Trump Rapidly Declining As MAGA Slowly Dies Off, The Cult is Not Well

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0:35all right joining me today on ihip news are the quote lib sibs of the necessary conversation podcast where they duke it out with their MAGA parents let's welcome chat coltgen is it coltgen or coltgen however you like both are good however you like you say it chad we say coltgen but you Colchin. And Haley Popp. Haley, your last name is so much easier than your brother. Yes. Yes. Thank you. So, listener, these two siblings have like hardcore MAGA parents and they have a podcast with their parents where you go over like news headlines, right? And what all the fuckery Trump is doing. Tell my listeners a little bit about your podcast.

1:21Yeah. I mean, we started it about four years ago during the kind of last half of Biden's administration. I felt like our parents were getting older. We didn't really have a relationship with them somewhere between, uh, Obama's kind of last year and Trump's first incoming year. We really just kind of stopped talking to them. It wasn't exactly no contact, but we would go home for like Christmas or a birthday and just sit in our living room and listen to our dad scream at us while Newsmax was kind of like echoing from the bedroom and the living room simultaneously. And you're like, Like in 2026, it wasn't just that like we lost touch.

1:56Our mom like stopped following us on all social media. Oh, yeah. 2016 you mean? Yeah, 2016. And it wasn't just like, oh, we're not talking. Like it was outright. We got Napoleon, okay? Yeah. Exiled. So I basically was like, the only thing that they will engage with is politics. So let me see. I was doing some other podcasts at the time and I really kind of like stumbled into that as an art form. I enjoyed podcasting. So I was like, let me see if my mom would actually have an hour long conversation with me about politics. And so we recorded one. And then my dad was like, I don't want her to be the star of the show.

2:34What about me? And so I did an episode with him. And then I was like, I got to get my sister in here. And so the first three episodes of the show, which are audio only, were basically just about kind of the backstory of each of the three of the other people, not myself, but the political kind of backstory, how they grew up, how they became politically activated. Did Trump radicalize them? You know, that type of thing. And then from that point on, we've been doing at least one episode a week talking about just the big political issues of each week and where MAGA sits on it, where my sister and I sit on it.

3:06and ultimately we're trying to kind of reclaim my mom. And we're getting close, I think, closer than we've ever been. I've seen some growth. Yeah. I've seen some growth with her. Really, really interesting. And your parents live in Oklahoma City, right? Yeah. Suburbs there. Suburb. You know, that's where I'm from, Oklahoma City. Yeah. I know. Did y 'all grow up there? No. We both grew up in a suburb of Dallas, Texas. Okay. Yeah. All right. All right. Well, I want to play for my listeners. um some clips from your podcast and haley i'll get your reaction to this one here is your dad haley on the pope play the clip pope he's going to hell okay please don't say that again here's what i don't like the pope is like standing up for um illegals immigration all of that that's fine but as a government we don't want that border wide open to bring in drugs bring in kids traffic them all of that.

4:08Yeah, for all we know, the Pope's a p***er. Half the people in his administration are. So you don't care about the Epstein files, but we care about the Pope. Haley. Okay, so first things first, I don't believe my parents are actually religious, okay? So I just got to put that out there. All of this, all this bullshit about the Pope, Like, I'm just saying it right now. They're not Catholic. They're not religious. It's all my mom is kind of like a spiritual woman. Okay. So there's something I know she believes in like a higher power, especially now after my dad, you know, he's in the hospital. A whole bunch of stuff happened.

4:48So she's kind of reconnecting with like her spirituality, but they are not Catholic. Okay. So the Pope. I'm always speechless because I it's like at first when we started this I did start to think like is my dad just a character is this all just bullshit but it's not like it's very real and it's deep-seated and it's like so rooted in him so to hear things like you know the pope is a pedophile but we're not caring about the Epstein files why is that so important you know it's it's anything to back up Donald Trump. And that's what it boils down to. They are in what I perceive to be like a cult. I think MAGA is a cult.

