In short
Sam Seder (The Majority Report) discusses Trump’s planned appearance at a New York sports event and the resulting Midtown Manhattan shutdown, then pivots to broader Democratic vs. progressive politics, pro-Israel/anti-Muslim political influence, and fears about dismantling the administrative state.
Guest
Sam Seder, creator/host of The Majority Report.
Guest background
Longtime progressive political commentator and podcast host, speaking from the iHip News studio.
Key claims
- Trump’s presence will be met with protests; New York ticket prices and “K-shaped economy” make access unequal.
- Establishment Democrats (e.g., Ted Lieu) are criticized for preferring Republicans over progressives, framed via “iron law of institutions.”
- Corporate/pro-Israel money and allied Democrats are said to “launder” attacks against progressive figures and Arab/Muslim politicians.
- Heritage/Project 2025-style civil service removal is portrayed as enabling patronage and long-term damage to science and regulation.
Notable examples
- Chalked “Fuck Trump” messages outside Madison Square Garden.
- Ted Lieu endorsing Xavier Becerra while hoping Steve Hilton tops a primary.
- Comparisons to Zoran Momdani’s NYC mayoral success and establishment hysteria.
- Mentions of Cory Bush and Jamaal Bowman; and ICE rhetoric by Tom Homan.
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOTrump's Disruption in NYC
0:08 to 0:22
Discussion on Trump’s arrival in NYC and the surrounding chaos.
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Trump's Disruption in NYC
1:44 to 3:16
Discussion on Trump’s arrival in NYC and the surrounding chaos.
“They're shutting down Midtown Manhattan, pop this up.”
Trump's Attitude and Public Response
3:20 to 4:28
Analysis of Trump's perspective and how New Yorkers are reacting.
Political Analysis of Ted Lieu's Tweet
4:30 to 7:20
Examining Ted Lieu's controversial endorsement of a Republican.
“they won't put his face up on the Jumbotron because then people will be like, why didn't you put Trump's face on the Jumbotron?”
Progressive vs Corporate Democrats
7:24 to 9:12
Discussion on the tensions between progressive and corporate Democrats.
“And I think, you know, Lou doesn't understand that he's telling on himself in that instance.”
Zoran Momdani's Mayoral Success
9:16 to 10:36
Analyzing Zoran Momdani's success and impact on New York City politics.
“and frankly, like, the APAC money that filters in through derivatives.”
Economic Populism and Its Threats
10:41 to 13:44
Discussion on challenges faced by economic populism in America.
“He expanded protected time off for 4.3 million workers and filled 100 ,000 potholes in his first 100 days.”
Cultural Conservatism and Economic Populism
14:00 to 16:44
Exploration of the dynamics between cultural conservatism and economic populism in America.
“I mean, at one point they were trying to push that he had cursed the Mets.”
The Destruction of the Administrative State
16:44 to 19:46
Discussion on the ongoing destruction of the administrative state and its long-term implications.
“Like these are the same people that we're going to go after.”
The Impact of Policy Changes on Future Progress
19:46 to 22:22
How recent policy changes may affect future scientific and administrative advancements.
“in this country to make sure that we have good government.”
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Hypocrisy in Politics
22:22 to 24:44
Addressing the hypocrisy within political discussions, focusing on recent examples.
“And this is the case with the EPA, the FDA, with climate change.”
Democratic Messaging and the Republican Party
24:44 to 28:00
Analysis of the Democratic Party's messaging and its relationship with the Republican Party.
“Susan Collins has a record of being a fascist, period.”
Democratic Leadership's Missed Opportunities
28:00 to 29:04
Discussion on how Democratic leadership has failed to address partisan challenges effectively.
“Well, they were waiting for a guy like him to come along.”
Biden's Bipartisan Approach and Its Consequences
29:04 to 31:25
Analysis of Biden's bipartisan strategy and its detrimental effects on key legislation.
“But I think there's probably a point or two that they're underperforming because they're trying to build a narrative now that these Republicans are supporting Donald Trump, that there is no difference.”
The Rise of Extremism in Politics
31:25 to 33:18
Exploration of how the Republican Party's extremism is evolving and impacting elections.
“I mean, all of the benefits that came from the American Rescue Act just vaporize, essentially, because of this notion that the Republican Party is still a legitimate good faith partner in governing.”
The Impact of Infrastructure on Democratic Success
33:18 to 36:00
Discussion on the importance of developing political infrastructure in states for future success.
“So this idea that Biden or that Obama has, that we have to work with Republicans, the Republican Party and their media ecosystem is incubating something worse than Trump.”
Lessons from Failed Republican Policies
36:00 to 40:47
Insights into the failures of Republican policies and the consequences for constituents.
“First of all, that would have hurt the Democratic Party because then they get a restart again, right?”
Rhetoric and Reality of Immigration Enforcement
40:47 to 42:00
Examination of the rhetoric surrounding ICE and the reality of immigration enforcement.
“you know, Oklahoma is just in such a bad place, blah, blah, blah.”
