Trump Suffers Devastating Blow After MAGA Shoots Up Churches

29 Sep 2025 · 19 min

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Episode Overview In this episode of IHIP News, hosts Jennifer Welch and Angie "Pumps" Sullivan discuss the aftermath of a church shooting in Michigan, the political silence from the right, and the implications of recent statements by political commentators like Ezra Klein. They express their views on the current state of American politics, particularly around issues of gun violence, abortion, and the role of corporate influence in politics.

Key Themes and Discussions

  1. Political Silence After Tragedy
  2. The podcast opens with the acknowledgment of a church shooting in Michigan, highlighting a noticeable lack of response from right-wing commentators.
  3. Discussion on how such violent incidents are often politicized and the failure of political leaders to address underlying issues.
  1. Critique of Ezra Klein's Commentary
  2. Jennifer and Angie criticize Ezra Klein's suggestion that Democrats should run "pro-life Democrats" to appeal to voters in red states.
  3. Key Arguments:
  4. Running "MAGA-lite" candidates will lead to the loss of elections as voters prefer authentic Republican candidates over inauthentic Democrats.
  5. Emphasis on the success of progressive causes when brought to ballot initiatives, as seen in states like Kansas and Oklahoma.
  1. Misrepresentation of Abortion Issues
  2. The hosts argue that the framing of Democrats as "pro-life" is fundamentally misleading.
  3. They contend that policies against abortion disproportionately affect poor women, as wealthy individuals can seek care in different states.
  1. The Threat of Gun Violence
  2. The episode shifts to the issue of gun violence, specifically discussing the profile of perpetrators (often untreated, lonely men with military backgrounds).
  3. The hosts emphasize the importance of addressing mental health and gun access rather than allowing political narratives to overshadow the real issues.
  1. Corporate Influence in Politics
  2. Discussion on how corporate money influences both major political parties, limiting genuine progress on critical issues.
  3. The narrative surrounding gun violence is criticized for being shaped by corporate interests rather than by the realities faced by citizens.
  1. Cultural Commentary on the NFL and Bad Bunny
  2. The hosts transition to cultural discussions, specifically about the NFL's Super Bowl halftime show featuring Bad Bunny, whom they view positively for advocating for marginalized communities.
  3. They express skepticism about the NFL's motives but hope for a more inclusive representation of diverse cultures.

Conclusion

  • The episode concludes with a call to action for listeners to challenge prevailing narratives and support authentic political discourse.
  • Jennifer and Angie express their commitment to continuing the conversation around these pressing social and political issues.

Important Quotations

  • “If you run a MAGA-lite or Republican-lite Democrat against the real Republican, the real Republican is always going to win.”
  • “It is inherently misogynistic... These policies are not just an attack on women. They are a direct attack on poor women.”

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  • Support their merchandise.

Notes on Style and Tone

  • The hosts utilize a comedic yet critical lens to discuss serious political issues, making their points accessible while also emphasizing the urgency of the topics at hand.
  • The conversational format allows for a dynamic exchange of ideas, filled with personal anecdotes and relatable commentary.

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0:00Things are feeling a little less human these days, aren't they? But isn't the whole point of progress to make things more human? That's why, at TD, when we design a product, whether it's getting you paid early or making debit card replacement easy, we ask one simple question. How does this help people? That's how we're making banking more simple, more seamless, and more intuitive. But most importantly, that's how TD is making banking more human.

0:36The United States is literally in shambles right now. We have the executive branch who is full force sending troops against American cities, and it cannot be overstated how dangerous this is. And in this country, we still have intellectuals. We're supposed to have an opposition party. And I think I can sit here and report what Trump is doing in Portland and Chicago, ago, but it's just another week in America. Let's talk about what the opposition party and the people who drive the opposition are talking about. This is really, really dangerous to me. Ezra Klein, who is typically a very liberal voice, is teetering out into something as a person who lives in a red state.