5:33I think my parents are rooted in it, especially my dad. And it just is fed by like Newsmax 24 seven. And so any kind of topic that comes up, this is obviously ridiculous, you know, what comes out of his mouth, but it's almost like he can't help it because he's just being indoctrinated 24 seven by this shit that he's being fed by the news. So we always laugh it off. I can't take that seriously. But really at its core, there is a sickness to MAGA. Let me ask you guys a personal question, kind of a psychological question. In seeing how easily it is for your parents to dehumanize people to how they were talking about illegals and just, is there kind of a Freudian or subconscious feeling as a child that if they're so quick to hate on gay people, immigrants, black people, they could turn on us in a millisecond.

6:31Does it diminish their devotion to you as a parent subconsciously or consciously to you guys? You want to answer that? I mean, yeah, there are moments where they approach things that directly affect me or my family and when I hear what they have to say about that, it definitely feels dehumanizing, demoralizing. There's a lot of misogyny going on. There's a lot of obviously racism. It's just bigotry. So yeah, there are things that they say that definitely hurt my feelings, that hit hard, but ultimately I've made this commitment. And I love my parents. I really feel like we're trying to pull them out of something that's, you know, much bigger and people aren't quite understanding that this is cult mentality.

7:22Like, and that's a slow roll. That is a long process to get somebody out of something that is like so rooted in them. And I would add to that, like, I mean, obviously if you have parents like this, well, I don't know. I mean, for me, this is how I've kind of reacted to it. I've done my own deep dives. I'm not a psychologist, but I've done my own deep dives into what I perceive their psychology to be, why they are like this, why were they susceptible to this cult in the first place. And I think a lot of it for, at least for my dad, my mom too, maybe by proxy, it has to do with just a kind of baseline adversarial worldview that they have.

7:58And you're talking about like, are we scared that they're going to kind of turn this ire on us at some point? And the answer is yes, because they've done it to other family members. They perceive everybody at a certain point as the enemy or the adversary or who they're competing with. And in most cases, at least for our parents specifically, they choose to just stop talking to those people, cut them out of their lives, no matter how close they are. I mean, we're talking like immediate family members, not Haley and I specifically, but brothers and sisters and whatever. And I think that just having that kind of mindset allowed the Magna Cult mentality to come in because a lot of what Trump operates on is saying, this is your adversary, hate this person or this group of people.

8:40And that fits just right in line with everything that they have already kind of been believing about the world. Were they authoritarian style parents? In some ways, but in other ways, absolutely not. Like they were, both my sister and I are, you know, artists in one form or another in terms of what our careers have become, what we went to school for. And they supported that, certainly. But then it was also like, you know, dad ruled with an iron fist in many ways, as children. So it was strange, like they were very liberal about some things, but in a more traditional sense of like parenting technique, I think, at least with me, the older child, they were not very lenient with a lot of stuff.

9:25Yeah. Yeah. All right. Now I'm going to play a clip of your mom talking about the war in Iran. Within the next two weeks, this war will be done. They're very close to it being over. Irrelevant. You saw everything I just played you was him saying he will not get into war with Iran. I don't know how many clips that was in that compilation. 20, 30. He has done the exact thing he promised not to do. He did it. Things change. He had to do it for our security and the security of the United States. In what way? How has it made us more secure? We have not had a bomb hit us yet, have we? Did we have one before the war?

10:08They were getting close, very close. Where are you getting the information from that leads you to believe Iran was going to attack us? uh the president himself okay chad this was from early this was from early april and so my question is let's say last april would your mom have said oh i like president trump because he's anti-war and he's not going to take us to war with iran yes she did say that yes so okay what's her media diet is it just newsmax does she yes that's it i'm here in oklahoma right now helping my mom with some stuff i live in los angeles um it's newsmax 24 7 and i even try to put on other stuff and not like cnn or ms now you know i'll try to put it on something innocuous just like oh here's good morning america or whatever i'll leave i'll like go to the bathroom or something and come back in it's newsmax it's back on yeah like they cannot be away from it and do they think fox is liberal Yes.

