York from Oklahoma City, and I've always been a political junkie. I've hosted more fundraisers for losing Democratic candidates in the state of Oklahoma than anybody. and you feel as a person that is blue in a red state or perhaps red in a blue state or a state that isn't contested at all you feel like a forgotten voter you don't feel like you're a part of the political process and i remember uh in 2016 bernie came i voted for hillary i regret it but bernie came to oklahoma bernie won the state of oklahoma in the democratic primary because he came and he campaigned there.
8:22Walter Masterson:He actually had rallies and people felt seen. And recently, whether you like him or not, Pete Buttigieg went to Tulsa, Oklahoma. And there were some people criticizing that online. And I looked at the comments and all the people in Tulsa were like, we're just glad he came. We're just so glad he's here. We're so glad somebody's paying attention to us. And Democrats abandoning a 50 state strategy is such a horrible idea because what What happens like in Oklahoma right now in the gubernatorial race, you have the Republican primary and whoever wins the Republican primary will win governor. So they out crazy each other.
8:57Walter Masterson:Who can be the most anti-trans? Who can be the most Trumpy? And it is a race to the bottom. And so you get a much more radical Republican party because of the Democrats. Even if you don't win in these states, you need to have a presence. a presence. You need to let people feel like they're a part of the process because eventually Democrats have started to invest in Texas and it's trending purple. I mean, it is definitely heading that way. So what is your take on the people at the rally? Take us into the psychology of, of these, of these people that go to a Trump rally for hours on end. Oh God.
9:35Um, here we go. So, I mean, yeah, there's, there's definitely like a cultishness to it. And And these people have never been a part of something. So a lot of people come there and they feel a sense of community. And the community starts when you put on the MAGA hat. It's like, oh, welcome. You know, you're wearing a MAGA hat. You're one of us. You're in the club. That's why I originally went there years ago wearing a MAGA hat, interviewing people, because visually that's all they cared about. It was like, oh, okay. You're wearing the MAGA hat? Cool. That's it. And then they, and then you feel like you're apart and it doesn't, I mean, there are, I don't want to say like, I don't want to say it's like diverse, but I mean, you see, it's like, there's like two black people there.
10:27You go, no, okay. Right. And, you know, and no one's, everyone's like, oh, well, you know, they're, that's, that's, that's good enough for me in terms of numbers, you know, that's, let's not get too much here. Right. And they're like, oh, good. And they always point to them saying, well, if we're racist, then why are they here?
10:47Walter Masterson:So they talk about race a lot. Well, I actually, Jolly Good Ginger, early on, he went with me to these things. He very much told me, he said, do not say the word racism because it's like waving red in front of a bull. Because I made the mistake in an interview talking about racism, just the word itself. And this guy absolutely lost it. His fangs came out and Jalika Ginger's on the sidelines laughing. He's like, I could have told you not to use that word around them. And it was a very amicable conversation until I mentioned that. I was like, noted. So it's like they've been, you know, propagandized of like, you know, racism.
11:32I think it all goes into like racial capitalism of like, well, if we acknowledge the black people, if we acknowledge them, it's all going to take away from us. It's going to take away from our piece of the pie, this small piece that we have.
11:48Walter Masterson:Well, and also I think it's the bargain that they get. Like, you're not going to get higher wages and you're not going to get healthcare, but you're going to get to be racist. We're going to give you that. You're going to get that. And And Trump has really delivered that for them. I mean, it is completely untethered. I want to show you a clip of some crazy shit that Trump is doing this week and get your reaction. Let's do this. These people have unbelievable courage, unbelievable. A lot of other things too, by the way, to get in there, you have to be very smart, have to do a lot of things physically good.
12:22So I would have had no trouble making it and physically very, very good. Maybe a little bit of a problem. I don't know. We'll have to try it sometime. Is a president allowed to go up in one of these missions? We can get working on that. We have no problem, right? We'll launch more rockets. The opportunity. We'll have to try it. Oh, my God. That is such, you know what? I got to say, I totally agree with Donald Trump. I think he should totally go up to space. And you know who should be in charge of it? Elon Musk. Elon Musk.
