Trump Hiding In Shame As He's Deemed A Failure & Hegseth Self-Destructing

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0:35All right, joining me today on IHIP News is one of my favorite Instagram follows. His name is Lucas Bean. He is a behavioral researcher, creator, and podcast host, breaking down the psychology of power, politics, and human nature on the Lucas Bean podcast. And he joins me today on IHIP News. Lucas, how are you today? I am great. And it's such a pleasure to be on the show. Thank you. So no matter where he is or who he's talking to, and of course, the he I'm referring to there is Trump. He cannot get over his obsession with Barack Hussein Obama. Play the clip. During the presidential fitness test, but others, and then we had the Obama administration.

1:21Wonderful, wonderful person. Barack Hussein Obama. Have you heard of him? we had the Obama administration, which phased out this wonderful tradition of physical fitness. Thank you, Bharat, very much. Great job. Okay. All right. Crazy. What's the psychology of this obsession? So what I, the analysis, the analysis I've looked at, or at least the research I've seen is he, I mean, obviously it's the number one thing is scapegoating, right? He's basically scapegoating Obama and then that scapegoats the entire, basically entire black culture. That's the number one thing. But number two is what happened when Obama got elected is that they, he broke what they call the psychological wage of whiteness where basically poor white conservative people were taught for like hundreds of years that people were, you know, basically, even though you're white, you're better than your neighbors because you're white compared to the person, your neighbor who might be black or the person that's Hispanic that's your neighbor, you are better than them, even though you're just as poor as these people.

2:35So E.D. Dubois called it the psychological wage of whiteness, but that got broken when Obama actually became president. They can no longer say you are better than a black person because a black person now like basically has the highest office in the land. So that broke the whole thing. That's why they go crazy for Obama because they're thinking, oh my God, I no longer have that feeling of superiority because the black people actually now maintain the highest office in the land. So kind of like breaks things. And even Megyn Kelly a couple of months ago on her podcast, Lucas, she said, we haven't felt the same since Obama was president.

3:20she said it out loud that it broke them. And here's an interesting nuance to that. So to the poor white person that found permission structure and a superiority structure in Trump to compensate for their lack of income, Trump, trust fund baby, fails forward all the time. And so do you just think this is just incredible jealousy in Trump, his personal obsession with him? I think it is. I mean, he knows he can never be Obama. Like, let's be honest. He was a statesman. He was well-spoken. Obama was an amazing president, probably the best, definitely the best president of my lifetime. Same. And yeah, exactly.

4:06And we know that and everybody knows And Trump, who is a person who literally walks around in a bucket of shame and humiliation in his head every day, all day, he basically can't take the shame and ridicule that he is giving himself because he knows he'll never be the man Obama is. So he thinks I need to attack him over and over and over again. That's how I win. That's what his father, Fred Trump, actually like instilled in his like psychology that you're a winner. So attack, attack, attack and never admit you're wrong. And it broke him. It made him into that narcissistic person. And he's totally focused on someone who, hey, let me tear everything down this guy did because he is he's like literally the man I could never be.

4:57A lot of people link it to, I mean, he was clearly, there's a track record of Trump's racism and white supremacist default setting. But the White House Correspondents Dinner, when Obama, you know, that's what they do when Obama jabbed at Trump, Trump cannot be self deprecating at all. And that was something that just, you know, he felt humiliated sitting there that a black man that was living in the White House, sleeping in the on the linens, eating off the china, humiliated. him because Trump always wants to be with all the cool kids. Like the MAGA crowd is not his first choice of people he wants to be approved by.

5:36He wants to be approved by the Hollywood elite. And he's never quite been able to do that. Yeah. He's always wanted to be in the in crowd. And the only way for him to, I mean, in his mind, he's basically, it's him against the world. Imagine that he can't trust even people in his family. He can't trust anybody that's like around him. that's his worldview of the world so like everybody he's not able to trust so he had to like take the lowest level basically i'm not going to say they're the lowest level but they're pretty his followers are pretty depraved and these followers are so toxic like this was his last chance to be cool they all worship him like now he actually has a chance of like then pointing these people's rage at all the people that never accepted him.