1:18I know number one will not work. And number two is wholly, wholly dangerous. put up this excerpt, Kylie. Ezra Klein in the New York Times basically is writing that the Democrats need to run pro-life Democrats. He says, taking political positions that will make it more likely to win Senate seats in Kansas, Ohio, and Missouri. This is so wildly dangerous and wrong. And I want to remind you, number one, Kansas has a Democratic governor. Number two, Kansas took the abortion issue on the ballot to the voters. And when this happens in red states, the voters always pick the progressive cause. If you run a MAGA-lite or Republican-lite Democrat against the real Republican, the real Republican is always going to win.

2:13And I can tell you this because I'm inside the Death Star. Every single time in Oklahoma, they take an issue to the voters. They legalized weed in Oklahoma, you guys. These people are collectively, in a big sense, Republicans. But when it goes issue by issue by issue, they support progressive causes. Ezra Klein is completely, completely off his rocker. This is why we lost the elections. He needs to come spend time in red states and talk to the people because people do not like this abortion ban. It is not popular even among Republicans in red states. Yes, there is the crazy evangelical base. But even within that movement, if their daughters get knocked up, I'm just going to tell you right now.

3:01They will move heaven and earth to make sure that daughter, even an evangelical one, will lie to the husband and go to a safe state to get the abortion. Ezra Klein, you may remember, went out right after the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Ezra Klein went out and was basically saying Charlie Kirk practiced politics in the right way. And he just recently had a conversation with Tenise Coates. And Tenise Coates held his ground, a true intellectual that stands up for civil rights. And I think this is the moment and these are the leaders that we need right now. Please play the clip. Don't take any joy in saying this, but we sometimes soothe ourselves by pointing out that love, acceptance, warmth, that these are powerful forces.

3:48I believe they are. I also believe hate is a powerful force. I believe it's a powerful, powerful, unifying force. And I think Charlie Kirk was a hate monger. You know, I really need to say this over and over again. I have a politic that rejects violence, that rejects political violence. I take no joy in the killing of anyone, no matter what they said. But if you ask me what the truth of his life was, you know, the truth of his public life, I would have to tell you it's hate. I would tell you, I'd had to tell you it is the usage of hate and the harnessing of hate towards political ends. What a powerful statement, because Ezra Klein knows that Charlie Kirk was a hate monger.

4:35He knows he was racist, misogynistic, homophobic. I don't know where the disconnect came other than the violence. Nobody condones that kind of violence. But in terms of him sitting in New York City saying that, you know, pro-life Democrats, why isn't the platform for the Democrats? They are pro-birth. They are not pro-life. And if the Democratic establishment is listening to this type of message, I mean, I just want to throw up my hands because I don't see it getting any better. The Democratic establishment is listening to this type of messaging, and it is in 2016 and in 2024. This type of centrist lets placate and add daylight to patriarchal misogynist candidates, and they lose.

5:27Look at what just recently happened in Oklahoma. We had that Republican-like candidate that ran as a Democrat against Kevin Stitt, and she lost. She lost. the problem with the Democrats doing this, number one, it's inauthentic. Nobody is buying that this Democrat is truly pro-life. The whole premise of it is set up on a lie. So what the voter does is they go with the person who's truly more authentic. And this type of messaging within the Democratic Party reminds me of when we had Rahm Emanuel on our podcast, and he immediately picked up the trans community and threw them under the bus. The message that will resonate with voters in rural America is saying they're roping you into a culture war, and that's not what this is.

6:17This is a class war. This is a total class war. You have the rich accelerating, getting richer and richer, consolidating more wealth. You have Donald Trump consolidating more and more power colluding with the rich. This is why you were ranked 50th in school. It has nothing to do with abortion. It's none of your business. This is such a dangerous, dangerous thing to be written in the New York Times. It is inherently misogynistic. He has no idea what is happening to the women in these red states. And these policies are not just an attack on women. They are a direct attack on poor women because rich women will fly their daughters to a state where they can get abortion care.