12:55Walter Masterson:That is so brilliant. After watching him manage Twitter. I think he should be in charge of taking all the billionaires and Trump administration officials into space. I think that's, you know, I mean, listen, if you have any doubts, just look at what he's done with Twitter and prove me wrong. Am I right? I think that's exactly right. That's incredible. Yeah. I particularly like how he manages child support and baby mama issues on Twitter. I mean, you know, that's like one-stop shopping. I own the website. I can deal with all of my offspring and their moms. If you're Elon Musk, he can do all of his white supremacy.
13:37Walter Masterson:He's been retweeting full-blown Nazi shit. He's always did it before, but now it's like 800 times higher these last two weeks. If you can imagine, he's gotten worse. Oh, wait, it got worse the past two weeks? Yeah. Yeah. I talked to a scholar, and she has a theory on this. She has a theory that the tech industry's investment into J.D. Vance has not been what they thought it was going to be because J.D. Vance is face planning because Trump's rat-fucking him every chance he can get. He's like, yeah, you go to Pakistan. You go campaign for Orban. You're the fraud czar. So Trump's rat-fucking Vance, right?
14:16Walter Masterson:And all of the tech oligarchs are like, oh, fuck, we paid a lot of money for him to be vice president. And they're all having like a mass psychotic episode right now because their investment is unraveling before their eyes and i'm here for it yeah i also think they they have a better plan than what i think biden had was they're keeping their whereas the democratic party kind of sequestered kamala then when it was time for her to actually run and do something it's like where have you been whereas they're keeping jd vance very front and center because they know donald trump's got very limited time left.
14:52I mean, they could throw the constitution in the trash and then just have Trump do a third term, but they're like, yeah, we don't know about this. He's any day now and JD Vance has got to be ready to take the helm. And so they have him very visible. The only problem is he doesn't have any, there's no way for him to say, oh, hey, I disagreed with Trump so much because he's basically working hand in glove with him.
15:20Walter Masterson:Totally. Okay, here's another clip of Trump making fun of a NASA administrator's ears. I love this. Well, the best man to tell you that is a man standing right over here. You heard that question? With those beautiful ears of yours? He's got great hearing, you know, super. He's got super hearing. Trick of the trick, sir. For those of you that are listening, the guy has very large, out-of-scale ears. That's very consistent because Trump has been phenomenal at coming up with middle school insults for people. I mean, the way he trashed DeSantis was just, I mean, putting fingers, all that stuff. I mean, phenomenal.
16:03Walter Masterson:Yeah. So, I mean, that's just consistent. I mean, right. I mean, he hasn't, that's still his biggest superpower. Oh, I agree. Middle school nicknames for people. Totally. The only person who beats him in that, I think, or rivals him is Curtis Sliwa. Oh, yeah. Curtis Sliwa is great. Curtis Sliwa is like, hmm. Yeah. Okay. If you're like me, you pick on the right and the left, which we both do. Bipartisan. Yes. Yes. Yeah. So here's a clip of you interrupting New York moderate Democratic Tom Swatzee. Let's play the clip for the audience. Moderate. I'm going to read the names of the nine people that were killed by ICE this month.
16:41I'm reading names of people killed by ICE. You're going to touch me? Yeah. You're going to touch me. Alex Freddie, Renee Goode, Keith Porter, Bernie Laha. These people were killed by ICE this month. Nine people were killed by ICE this month. And you're throwing me out while I'm reading their names? You are funding our occupation. Tell me how good you made a mistake. Tell Alex Freddie you made a mistake.
17:07Walter Masterson:So when you go in and do these, you have, so when they take out one protester, you have another that pops up. Yeah. What's it called? Popcorn disruption. And you're really great at this because it's like they get one and then another pops up, then another. Yeah. And then they finally get the hang of it by like the sixth or seventh person. And they're like, oh, okay. I see how this works. So this congressman, if I remember correctly, there's this theory or it's kind of been proven that the Democrats deploy a rotating villain strategy where they don't whip the votes. They are not a full opposition party.