6:26So theoretically, he is getting even with these people, psychologically, like, and physically getting even with these people, pointing all of these people at them. And now he's the cool guy. Now he's in charge. So it's really, it's really a toxic cycle of like scapegoating. I mean, it is, I don't know if I'm allowed to say fascism, but it is basically a fascist. I mean, this is what's going on right now we have my upcoming book is called not today fascist yeah i love that by the way i love it i can't wait yeah it's uh it's so cool that's a great book i can't wait to read it so yeah it's definitely i have a video out on youtube actually talks about like i i broke it down into like four phases of like is this fascism and we i answer it with the up in a way i answer it with the viewer and it basically explains like yes we are in a fascist government so unfortunately what do you make of him that I don't know if it's late state dementia or just his give a fuck meters just completely broken or a combination of the two, but airing the grievances with the children that he was talking about the Nobel Peace Prize with them.

7:32He was talking about you would have been dead in two weeks if I hadn't invaded Iran. And then he's Barack Hussein Obama. And he says it all that way with kids, with literal kids. What do you make of that type of lack of self-awareness and appropriate nature of how unpresidential and honestly, like that's not how an adult should in a position of power should behave around children. What was your take on the optics of that setup? In my mind, when I saw that, I was, I just was like, this is just what a narcissist does, right? They're both really the strongest person, the smartest person in the world, but yet they're the most victimized and aggrieved people in the world, right?

8:21Right. So like you can never, like it's either one or the other. I'm awesome, but I'm also the most aggrieved, right? And it's like always like I'm a victim. I'm the best, but I'm a victim. And it's basically the heel. If you really think about it, the heel in like WWE wrestling does exactly the same thing. So that kayfabe, that's why they bake like kayfabe into like whole theatrics of what they do also with like the sparkles and like, what's her name? Kirk there. It comes out like Erica Kirk comes out with like sparkles and stuff. The same thing's going on, right? They're all, it's like everybody's against them, but they're awesome.

8:57But everybody's against them. And it's called a collective narcissism is what like his followers are under too, right? so everybody thinks they're special now because trump told them they were special and they are all now going wait a minute how and then basically it's a do the most agree with people because you won't recognize how special they are so they're upset about that and they're like super special and they have like some inside tip knowledge that the deep with the knowledge of the deep state so trump is the same way and he basically projects onto other people his insecurity like trying to convince, he's always trying to convince people that he is the aggrieved person and he's the best.

9:37And it's like, it's his voice that his father kind of like instilled in him. He can't break that. His father destroyed him and made him this narcissist that he is. And it's interesting you talk about the collective narcissism because not only did Trump give a permission structure for or maybe his lower income, poorly educated, he brags about. I do great with the poorly educated. Not only did he give them a permission structure for racism, making that bargain. You're not going to ever be rich, but you get to feel superior to these black and brown people. Also, I feel like he gave a permission structure to these oligarchs that seemingly tried to keep their grievances in check a little bit.

10:21They tried to be socially polite. And now you have a class of billionaires in the United States. If you get on Elon Musk's Twitter page, he's a trillionaire. All right. You would think that he was a black man trying to make his way through segregation in a pre-segregated United States of America. Bill Ackman, these people, and they write it out. They go on interviews and they are so aggrieved. So I feel like he unlocked a permission structure on the low end of the economic chain, but But he's also given a permission structure for this abject, unhinged narcissism. There's this one billionaire, Reinoff, tell me his name.

11:02He's made all this money and he's on Twitter all the time calculating his erections and posting about them. What's the guy's name? Brian Johnson. Yes. Oh yeah. I know who he is. Now they're all like, okay, we can just be as crazy as we want because at least Trump is always going to be a little bit crazier the permission structures on both end of that is very fascinating to me that he's unlocked and just how there's a collective unhinged nature of personality disorders on full display that are being normalized every single day yeah i think brian so brian johnson totally under he's a he's a different kind of character he's he's more of like a you know he was a tech founder that's where he got all his money and and basically exited exited a business and then became like this like health hacker right he's trying to live forever i believe that that's the guy you were talking about um he's a little bit different don't get me wrong he's just as narcissistic but yeah i think i think when you say you trump gave permission to for these people to be who they really are rather than being polite anymore they don't they're not asking for permit for permission.