Immigration Policies and Political Impact
42:00 to 46:05
Explore how immigration enforcement affects families and the political landscape.
“But here's what strikes me as incredible.”
Trump's Influence on the Republican Party
46:05 to 49:36
Discuss Trump's control over the GOP and the implications for its future.
“And the only thing I can imagine is that Susie Wiles is saying that Marco can help with the Senate in a way that Vance can't.”
Responsibility and Accountability for Trump
49:36 to 50:04
Examine the role of Republicans in Trump's actions and the need for accountability.
“And part of the problem is this notion of the Senate collegiality and John Thune really wants to do the right thing.”
Responsibility and Accountability for Trump
50:33 to 51:51
Examine the role of Republicans in Trump's actions and the need for accountability.
“That's a whole new pair of writing gloves and more.”
Transcript
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1:31All right, joining me today on iHip News is the creator and host of The Majority Report live here in studio on Game 3 Day. Sam Seder, how are you? I'm well. I'm very well, thanks. Well, you know who's strolling into New York to rain on everybody's parade? They're shutting down Midtown Manhattan, pop this up. NYPD News starting at 4 p.m. Vehicular and pedestrian traffic will be closed from West 30th Street to West 35th. Yak, yak, blah, blah. And he's already being met with a lot of pushback. First, they had to build a wall around MSG, which is so stupid. Let's put here it is. Here's the video. Oh, geez.
2:13I hadn't seen that. That's ridiculous. And so what's so sad about that is so many people I live pretty close to there. like celebrate in front. They can't afford to go, but they can at least get close. Yeah. I mean, you know, well, there's two things, right? Obama was a huge NBA fan and refused to go to any games because of the disruption it would cause. But also New York ticket prices are insane. I mean, this is, you want a perfect example of the K-shaped economy. This is it, right? I mean, because you got tickets nosebleed seats are for thousands of dollars i saw some breakdown that it was like cheaper for new york fans to fly to texas to see uh a game in san antonio pay for a hotel buy yourself a meal uh and buy the tickets then to see one in new york city and at least the overflow stuff with like the the you know the the feed uh was provided for that and trump has taken that away and there's a clip of him i don't know maybe you were playing on play it where he's just like that's that's life yeah and for him it is life like his whole life has been uh avoiding the fact that this guy was born with hundreds of millions of dollars in his bank account yeah and uh the idea that like none of this stuff has been out of his reach at any time in his life and it's just life for him to have to like realize like I'm gonna inconvenience people but what I do is more important than them yeah he's just like tough titties well of course New York is already greeting him appropriately pop this up so this is in the subway go next fuck Trump and then there's sidewalk chalk all in front of Madison Square Garden go next fuck Trump and I love this for him now predictions do you think they're going to put his face up on the jumbotron when he went to the us open they did not i i i can't imagine they're going to do that because they have to know someone in his entourage has to know because i think mom donnie's going to be there i think he's going to be in the nosebleeds he's going to be in the nosebleeds and um i suspect they won't put his face up on the Jumbotron because then people will be like, why didn't you put Trump's face on the Jumbotron?
4:41But if I had to bet, and I actually have a problem with how easy it is to bet on these things, but that if there isn't a F Trump chant that happens at one point, I'll be shocked. I would be too. Okay. Okay. True serum polygraph. Do you think Trump deep down is hoping he runs into Zoran? I mean, the happiest I've ever seen. I think he's just like chasing him around. I do. You know, he texts him. He gets all fluffed up in his bed and texts him. Like, he texts him frequently. I mean, you know, I have no idea, but I wouldn't be surprised. He's a very demented guy. Yeah. I mean, I think like literally and sort of like colloquially speaking, I think he's a very demented guy.
5:29I think he's just so excited that he doesn't have to deal with the war that he has lost. And, you know, just all of the planning about, I've got to go to New York and I'm going to see the game. I mean, the best is going to be if it's a tight game when he leaves with like 10 minutes left in the game because he doesn't really care. No, he doesn't give a shit. No, he doesn't give a shit. All right. Speaking of not giving a shit, I came across this tweet on Twitter. And this is Congressman Ted Lieu. I mean, this is just really revealing, and I want us to analyze this, pop this up. I endorsed Xavier Becerra.
6:07That's why I hope Republican Steve Hilton remains in the top two. The latest vote updates show Hilton will likely beat Steyer. So let's dissect that here is a Democrat rooting for a Republican. And we see this right now. Now, this is at the epicenter of the Democratic Party where you have corporate Dems. And I have a question. Do they hate progressive Dems more than they hate MAGA? Because why wouldn't he want two Democrats in there making us a stronger party? I mean, his tweet doesn't hold up because it's not going to be Steyer versus Hilton. It would be Steyer versus Becerra if Steyer got in there because Becerra is clearly going to be the candidate.
