In short
The episode argues that Republicans and Donald Trump are laying groundwork to pardon convicted sex trafficker Ghislaine Maxwell to control and suppress damaging “Epstein files” information, including alleged links to Trump. The hosts claim Oversight Chair James Comer’s panel is open to a pardon so Maxwell can share info with Congress, and that Maxwell would name co-conspirators while expressly not naming Trump. They cite Maxwell’s motion to vacate her 20-year sentence and a report that the DOJ received a USB drive with amended filings. Notable examples include Todd Blanche meeting Maxwell alone and Trump’s prior “I’d have to take a look” response to a pardon question.
Guests
Robert Garcia (criticizes any pardon as disrespectful and part of a coverup). Robert Garcia is presented as a commentator/guest; no other guests are clearly identified by name.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOThe Case for Ghislaine Maxwell's Pardon
0:45 to 3:00
Discussion on the Republican openness to pardoning Ghislaine Maxwell and its implications.
“Robert Garcia said the move would be disrespectful to Epstein's victims, plus all Dems opposed it.”
Trump's Calculated Risks
3:00 to 5:00
Analyzing Trump's decision-making process regarding potential pardon actions.
“They want to run cover so that they can get her in front of Congress and she can say Donald Trump had nothing to do with it.”
Maxwell's Role in Covering for Trump
5:00 to 7:30
Exploration of Maxwell's potential testimony and its impact on Trump.
“And so MAGA is not only a party of child supporting and enabling and covering up child rape.”
MAGA's Complicity in Abuse
7:30 to 10:00
Critique of MAGA supporters' reactions to Maxwell and the broader implications of their support.
“If you can't take that and club them upside the head and message that and prevail, then we're fucked.”
Consequences for Victims and Society
10:00 to 12:30
Highlighting the negative impact of political decisions on abuse survivors and societal justice.
“You said this is the end of the Epstein, of your review of the Epstein files.”
The Broader Cover-Up Narrative
12:30 to 14:00
Discussion on the implications of the Epstein case and the cover-up of high-profile abusers.
“All right, Pumps, here is a video of Trump's response when asked last October if he would consider a pardon for Maxwell.”
The Outrage of Inaction on Sex Crimes
14:00 to 14:40
Examines the impact of inaction on prosecuting sex crimes and its effect on survivors.
“We see other jurisdictions in other countries that are opening investigations.”
The Global Pedophile Ring and Political Connections
14:40 to 15:30
Discusses the implications of a global pedophile ring connected to powerful figures.
“They're going to defend the perpetrator.”
Trump's Relationship with Ghislaine and Musk
15:30 to 16:54
Analyzes Trump’s public statements about Ghislaine Maxwell and Elon Musk amidst controversy.
“two Heil Hitlers, and then he got access to all of the American intelligence.”
The Investigation and Its Implications
16:54 to 18:18
Critiques the ongoing investigations and the apparent lack of desire to uncover the truth.
“So we know by just putting all of this shit together, plus the stuff that has leaked, Plus, there's a 13-year-old that signed something over at the DOJ that Trump raped her and punched her.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:04All right, it's going to happen. It's going to happen. They are probably going to pardon Ghislaine Maxwell because there's one thing we know about MAGA. There's one thing we know about MAGA Christians. They are supporters of child pedophilia. They have proven it time and time and time again. The Epstein cover-up has never been more clear as Republicans are now saying they are open to pardoning convicted sex trafficker Ghislaine Maxwell. Pop this up. Oversight Chair James Comer told me members of his panel are open to a pardon for Ghislaine Maxwell so that she would share info with Congress. Robert Garcia said the move would be disrespectful to Epstein's victims, plus all Dems opposed it.
0:53Josh. So you can see, and we talked about this the other day, the seed has been planted for this, right? I mean, it's been subtly brought up and you see the connection between her lawyer, I believe it's Mr. Marcus and Todd Blanche and their relationship. And of course, we know Todd Blanche going and seeing her last summer. But this doesn't come as a surprise. It's certainly not fair. But the part that Trump is going to have to decide upon, and he's got a pretty good track record for this. But Trump always makes calculated risk. He's notorious for that. He'll make a decision and there'll be a lot of blowback to it.
