Trump Dumps JD Vance; Major Sabotage As He Faceplants Internationally

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1:11All right, joining me today on iHip News is one of my favorite truth tellers and my good friend. She is the co-host of The Majority Report. Welcome to our new New York studio, Emma Vigeland. How are you?

1:23Emma Vigeland:I am doing well. It is so beautiful here. I love this studio. I feel warm and cozy. There's nice pink. Like this is the female energy that I need and I don't get on The Majority Report. Thank you for saying that because I thought in a world of toxic masculinity, I wanted a pink studio. I wanted to like exude kind of female energy. And you do interior design work, so I shouldn't have expected anything less that it was going to look really nice in here. I have some great news. Erica Kirk and J.D. Vance are going to run it back. After the Georgia debacle, where J.D. Vance showed up by himself, and then Erica Kirk was like, I'm not going, there's nobody there.

2:05They have decided to do this. this is the turning point featuring jd vance and erica kirk get free tickets free free tickets april 30th iowa state university and then here's what happened the last time these two tried to do it together um let's play the video so as you can see tens of people showed up this was georgia and

2:28Emma Vigeland:i played this video on our show too and you can hear almost like the echoing in the arena because no one is there. And Erica Kirk had canceled for that event because she said she had security concerns. It turns out they may have gotten the wind that the attendance might not be so great. And so J.D. Vance just had to show up himself, you know, the second act, the vice president of the United States. Yeah. And I mean, I think I love when bad things happen to bad people. And J.D. Vance's international face plant lately, Victor Orban, jilted at the altar there in Georgia by Erica Kirk, Trump sending him over to Pakistan, just rat fucked him like crazy, knowing he could not get a deal with the Iranians.

3:14I love how much I cannot stand Trump. I hate all of the stuff he does, but I like how he's rat fucking Vance. He does not want him to be his heir apparent.

3:23Emma Vigeland:I like that. I like it too. Well, it's honestly kind of reminiscent a little bit of what Biden did to Kamala Harris, just to say like, you know, when he was sending her down to the border to be the border czar when she was saying, do not come here. I mean, immigration, they perceived as a difficult issue for them, the Biden administration. So he saddled Kamala Harris with that. This is something that presidents sometimes do, but Trump is just way more explicit about it. And, you know, it's also super acute because Trump is the one that is sabotaging the negotiations. Part of what the Iranians are saying is like, hey, we will deal with you in good faith, even though you are losing this war, but you have to stop with these public threats.

4:05Emma Vigeland:But Trump is constitutionally incapable of not making himself the center of everything. And he's so worried about the fact that they are losing this war, that he's trying to triple down on the optics of saying like, we've got them in the corner and it's sabotaging the negotiation. So I get some pleasure out of JD Vance having to deal with this because this is exactly who you signed up to be in office with you made a deal with the devil now deal with it i know i i absolutely love it i love the uh announcement that he's catholic via the book with the methodist church on the cover and now he's having to fight publicly with the pope i eat that up okay i want to talk to you about what's kind of happening on the left right now so i'm new to the scene pumps in me we're three and a half years into this and one thing i found so awesome about left leaning media is how welcoming everybody is.

4:57You and Sam at the majority report, so welcoming, embraced us. Another person that embraced us very early on when we were total MSNBC libs, living out at the DNC was Hassan Piker. Came on, invited us to LA to go on his show. He's been on our show and just, we didn't agree on everything, but he embraced, oh, these women are liberal and they're trying to fight a good fight. And I want to build a coalition with them. We're on like week, I don't know what, of this massive meltdown about Hassan. And I want to show you some of the headlines from just the past week. Pop these up. Democrats need to take more risks.

5:34This one isn't worth it. Hassan Piker is political poison for Democrats. And the next one, Hassan Piker, too toxic for Democrats. And then the last one, Hassan Piker is the enemy. And here's my thing with the people that are behind this, and I don't know who it is. If you want to cancel Hassan, like just don't watch him. But the bed wedding, the weeks long bed wedding is, proves his point to his millions of people that watch his stream, that the Democrats are completely a static, non-moving, fixed entity that will not listen to anybody else. And it has to be their way or the highway.

6:17Emma Vigeland:Yeah. And I think that Hassan being in the news like this too is a way for them to engage in Islamophobia in races like with Abdul Al-Sayed in Michigan without having to go at the candidate directly. And that's something that needs to be just completely eliminated from the Democratic Party. We saw it with Zoran Mamdani. After he won the primary, Kirsten Gillibrand, one of the senators from New York, said that he was going to usher in global jihad. And she had to walk that statement back, but it just goes to show how normalized Islamophobia is and how pervasive it has been. And yeah, Hassan is immensely influential and that's what scares them.