6:55But, you know, there was a writer, Kevin Drumm from the Washington Monthly, who years ago wrote about the iron law of institutions, which was that people would rather have the institution fail and not lose their position in it than have the opposite. They lose their position, have the institution succeed. And I think there's a lot of Democrats who feel really threatened by the energy behind the more sort of progressive wing of the Democratic Party. And I think that's a big fear. And I think, you know, Lou doesn't understand that he's telling on himself in that instance. This is not a choice between, you know, Hilton and Steyer.
7:45It's a choice between Becerra and Steyer, if Steyer gets in there. I mean, we see it like, you know, that's the funny thing about what's going on with the Democratic or the conspiracy theories around the mayor race. Because the establishment, which ostensibly would be in charge of, you know, faking the ballots, they want Bass. And Bass has a much better chance against Spencer than she would against a progressive Democrat. Right. And so it's fascinating. But this is something that I feel like I've seen for a long time. And I think we're seeing it a lot with like in the the the Platner race. I think we're seeing it.
8:30I mean, the level of desperation there is is intense. I think there was, you know, this goes back to like the abundance stuff. There was a sense that the establishment and the corporate influence could influence Harris and that they were gearing up for that. They were gearing up from it, like, you know, trying to demonize Lena Kahn. They were trying to undermine some of the more progressive things that the Biden administration did. and when Harris lost, they were not ready for it. And you're seeing, I think, like, you know, progressives don't have the strength, they don't have the money yet that the corporate wing of the party does and frankly, like, the APAC money that filters in through derivatives.
9:24But there's, you know, Chris Robb in Pennsylvania. we have others well they're worried about Syed and they're worried about Plattner because it's in the event that these guys make it to the Senate it's going to be a very different Senate caucus than we've seen in the past without a doubt and I think we're going to see a more progressive Democratic caucus that doesn't necessarily mean that it's like dominated by them it won't be but But it's headed in the right direction from my perspective anyways. I agree. It's like baby steps. But I think at the epicenter of Ted Lieu's tweet where he's cheering for a Republican to win because he wants a Republican versus a Democrat is really telling.
10:10And it reminded me a lot of the mayoral race here. And you had all of these headlines. Everybody's going to leave New York. Crime's going to go. 25%, I think was the prediction. Yeah, 25%. And then so his accomplishments in 2026, major crime is down 8 % citywide. He secured over$1.2 billion in a partnership with Centrist Hochul. So they work together. He secured more than$9 million in restitution for workers and small businesses. He expanded protected time off for 4.3 million workers and filled 100 ,000 potholes in his first 100 days. And here were the headlines before. Let's look at these. electing zoran momdani new york city mayor would spur huge cop exodus rising crime straight out of gotham city zorn momdani's success is a warning escape from new york researcher predicts new york city business exodus exodus of zoran momdani wins well then he does the pied-a-terre tax and he's like oh luxury real estate's gonna take it's up right well and you know um are they scared that once somebody like him shows us 100 you know who didn't leave who promised he would is andrew cuomo he's supposed to be in florida right now i honestly like i don't know like like the idea that this guy's still even in new york state is uh an abomination um but yes they are scared and i think like this is you know and and i think to some extent this is what scares of a platinum with new york and remember they also compared him to span burger right like in virginia like they were trying to make it like both span burger and mom donnie after mom donnie won they were trying to make a comparison there her uh approval rating is in the toilet now and mom donnie's has soared it is increased by i don't know uh 25 since he's not 25 percentage points but maybe 10 15 percentage points but uh since he's gotten an office and there's also like even from an intangible standpoint, he's worked on creating a spirit about the city and about what government can do.
12:23And I think to a large extent, that's very threatening because part of the reason why a corporate wing of the Democratic Party wants to get out there and say, there are certain things you can't do. You just can't do them. Well, I would love to, but we can't do them. And to see Momdani have this success. They said he's never going to get the money for universal child care. They're not going to do anything with the buses. Like you say, people are going to leave, etc., etc. And then their fallback position is like, this is New York. The rest of the country is not like New York. And then you start to see Plattner build a movement up in Maine and really just destroy the establishment candidate.
13:06I mean, regardless of what people say about, like there's no way that Janet Mills is going to win. And we're going to find that out tomorrow, but for sure. But obviously he just destroyed her and he motivated people with a very similar tact, not the exact same policies, but this perspective of like. There's there are people who are responsible for the miseration of the American public, like we are making. the country has huge GDP, somebody is getting that money. And it's increasingly in the hands of a smaller group of people. And I think that is very threatening. And then once it happens in Maine, I think there's even a fear like, what if it happens in Nebraska?
13:51And then, you know, this is something that begins to undermine the narrative that we've been told. Like, you don't understand in new york what people want in the heartland of the country and it's true i mean there are states that there's a lot of conservatism a lot of it is like social conservatism and cultural conservatism and that's what's most important to those people as opposed to sort of like a material benefits but at the end of the day i think they're very threatened by an economic populism they are and every time it succeeds they've got to find something and and now in new York, the complaints against Mamdani have gotten increasingly sort of like narrow and just bizarre.