1:35But it's because he thinks that that decision and the net effect benefits him. And this case is no different. Whatever it is, Ms. Maxwell knows, whatever it is she can say, whatever harm could be brought to him, Trump is making a calculated decision that I will fade the heat for granting her a pardon. I'll fade that. I want to get Congress to give me some cover on it like they're doing right now. But I'll fade that heat because in his mind with whatever she can say, it benefits him. There's a net effect for him. And that's exactly what's going on here. Now, it's outrageous. It's from a law enforcement perspective.
2:15You've got this woman convicted and sentenced to 20 years. And the reason why they're going to pardon or grant her clemency is because they want her to share information to Congress. That's why you get out of serving a 20 year sentence. That makes zero fucking sense. Zero sense. She's a co-conspirator. Okay. So unless she's going to bring about eight or 10 or 12 other guys to the table that did this with him, there would be zero incentive to give her clemency or a pardon. Go ahead, Poms. I'm sorry. No, no, no. I interrupted you. Here's the thing. Here's what she brings to the table. She can go in there and name all the co-conspirators, but she will expressly not name Donald Trump.
2:59And that is what they're after. They want to run cover so that they can get her in front of Congress and she can say Donald Trump had nothing to do with it. And then they can take that and run. This is 100 % to cover Donald Trump's ass. And if people are not screaming, particularly MAGA, who's so worried about pedophilia rings and grooming, they are doing this and they're acting like, well, you know, we've all agreed on it. We think it's a good idea. Bullshit. It's the only way Donald Trump and his stupid, incompetent advisors can come up with a way to cover his ass. That's right. I just want to say, it's not just Donald Trump's ass.
3:40He is on the record saying he does not want these files released because it will hurt a lot of his friends. And so the names that will be dribbled out by Ghislaine Maxwell will be approved names via, this is just my opinion, Todd Blanche and Donald Trump. Yeah, and I think the bottom line here is there's a lot of different ways to interpret this. But the bottom line here is that Trump wants to control how this information from Maxwell is disseminated. He wants the control of that. He wants to know the content of it. And then if it cuts against him, he wants to control what she says and muzzle her and use the pardon to do that.
4:20And if she has to sit in prison and say, listen, I'm going to go before Congress. I'm going to lie. I'm going to say that Donald Trump had nothing to do with this. I'm going to say that these Democrats did. I'm going to say whatever it is I have to say to get out of fucking prison, because that's what people do that are serving 240 months in the Bureau of Prisons. They get up there and say whatever the fuck they have to say to get out of the Bureau of Prisons. This is easy. I just want to remind you guys, Maxwell recruited and groomed underage girls as young as 14 to be sexually abused by Jeffrey Epstein and his associates.
4:55And a lot of the survivors said they feel more betrayed by Maxwell because she used a maternal like woman to woman. And they preyed on poor girls. And so MAGA is not only a party of child supporting and enabling and covering up child rape. They are very much an anti-marginalized party too. If you're poor, if you're a poor girl, then you're worthy of us protecting these elites over your poor ass. Multiple Epstein survivors testified that she participated in the abuse herself. She used existing victims to lure in new ones, creating a network of recruiters. She lied repeatedly under oath to help Epstein evade accountability.
5:41She never acknowledged the harm she caused and continues to call herself a scapegoat. And I just want to say this to all the white MAGA Christian women out there that have children. you're continuing support of donald trump because you think your vote is going to help your husband not pay as many taxes and you might get the handbag you want you are supporting now supporting child rape child pedophilia it is the most disgusting thing there is such a brand damage that we have to do to these christian nationalists to these mega christians because it's such a fucking lie that they are so pro-child and so pro-family.
6:26You have Katie Miller out there saying teen pregnancy rates are down. Well, is it any surprise that Katie Miller says that and then she supports this pedophilic president? No, those things live in the same house. Here is Robert Garcia. I'll get you in just a second, Josh. Here's Robert Garcia responding to all of this. Pop this up. That would be a huge step backwards and quite frankly, so disrespectful to the survivors. She is a known abuser. She is a known liar. If the DOJ or oversight Republicans are out there trying to negotiate some sort of pardon, that is not only a huge slap in the face to this investigation to anyone, to the American public, he added, it's part of a massive coverup.
