In short
The episode argues that Democratic centrist messaging and pro-Israel/AIPAC influence are driving propaganda and bigotry, and that NYC voters “spoke” by electing Zohran Mamdani, a Muslim candidate, despite right-wing attacks. It claims empathy and grassroots politics are missing from the Democratic Party and that politicians cherry-pick which human-rights issues to condemn.
Guest backgrounds
No guests are identified; the host speaks throughout and references public figures (Zohran Mamdani, AOC, Hakeem Jeffries, Tucker, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Laura Loomer).
Key claims
Mamdani’s win in districts Trump won shows populist appeal; right-wing figures lack empathy; AIPAC “thought police” and fear of being labeled anti-Semitic blocks criticism of Netanyahu and Gaza; Democrats should oppose both anti-Semitism and Islamophobia; Israel-first litmus tests harm Democratic electoral chances.
Notable examples
Laura Loomer’s “nepo baby” Chelsea condo attack; Mamdani’s debate answer to stay in NYC; Hakeem Jeffries’ “Globalizing the Antifada” remark; claims about Gaza bombing of hospitals/schools; evangelical racism story from a basketball team.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOAmerican Politics and Populism
1:12 to 4:15
Exploration of the current political climate and the need for a populist message.
“All right, we're in a situation in American politics right now where I think everyone is sick to death of propaganda.”
Empathy and Wealth
4:24 to 5:24
Discussion on empathy, wealth, and the moral obligations of those who are financially stable.
“They assume we're getting paid by the DNC or we're getting paid by George Soros.”
Racism and Evangelicalism
5:26 to 8:02
Insights into racism within evangelical communities and personal experiences with bigotry.
“I completely agree because every evangelical I've ever met lacks empathy entirely.”
Zoran Mamdani and Political Dynamics
8:03 to 10:33
Analysis of Zoran Mamdani's mayoral campaign and the implications of AIPAC influence.
“Well, I think what they were talking about right here is the Israel issue and the litmus test that AIPAC and that trickles down from the immoral Israeli government, specifically to the Democratic Party.”
The Future of Democratic Policies
10:34 to 14:01
Critique of Democratic policies and a call for a shift towards economic populism.
“And even when you see the right calling that out, this Israel first policy that so many American politicians are beholden to, that's what I'm trying to get to with this larger narrative that the Democrats have room here.”
The Complexity of Israel and Gaza
14:01 to 18:11
Exploration of the complexities surrounding the Israel-Palestine conflict and the need for nuanced perspectives.
“You can either be a part of the problem or a part of the solution.”
The Complexity of Israel and Gaza
18:15 to 18:44
Exploration of the complexities surrounding the Israel-Palestine conflict and the need for nuanced perspectives.
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The Complexity of Israel and Gaza
19:25 to 19:43
Exploration of the complexities surrounding the Israel-Palestine conflict and the need for nuanced perspectives.
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Transcript
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1:12All right, we're in a situation in American politics right now where I think everyone is sick to death of propaganda. They have had it up to their eyeballs. And I always lean to look at this New York City mayoral race because I think it's really fascinating what happened. Zoran Mamdani won a lot of districts that Trump won. And that's a really interesting point of reference. The same thing happened with AOC. She won districts that also Trump won. And we all need to pay attention to this because the Democratic Party is stubborn and wants to stay on the centrist message. The last two elections that we stayed on the centrist message, Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris, we got our ass beat by a man that speaks like a second grader that can't blend his makeup, that's a convicted felon, cheats on his wife.
2:11I can go on and on and on about how incompetent he is. And when Democrats take this populist message to the people, people come out in droves for it because that's the problem in America, wealth inequality. It is not sustainable and very untenable, the system the way it is. And everybody's noticing this. People on the left, people on the right are noticing that if the Democrats actually grow a pair and get rid of APAC donations, get rid of being beholden to corporations and lean into grassroots money, they not only win, they win resoundingly, resoundingly. And Laura Loomer, Trump's number one top advisor, which I could do a whole nother podcast on that entirely.
2:57She's noticed this and I want to put up this tweet and then I want to talk about what she says. She says to Zoran Mamdani, your mom lets you stay in her$2 million condo in Chelsea. Why are you pandering? You are rich. You are a Nepo baby. This is something that I think is really interesting is people on the right, empathy is so foreign to them that they assume that if you have money or access to money or comfortable or even rich, why on earth wouldn't you fight for your own needs? And Lori Loomer just showed right there how morally depraved she is by saying, if you have money, you have to be a piece of shit.
3:41What other option do you have? What Laura Loomer misses is that a lot of people are financially stable, but feel a moral calling to fight for the marginalized. They feel that none of us are free until all of us are free. They see that, like, for example, I come in, I have two careers. I do this podcast, I do interior design and I do really well for myself. But I don't think I work any harder than an Amazon driver or than a 7-Eleven clerk or than a waitress that has two kids. I don't think I work any harder than that person. And the moral superiority that the right feels over people because they have money is so disgusting.