14:35Yeah. I mean, at one point they were trying to push that he had cursed the Mets. How much do you think the through line with the hysteria over Zoran, the hysteria over Mamdani, the hysteria over Abdul-Isaid has to do with AIPAC and Israel and the optics for somebody like me who grew up in middle America. Muslims, bad terrorists, multiple wives kill white people with impunity. I mean, that's, that's the propaganda. And then you see this Muslim man in New York that has the, you know, the trans flag and he's fighting for workers and never really talks about religion ever where the politicians where i come from are using religion you know to control how much do you think these people bashing that stereotype a senator named abdul al-sayed bashes that stereotype how how scared do you think the propagandists that keep all of that intact the israel dream intact how scary is that for well i think for for like from a zionist perspective it's very scary because um much of what you know having grown up in a jewish family where i don't know that we perceived ourselves as zionists back then it was just you you supported israel and and there was a narrative about arabs and uh uh you know maybe not till after 9 11 from like a muslim perspective and i think like without the ability of demonizing uh um uh arabs or palestinians or whatnot things become a lot harder um and i think you know what has happened over the past couple years we saw it with cory bush we saw jamal bowman um is that the corporate forces found a way to basically launder their money to run against these progressives through DMFI or APAC and then also combined with Democrats who are also Zionists.
16:42And they all sort of found like a common home. Like these are the same people that we're going to go after. So I think a lot of that money has commingled. And yeah, I think there's a tremendous amount of fear that these things are being normalized and and it's harder to otherize people who are of Arab descent or Muslim, and that's a problem. I mean, and it's a problem that is happening at such a rate for them. I mean, it's stunning. The popular opinion has changed both in the Democratic Party for sure, and amongst independents, but even younger people in the Republican Party no longer sort of knee-jerk support Israel.
17:25And I think they're going to get increasingly desperate, frankly. And I don't know how that plays out, but it's scary. Don't you think that desperation is playing out a little bit right now with Netanyahu knowing, OK, we have this idiot in America right now, Trump. We can go all gas, no brakes. This is our moment. This is the time to balkanize Iran. This is the time for the greater Israel project. project. And not only is it Netanyahu, but it's all of these tech oligarchs. Everybody's just sucking out of him and he doesn't give a shit. He's just worried about his vanity projects. Absolutely. I mean, I think that's the dynamic.
18:04I mean, I think Netanyahu knew this was his last bite at the apple. I mean, also for him personally, probably too. I mean, he's in his 80s. And I think Trump allowed him. And I think Trump was, is, you know, either of not sound mind enough or easily convinced, or, I mean, I'm convinced that there's a dollar that he feels like he's going to make from this, or at least initially, I don't know what that was, but that's usually what, and so, yes, I think they're going full force. There's a real quality. and I think amongst the Republican Party in general, and we're seeing it with guys like Russell Vogt and the Heritage Foundation, there's a real quality of like, we're in the getaway car now.
18:53This is it. So polling be damned, trying to trim our sails in some way to try and maintain be damned. We need to get everything we can. And we're seeing that on a daily basis. Supreme Court. Well, the Supreme Court. Shadow docket. The shadow docket. But just the other day, you remember Schedule F from the end of the first Trump administration? And this was a plan. There's about 40 ,000 civil servants in the government. And there was a plan that Russ Vogt and the Heritage Foundation and the whole Project 2025 people had to get rid of the civil service protection. They wanted to do it for 40 ,000.
19:34They've done it now just the other day for 8 ,000 of the top level of civil service. So these jobs are going to be in this. We're talking about this has been in something that's been in effect for 150 some odd years in this country to make sure that we have good government. And Trump is going to replace this with a political patronage system. And he's going to make people take some type of loyalty test and whatnot. And this is, when I came in here, like, how you doing? I'm like, this is the thing that's really keeping me up at night because there's things that a new democratic administration in 2029 can change, right?
20:18And there's stuff that's more obvious and there's policies that you can reverse. But my biggest fear is regardless of who wins that election in 2029, and hopefully it'll be a Democrat, is that there's only so much bandwidth. There's only so much resources an administration has. There's only so many bodies. There's only so much money. And the destruction of our administrative state is so extensive that nobody coming in in their first four years is going to be able to fix everything. I mean, it's going to take two terms, three terms, four terms to fix this stuff. And you don't start in the destruction that's happening today.
21:03You don't see for years. And so five, 10 years from now, as we start to see like the degradation of, of, of sciences, I, I had on the program today, we had Jonathan Cohen, who had written this piece about there has been a incredible discovery or the development of a treatment for pancreatic cancer. One that like caused like all these oncologists in the middle of a presentation to get up and like spontaneously standing ovation. But the mechanisms that led to that, like, you know, it doesn't happen overnight. You're talking about 20, 25 years of government funded research that has led us to this moment.
21:46Well, now that pipeline is done. Like we've destroyed it. We've destroyed the grant making. You've got people, you know, you've got a somewhat of a brain drain. You've got people going into other professions and not pursuing this stuff. stuff, we're not going to feel that as a population for five, 10 years down the road when all of a sudden there's just nothing in the pipeline. None of these things are being built on because we've lost a generation of scientists. And I don't know how many people are going to say like, oh, well, the reason why we haven't had this progress is a function of what happened five, seven years ago.