11:13Yes.

11:16It's wild. It's crazy, too, to watch these clips back with any other person. Do you know what I mean? Because I just cut them and post them, and I'm like, go about my day. To watch that back is insane, actually. And part of what, to me at least, really exposes the idea of the cult mentality is their ability to shift on any given topic. Like I was saying, my mom used to talk about, like, Biden's going to get us into World War III. He's going to go to war with Iran. That'll be the end of all humanity. And she would always tout Trump as being the guy who won't do that. Now he's done it. Well, things change.

11:50Or my dad, for example, kind of famously, I've stopped keeping track of this. But when the war in Ukraine started, he made a prediction that a nuclear weapon would be used in Ukraine within 30 days. It's been years since that prediction, you know. And he still maintains he's not wrong. Yeah. like they can't uh kind of reconcile reality in terms of any of this stuff pre-trump was there this level um were they real into george w bush and like the tea party no not at all unlocked it yes 100 well i would say obama unlocked it for dad her dad anyway yeah yeah so your dad's like a default setting of a racist.

12:36Yes, 100%. So I'm seeing a black man eat off the china, wear that tan suit, sleep in the bed in the White House. Yeah, exactly. That kind of radicalized him. And, you know, whatever the opposition was going to be to Obama, whoever was going to come next in line in the Republican Party, that was going to be their guy for sure. But I think if it would have been a regular Republican politician, regular meaning like adhering to most of the North, Yeah, Mitt Romney or whoever, you know. I don't think it would have been this bad, but Trump, obviously, it kind of embodies all of these like worse things about any political institution, let alone American.

13:15And they just like ate it up. Living in Oklahoma City during Obama, I could see how it was breaking people like normal, everyday, maybe moderate center ish Republicans. And it just kept breaking them and breaking them. And then when Trump started the racism that Obama wasn't born in America, it allowed a permission structure to otherize him. And I feel like, just like you just said, Chad, I feel like Trump gives a permission structure for everybody to cave to their worst impulses all at one time. Yeah. Yeah. Including voting rights now, you know, like we are literally seeing the after effect of the Supreme Court decision.

13:57And now the South is like really starting to, you know, exhibit racism on a, on a grand scale. Yeah. And like we grew up here in Texas and our parents, you know, are definitely kind of a product of that. And so, you know, it's it's terrifying to see what's happening right now. And Donald Trump just opened the door for all of that. Yeah, he really did. I think that goes back to kind of what I was saying, too, about the adversarial mindset, because our mom is a little different. Like she does still to some degree value fairness and equality in some aspects of American culture. our dad does not and to him it's like i don't give a shit if you redraw the districts does that mean we win then do it that's all that matters is the way and that's the thing right there that my husband always says my husband's from hugo oklahoma which is down in the southeast corner of oklahoma he's a criminal defense attorney now but he always says uh republicans will say we'll do whatever it fucking takes to win and the democrats are like well you know right We need to wait and investigate.

15:01Merrick Garland, who I think totally fucked us, we need to wait and investigate and pause on this thing and move forward. Your mom showed some empathy to a guest you had on recently, a friend of mine, Peppermint. Yeah. And nobody has been as marginalized, but black people have been completely scapegoated big time. Then they moved on to immigrants. And then the PASS campaign, they really moved on to trans people. and I see and hear people in the Democratic Party saying, we can't talk about that. And that makes me think, oh my God, we really have to protect these people. If people within the Democratic Party want to throw these people under the bus, fuck that shit.

15:41We really need to stand with the trans community. And I just think it's so brilliant that y 'all had peppermint on. And here's a clip of your mom asking peppermint about trans people in sports. Let's play the clip. So if you were born biologically a man or a boy, don't you feel that, you know, you're strong. Are you stronger than most females? You know, that's the part where I kind of go down a rabbit hole and go, I don't under, you know, I think boys should play boys sports. Girls should play girls sports. But then if you, what do you call it? Where you, you know, you've gone from a boy to a girl, right?