7:09Let me just say that quote right there, that's about a million times softer than it needs to be for what they're doing. And this is a layup for Democrats. So you've got members of Congress on the Republican side basically saying that, hey, we're leaning toward pardoning this child trafficker, child sex trafficker, who's a co-conspirator of Jeffrey Epstein so that we can learn information. If you can't take that and club them upside the head and message that and prevail, then we're fucked. Okay. Then it's F-U-C-K-E-D exclamation point. We're fucked. Okay. So let's get someone competent that can take a picture of these clowns in Congress or Donald Trump or whoever and associate that with child pedophilia.
7:56This isn't hard. And you message that and you say, who cares about kids? And look at what they're doing because there's no way to explain this. If people track this story and follow it and read it, there's no way to explain it. And this comes after Maxwell sent the DOJ a motion to vacate her 20-year sentence. Let's pop this up. Scott McFarland posts, Justice Department has just received a USB drive with filings by Ghislaine Maxwell, which includes an amended motion to vacate her criminal conviction and prison sentence. Trump admin prosecutor says arguments appear duplicative and meritless. pumps?
8:41I just think that if we go back in the long history of how the Epstein files have unfolded, we saw the drawing of Donald Trump in the birthday book for Jeffrey Epstein. He said it wasn't, you know, he didn't do it. He would never do that. And then we learn from very reliable sources, Ghislaine Maxwell is sending those. In my mind, Ghislaine Maxwell gets all this shit together. She sends it to the DOJ. And there's other shit that she wants to make sure the Department of Justice knows that she has so that we can get a pardon moving. Her impatience at being with, you know, in a white collar criminal camp that she is not allowed to be in as a sex offender that Todd Blanche put her in.
9:28I believe this is her saying, time's up. I want more. And the DOJ is now led by the man who interviewed Maxwell last year, Todd Blanche is who I'm talking about, and said this when asked if he'd released the Epstein files that Pam Bondi refused to. So this is Todd Blanche. He's the one who went and met with Ghislaine Maxwell by himself. No witnesses, no note taking, no recordings. Play the clip. You said this is the end of the Epstein, of your review of the Epstein files. So just to clarify, is the public going to learn the identities of the men who abuse the girls with the information that you're releasing?
10:15And if not, why not? And then I have a quick follow up. You just baked in an assumption into your question that I have never said and I don't know to be true. Is the public going to learn about men that abuse these girls? Like, what does that mean? I don't understand what that means. Well, I mean, the men who abused the young women through Epstein's... We said in July, and it remains as true today as it was in July, if we had information, we meaning the Department of Justice, about men who abused women, we would prosecute them, right? We talked about the work that we're doing. That's why I said that.
10:57I said this earlier, there's this built-in assumption that somehow there's this hidden tranche of information of men that we know about that we're covering up or that we're choosing not to prosecute. That is not the case. I don't know whether there are men out there that abuse. I've heard enough. Josh, you have practiced law, criminal defense law. How extraordinary And breathtaking is it to hear the acting attorney general speak this way about sex crimes to children? It's bizarre. And it tells us one thing. So the fix is in here. Okay, this deputy AG that was Trump's personal lawyer that used to be a criminal defense lawyer, who's also good friends with Ms.
11:43Maxwell's lawyer, Mr. Marcus, the fix is in here. And so it's these guys know each other and they're fading heat right now and they're waiting for the appropriate time to do this. And we see today that Congress is laying the groundwork and kind of planting that seed with the public that, hey, this is a possibility. It's unheard of. And it's like I said earlier, if we can't take this, if we can't take this and make this a campaign message about Republicans and their family values and all of their bullshit, then we're in big trouble. And it's disgusting. It's sickening to see. I don't know how else to describe it other than this is a layup for Democrats.