22:23And this is the case with the EPA, the FDA, with climate change. There's a whole host of the SEC. The next financial crisis we have, if it doesn't happen immediately, the seeds are being planted down the road, whether it's from deregulation and crypto, on and on. And this is the part that really keeps me up at night because this is, we're undermining the structure of things in such a way that even a candidate that we would love, pick your favorite coming in, they're not going to be able to fix all this quickly. And I don't know what kind of patience the American public is going to have for this.
23:08I don't think there's a broad understanding of it. We don't even cover it because there's so many other stories. Like, you know, what would have been a top line story, you know, five years ago is like the 12th story of the day type of thing. It's scary. It's really scary. And it brings, everything always brings me to how the Democrats are messaging. And that's why when I come across Ted Lieu's tweet, I'm like, our number one mission should be anybody who is a Republican we want to defeat, period. We don't care if it's a primary where, you know, like in the ranked primaries like they have in California.
23:45And the patronizing way that corporate Democrats treat the electorate really bothers me. And so here's a video of David Brooks, who was married to a woman for 28 years, and he left his wife to marry a research assistant who was 23 years his junior. And I don't give a shit if he does that. Free country. What else? What I hate are hypocrites. I can't, because I grew up in the Bible Belt, and always the most sanctimonious people are always the biggest fucking hypocrites, 12 times out of 10. So here's David Brooks talking about Graham Plattner. Play the clip. To a public office, a person of basic integrity, and second, do I agree with them?
24:31But if you've gotten rid of the first criteria, then you have weakened your democracy, and Republicans clearly did that with Trump, And now Democrats really, if they side with Plattner, I don't want to hear too much about Trump in the future and his moral degeneracy. Jonathan, to that. Okay. So here's my thing about this. Susan Collins has a record of being a fascist, period. She is. It's no longer fascist collaboration. I called her a fascist the other day, and we have a decades-long record of her rat-fucking women in states where I'm from, in Oklahoma, where she voted to give rapists more rights and more privacy than a rape victim.
25:11She has enriched herself, you know, millions upon millions of dollars. She votes with Trump over 90 something percent of the time. She voted for all of these unqualified dipshits to be in his cabinet that are dismantling all of the stuff that's keeping you up at night. She is a, an absolute fascist. And this guy gets on here and lectures us. And I think it was James Carville who said, look, we got a fucked up candidate, but he's got to win. Right. And that's kind of where I think we are in this fight for democracy. What's your take on all that? Well, David Brooks is a Republican. And nobody's taking him seriously.
25:44And the thing is, he's not had a constituency for years. You know, the New York Times would hire people like David Brooks ostensibly to represent the conservative perspective on things. But he's not a conservative. I mean, he is hated by the conservatives. He is the corporate Democrats' fantasy of what a Republican is, honestly. And part of the problem has been, and it's changing slightly, but we still have some holdouts. Starting in 2016, the Democratic Party had the opportunity to tie Donald Trump to the Republican Party. If you go back in October and September of 2016, they were not attacking Paul Ryan.
26:25they were not forcing paul ryan to say like what is your perspective on this guy they were not saying it to mitch mcconnell you had chuck schumer in fact in october of 2016 was saying like i've got schumer for whatever reason talked about himself in the third person i've got clinton do the impersonation uh well i don't have my right glasses but i've got schumer i've got i've got clinton and i've got paul ryan and we're gonna do a repatriation of uh overseas taxes and we're gonna do an infrastructure bill and they wanted to protect like you know and we've had this over and over again obama biden uh the fever's gonna break the republican party is gonna return to the mean uh nancy pelosi we need a strong republican they rhetorically and and i would argue also even legislatively in some respects protected the republican party instead of tying donald trump to it he was not a republican he was not the republican party he was maga and then he wasn't just maga he was extreme maga like i mean they constantly add these qualifiers to take him away from the republican party in fact you know kamala harris going around the republican party and i represented by uh you know cheney and i we're you know we're the normal people he's this outsider No, he exists today as president because the Republican Party was this party.
27:51They had created a suit and he walked into it. He was exactly what the Republican Party had been building. They incubated him. They incubated him. Well, they were waiting for a guy like him to come along. And the Democratic leadership refused to sort of acknowledge this for years. Now, even Democrats who I don't agree with from an ideological perspective, younger ones of a different or I should say of a different political generation, recognize that you need to be partisan, that the Republican Party, you can't. But we still have a leadership that refuses to take this position. And it gets complicated with a guy like Chuck Schumer, who is, in fact, I think, very much behind a war with Iran.
28:37I think he would argue like maybe Trump has messed it up in some way, but he was very slow to come out. You know, he was complaining about side deals with Iran. A side deal to avoid a war? Like, I mean, this is not the messaging that is helpful. And I think the Democrats are going to underperform. Now, they very well may do, they may take the House. They very well may take the Senate. But I think there's probably a point or two that they're underperforming because they're trying to build a narrative now that these Republicans are supporting Donald Trump, that there is no difference. When you vote for Susan Collins, you're voting for Donald Trump.