12:18It's called asymmetric norm enforcement. So they want to not follow the rules and they want all of us to follow the rules. And it's like every authoritarian power that's ever come into power throughout history has had this asymmetric norm enforcement. And they want all of us to be like, yeah, everything's okay. We want to worship us. We're the billionaires. in a way it's kind of putting in if kind of put into our society already because people already worship like elon musk people already worship like jeff bezos they talk about him like they're the smartest most genius people in the world when really you know a lot of them i'm no no offense to them that a few of them actually got quite lucky um in certain situations so even and even worse like elon musk is a is an immigrant and yet he is against immigrants which is fascinating he was actually an illegal immigrant for a while yeah and he moved to i believe he went to stanford and then dropped out and then was not legally supposed to be in the united states for years and years and years so yeah i just think it's interesting that they they have this asymmetric norm enforcement of like yeah i'm gonna i want you guys to follow the rules but you know for me what rules like rules don't apply and you need to like worship me and you know it's like hey all the prices are going up let them eat cake right and we know what happened during the french revolution when people say, let them eat kick, right?

13:43So eventually the mob will come for you, unfortunately. Yeah, kind of like that came from Mike Pence. Trump's support is falling, reaching as low as 32 % in some polls. What is the psychology behind the hardcore MAGA cult who will never leave him no matter what he does? Shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and still love him. You know what, from my research, I'm going to say that these, there are some, these like four dark psychological traits that make up his like fanatical base. And they are the, it's called the four tetrad. It's basically like pure narcissists or like people high in narcissistic traits, Machiavellianism and psychopathy.

14:30And the last one is everyday sadism. And these people, there's a lot more of these folks in the United States that have like, they don't classify, they don't fit into like the exact perfect box of like, oh, I'm a narcissistic personality disorder. But they have like really high narcissistic traits that make them really bad people. And same thing with Machiavellianism, same thing with like psychopathy. They're very high in psychopathy. They're very high in narcissistic traits. And what I noticed about these folks is that from my observation, at least, and I've known thousands of them, I'm from Connecticut, so go figure, right?

15:06These guys, like, they can never be wrong. I noticed that like it never before Trump, they could never admit they were wrong about anything. So like, imagine a person who can never admit they're wrong, and then getting involved in something that's like a cult, because like, let's be honest, like, the Trump movement, the MAGA cult is like a cult, like a real deal. Totally. So these folks are like, they're very toxic, can't be wrong. And they will burn everything down in their lives for these people, for for Trump. And that is a problem because, you know, even after World War Two, I don't know if I'm allowed to even say this, but after World War Two, when like the Nazis were defeated, there were fanatics that would not, no one really talks about this that much in history, but there were fanatics that would just not give up.

15:59And they fought to the last man, a lot of these Nazi like SS guys, or they took the, you know, the other way out, but they knew what they did was unforgivable. So instead of like owning up to all this stuff, they, you know, they basically fought to the last man or they took a different way out, like I said. So theoretically, you can't stop some of these like sycophantial like people. They're going to be there no matter what. The only way that Trump, I think the Trump cult falls is when he is no longer in office. And those fanatics will do crazy stuff. But like it's a very, you know, it's like 20 million of his followers, I would say.

16:3925, and this is just my estimate, right? 20 to 25 million of his followers are like fanatics. They totally are. Yeah. I think in researching for my book, Not Today Fascists, I think there is a link with a lot of these followers. I'm from Oklahoma in the buckle of the Bible belt. And so lots of evangelical Christians. And I have found research that shows that if you are of an authoritarian religion, and evangelical Christianity is a very authoritarian religion, black and white worldview, everything in the Bible, 100 % of it is true. Noah's Ark, earth 6 ,000 years old, virgin birth, the whole nine.

17:19And if you were to think anything critically about that, that's blasphemy so it's very authoritarian um and there's a cruelty to it there's a cruelty to telling a young brain that might say really flooded the earth and then all these animals got on the boat and floated around no you can't think that god's testing your faith there's a cruelty to that and a lot of these parents in that are that are members of authoritarian churches are also authoritarian parenting styles. And so the psychological soil is so primed for these people for Trump. The biggest question I get, I've moved to New York now, is why do these Bible thumpers, why do they like Trump so much?

18:02And for me, growing up around all of these extreme evangelical Christians, I mean, they're just almost like in a state of religious psychosis all the time. They feel like they have to recruit everybody. I was an atheist. I mean, I'm on every prayer list you can imagine was an atheist, I am an atheist and constantly, you know, being proselytized to for them to jump on board with Donald Trump made perfect sense to me because in all of the times that I was recruited, Lucas would go to these churches and the pastor was just like Donald Trump had the, you know, the hair, the suit, the rambling, talking, I alone can fix this.