6:58Emma Vigeland:So they can't decide if he's politically toxic and he's going to sink all the campaigns that he supports, or if he's so popular that they need to be afraid of him. And I really think it's the latter. They are trying to go on the offensive to make sure that they can discredit Hassan during this period of grassroots energy in the Democratic Party, because he's talking about things. He's to the left of even me. He's a socialist and he talks about these values with passion and he's going to Yale and he's going all across the country. And that's a threat to them. The the capitalists, the the class of people that were funding things like TPUSA, they're used to being in control of the narrative in that way because the money is always on their side.

7:44Emma Vigeland:But, you know, Hassan made good money on his own and he can do what he wants. And that's the thing I'm most envious about with him, with his career, where he could just like pick up and go anywhere and he can support what causes he wants to. And that freedom and the fact that he has a megaphone like that, it terrifies them because it's not just about being anti-Zionist or critical of Israel's genocide. It's that if you are on that side of things and you are brave on that issue, it means that you're threatening to the power structure in a variety of different ways, because that means you're going to stand up to moneyed interests in that way.

8:16Emma Vigeland:So you'll probably support increasing the minimum wage, taxing the hell out of billionaires, Medicare for all, a Green New Deal. And those are programs that will require systemic changes to our tax code that they're going to really freak out a lot of wealthy people. And so that's why Hassan, I think, presents such a threat to them. Well, and then let's talk about, they won't stop, this one guy named Ethan somebody. I would like to his Twitter stream and it's just like obsession with Hassan. And he's like talking about Hassan being toxic. And I'm like, your obsession seems kind of toxic. It's psychosexual and pretty gay, I got to say.

8:52Emma Vigeland:Totally. And then, okay, here's my thing too. Okay. Play the tape through. All right. You want to cancel Hassan canceling the stuff that he believes in still remains. And there's a tent that needs to absorb that. Uh, my sons listened to Hassan and I asked my son, Oh, I said, Oh, they're going after me because I'm mom. They've been going after Hassan for years. I was like, do you agree with everything he said? He goes, no, I don't agree with anything. Any commenter on the planet says. That's the way MAG is. We're not like that, mom. And I have a lot of agreement with Hassan, but what I like about Hassan is how inclusive he was when we first came on the podcasting scene.

9:31He knew we were garden variety liberals that watched MSNBC and liked to live out. And he was like, okay, let's build a coalition here. Here are the things we have in common. Have you thought about this? Have you thought about that so let's say he gets canceled and then you have all of these million or so or more gen z ding ding ding the people who the democratic party needs that are like you canceled him well

9:54Emma Vigeland:then where the are we supposed to go i guess some people who are a little more feeble-minded may go to someone like nick fuentes or someone like that or i don't know enough i'm even like a little bit too uh out of touch with the streamers but but there are a lot of like anti-semites right now on social media that are not steering people towards a vision of egalitarianism. They're critiquing Israel in a way that is mostly focused on the Israelis as opposed to say like Palestinian liberation where Hassan always directs the conversation back to liberation for all people. But that's I think like your conversation with him when you had like this open dialogue and I I saw an excerpt of a more recent one too when you discussed Gavin Newsom.

10:37Emma Vigeland:Yeah. And that is a conversation that needs to be had. Yes. And the Democratic Party doesn't want it to happen because they want to win their way once again. And frankly, I didn't used to think this way, but I do think it now. They would rather lose than us win our way. And they would rather lose elections, in my view, then change course and actually embrace the Hassan wing, the anti-Zionist wing, the left wing vision of a future here that would actually kind of maybe change the power structure. And also, you know, a lot of these people, these consultants, they are invested in the system because it's literally what pays them.

11:19Emma Vigeland:So if we get rid of all of this kind of like hyper-targeting data-driven stuff, and if it's not based in ads, and I don't know which pop star can appear at the Kamala Harris rally, and it's a people power thing, like how Zoran won, where you bring more people into the electorate. You don't just trim along the margins, you create a mass movement. That's not very profitable to consultants. And so they're really worried that the people are going to be more powerful than the money. And so they want to foreclose the conversation before it even happens. So the fact that you circumvented that and had that with Hassan, more of that should be happening.