7:03Poor women do not have the choice. And then once these babies are born, of course, they are not pro-life. Of course that. But I think there's something super important. So that's terrible messaging from the Democrats. There's another opportunity that has just completely been squandered here. And it is the fact that yesterday, a MAGA gunman with his MAGA truck, with the big MAGA flags on the back of it, drove into a Mormon church, shot people, and set it on fire. And immediately, Trump comes out, asks Stephen Miller, this is an attack on Christianity. The messaging that Democrats need to have here is guns are an attack on children.

7:46Guns are an attack on children. Furthermore, this guy was a Marine and clearly probably has some PTSD or something. In North Carolina over the weekend, another Marine who is very anti-LGBTQ plus and clearly has mental problems, drove into a restaurant and shot three people. So here you have a political party that will not define what the problem is, which are lonely, untreated men that have mental problems, particularly coming out of the military. And because, of course, the Republicans never fund any sort of program to help these people after they have PTSD or psychological issues, unlimited access to guns.

8:27And here's a time that the Democrat, the Democratic leadership yesterday fumbled the back. And then we have dipshits like Ezra Klein, who is telling the Democrats to run pro-life candidates in states like ours. And I'm just telling you right now, people in red states would rather vote for the Republican than for a disingenuous liar. 12 times out of 10, this is a failed, failed exercise. Kylie put up the headline about this MAGA gunman. Mormon church gunman was Marine who, quote, supported Trump. I had to get this from the British press because, of course, the United States press is all beholden.

9:14They're corporate press and they're beholden to the same donors or are donors to MAGA. And then here's another thing that happened over the weekend. In Toxic, Texas, a man was arrested for planning to shoot participants in a pride festival. He posted that LBTQ individuals should die in the name of Charlie Kirk. He told a friend to quote, come on, bro, let's go hunting fairies. You know, what's what just is so upsetting to me about this is that the problem, if you look at the numbers and the data, it is white men, 75 percent of the time that are radicalized on line. But we're not talking about that.

10:00We're not talking about gun violence. The whole ethos around all these shootings is the left and TIFA. And it's like, okay, you're talking about 4 % or less than 4%, somewhere around there. But I have no confidence whatsoever that we are looking into the problems where it is, which is on. And it's just so exciting because they're lobbied by the NRA in the same way that the Democrats will never look at this issue with Benjamin Netanyahu because they're lobbied by AIPAC. And so you have a corporate media that puts out corporate news that has their interests. You have the NRA that has their interests, that has bought and paid politicians.

10:47You have the Israel lobby that has bought and paid both Republicans and Democrats. The only bipartisanship support they have are their corporate donors. And so then you have a thought leader for liberals, Ezra Klein, coming up with a harebrained idea to start running pro-life. I mean, for all of us to just go more conservative. Not only is that divorced from reality, it's divorced from what happens when the pendulum swings. And right now you have women and children that are living under MAGA abortion bans. Doctors are fleeing. They're wildly unpopular, even with Republicans. these policies in red states are wildly unpopular.

11:30But the reason we're not talking about the problem with guns is because of money. The reason we don't talk about the problems with Israel and the genocide that we're funding is because of money. The reason the press doesn't report this properly is because of money. The through line through all of this is corporate money. And what happens then is you have an electorate that clings onto these different silos, some conspiracy theorists, some not. And the candidates who are breaking through right now, the ones who are truly breaking through that can fill stadiums, are the people who are beholden to no one.

12:12And I think it is an absolute fool's errand to continue to bend the knee and provide daylight to corporate causes and Republican structures, because Republican structures, patriarchal structures, leave people behind. The only argument that is authentic at this point that I think can resonate with voters in flyover states is an economic populist message. And when abortion comes up, when trans rights come up, you say yes, because I believe in it for everybody. and I don't leave anybody behind. You don't like trans people, that's your business. But when I speak about equality, when I speak about access to healthcare, that means I'm talking about everybody and I don't leave anybody behind.