18:42I can do everything right. To me, the through line in that, and when you look at the numbers of how evangelicals showed up for Donald Trump, I mean, you're looking at the highest group of support for him. I think there's a component in American culture where we still have a crazy Christian problem, not a Christian problem. If to my listeners or your listeners who are Christian light. You're not trying to recruit people and take their money and all of these things. That's your faith. That's your own spiritual journey. But this crazy Christian problem that America has, the pro-life folks, the Second Amendment folks, the we all have to help the billionaires accumulate wealth.

19:27Our pastor is also accumulating wealth. There seems to be a really big through line there that people are able to go on board with somebody that believes in forgiveness without accountability, because that's what evangelical Christianity is. Jesus, forgive me. Poof, you're forgiven. Yeah, it's unfortunate. And in my research as well, it backs up your research. So it's basically, you know, these folks did come from toxic, abusive, authoritarian households where it's go along to get along. And there was a dynamic of like scapegoating that was involved. So they would always have a scapegoat in this family dynamic.

20:06They would always have like the golden children who just went along to get along. And those golden children, those people who did fall into line. And by the way, Donald Trump falls into this category too, not to feel sorry for Donald Trump, but he was in a family like that as well, where his brother was scapegoated and he witnessed his brother being scapegoated and his brother died at like 42 years old of alcoholism because he was so distraught from the way he was abused by his father and stuff like that. So authoritarianism makes perfect sense. And then also having a simple answer, which is what the Bible has always done, right?

20:45When we didn't have enough science, the Bible was always there to give you like really simple, straightforward answers to complex problems. And when you have a straightforward answer to a very complex problem, people feel like comforted by it when really the answer is like multiple things, right? And you can't just answer it with this black and white thinking, but everybody wants a shorty. That's why the Bible was around, right? We needed answers to like, why was there a solar eclipse? Because of God. Why did my life get screwed up? Like, why did a horse run me over? Oh, because of God, right?

21:22It's God's will, you know, like. Don't forget about Satan. He's a big power player in that whole theology as well. He is. Yeah, I agree. But the funny thing is, it's like, and also, what I also find interesting is like, they're pro-life. But if you look at the Bible, like, literally God killed everybody on earth. Genocide. Put on, yeah, and put on, I mean, everybody on earth except for Noah and the animals that got onto the ship. So it's like, so wait, you're pro-life, but I think it's more like you're pro-birth, but you're not really pro-life. let's go to war with people. I don't know. I find that really interesting as well.

21:55But yeah, the authoritarian part is that these folks slide right back into the black and white thinking because Trump offers them the black and white thinking that was given to them growing up as kids. So it's like, it fits perfectly. Oh my God, this is just, and that's why they call him daddy. Like, have you seen the shirt to say daddy Trump, daddy's home, stuff like that? I made a video about this. Like the, I have like probably like 50 videos on the psychology of like the authoritarian parent and these guys. And that's what, that was one of the videos. It's like daddy's home. It's like, you're an adult talking about a, like a, you're a 40 year old guy talking about like an 80 year old man.

22:34They want Trump to be their, their, their father that finally accepts them. That's what I've actually taken from this. And I'm, I don't know about you, but I was a black sheep as a kid i grew up with like three brothers i was like scapegoated like crazy which made me impervious to cult mentality like i'm always like yeah i don't agree with you like none of i just don't i don't know how i don't fall into it but it's so hard for me to even like this is why i started making videos by the way is that i didn't understand how people could get sucked in to worshiping anybody like i mean i get the religion thing i'm a recovering catholic i I gave it up when I was like 15.

23:15Um, but people are, people just want simple answers to complex questions. And that's what religion gives them. And before we had science, like that's all we had. Right. So I think it makes sense, but still like they will, these people will only change when the cult starts hurting them personally and gas prices, like it's hurting them. Brochie prices is hurting him which is reducing his support every day and to the most the people who had really nothing going on in their lives no community no nothing they were just like trump is my wwe wrestler he's the heel like he it's there he it's their andre the giant right it's their hulk hogan when hulk hogan turned like dark hulk hogan i don't even know wwe but i know enough that they love the heels of like wrestling and that they're it doesn't affect them until it affects them and then that's when they start they start having second guesses so okay final question sure i have noticed that i say that trump is in his um deathbed confession era he is um he he can't help but narrate what his intentions are about things and what he really thinks whereas a lot of autocrats like Putin, he keeps it all very close to the vest.