16:22Am I doing this right? I have no idea. Yes, I'm with you. I'm following you. You hear kind of what I'm saying? So now, I don't know. Do you play boys sports or do you play girls sports? Listen, I think all sports should be immediately outlawed. I hate sports. Really? Sports is illegal. That's a hardcore take. you all want to you all want to cry about sports how about no sports for net anybody all right haley i watched a lot of this interview and i could tell that your mom really wanted to show empathy and humanity to her and peppermint was talking about getting bullied in the 80s um for being an effeminate little boy before this issue was such a hotbed And I could tell that it kind of pains your mother a little bit after this or during this.

17:24Did she move on this issue at all? I think she did. I think, unfortunately, for our parents to experience something personally is what it takes, you know, in order to feel empathy for another person, they must know them, experience them. And it's an unfortunence that I think has existed their entire lives. But I'm thankful. I'm thankful that Peppermint came on. My mom got to meet her. And I think it really opened her eyes that trans people are just fucking people, you know? And I think that it really like sunk in like, oh, okay, Peppermint's just a woman and we're talking. And, you know, it really kind of, I think, clicked in that moment.

18:03So I would like to think that her perspective on trans people has completely shifted. That personal interaction and experience is 100 % what it took for her. yeah even now like i was just having a conversation with her the other day and she was like i really liked that peppermint she was really nice she was funny like she's still thinking about it yes and and part of the show that we do to some degree at least is to try and like open our parents minds in one way or another and and a lot of people are like oh you got to go no contact and blah blah blah and i get it for some people that works for me it was not working and i do feel like, unfortunately, the responsibility to kind of bridge this gap and have this conversation is on the left, the right is never going to initiate this conversation.

18:50They're never going to have the patience to have it. And so it really is up to us. And I yeah, I can't thank Pepper, Peppermint enough for coming on and having the patience having the conversation, and kind of like handholding our mom through these, these different issues and stuff. That was like, I think, one of the best moments that we've had. Yes, yes. Yes. And it was all about like Peppermint's approach. You know, she's very gentle and I will answer any questions. And it is definitely about the approach for our parents. If it's combative, they're going to, you know, like Chad said, they're adversarial.

19:24So if you come at them like an enemy, they're going to, you know, it's not going to work. But Peppermint was so kind. And yes, I'll answer whatever questions you have. Nothing offended her. And so I think just the whole exchange was kind of a turning point for our mom. it was really fascinating i encourage all my listeners to go watch that episode because you can see your mom that there was some empathy in there when she asked peppermint about when she was younger about getting bullied and how different she felt and then uh uh that that wasn't a choice you know my mother told me a long time ago i was born in dallas but then raised in oklahoma city i would ask like why is somebody gay mom or why is somebody trans and she's like all you need to know is nobody in their right fucking mind would choose to be gay or trans in the middle of the bible belt because they just face such an uphill battle and peppermint is such a great voice i love the way she just i hate all sports you know like your mom expected her to just go hard in the paint that that you know when it gets to trans athletes that's their final you know pull that they really push and the fact that she was like i don't give a shit about any sports it just diffused the whole situation you guys went on uh hassan piker's uh with your parents and hassan piker is a friend of mine and uh right now like it seems like everybody on the right and then like corporate dims they're all like oh my god hassan piker's the worst person on the planet which is just ridiculous bed wedding as far as i'm concerned but your parents really liked him a lot let's play of him okay let's play the attacks we got some defenders even on the mega side do mom do you have ditties i'm just making sure that our friend mr piker is okay my husband loves his hat that you gave him and i've been hooking up every day to stream to see if maybe you forgot my address and where you might be able to send me something i hope you're okay and if you need us to slap down that disgusting democrat brad schneider that's been on you recently we can slap him down for you if you need it.