12:59You don't want an abortion. You don't want your daughter to have an abortion. You want your daughter to carry her rapist baby. That's your business. But as politicians, as the democratic party, we apply equality to everyone, even the people you don't like, because guess what? Sometime down the line, you might love somebody who's marginalized and we're advocating for them in advance. It's such a layup. It drives me insane that now we have liberal thought leaders caving to misogynist, patriarchal ideas that we will continue to lose time and time again at the polls. Next up, we have DL Demon Queen Benny Johnson.

13:45He's madder than a hornet over Bad Bunny. And I don't know what's going on with the NFL. It's kind of fascinating because I was so off on the NFL when they made black players participate in a moment of silence for a racist named Charlie Kirk. I was so offended by that. It struck me to my core. But now they have said they are going to have Bad Bunny be the halftime entertainment. Of course, Mag is completely melting down because he is Hispanic and anti-Trump. Kylie, pop this up. Okay, so Benny Johnson, and I want to remind everybody, Benny Johnson is a DL demon queen that is dying to go on the world's largest gay cruise.

14:31He says, this is Bad Bunny. He was just announced as the 2026 Super Bowl halftime show. Massive Trump hater, anti-ice activist, no songs in English. He even canceled his entire US tour for this reason. Fucking ice could be outside my concert. And it's something that we're talking about and very concerned about. And then Benny Johnson says the NFL is destructing year after year. So good on the NFL for doing this. I guarantee you, Kanks will start calling Roger Goodell and he will start messing with this. And at some point we'll see, will the NFL hold firm or will they capitulate as well? And based on what I've seen thus far, they'll probably capitulate.

15:17And Bad Bunny talking about ICE being outside of his concerts and advocating for people with humanity and for their dignity is something that the NFL should prop up, considering the NFL is a multi-billion dollar industry built on the backs of African-American athletes whom they allowed those athletes to be exploited. and humiliated when they had moments of silence for Charlie Kirk, who is an outward, outward, unapologetic, unrepentant racist. So I want to keep an eye on this thing because it will be interesting because I've seen Roger Goodell in the White House kissing Trump's ass. And so he's going to start melting down because these are the vanity projects that he cares about while Stephen Miller is completely dismantling the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

16:18Interesting that last year, the Super Bowl halftime was Kendrick Lamar that made no bones about his absolute disdain for Trump. This, I wondered in the back of my head, and maybe I'm giving the NFL too much credit, that there was a huge backlash because of what you said, the racism from Charlie Kirk in the moment of silence. And I'm like, was this kind of, okay, we're course correcting. And then I remember how they treated Colin Kaepernick. So I too am intrigued by this, but it's just the meltdown by MAGA about art and music and creators. It really is something to behold. I mean, they're just such babies.

17:02They're such titty babies. They won't be happy unless it's some mega rock Christian band, praise worship. And it's just so unbelievable how void of culture and open-mindedness and humanity this movement is. And so I don't think there's accidents in organizations that are this organized like the NFL. I think that they have to, they've kind of had to straddle a little bit with the president inviting. And then there was the team owners that did, that opted to do the moment of silence, which I think the NFL should have said, absolutely not. We're not doing that. Because I think that was just a disgrace.

17:47It was an absolute disgrace to have moments of silence for Charlie Kirk. If you want to have a moment of silence for all that have died of gun violence, I'm fine with that. But for a racist who was unrepentant and unapologetic about his racism, his last words before he was murdered was to blame gun violence on gangs, which we all know who they think are in gangs, what's that signaling is, his last words were racist. And so that was just so disgusting to me and a set. My husband and I haven't been able to even think about the NBA, I mean, the NFL. So I hope that this is a move in standing up for the millions and millions of Latino Americans and an acknowledgement about how much better our country is, because it is multicultural, about the flavors that all of this brings to all of us, even to a halftime Super Bowl, seeing a successful Latino artist that stands up for the many, many millions of people that are completely innocent, that have been kidnapped and disappeared by ICE, by this fascist regime.

19:02So I'm hopeful that they stay the course and don't bend the knee. So we'll just keep an eye on this because it's fascinating because Trump is making everything a culture war. And this is like the epicenter of American culture, the NFL. All right, make sure you like and subscribe and we'll be back later with more news.

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