11:54Emma Vigeland:I'm trying to do that myself as well. Well, I think there's really important conversations to be had. And here's just a question I'm going to propose to you. Who do you think is more toxic to the Democratic Party? Chuck Schumer or Hassan Piker? You know what I'm going to say. It's 20 times out of 10. It's chuckles. Oh my gosh. It's not even close. Not even close. He's a sitting senator. He is an absolute abject failure of a leader. There's zero opposition party. He is a, I used to say fascist collaborator. Now I'm dropping the collaborator part and I'm just going to say fascist. And he actually has real power and he votes with MAGA and MAGA aligned financial interests.

12:37And the freak out of whoever all of these people are, I'm sure it's probably that Greenblatt with the ADL, whoever these nuts are, that their entire Twitter feed is just completely the most homosocial Twitter feed I've ever seen where they're just completely laser focused on Hassan. I'm like, okay, cancel him. Don't watch his stream. It's just not that big of a deal.

12:58Emma Vigeland:They're as hysterical as segregationist Southerners. They're as hysterical as the Confederates that spoke about truly, like when they speak about Muslim people, it's a complete racist derangement that I don't think that we have fully reckoned with how toxic that has been. And I mean, that's a big part of also, you know, Zoran selling democratic socialism to the country is immensely important and how government can work for people. You actually try to deliver and don't just make excuses all the time. But also I think he's breaking down some of these really deeply held Islamophobic beliefs. Like I'm sure you watched 24 at some point after 9-11.

13:37Emma Vigeland:Like I just think about all of the material that was telling us how scary Muslim people are. I fell prey to it. Right. I mean, I fell prey to ambient Islamophobia. But one thing I'm going to say as a mother that I'm grateful for is like my older son, he's in law school now, but he listens to Hassan while he was like gaming and stuff. And there was a message in there about human rights, a message in there about the pitfalls of capitalism and how it leaves working class people behind. And the result of this, and I'm not saying it's all Hassan, but my husband and I are shallow, pretentious, vapid.

14:16We like to go shopping. We like to buy designer shit. It's horrible. I'm not proud of it, but guilty as charged. Come on.

14:21Emma Vigeland:We're all just trying to be happy. My son is always like, oh, like he'll say to my husband, like, dad, I don't have a face serum and I don't need those designer clothes. He thrifts. He does all of these like cool, good things that when I was 22, 23, I never would have thought about these things. I wouldn't have had such a social conscience. So it's so insane to me that the Democratic Party doesn't take the message that, look, this is a person that represents a portion of our electorate that we desperately need. We don't agree with everything. And I hope that they don't agree with everything I say and everything you say, because otherwise we're like MAGA cultists.

15:04but I just think it's so insane and I I'm so sick of it and I'm really fearful of their misread on how many it's not just like my son's demographic but how many like what middle-aged white women I know oh my gosh totally full-blown going much much further left than they realize and they hate toxic Chuck Schumer and they like us on bring bring Chuck Schumer back into this I mean there

15:31Emma Vigeland:was just a vote on Bernie Sanders is, and I bring this back to the genocide in Gaza frequently, because it's a passion project of mine. But I also think like where this disconnect is with leadership and young people, you can draw really back to this because, you know, Chuck Schumer became the leader of the Democrats in 2016. And he did not support the Obama brokered nuclear deal, the JCPOA, which was a peace deal with Iran that was immensely successful, where we had third-party monitors that would go in and monitor their uranium enrichment, and also we unfroze their assets. And Trump came in, listened to Benjamin Netanyahu in that lobby, and scrapped it.

16:10Emma Vigeland:And that's part of why we're in this situation today, because the Israelis wanted more war. And Chuck Schumer was a Democrat that did not support that. He went against the president at the time and said, I do not support this peace deal with Iran. He got rewarded by being the leader of the Democrats in the Senate. And now here we are today. Chuck Schumer is one of seven Democratic senators that just voted against that Bernie Sanders bill to block bulldozers that were sent to Israel, these industrial-style caterpillar bulldozers that are destroying homes in the West Bank and paving over evidence of likely hundreds of thousands of unaccounted for dead bodies in Gaza destroying genocide evidence.

16:47Emma Vigeland:And Chuck Schumer just supported that. And by the way, I think only seven or eight percent of Democrats per poll in August of last year support Israel's military action in Gaza. So the leader of the Democrats in the Senate went against 80 percent of his own caucus to support Israel, and he went against around 90 percent of his own elected base. And we're not even talking about independents who are way closer to those numbers than the Republicans are. Republican boomers are buoying support for Israel. But Chuck Schumer came into politics as a creature of big money. And the Democrats made a conscious choice with making him leader to go more in that direction.