21:31Slapping down. Yeah, he's been calling our friend, Mr. Piker, some bad names like anti-state and all kinds of stuff. And he's a Democrat and it's kind of bizarre. So Mr. Piker has been getting in a little trouble. And if he needs Bob and I to come help, we are here. And this is your invite to come back on our show. God damn, somehow Hassan Piker has become the golden child of our family. It's the most bizarre turn of events that has happened in the course of this entire podcast you guys that is so great it's so good so she said she's been hooking up to a stream is she getting on twitch and listening to hassan not twitch she probably goes on youtube and watches clips and stuff i don't think she is on twitch or would ever understand how to do that but in in a similar kind of way to what peppermint was able to do it's like both hassan and peppermint are like super smart super funny very charming.

22:29And I think that kind of disarms our parents because they're expecting the adversary. And when it's just like the smart, funny person who's like, okay, I get it. You think this, and let's have some fun and have some jokes and just have a conversation. It's harder for them to maintain that adversarial mindset and be like, fuck you, you're the enemy. I'm going to take you out. And I think both Hassan and Peppermint were able to do that expertly. Well, they have the preconceived notion that all Dems are all liberals are a certain way. And when somebody comes on that isn't that way they don't know how to react uh you know obviously hassan piker is charismatic and he's funny and shit and our parents were just like smitten so much so that i gave my mother hassan piker merch for mother's day okay oh my gosh i went to the uh oklahoma city thunder lakers game with hassan a few nights ago and i said you love maga culture so much don't he goes i'm like jane goodall walking into a natural habitat just observing this he goes and i can shoot the with them i love it he absolutely loves it um and your hassan gave your dad that big hat yeah that's sitting on a table right in front of me right now i'm staring at it it's the crown jewel okay yeah yeah i think it's really interesting that uh everybody's trying to make Hassan Piker, the boogeyman right now, and he has penetrated the MAGA cult to where they want to go and take out people who are criticizing him.

24:00Yeah. It's wild. It's absolutely insane. But it's also that idea of like anything that the Democrats are against, MAGA loves. And now it's like a super liberal political commentator in Hassan that like the Democrats, like you're saying, the corporate Democrats are against him because they fear what he can do in terms of overturning kind of the status quo and how things are done. And so they're against them. And so that means my parents are against them. It's bizarre to me. Yeah. Do you guys ever keep track of what's going on in Oklahoma politics? And specifically, I'm talking about the former Secretary of Education or Superintendent of Education, Ryan Walters.

24:44Yes. Okay. So Ryan, okay. Ryan Walters, listener in Chad was the superintendent of school in Oklahoma. And he's the one who wanted to buy all the Trump Bibles, bought all the Trump Bibles and mandated that they'd be put in every school. And he also spent an inordinate amount of time in his car, filming TikToks and social media reels, talking about porn, talking about child indoctrination, talking about gay people and talking about trans people, talking about family values. so much time talking about gay and trans people that I thought, hmm. He's got us to think about that an awful lot. Well, now Ryan Walters, the MAGA family value warrior against trans woke ideology has filed for divorce in the state of Oklahoma.

25:36Republican superintendent Ryan Walters mandated teaching Christian values in schools, including the obligation of marital loyalty. He is now filing for divorce. What do your parents, you're saying that they really don't even believe in religion that much. What do they think of this type of hypocrisy? How does this kind of stuff fit into their worldview? Because it always seems like these MAGA people, every time i turn around you know like there's this guy named matt schlapp who is way up in cpac he always gets liquored up and then he starts grabbing the testicles and penises of other republican men look it up it's juicy shit and he's still oh yeah okay what do your parents think about that stuff or have you ever told him like grinder crashes at like yeah yeah they don't care.