17:41Walter Masterson:And so they'll be like, okay, y 'all are going to have to take this hickey. You're going to take it. Oh yeah, like Jared Golden with voting for the Iran war. And Swazi, I believe he funded right before these killings, he voted to fund ICE. Is that right? Yeah. And so that's why you went there to call him out. Yeah. And it's funny is that this is in a synagogue. He held his town hall in a synagogue. Okay. Which, okay. I mean, this is a town hall. It's in a synagogue. It's not during a religious service. I had some misgivings about that because I don't necessarily like going into a religious institution.
18:20Right. But the people that were in the synagogue, those are his constituents. They agree with him on things like Israel and all that stuff. If you look at the rest of the video, they start calling him out too. They're like, yeah, no, you're on the wrong side of history. Get back on the right side here. And they start screaming at him for this. after we started, they were like, yeah, we're here because you messed up, pal. And then he, there's like a full video of this live stream there when he starts being like, hey, you're acting like those Palestine protesters right now to his own constituents.
18:59And I was like, oh, that's good. That's so good. Calling his own constituents, which were like vehemently pro-Israel and they're calling him out. And he's like, hey, you're acting like one of those Palestinian people right there. Cut it out. And I was like, oh, well played, sir.
19:18Walter Masterson:Let's talk about this, Walter. Sometimes, and this is something I think the Democratic voter base needs to be made aware of. So a politician like Tom Swasey lives in a very blue district and he's given this benefit by virtue of having a D behind his name, because voters are not super engaged all the time. We have lives, we have shit we want to do, et cetera. Not everybody's just nut political junkies like you, me, and the listener. And so they think, oh yeah, I'm going to vote for the D. Sometimes - Don't check under the hood. Sometimes under the hood, they vote a lot like ours. And I've read some stuff that, you know, it's almost like this is an intentional plant, politicians like Swazi that go into these blue districts, and then they just deliver corporate policy for corporations, much like the Supreme Court is doing right now, over and over again.
20:15Walter Masterson:And what's your take on like where we need to be? Like right now, I feel like we're approaching a primary, we need to be really critical of our party, especially the corporate ones. But then as we gear up towards the midterms, the primaries are over. What are your thoughts on supporting like vote blue, no matter who, after that? I cannot wait for someone to win their primary that is very far to the left, that has a lot of problematic views against Israel and so on. And I would love to pull those same vote blue, no matter who people be like, Hey, come on. Where is it? You know, Janet Mills just dropped out.
20:57Yeah. Vote blue no matter who, baby.
21:00Walter Masterson:Come on. Then it's got to be Graham Plattner, right? Yeah. I do feel like I like Graham Plattner. When he speaks, we share the same politics, all of that. It is frustrating that he had a Totenkopf tattoo for all those years. He was a Blackwater freelancer for a while. And I'm fully aware though, I'm just going to say it, if this was a Republican and it was like, oh, I didn't know what this Totenkopf tattoo would be all over it. We'd be like, yeah, okay, moron. Sure. You're right. So I do think we can hold his feet to the fire on that because I know exactly how I would feel if someone gave this like, oh, this tattoo?
21:48I mean, what is it really? I mean, just... That's a really fair take, Walter.
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21:53Walter Masterson:I mean, it really is because it's a difficult... When he speaks, I'm with you. I really like what he speaks about. And I do believe in political evolution. The co-host to this podcast, Angie, she was a Republican, white, evangelical Bible study mom. And now she's full blown woke and, you know, goes further and further left. The more she learns, the further left she goes. So I know that this is happening and this is happening everywhere. But I do agree that this is going to be a place where when they cram the vote blue, no matter who down our throats, Janet Mills has just dropped out. Graham Plattner's there.
22:31Walter Masterson:So what are they going to do? Vote for Susan Collins? Yeah. Right. It's like, yeah, go for it. Yeah. It's very concerning. Yeah. Or just, I mean, also, you know, as far as for like the left, there's a lot of people that are very disillusioned by this electoral process. And my thing is like, you need to show up for primaries. If you don't show up for primaries, then if you're showing up for election day, it's way too late. Yeah. Because they've nominated someone that is just not very likable. and I feel like that is sort of on the ballot this year for the primaries and the midterms is can someone be very progressive and still win because that's been the wisdom forever I mean what's his name you know Clinton's old advisor you know it wasn't until Momdani won where he took out a NYT op-ed and was like hey I was wrong I kept saying to go to the center I think Democrats should have this populist message of economic rage.