4:23And I've had a lot of people in the comment section to us, They assume we're getting paid by the DNC or we're getting paid by George Soros. No, we're just not assholes. That's what it is. And they try to demonize. They're going after AOC right now saying that, oh, she grew up rich and she's lying about her past, which none of that is true. But they cannot fundamentally understand that if you have means and you have a financial cushion, that you wouldn't just fight for you only in solitaire to have more money yourself. They can't understand empathy at all. Well, I think a lot of that from my personal experience that comes from being a Christian, where it is individual relationship with God.
5:06You are better if you are a Christian than somebody else. So why would you have a moral compass that guides you to help humanity when they are different than you? Because you are superior and you can sit in judgment of them. So the empathy problem and the evangelical movement, in my mind, are super intertwined. I completely agree because every evangelical I've ever met lacks empathy entirely. I mean, I tell this story a lot, but my son was on a basketball team. The majority of the kids were black. There were three white kids, my son and then two others. The other two white families sent their kids to a private Christian hate academy.
5:46me. And both parents moved very rapidly to get their kids off the team after about 10 games. And they said they didn't want to feel like they had to pay for black kids. They said that to my face. And I thought, I'm the atheist on this team. And y 'all are the big Christians. You even spend $20 ,000 a year to send your kid to a private Christian school. That's how important your faith is to you. And in this moment, you're just an abject racist. Are you kidding me? So living in the Bible Belt, I have seen that evangelical Christians in particular, and this doesn't extend to black Christians because they had to lean into more the MLK human rights, but the white evangelical Christian movement is just, I mean, it lacks morals entirely.
6:38And being around these people. I literally had a physical reaction. Like I don't want to be in a room with people that treat other human beings this disgustingly because of the color of their skin. Little black basketball players. I mean like how depraved are these people? All right. Next up we have Tucker and Marjorie Taylor Greene commenting on Zoran Mamdani. I was the only person in the New York City mayor's debate to say he wanted to focus on New York City. They were all the candidates were asked, if you could visit a foreign country, what would it be? And they all, of course, all had an answer.
7:16I think most said Israel, great. And he said, I wouldn't go anywhere. I'd stay in New York. And like, if I want to meet Jewish constituents, I go to their synagogues, their homes or whatever, but I'd be here in New York because that's what I'm doing. I'm running New York. That's my job. Well, he gave the right answer. I gave the right answer. He gave the right answer, at least. Wow, those two together, it's pretty gross. But, you know, the thing about it is it kind of pickies back on all of this thing. Number one, they can't understand empathy. And number two, they cannot understand why people of New York City would vote for a brown man.
7:51He is not a Christian. He is a brown Muslim. And they don't understand why anybody that's white with money would vote for him. And I find it disgusting. Well, I think what they were talking about right here is the Israel issue and the litmus test that AIPAC and that trickles down from the immoral Israeli government, specifically to the Democratic Party. And in that debate on stage, the interviewer in the mayoral Democratic primary debate asked each candidate, where would you go immediately after you win? And it was Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, because they're all going to be beholden to AIPAC money.
8:33And Ma 'am Donnie said, I would stay in New York and I would meet Jewish New Yorkers in their synagogues and their places of worship on the subway platform, wherever they want to meet to help tackle anti-Semitism. He understands that anti-Semitism is a huge problem. And this litmus test that is going through all American politicians to put Israel first and then everything trickle down is something that's being exposed on both sides. Now, did Tucker and Marjorie Taylor Greene, are they anti-Semitic? Probably for sure. But the difference is, Zoran Mamdani is interesting to me because when you have a Democrat that says, I stand for all of these issues, but I have to put Israel first and I won't let anybody criticize the war crimes of Benjamin Netanyahu, that isn't freedom.
9:25That isn't protecting all marginalized groups. And in my opinion, is basically saying, especially to Jews, that if you speak out against this government, you're not Jewish enough. It's depriving them of their autonomy of thought. And AIPAC is fundamentally this thought police, and they hold everybody hostage to where if you speak out against the provocations and the war crimes that Israel is conducting right now, you live in fear that you're going to be called an anti-Semite. And what pisses me off right now about the Democratic Party is he has fallen prey to massive Islamophobic attacks. And they should all be standing up in unison, calling it out just like they do anti-Semitism, but they don't because they're beholden to AIPAC.
10:16And AIPAC perpetuates the wishes of a corrupt and immoral government that is bombing the shit out of Gaza, bombs hospitals, schools, kids. And then if you criticize them, you live under this fear that you're going to be called some anti-Semite. And it's utter bullshit. And even when you see the right calling that out, this Israel first policy that so many American politicians are beholden to, that's what I'm trying to get to with this larger narrative that the Democrats have room here. They have room here to get a massive blue tsunami. When you see the people on the right criticizing what is beholdening and shackling some Democratic politicians that prevented us from getting victory, for preventing us from breaking free of all of this propaganda, there's movement here for the Democratic Party to come in and capture a huge economic populist message.