26:31They don't care because you've got Trump at the top of that pyramid, who has been convicted of sexual assaults, who is in the Epstein files more than anybody else, et cetera, et cetera, has cheated on every wife. I mean, came into the American political system basically with the Stormy Daniels controversy that he was cheating on his wife while she was pregnant, now paying hush money, et cetera, et cetera. Grab him by the pussy, all that stuff. All of that. I was literally in this very living room that I now sit while that was going on. The October surprise came out that year and it was the Access Hollywood tape that we all have heard and know about.

27:08And I was standing in the kitchen with my mom and I was like, well, this is it. There's no way she's voting for this guy. And my mom literally was like, well, that was just locker room talk. She was repeating the talking point that they were throwing out there. And I was like, oh, this is done. He's going to win. That moment for me really made it like, holy shit, He's going to actually win this. That was the first time I thought that was possible. For them, they don't care about that stuff, despite saying that they're Catholic and Christian and all this shit. And that's another point to Haley's kind of theory that they are not religious at all.

27:42They aren't. They are when it's convenient in terms of their identity or when it bolsters some argument they're trying to make. But generally speaking, they do not care about any of that. Like my dad is like, yeah, get rid of the Epstein files. I don't even want to hear that word again. Yeah, I think I think mom does care a little bit. I think when you isolate her, get her away from our dad and she's able to like kind of have her own opinions and form her own thoughts. She does care about shit like that. Like she doesn't want kids being hurt. She doesn't like the idea of women being assaulted.

28:14But there's something like a stronghold that Trump has on her where he can do literally anything like, well, I didn't see that, you know, so I have to see it with my eyes. Haley, what do you think happens? I mean, Trump is practically, as far as I'm concerned, one foot in the ground. I mean, we've got this dementia duck, senile at the wazoo. He's got like, you know, these rashes on his neck, his hands, the cankles, etc. What happens to your mom and dad when he kicks the bucket? My hope is that once that cult of personality is gone, it fucking ends. they are not following J.D. Vance into the fire.

28:56Okay. He's a fucking potato. They're not doing anything. Do they like him? Do they like J.D.? By default, you know, like they don't really care about J.D. Vance. He's just, you know, in close proximity to Trump. So I think once he's dead, this may end. I think Maja is over at that point. Really? I think so. Yeah. And so your parents were not in the tea party because i have this feeling that like okay the tea party incubated mega and then i'm like what is maga incubating you know and then you see like the nick fuentes the tucker carlson's this america new america first you don't see your parents like jumping off of the trump chain trump train then onto like tucker carlson no no i don't think so either it i'll say this i have my own theories about you know the assassination attempts and stuff like that I do think there are people inside the, whatever you want to call it, the MAGA party, the Republican party, inside the people who are like authoring Project 2025 and stuff.

30:00I think there are smart people that understand Trump himself embodies something that no other politician in their ranks does. He has that juice for whatever reason. He can do this. I don't think J.D. Vance, I don't think any of the other politicians can. And so I think they are aware of that. And I think they know Trump cannot die in his sleep. He's got to be martyred. And I don't know about like, you know, these assassination attempts and shit. I'm not saying they're fake, but I'm saying for a very long time, CIA, whoever has been able to like radicalize this person or that person and kind of just like send them in and see what happens.

30:37and there have been a lot of assassination attempts against him, whether you think they're real or not, like that's a bunch in a very short amount of time. I picture, this is kind of what I picture, no matter how he dies, if it's in his sleep, if he's shot, whatever, like take your parents, for example, they are not going to accept, let's say that he dies of a heart attack, which is totally believable, right? We've all seen his ankles i don't think your parents for a second are going to think that that was a legitimate heart attack i think that's when they're going to like and it'd be so easy to do and i'll i'll totally do it did jd vance inject something in him you know just to kind of watch them all cannibalize each other yeah yeah yeah because i think they're going to just like it's like a hit you know he's given them a hit he's given them an identity and then when he's gone are they going accept that this man who they think is invincible, who's omnipotent, all of these things, are they just going to accept that he just died of natural causes?