23:37And this is, what's his name? He was famous. Rahm Emanuel? No, no, no. He was Carville. James Carville. Oh, James Carville. James Carville did an NYT op-ed. And this is the same guy who goes on CNN, goes on MSNBC. Anytime some corporate backed establishment dem loses, he's the first to go up there and be like, yeah, that guy was too woke. Meanwhile, it's someone that, it's like beyond, they're like hawkish, they're pro-Israel, hawkish, corporate backed, their campaign cost$50 million. And he's just like, yeah, a little too woke. That's probably why they won. Probably why the Republicans won. And he kept saying that wasn't until Zoran won, And then he's like, huh, maybe this, you know, having two separate parties thing, maybe they're onto something with this.
24:32And so I think that is what's at stake with the primaries and with the general election is, cause they kept, they'll keep saying the establishment Democrats, I mean, you know, it's nice to be progressive, but you're not gonna win with that, right? You gotta really be hawkish and, you know, support ICE and Israel. Don't you think that's - Billionaires and all this stuff, if you want to win, you know, in those states. Right.
24:57Walter Masterson:So we didn't get to have a primary in 2024. Yeah. And for 2028, I think we'll be able to have a primary if Donald Trump doesn't like, I don't know, nuke us or something, which based on the evidence that I've seen thus far. Fingers crossed. He's rather unhinged. But let's assume that we get there hypothetically. And, you know, I like to make people go viral for asking hypothetical questions about the 2028 election. Hypothetically, who is your front runner? Okay. So I think I was going to vote for Jill Steinberger for St. Louis, Missouri's alderman position. And then for the St. Louis City Council.
25:40Let me see. So wait, are we just talking about the president? Just the president. Oh, God. God. I mean, I know it's over 900 days away, but we really need to get excited about Gavin Newsom. I know there hasn't been a primary. I know we haven't lined up all the candidates. It hasn't even been a debate or anything like that. But listen, we need to just get excited about Gavin Newsom, all right? That's not how democracy works. You don't just wait till the primary and and pick your favorites, okay? You have to get excited about Gavin Newsom right now. I know he's unpopular in a lot of other states and there's a lot against him and I know he's really not gonna galvanize a lot of voters and stuff, but you have to get excited.
26:28That's just how this works. I'm sorry. Otherwise you're a bad person. Yeah.
26:34Walter Masterson:And not a real Democrat. No, no, no. Listen, my philosophy is this. If the election was two weeks away, two months away, I'd be like, oh, my God, Gavin Newsom, he just released a new meme. Did you see his new meme? He dropped a new meme. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Nancy Pelosi. What a girl boss. What a feminist icon. Hakeem Jeffries. What a fighter, that guy. I mean, if we were on the eve of the election. Right, right. But we're not. This is the off season. We can talk shit. I don't care. Totally, we can shit talk. You know, if a songbiker got up here like a week before the election and was like, I don't know, then I'd be like, all right, forget this.
27:23I'm, you know, I'm siding with Israel on this one.
27:27Walter Masterson:So at the end of the day, though, are you a harm reduction voter? Yeah. I'm voting for someone compared to who they're running against. So like the same way I just interviewed Tom Steyer in California. What do you think about him? Okay. So there's two glaring things that he's never served in public office and he's a billionaire. Okay. Like the billionaire thing is nasty. You think the most for the pretty red flag? And that turns a lot of people off immediately. Okay. People are like, I don't, I've had friends. It doesn't turn me off. Yeah, I'm judging and based on who he's running against. Right now, I think that California has like a jungle primary where it's the two top votes go to the general election and he's neck and neck with a Republican.
28:15Do I want a Republican to be the governor of California? Absolutely not. No way. So if it's between the two of them, if Becerra was gaining in the polls, that's actually not a bad matchup, him and Becerra. Okay. I'm not thrilled with Becerra, with he taking money from Chevron multiple times. There's a lot of good things about him as well. So that's it. I'm biased also because his number one issue is climate. is fighting climate change.