24:35He never shows his cards. Well, Trump is a grandstander, a bluster, blowhard, all of the things. And he just seems like he is always talking about how attractive he thinks men are. And I don't know if you saw this incident at the UFC fight. And he bends down to the racer and he's patting his leg, not the racer, the fighter. And he's like, you're too good looking to be fighting. You're so good looking. and on the campaign trail, he was talking about the size of Arnold Palmer's penis. And he simulated with striking familiarity, giving a microphone a blow job. And then it's, you know, look at this good looking guy.

25:14He's so good looking. And then you saw him just, you know, just going after Mom Donnie. I have a theory that in, within the MAGA movement, this breed of toxic masculinity is to mask some bi curiosity or homo curiosity among these men. Because straight men don't have a problem with having to prove their masculinity. They don't need to, it's not something like, well, I'm straight. You know, somebody's talking about being straight all the time. You're like, they're gay. I mean, shut up. Exactly. And so I, and living in the Bible belt, you know, and having a lot of gay friends, Grindr is just full of married Magamen, full of married it it's epidemic and this is why grinder crashes all the time where it's turning point charlie kirk funeral republican national convention have you done any research on this like the lindsey grandma but all thou doth protest too much yes and i love that i love that phrase i i use it all the time uh yeah it's fascinating there was a 96 study about this where they tested like the most like a bunch of they had a bunch of like volunteers show up and the guys who are like the most homophobic the most angry the most like rage felt about basically like gay people they put them in a study and they like scanned their brains and scanned like basically all their like basically all their body reactions like sweat and everything like that and they showed them like gay porn and like 50 % of the guys who were actually the most homophobic were the ones that like reacted to gay porn.

26:51It was crazy. And then the, uh, the guys who are, that were not homophobic only like less than 25 % of those guys like were reacted to gay porn. They're just like, oh, okay, whatever. So you're right. I mean, there is definitely like scientific evidence that these guys, like, especially Trump, let's be honest, like Trump and any guy that's like, oh yeah, look at this guy he's a real handsome guy like first that's obviously insecurity and he he knows he's like man i was really he can't he doesn't have a filter because i believe he's like in a narcissistic collapse right now anyway he's getting old so he can't like keep up that vigor that he feels like he needs to have and he knows he's like i think he's also you know very ill um so he sees other virile men he's like oh this guy's really good looking but also there is that extra piece of him that the filter's gone and he's just going, man, that's a good looking guy.

27:40He really does have a jealousy and a kink probably where he's looking at these guys going, I'd like to have my way with that guy. I mean, at the end of the day, I think you're right. I think you're right. And Lindsey Graham, are you kidding me? Of course. And the same thing goes with Mike Johnson, like all those guys. They seem very, oh, we're against that. That's against my beliefs. Not really, dude. I think if we hooked you up to that same study, you'd be one of the 50 % that's like spiking, like, oh yeah, really? So that's where they're obsessed with trans people. Like that's literally the reason.

28:16Did you see this study, Lucas? There was a study about trans porn hotspots. The number one place in the entire United States of America that consumes the most trans porn is a place It's called Lawton, Oklahoma. And Lawton is just a redneck, military, Trump-style, deep-red county. Deep-red. The people that are probably like, I don't like this woke ideology. I'm not voting for these woke liberals and these Sharia law people whacking off wieners. They're the ones consuming all the trans porn. And so I think that's just a fascinating component. I have on our show a lot. She's the premier leading scholar in authoritarianism and autocrats.

29:07And she said the through line in all of this, all through history, is homophobia. It is the through line that connects all dictatorships, autocracies, etc. Lucas Bean, I am so happy that we finally collabed. I love your Instagram videos. And I want everyone to go follow Lucas and we'll put your how to follow you on the screen here. But I like that it's not so intellectually lazy. I mean, it's easy to just kind of make fun of these people, but there's actually a psychological reason and a lot of us are just really broken. And now we have enough science to help us get better. Yeah, there's a psychological reason for that.

29:46So there's no doubt about it. That's what he always says. You guys go follow my friend Lucas Bean. go subscribe to his podcast, The Lucas Bean Podcast. Thank you so much, Lucas. Thanks for having me.