12:34All right, Pumps, here is a video of Trump's response when asked last October if he would consider a pardon for Maxwell. Play the clip. Say it. The Supreme Court is back and they rejected today an appeal by Ghislaine Maxwell to overturn her conviction. That means her only chance of getting out of prison is a pardon for you. Is that something you're - Who are we talking about? Ghislaine Maxwell. uh you know i haven't heard the name in so long i can say this that i'd have to take a look at it i would have to take a look did they reject that she wanted to appeal her conviction and what happened they said that they were not going to hear her appeal i say well i'll take a look at it i'll speak to i will speak to the dj i wouldn't consider it or not consider i don't know anything about it so but i'll speak i will speak to the dj i don't know i mean i'd have to speak to the dj Yeah.
13:26All right, pumps. Okay. Here's the thing about this. Going back to Todd Blanche, I know based on testimony given to the Oversight Committee, Leon Black, Les Wexner, Rothschild, and there's one more that I can't remember off the top of my head, but what the DOJ has failed to do is talk to the survivors and the victims. They have never talked to the victims about the crimes that were perpetrated against them. This is absolute horseshit that there are not other people to prosecute. We see other jurisdictions in other countries that are opening investigations. They are filing charges, but this country won't do it because Trump's fat ass is ass deep in the Epstein files, not to mention all of his butt buddies on the cabinet and donors.
14:19This is It's outrageous. This should not be tolerated by the American people. And I'll tell you what else that tells me. Survivors of sex crimes, this will hurt them. Not just the women in the Epstein files, but women who are abused that think if I come forward, they're not going to believe me. They're going to call it a hoax. They're going to defend the perpetrator. And you look at this and you think, well, no shit. Well, and this is a much bigger cover up than anything we've ever seen. I mean, this is a global pedophile sex ring with constant curing of favor and deference to rich pedophiles from way, way, way back when.
15:05But let me tell you all you need to know about this case. Elon Musk was handed the keys to the United States government right after Trump won. And he took all of his little tech dorks, big balls and the whole lot of them, and they got in to all of the computers of the United States government, the United States Treasury, everything. He had access full reign and he paid$300 million for it, did two two Heil Hitlers, and then he got access to all of the American intelligence. And then he and Trump got in a big fight. And Trump said, you know, like, you're on a bunch of ketamine, you're a nut, you're dragging down my, you know, I've paid off, you did the 300 million, you've been able to go and shut down these investigations into yourself.
15:51You think for a second, Elon Musk and big balls didn't download all this shit. Trump said, yeah, do whatever the fuck you want to do. Trump doesn't care about that stuff. And then Elon Musk, the second they got in a big fight, he takes to Twitter and says, Trump will never release the Epstein files because he is in them. And there's one thing that Trump has said about two different people. Elon Musk, when they got in a big fight, I wish him well. Ghislaine Maxwell, direct quote from Trump, I wish her well. It seems to me that the people who have the most damning information about Trump, this is a guy who is the pettiest old queen on the planet.
16:34He's still mad at the editor of Vanity Fair for an article where they said Trump had small hands some 25, 30 years ago. Still mad about it. He wishes these two people that have called him a child rapist and or eluded, you know, kind of that, oh, he's in here. And he wishes them well. So we know by just putting all of this shit together, plus the stuff that has leaked, Plus, there's a 13-year-old that signed something over at the DOJ that Trump raped her and punched her. And so, I mean, this is just such a massive cover-up. And it goes back to Josh's biggest point. Robert Garcia, I'd love you to pieces, but every single day, every single day, every Democrat should talk about how these MAGA Christians are child rapists and or child rapist supporters because that's what they are.
17:33I want to just say this too. The way that they're conducting this investigation leads only to one conclusion, which is they don't want to find the truth here. I mean, that's obvious they don't want to. We've seen DOJ hunker down and file these bullshit cases against, you know, Lisa Cook and these other people on these mortgages, like looking with a fine tooth comb to find some little thing. And here they have a plethora of information. It's clear they don't want the answers to this. It's clear what's going to happen here. And if Democrats can't seize upon that, we're in a big world of shit. Like if we can't do that, because they're laying the seed today and they have in the past for her to get a pardon and clemency.
18:20And then they're going to hope this thing just goes away. And if we let it go away, we're letting our future go away as well. Okay, that's all we have. Make sure you like, subscribe and everywhere on social media that you can. Make sure you point out to all of these MAGA Christians that they are an anti-family, pro-pedophilia death cult. Say it frequently, say it often because it is true. We'll see you all later. Thank you.
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