28:53Walter Masterson:It's dire. Yeah. And meanwhile, our governor, Kathy Hochul, is behaving like a Republican. She dumped a pipeline in New York. She's trying to gut our climate law, everything. So she's, I mean, she's awful in that regard. So when I met him the other week, I was like, oh my God, someone who cares about the climate and that's their top issue. Oh my God, like I'm so starved for people to talk about the right things. I know we are so desperate. Like the bar is so low for me. I'm like, oh, oh my God.
29:30Walter Masterson:But you liked him. I do. I do like him. And if there's, I like him. And I also understand that he is a billionaire. And I, that, that part to me is sort of like the, you know, I even felt weird after the interview. I was like, I didn't like the guy. Did you feel like he needed to exfoliate? I was like, he is a goddamn billionaire. You know what? So it is like a, like, right? Like, because I'm aware that if this was a Republican billionaire running, you know, I would see this exact, I'd be like, you're here. See, that part doesn't bother me. Because like, if you look at like Mackenzie Scott Bezos, she's a billionaire.
30:11Walter Masterson:And she's just making money and investing money to give it away as fast as you can. Impact investing. It's the system that created these billion mayors that's so problematic. Do I hate Elon Musk? Fuck yes. Peter Thiel, Mark Zuckerberg, who went on Joe Rogan and said he felt like Joe Biden neutered him and he was so glad masculine and he was like, what a pussy, right? So of course these guys are just wholly unlikable. But I think we have to be cautious as Democrats. Yes, there is an eat the rich appetite out there. But if there is a benevolent billionaire that is willing to say, tax me, this system is broken.
30:49Walter Masterson:I'm here to work with working people, then we shouldn't just be like, eh. One of the best examples of that is Shoikot Chakrabarti. Yeah. He's running for Nancy Pelosi's seat. He's running against a pro-Israel Zionist who's corporate best. The last name is Wiener, right? Scott Wiener. Yeah. And meanwhile, Shoikot had a tech exit early on. So he's worth an incredible amount of money. Yeah, he's very rich. But he has spent the last decade, he was the chief of staff for AOC. He started Justice Democrats, which puts people like AOC against establishment Democrats. I mean, that was their primary purpose is to unseat and primary these establishment Democrats.
31:41I mean, he's done a lot of great things. And who he's running against, I don't like. right is like very establishment very it's like everything that we don't like uh so that is so if we're able to dismiss shoicot outright was very frustrating to me because i'm like here's we know exactly who he's running against who he's running against it's very clear who that what this
32:05Walter Masterson:race is about i yeah i just think we have to be cautious as we move forward and we're remaking the party that back to like an FDR party that we can't just hate rich people. I mean, that's just, that is so, uh, such a black and white impulsive kind of, um, attitude. I mean, we can't hate them. No, we can't, we can, but the system rocks at them. The system is what is so bad. And, uh, if there are like shy caught and I mean, I, I haven't, I've listened to Tom, mainly i've seen this video of him doing uh he was like dancing with a rapper have you seen this tom steyer kylie you know what i'm talking about where he's yeah and um but i don't i mean i don't know i don't follow local california politics that much i mean obviously the whole eric swabble thing you know followed all that if i can show that was also i mean how quaint he resigned over a scandal Immediately.
33:07Walter Masterson:Did y 'all find this video of Tom?
33:26I'm kind of into it. You know what? Listen, A for effort here.
33:31Walter Masterson:That's what I think. Whenever we see a white person just dancing, I think we just need to encourage it more. I've got a wedding coming up and I want people to be dancing. I mean, I've come from a white family and they're sort of like, they get on the floor, they dance, they're like, and then they're like, yeah, okay. like and then you you take the song you switch songs and then they're like whoa whoa this isn't abba like i don't know i can't sing along to this gotta go and then they evacuate the dance floor so you know i'll allow it walter masterson thank you for stopping by hip news please go harass maggot and make more of your popcorn my my harassment is bipartisan thank you very much It is.
34:24Walter Masterson:You're exactly right. It is. I stand corrected. I apologize. Thank you for coming by. Thank you so much. Oh, thank you for having me. Yes, of course. All right.
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