11:21And I want to remind everybody, the most famous Democratic president we ever had was FDR. And he was an economic populist. He was so popular. That's why we have the amendment that limits it to two terms, because these policies, the economy thrives, the people thrive, everybody's happier and healthier. And here we have next up, Hakeem Jeffries on Zoran Mamdani. Globalizing the Antifada, by way of example, is not an acceptable phrase. And he's going to have to clarify his position on that as he moves forward. With respect to the Jewish communities that I represent, I think our nominee is going to have to convince folks that he is prepared to aggressively address the rise in anti-Semitism in the city of New York, which has been an unacceptable development.
12:11Okay. First of all, he has addressed the rise of anti-Semitism, and it's not performative. It's very, very real. And he understands that it's real. And he has the endorsement of other Jewish politicians that aren't propagandized by a corrupt Israeli government, Hakeem. But secondly, this was your moment, Hakeem, to also stand up against Islamophobia. Because here's the thing about human rights, you guys, you don't get to cherry pick. If you're against anti-Semitism, then you have to be against Islamophobia, homophobia, racism, and down the line, also class warfare, this war, this bigotry towards poor people is just abhorrent, which disproportionately helps people, hurts people with the color of Hakeem Jeffries' skin.
12:57And so this kind of cherry picking because of who donates to Hakeem Jeffries, AIPAC, AIPAC donates to Hakeem Jeffries. How on earth right now is the government of Israel helping calm and quell anti-Semitism. How? How are they doing it? They're not. They lie and they propagandize and they say, we get to do all this stuff with impunity. And then if you criticize us or you do anything wrong towards us or you speak out against us, then we're going to call you an anti-Semite. The people who preach against anti-Semitism should be joining Zoran Mondami and standing up against the Islamophobic attacks on him.
13:36He has not said anything disparaging about Jewish people. He stands with them in solidarity. And this type of crap is so disgusting to me. And it is a cancer within the Democratic Party. And I'm just going to tell you guys something. We lost these last two elections to an idiot because of these centrist policies and your being beholden to special interests. And by God, it's not going to happen again. You can either be a part of the problem or a part of the solution. But if you want to try to box us in when we can clearly see with our eyes and clearly hear with our ears exactly what's happening with Israel and Gaza and try to propagandize another way, we're not dumb like MAGA.
14:18We're not fucking stupid. Your base is smarter and y 'all are going to have to adapt or get the fuck out. I just cannot stand this. I completely agree with you. And I do think they're missing an opportunity. They're missing so many opportunities. and to assume that you have to be Jewish to be able to see the attacks on anti-Semite. Like, I see the anti-Semitism. I can help. I can be an ally for that. These people, everybody needs to work together, just like you said. And just because he might be Muslim does not mean he cannot understand the Jewish plight, because he has the same thing on the other side in the Islamophobia.
15:00Why don't they call out the anti-Semitism in MAGA? Exactly. You know what I'm saying? Like, if you're truly against anti-Semitism, then call out the anti-Semitism in MAGA. Call it out. It is utterly insane that the burden falls on Democrats, especially like college students that see egregious human rights violations. And historically, college students have always mobilized against war and human rights violations and say that, oh, that's the anti-Semites. Meanwhile, you've got a billionaire that wasn't even born in this country doing Nazi salutes, high as a kite on ketamine. You've got Nazi flags.
15:43You've got Trump pardoning somebody that wears a T-shirt that says Camp Auschwitz. They never call out that. Do not be fooled into this narrative. It doesn't help the Jewish cause. it doesn't stamp out anti-Semitism. You can't stamp out one form of bigotry while enabling another, like Islamophobia. All of those bigotries live together in the same space. So we need to be really, really cautious and look to these democratic leaders that are not defending him. You don't have to agree with all of his policies, but he's fallen prey to just horrific, horrific amounts of Islamophobia. I completely agree.
16:24And the thing about it is, why can we not do two things at once, walk and chew gum? We can protect everybody's right without being super pro-Israel. Like Israel is different than Jewish people, particularly Jewish Americans. And just because they have a government that's going after innocent civilians does not mean we have to support them and can't support the Jewish people. I don't understand it. It would be, it's the same equivalent of, I don't want people judging you and me based on what Donald Trump does. Our government is nuts. They're completely psychotic and nuts. They're lawless. It's a crime syndicate, but that doesn't represent me.
17:08And the same thing with so many Jewish people, Jewish New Yorkers, Jewish Americans, Jewish people that might happen to live in Israel. A lot of people are free thinkers and have autonomy of mind, and they disagree with everything that Benjamin Netanyahu is doing. But this is a time in American politics where it's time to just cut through the bullshit, cut through the propaganda, and cut through all of these politicians that are so beholden to Israel. We're supposed to be the good guys. And to seeing what this man is doing to Gaza and the fact that he got warning about the attack beforehand and just wants to cling on to power, I'm sorry, I'm not down with that.
17:50And I'm not down with anti-Semitism and I'm not down with Islamophobia. And they don't get to define what we can critique and what we can't critique. APAC doesn't get to define that. We do. We are the free thinkers, and so are many Jews, so are many Muslims. All right, I know that's a lot, but I think it's a very, very important subject. That's all we have for today. We'll see you all later.
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