29:19And they're behind and they've had 10 years to do this. But our last president was was inviting the Republicans. And when they were talking about the Build Back Better bill, the reason why that thing stalled and ultimately fell apart was because Joe Biden, instead of after the American Rescue Plan passes in February or March of 2021, he puts the brakes on and he says. the Republicans, mind you, at that point, in the wake of the passage of that, you can go back and look at this. You know what they were talking about? They were talking about Dr. Seuss. They were talking about two books that Dr. Seuss were not publishing.
29:57So you have your opponents completely flailing around. Joe Manchin at that time, if you go back to what Joe Manchin was saying in March and April of 2021, he was saying that the Build Back Better bill while bernie was saying it should be six trillion joe manchin was saying it should be nine trillion and instead of like taking this uh momentum joe biden says like i gotta show the american public that we're bipartisan and he invites the republicans in and they dick around for two or three months because they have no interest in doing this i mean come on like like how many times do you have to learn this lesson they have no interest in voting for any of this And then when they don't come up with anything, he allows Portman, no longer an elected Republican, and Sinema, no longer an elected Democrat, come in with their deal.
30:50And meanwhile, just around that time is when Joe Manchin's on tape with his donors finding out like, oh, I shouldn't vote for this. And that's when Joe Manchin becomes a problem there. And that's when the whole thing, and that's when health insurance expires for Americans. Extended unemployment dies for Americans. The earned child income, or I should say the child tax credit, which took 45 % of children out of poverty. We did that in a year. Yeah. We did that. That's when that expires. I mean, all of the benefits that came from the American Rescue Act just vaporize, essentially, because of this notion that the Republican Party is still a legitimate good faith partner in governing.
31:43And it is so clear they are not. It's so clear they are not. And it's so clear that we're talking about Schumer, that he isn't really a good faith actor in our government. And here's what I have to say as a person who lived 51 years in a red state. Republicans love rat fucking Democrats. And when they rat fuck Democrats, everybody gets fucked. And I wish that Democrats would rat fuck Republicans because what that ends up looking like is a lot of the way that Zoran is governing here. You get they will hate it so much. So you get to satisfy that, you know, just fuck you, you fascist pieces of shit.
32:20We're going to govern well. But it actually is trickle down. The only thing that trickles down in Republican policies are lies. They are pathological liars. The branding that they have done marching into red sites saying wealth will trickle down. And, you know, we have to we have no regulations at all. And the you and I talked about this one night at a party in Christmas over Christmas was how the Democrats abandon all of these rural states. So where I live right now in Oklahoma, you have the primaries tomorrow. these republican gubernatorial candidates sam they are out anti-transing each other so bad one of the candidates has a banana on a butcher block and talks about we're gonna get rid of the trans ideology in school like he's castrating the banana and it's it's such a race to the bottom and one of these nuts is going to win but what happens is the electorate gets crazier and more unhinged So this idea that Biden or that Obama has, that we have to work with Republicans, the Republican Party and their media ecosystem is incubating something worse than Trump.
33:31And I know this because I saw the Tea Party become MAGA. And I just know these people, MAGA is now going to become the Groypers or the Tucker Carlson thing. And it's not good. The Mormons are finding out right now just how welcome they are in that tent. Yep. Yeah, I mean, the failure of the 50 state, or I should say to maintain the 50 state strategy, Rahm Emanuel resented it and shut that down when Obama got elected in 08. I mean, it was sort of like you were starting to develop an infrastructure. You're not going to necessarily win, not necessarily, at least in the short term. Maybe long term, you'll hit some places and you'll win.
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34:09You'll also draw resources. I mean, I don't know if Tallarico is going to win, but I do know that the Republicans are going to have to pour a ton of money into that race. Same with Dan Osborne in Nebraska. I don't know. And it's going to pull money from Maine or Maine is going to pull money from other places. I mean, there's it makes a difference. And it also makes a difference just because so many races have become nationalized that it's important to spread your message to these other places. And I think it's been an abject failure of the Democrats from a strategic standpoint to go after, to compete in these states because you don't know.
34:49You don't know who's going to come out of these elections. You don't know if you're going to build one person. You don't know if there is a, you know, a particularly talented politician in one of these states that could become national. I mean, you know, here's one of the things about Plattner that I'm excited about. He's going around the state. he's been around the state at least once the places like where no candidates have gone in a long time means a small state i mean it's physically big but it's but it's you know not many people people know each other but he's getting people involved and the value of that is not just like whether he can win in the fall i think that's going to help him and hopefully he can but again colin you know collins is like she's survived a lot of these things but um if he does win not only is he built an infrastructure to support him from a legislative perspective going forward.