17:26Emma Vigeland:For as much as they talk about how, oh, we can't extrapolate Zoran's win to the rest of the country. That's from liberal New York City. Well, then why are the leaders of the Democrats in the Senate and the House both from New York? And you know why? Because they're fundraisers. And since Citizens United, when money was equated to speech and any encumbrance upon or or any restrictions on moneyed speech would be considered a First Amendment violation. There has been such an explosion of dark money where over, you know, it was like 1.4 billion or something in dark money was spent in 2024. We have no idea where that came from.

18:02Emma Vigeland:And so it caused the Democrats to reorient themselves towards a party that prioritized fundraising over people power. But the Republicans will always win the capitalist money. They will always win that battle. We are literally in a rigged game that's against the Democrats, and we have leadership that's invested in the game continuing to be rigged. And so it needs to change for fascism to actually be defeated here, and it's not a foregone conclusion whatsoever. Sorry if that was long. No, I think it's so helpful because I think this is at the crux of the conversations we need to have, like the conversation I had with Hassan.

18:39How would you vote if this corporate Democrat came up? We need to have critical thinking conversations. And then the people on the Internet that wet the bed afterwards, they need to go, why am I so adverse to having a conversation? And so what you've identified here is chuckles, you know, die hard, stand Israel. stand. Hassan, I don't want to fund. The majority of Democrats do not want to fund a genocide. For me, and I've spoken about this with you both privately and on shows, there's been an awakening for me to what's happening in Gaza. And now in Lebanon, let's pop up this headline from yesterday, Sky News breaking, the body of Lebanese journalists has been found under the rubble after an Israeli strike in Emma.

19:33This shit is so disturbing. It's kids, it's medics, and they don't hit the medics once. They hit it two, three times to make sure they killed him. Or if there are people going to help give medical assistance, they double tap or triple tap. They're killing journalists. I don't know what number we're up to now, but I know it's in the hundreds. and all of these things seem to come back to this one thing. Why do people hate Hassan? Because Hassan exposes the war crimes and the genocide of Israel. Why does Chuck Schumer, why is he so unpopular? Because he supports the war crimes of Israel and the genocide.

20:19And when I think about when I would take my youngest son to these rural towns in Oklahoma, because he was an AAU basketball player and varsity basketball player. She'd go to these just Trump dump towns. And this guy got out of a pickup truck one day and it said, his t-shirt said, Jesus strong, Trump tough. Hell yeah. Yeah. Fuck yeah, baby. Right. And so, and there's Trump flags everywhere. And I think about those working class people that have always had to pay their fair share in taxes. Their wages have never gone up, ever. Paying to fund the execution, intentional execution of children, that BBC shit where you know they targeted here and here.

21:02And then recently this week, the only thing Benjamin Netanyahu seems to have punished Israeli soldiers for is for hitting a statue of Jesus and not being or killing kids. And then I find out they've trained these dogs to anally prisoners. And I am just like, what in the actual fuck that we can't talk about this. And then you're going to come the audacity to look me in the face and say, I'm a bigot for standing up for human rights and for the wellbeing of children. It's just, there is a psychosis around this issue that makes me insane because Emma, we have to tell the truth. If we want to fight bigotry, we have to tell the truth.

21:44And hiding this and covering this up and attacking people who support human rights and oppose genocide is just, history is going to record where we all are on this. And I just, I cannot believe the moral rot surrounding this.

22:01Emma Vigeland:That story about the dogs is a real story. It's one of the ones that I almost, it's difficult for me to even repeat because I've heard, you've heard the first person testimony of some of these Palestinian prisoners who have been. There was a Palestinian prisoner that was on camera at one of these torture chambers and you had some IDF soldiers holding up their shields because they were trying to hide it from the camera, but they couldn't fully. And there was a man that was caught raping this prisoner who was a let go. and is not going to face any charges and is now a celebrity on Israeli television.

22:38Emma Vigeland:And you know who is getting prosecuted? You just mentioned that incident, the guy that defaced the Christ statue in Lebanon. And the only reason Bibi is doing that is because the most co-opted group of people on the planet are right-wing evangelical white rapture preppers. He knows where his bread is buttered. pissed off the rapture preppers and so they care more about a statue than they do about human beings the pro-life family the pro-traditional values it's all bullshit they they don't give a shit about all the stuff that trump does but when he posts a picture of himself as jesus they're like oh my god let's clutch our pearls and the same thing with this jesus statue i'm like do you even give a shit about breathing human beings.

23:30Yeah.