35:44But Angus King is 81, 82 years old. I don't know if he's up for reelection now. I can't remember in 28 or 30. But the fact is, is that that infrastructure that Plattner is going to build gives us a much better shot than just how flawed Mills was as a candidate. She's one term. First of all, that would have hurt the Democratic Party because then they get a restart again, right? A typical Maynard would be like, wait a second, we're trading the seniority of one 80-year-old in Collins for an 80-year-old who's not going to have the seniority and then he's going to go and we have to start the clock again.
36:27But if Plattner builds this infrastructure and can win, that's an infrastructure that is going to get us a much better candidate when Angus King goes. And, you know, he's 81 to 82. I don't. And I would argue, because I see the rot at what happens in a red state where Republicans are the only operating party and all of the electorate is pathologically lied to and propagandized to, and they end up, you know, they're capitalists with no capital that go and vote for Elon Musk and all these people have all these tax breaks. It makes for a better electorate. Texas keeps trending and trending and trending and it's helping people realize what the fundamental problems with unregulated capitalism and uh the fundamental problems in the united states what they are because in oklahoma when you just hear these two nut job radical i'm talking everything that everybody thinks a muslim is those people exist and they're christians and they are in the bible belt.
37:30It is the scariest shit ever. And it keeps a healthier electorate for the electorate to hear two different sides of what's going on. If it's only Republican politics, these people get incubated and so mad and so crazed. Oklahoma, in the early 2000s, we had a Democratic governor, Brad Henry. We were ranked 17th-ish in education. Since then, we've had Republican super majorities, state House, State Senate, Supreme Court, and governorship. We went through Mary Fallon and now Kevin Stitt. We are ranked 50th in education. And there's nobody there. There's no infrastructure there to remind people of this and point it out.
38:11Exactly. I mean, you know, had we kept that 50 state strategy in the aughts, I think about Kansas, when Sam Brownback came in and brought in Arthur Laffer of the Laffer curve and they did their big experiment. They got rid of the regulations. They got rid of, of, of income taxes. They let the S corpse essentially run wild there. And it took about, I think it was two or three years. They, they had full control of everything. They imposed the, you know, the Laffer curve and the whole theory that like, you know, without, if you're not taxing, then you're going to get more revenue. Well, it turns out if you don't tax, you don't get more revenue.
38:54They start cutting the education system in Kansas, including the higher education, which was like the jewel of Kansas. And there's no Democratic Party. The Republicans voted to increase taxes because they were in such dire straits. And you don't have a Democratic Party there that's functioning in a way that can articulate this to people in real time, in local media markets. It makes people sick. It makes for a sick electorate. They took brown back in the first uh trump administration and they literally made him ambassador to faith because they wanted to get rid of this guy so quickly like shot him into the ether because this was a perfect example of like you got everything you wanted yeah you followed the the laffer curve which is like their bible right yeah the less we tax the more people are going to make money it's going to trickle down this is where trickle down uh uh or voodoo economics came from as george uh herbert walker had said to to ronald reagan and we had the perfect like from from the perspective of of democrats who who believe that we should have taxes both to fund government which you definitely need on a state level but also to maintain um some type of not total uh wealth equality but the inequality we have now is just absolutely insane and that opportunity was completely missed you never hear any reference to kansas and it was a perfect example i mean arkansas when they did the um when they did in georgia also when they did the uh um the means testing or the uh you need to work if you're on medicaid complete failures yeah complete failures but there's nobody there locally there's not enough infrastructure there locally to communicate this and that's the thing my husband always says because people in oklahoma are like you know, Oklahoma is just in such a bad place, blah, blah, blah.
40:51And he always says, if there were a Democrat here to say, if you're upset with the way things are being run, it is a Republican's fault. They control everything and they have for over 20 years. This is what Republican policies look like. You have it live and in real time. Okay, I want to play one final video for you. This is Tom Homan fuming to Lara Trump. Play the clip. When you keep using those, you know, the Nazis, secret police, racist, that instills violence. That's why death threats against ICE officers are up 8 ,000 percent. When a U.S. senator or a congressman or a governor or a mayor can come out and call us the Nazis, racist, secret police, that encourages these protests that turn violent.
41:40And that small percentage of people. I mean, what do you call a police force that they're all in masks? They're all in masks. Yeah. And they can kill people and there's no investigation. They get just relocated to another place. I mean, the idea that complaints are up or that threats are up against them, and God knows how they're calculating that. But here's what strikes me as incredible. They're going after the worst of the worst, right? They're going after Trendaga or, you know, gangland. If there had been an ICE agent shot in a shootout with one of these really dangerous immigrants, do you think we would have heard about it?
42:35I mean, honestly, I mean, this person would be, you know, running for whatever for governor of whatever state. I mean, they are going after mothers, grandmothers, fathers, children. They're going after people with paperwork issues and not criminals. Oh, 100%. Right. 100%. And, you know, look, the Biden administration, the Obama administration, the Obama administration went hog wild with it, went after, you know, immigrants with criminal records. um this this stuff when homan does that this is just he's just talking to the base i mean that's that's the only thing that like you know gives me some encouragement whether it's like the people going after mom donnie at this point um they're just talking to an increasingly smaller king now granted it's making them more rabid it is and making them more intense but uh it's an increasingly smaller group of people and they're not even trying to extend their message and the and the and the trouble they have and you know this maybe this is hopeful thinking my part is that the more they talk to those people the crazier they sound to other people i don't know if you remember when michelle bachman did yes sponsor the state of the union it was a fascinating thing and i call this the the bachman after that that speech she gave she was doing cnn had their camera in and there was a closed circuit camera for the tea party.
44:09And so she's, this is the CNN camera, but she's talking to the tea party camera. So the CNN camera is looking at her and she's talking like this. And it looks like you're just seeing that going like, wait, who is she talking to? And it just seems like you, and the point is like increasingly you can't talk to those people simultaneously. Yeah. Because you, if you're talking to normal people on that camera, the, the MAGA people or the Republican party says like, what, that's crazy. But if you're talking to the Republican people, the majority of the country go, that's crazy. And so they are talking to a smaller, increasingly smaller group of people.
44:56And, um, it's scary because, you know, I don't know what Trump is going to do. I mean, if the Democrats are able to take both houses of Congress, at least there's going to be some, you know, leverage there. Uh, less so if they just take the house, but, um, it's going to get a lot uglier. It's going to get uglier. And he's already completely rat fucked, uh, JD Vance. I mean, he has completely rat fucked him. He sent him to to Pakistan. He sent him to an Erica Kirk thing. He sent him to a campaign with Victor Orban. He made him the fraud czar. He said he could, well, if JD does a good enough job with, as the fraud czar, he'll clean up the national deficit.
45:40It's such intentional rat fucking, and I love it. But I'm on a Marco Rubio rat fuck watch because right now they need Marco because Marco is the only one that actually knows how to govern, that has an idea because the rest of them are such dipshits but trump doesn't have the decency to be like all right marco you take on the maga movement he doesn't have that in him he's a petty old queen so i'm on this marco rubio ratfuck watch because i think it's coming because he doesn't want to think about anybody being the heir apparent and now marco rubio's like uh going up in the markets the bed at calci or whatever all that is and as soon as that gets on trump's feed the ratfucking of marco is going to happen and i cannot wait.
46:23And the only thing I can imagine is that Susie Wiles is saying that Marco can help with the Senate in a way that Vance can't. And if the Senate is, you know, 51, 49 after this election, I mean, if the Democrats take control, then Marco is useless. Yeah. Right. I mean, he's just useless. But if it's very tight, then Marco probably has some utility to Trump. Trump. So we'll see. But I think, yeah, he just gets like, he wants to see which one is going to be more sycophantic to him. And I think on some level also Trump is in the realm like, I'm not going to run again. I don't need Peter Thiel's money.
47:05I don't need this money. All I need is I need to like have my beak wet by whatever is going on at any give a point. He's just like, they're just like literally in the getaway car and just grabbing as much cash as they can. And that's it. So my grandmother, before she died, she was in a nursing home and I'd go see her and she'd go, Hey, Jennifer, come here, darling. I got this wheelchair from the lady across the hall. Make sure you take it right out to your car, honey. You can have it. And then she had stolen some other people's clothes. And there was all this, all this drama at the nursing home going on where they were gossiping about each other, stealing shit from each other stealing welchers and always just take it up to the nurse's station but that's what i imagine trump is doing right now except for it's our federal government yeah and we have these impotent losers degenerates republicans and that's why it makes me so insane when i hear like obama recently said i want a strong republican party and i'm like my god we have that's the point is that they should be blamed for every single thing it doesn't like you You know, it's fine to blame Donald Trump.
48:15He's despicable. But in terms of like any type of like political salience and balance going forward, you need to blame every Republican for every horrible thing that Donald Trump does because they're enabling it. Totally. They could have hearings tomorrow on all the pardons. They could have hearings tomorrow on the slush fund. They could have hearings tomorrow on the idea that he's got a free pass from the IRS. They could have hearings on all of the millions of dollars from the detention centers. They could have hearings on every single thing. Every time we don't, it should be the Democrats saying, they're standing in the way of this.
49:02Well, they're the pro-crime party, pro-corruption party over and over again. It's not that Trump owns the Republican Party. The Republicans own Trump. That's the dynamic that has to happen. Like Republicans own Trump. And you've got to every day remind people that Donald Trump would not be able to do anything. He wouldn't be able to tweet. He wouldn't be able to build whatever he's going to build or whatever it is that you find obnoxious or disgusting about Donald Trump. He's able to do that because the Republicans are okay with it. And you put them on the spot. You make them deal with it. And part of the problem is this notion of the Senate collegiality and John Thune really wants to do the right thing.
49:47No, he doesn't. No, he doesn't. Donald Trump is because of John Thune. I agree. That should be what is articulated by Democratic leaders at this point. And we don't hear it. We don't hear it. No, and we need to. Sam Cedar, thank you. I hope that you as always this is so it's the best watch the majority report every day with Sam and my friend Emma And it was so great to have you in person. Thank you. It's great. I love the news hat. Thank you
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